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#1: Apr 24th 2020 at 1:43:05 AM

The trope is that for every male character, there is a (usually unofficial) female version. But to show this trope, we should really depict both the male and the female character. Currently, the pic shows only the female, with the caption explaining how she's an example.

Or if people prefer an in-work example (instead of fan art), this page or a crop thereof would work well compared with its main cast.

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#2: Apr 24th 2020 at 5:01:07 PM

Opened...not really feeling the suggestion, and I think (could be wrong) that Mario is one of those characters that we consider culturally ubiquitous. I get the trope immediately from the current, so I'm calling this a Keep Until Better Image Suggested case.

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#3: Apr 24th 2020 at 5:46:31 PM

I think so too but I don’t think it would hurt to pair her with Mario.

This is technically a Gender-Bent Alternate Universe, but Adventure Time has a rather pleasant example (on mobile so cant search for higher quality version, but there should be ones.

rachiebird Since: May, 2014
#4: Apr 24th 2020 at 10:17:38 PM

I'd like to find a different image regardless, since we don't have permission to use the one currently on the page. That said, I wouldn't mind just swapping with a different fanart of Mario (or another character) that we did have permission for.

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#5: Apr 25th 2020 at 12:17:41 AM

I'm fine with Mario/Maria, but we should put pictures of the two characters next to each other. My problem with the Adventure Time suggestion is that this trope is specifically about adaptations / fan works, so characters from the same work doesn't work.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#6: Apr 25th 2020 at 3:04:46 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mario_and_maria_39.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mario_and_maria_6.png

Edited by eroock on Apr 25th 2020 at 3:13:02 AM

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#7: Apr 25th 2020 at 3:33:22 AM

[up][tup] either one, barring permission problems.

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#8: Apr 25th 2020 at 5:38:54 AM

I agree that Mario is culturally ubiquitous enough that we don't need to show him. The image should be fanart since this trope is about fan works.

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#9: Apr 25th 2020 at 12:13:07 PM

I mean IIRC the gender-bent Adventure Time characters were originally fanart by someone on the show's crew before they were used in canon, but technicalities and all that.

Is the person who drew Maria even still active online?

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rachiebird Since: May, 2014
#10: Apr 25th 2020 at 1:58:14 PM

It looks like the artist is active. But I think finding another art is still probably our best/easiest option, considering the sheer quantity of Rule 63 fanart that exists - there's plenty that wouldn't require us to go through a language barrier to ask permission.

Also, I think it's worth mentioning that the first two sections on the page are 100% devoted to canon examples of this trope. And... the canon examples are also mixed into the other sections as well, for some reason.

Edited by rachiebird on Apr 25th 2020 at 1:58:33 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#11: Apr 25th 2020 at 2:01:58 PM

[up]I actually think this and Gender Flip need a cleanup. They predate 'canon' examples like Gender-Bent Alternate Universe.

rachiebird Since: May, 2014
#12: Apr 25th 2020 at 2:17:38 PM

I agree. There are also a lot of dead links too, alongside just the general messiness from examples that were written before we standardized what they should look like.

Though I think some of the "canon" examples might still fit better on this page - like there's a bunch that are just "a fan asked the artist what the character would look like as a girl, so the artist did a quick sketch."

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#14: May 14th 2020 at 9:18:52 AM

Stopped the clock and hooked a crowner.

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#15: May 17th 2020 at 4:04:16 PM

Votes bump; two in the green, one in consensus range.

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#16: May 21st 2020 at 5:07:50 AM

Calling for 6.1; it's swapped in and tagged. Not sure that the old caption fits anymore; thoughts?

Old pic:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/super_maria_8548.jpg
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#17: May 23rd 2020 at 7:32:03 PM

No caption discussion for a couple of days; locking up.

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