Captain Marvel - Spoilers

They are doing "super elastic" pretty well with Rita Farr on Doom Patrol (2019), though.

Edited by alliterator on May 13th 2019 at 9:32:15 AM

Isn't Rita's TV power just being ooze?

In the comics, she has the exact same powers as Kamala (including the growing/shrinking), while in the show, it's slightly more complicated (her skin/muscles/organs are so pliable that if she doesn't concentrate, they will basically melt into a big pile of goop, but if she does concentrate, she can use them as elastic powers - see: stretching her arm to stop Kipling).

Making Kamala a half skrull is actually a really neat idea. It immediately ties her to Carol's story in the MCU and would handily explain her powers.

Plus you have the half kree captain and half skrull ms. working together as some sort of galactic irony.

So, what villains do you use for future Captain Marvel films?

Yes, I know I'm obsessed with villain. It's just always the first thing that'll come to my mind when thinking about superhero sequels.

Nah, in this context it's a valid question. I mean, that is usually the first question that comes into mind for a sequel, since the villain tends to be the newest stuff in it.

Personally I don't know, but my bet would be on an alien villain; Captain Marvel being off-world seems like it'll be the usual excuse to keep her from interfering with other heroes after all. However, having not read that much of the space stuff in Marvel, I'm not sure which options they have; the Krees and Skrulls have already been used (though they could use them again), so have Ego the Living Planet and Thanos, Galactus is too big, Anihilus would be best saved for Fantastic Four... I guess maybe the Sh'iar or the Brood? Or Micheal Korvac? Based on what I saw in EMH, Korvac seems like the kind of guy who could give Carol a run for her money.

They could also use Marcus as a Take That! to that infamous storyline, but I think most fans prefer to just pretend that character never existed...

Edited by Theokal3 on May 13th 2019 at 12:38:18 PM

In the comics at least, the Brood were major antagonists in Carol's storyline. So there'd be precedent to making them the movie villains.

Doesn't Disney own the Alien franchise now? Just forget the serial numbers and pit her against actual xenomorphs.

I kind of assumed that Carol would fight the tyrants and war mongers of the Galaxy. And for peace and the innocent victims of war and ruthless expansion….

I do expect that she fights the supreme intelligence and the Kree again next movie. Though that will most likely require to have he movie set in the past AGAIN.

Btw, how powerful is Kang?

Edited by Swanpride on May 13th 2019 at 10:02:40 AM

Think Doctor Doom with Time Travel and a warmongering streak and you're in the ballpark.

Edited by M84 on May 14th 2019 at 1:14:11 AM

I had a few ideas for villains/plots of Captain Marvel 2 so far.

• My favorite one involves either MODOK / AIM or the Kree as Big Bad, but Moonstone as The Heavy that eventually turns Dragon Ascendant. The plot basically involves one of the prior two trying to recreate the accident that gave Carol her powers, experimenting on humans and such, eventually resulting in Moonstone - who decides she doesn't need her benefactors and goes rogue.
• Speaking of going Rogue, my second favorite involves Mystique and Rogue: basically, I see Mystique as being an Abusive Parent that uses Rogue as a tool and a weapon, and has some plan which involves stealing Carol's power for nefarious ends. Rogue would be justifiably unstable but sympathetic, and power stealing would be temporary but difficult to get around (essentially being the Parasite to Carol's Superman), and it would eventually end with Carol beating Mystique by talking Rogue away from the edge and convincing her to take control of her life / turn against Mystique (keeping up the themes of the series).
• Third, agreeing with the idea of Kang. He's basically what the Kree could offer as villains - sci-fi warships, pew pew guns, supertech and an imperious, dogmatic attitude - but better and more interesting in every conceivable way.

I like the first two idea more, tough, because I both like the idea of that sheer HSQ moment, where we go "hooooly shit there's someone with Carol's power and none of her morals!", and also because I like the theme of Carol dealing with villains who are trying to control and diminish others the way people tried to control and diminish her.

