Duplicate Trope: Im Having Soul Pains

Why does Grandfather Clause make your opinion different? Would showing 20+% misuse by Agony Beam wicks for non-beam examples be enough to change your mind again?

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No. I would first try to fix the description to make sure users understand the difference better.

So why is Force Choking I'm Having Soul Pains and Force Lightning Agony Beam? Why does Grandfather Clause make your opinion different?

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I'll be honest that the conversation devolved so much into semantics that I lost track of it.

This is what I also believe to be the big difference between AB and Soul Pains, and I also think it's a notable enough difference to keep them as separate tropes. Agony Beam is used as an attack or torture method- either to show violence while skirting around a higher rating, or to show violence in a more 'supernatural' way than physical violence- while Soul Pains is abstract pain that someone experiences through multiple means, such as the examples listed above.

To that end, Agony Beam might qualify as a subtrope of I'm Having Soul Pains.

EDIT: I think the problem there is that both given examples don't count as either trope; Force Choking is Psychic Strangle, and while Force Lightning could be used to specifically cause someone pain, in that example it seems to just be a regular attack during battle, which would instead just come under Shock and Awe.

With that said, I'm wondering now if maybe there isn't a separate problem with lightning being seen as a form of Agony Beam. After all, the above example of Force Lightning is a Psycho Electro using his Shock and Awe powers to attack someone. If he was specifically doing it to cause pain, then it would be Electric Torture. With that many tropes to distinguish 'person uses electricity to cause pain', I'm not sure if lightning necessarily comes under AB like the trope image and description states.

Edited by whizzerd on Apr 13th 2019 at 2:56:18 PM

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The intangible link between the source of the pain and its target. I suggest to put up a crowner to see what others think of the distinction.

This thread began with semantics because the two tropes use Weasel Words (usually, most frequently, sometimes) to give the impression that a definition has been given, and I've been trying to get people's opinions on a reasonable&consistent definition for one/both.

It looks like discussion is converging on a shared definition. I'll probably want to make a sandbox and crowner to confirm opinions, but there's other details to work on, still.

Which is injury "Caused by non-physical means". The proposed definition would make that into a subtrope as well.

I'm not sure I like having electricity put on the same "metaphysical" level as psychic powers and magic curses either. The only on-page overlap for lightning and electricity with I'm Having Soul Pains is the Force Lightning. Agony Beam has Hyrule Warriors: Heroes Through Time, Mazinger Z, Star Wars (Force Lightning and Electric Judgement), and Wild 9.

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Arcing electricity is intangible, so there's an intangible link in each image.

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