Moonstone works because it would be someone who looks like they were in the same position as her, but has the opposite temperament and actually indulges in the same negative behavior as the ones who created her. Rogue would work because of the whole mentor angle: she'd be a kid/teen that's suffering from being treated like an item, and there'd be just as much drama in Carol trying to connect with her as in defeating her.

Also, both would foil very well with Monica Rambeau and/or Kamala Khan conceptually (at least in relation to Carol).

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 13th 2019 at 10:43:04 AM

I think I'm personally just a little bit tired of villains who are basically just an evil version of the hero.

Iron Monger, Whiplash, Abomination, Yellow Jacket, Ego (granted, that's more the inverse. The hero gains the same powers as the villain, not vice versa), Killmonger, Baron Mordo, Kaecilius, Red Skull, Jessica's mom in Season 2 of Jessica Jones. Outside of Marvel there's the villain of Aquaman, Reverse Flash, Dr Sivana.

I'm not saying they can't be good or done well. Many of those examples were. I'm just a bit tired of the villain not having their own unique gimmick that makes them dangerous.

Orms not King Arthur expy!

He certainly tried though.

In fine with evil Knockoff as long as you do something with it, for starters not making everything Grey and/or Silver which a lot of these kinds of villains also do.

Not too keen on having the X-men in the mix too early.

I think what I dislike about the "evil knockoff" trope is that sometimes there's this kinda implication that the hero is so overpowered that rote copying them and their abilities is the only way a villain can stand any kind of chance. Flash especially felt like this. How do you fight someone as brokenly fast as Flash? Have someone as fast as him.

Yeah, plus, the fights are more interesting if the participants have different abilities.

It's a little tricky with Captain Marvel, because for once the character with the best claim to being her archenemy (at least, the one who didn't get blown up in the first movie) is legit an Evil Knockoff with most of the same powers.

It's not like Captain America, Ant-Man or Black Panther where their big enemies aren't originally knockoffs but were chosen to be adapted that way because of complacent writing. Accurately adapting Carol's most popular (remaining) enemy kind of requires it. Several of her big villains are that way, tbh. That's why imo balancing any of them with another, less action but more cerebral villain is such a good idea.

That said, they could always bring Minn-Erva back, since we Never Found the Body, and instead of doing Moonstone have her mutate herself into this.◊ If they do the "someone is trying to recreate Carol's powers in humans," she would be a good Big Bad figure if they don't do MODOK, or even alongside him, and the end result could be her wanting to enhance herself. But they could also simply do that with Moonstone as well.

And at the same time, I want to see Moonstone. I want to see Mystique and powered Rogue. I don't want us to not see good characters and plots just because of what other, less creative writers have used as a trend.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 14th 2019 at 12:38:37 PM

It's a tossup as to whether Danvers' Arch-Enemy is Moonstone or Mystique.

Oh shit if they bring in Moonstone that’s a rep for Dark Avengers.

I know action isn't everything, but these movies will ALWAYS be written with action in them, so I can't ignore that side of the film.

Any villain that just straight up has the same powers as the hero in the big fight scene might just drive me crazy if I have to watch it again. XD I feel like for the sake of adaptation you should be able to do SOMETHING to differentiate them. Have the powers manifest in slightly different ways. Something.

I'd expect a Thunderbolts adaptation first.

We're probably not going to get both the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts, and if I had a choice between them I'd prefer the Thunderbolts.

Composite Adaptations is a possibility.

After all both comics have a similar thing going on though of course they are both different.

Unfortunately, I doubt it'd work as well as it did in the comics.

Part of what made the comics reveal so good was that the Thunderbolts' true identities were already well-established villains, being the next incarnation of the Masters of Evil. There's no equivalent to them in the MCU.

Not everyone on the team needs to be instantly recognizable for that effect to work: I'd argue you only need to have a couple. And since the MCU isn't killing off villains quite so much these days, they've got options even if they don't resort to Back from the Dead.

In fact, imo the best way to do a Thunderbolts movie would be to have the protag be the principal "turns good" member of the group (so Songbird) and have that character be a newcomer to The 'Verse rather than an existing character.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 14th 2019 at 12:51:04 PM