Politics in Media - The Good, the Bad, and the Preachy

I was kind of surprise to see Bateman of american psycho being all excited with the idea of donald trump having a launch in the same restaurant as is, it kinda really tell something about the chararter

Spooky: sorry I let that out, indeed entrainment dosent mean fun but rather the story is engaging to you in some way of another and it draw a felling, I mean I enjoy devilman crybaby, even if the last four episode(specially 9) bleach my soul and make me stare to a wall for a little bit.

But the point is there: the story have to draw you, otherwise people tune out of whatever the hell you want to said.

? Bit confused of how that is worthy of apology though unless I forgot something due to being morning groggy and ye said something harsher earlier?

I would say Andrew Ryan is the worst Trump equivalent possible, his ideals are stupid but the man himself very much is not. He's an eloquent self-made billionaire who stands for his principles no matter the cost.

Is he a bad person? Absolutely, but he's not a dull person. And that alone makes him completely different from Trump, frankly, if Trump knew about Ryan I bet he'd love that comparison. Because it paints him much better then what he actually is. Do you think Trump would order his own messy death to prove the "rightness" of his beliefs?

Trump isn't a genius, he could never make Rapture. Nor is he the kind of fanatic that Ryan was.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 15th 2019 at 12:56:38 PM

I disagree because a large part of Andrew Ryan is that he's obsessed with his own mystique but he doesn't actually have the capacity to succeed on his own and he throws the mother of all temper tantrums when things don't go his way. Then again, Rapture is an amazing accomplishment and I suppose that DOES put him out of Trump's way.

But I have a very low opinion of Ryan and think very little of most self-styled self-made billionaires.

Rapture is exactly the kind of thing Trump would build. A gilded outer appearance fraught with serious structural issues. Rapture was literally leaking and falling apart since Ryan didn't want to build it like a bathtub.

Weirdly, Rapture got copied in a more Trump-ish way with Libertalia in Uncharted. Because unlike Rapture, Henry Avery (who was an enormous piece of shit that had good publicity) always intended it to be a scam and ran the place very much like Trump.

Everyone invested all of their money into his paradise and when things started going south, he ran off with the money.

Mind you, Seastedding and Libertarian kingdoms are RL scams that I'm surprised Trump hasn't gotten into.

Except this doesn't work, Rapture was legitimately incredible. The fact that it eventually began to fall apart doesn't make its creation any less impressive. Trump couldn't hope to make something so spectacular.

The existence of major issues doesn't stop it from being significantly more impressive than anything Trump has made.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 15th 2019 at 1:07:54 AM

Because it'd mean living somewhere other than Trump Tower or Mar-a-Lago.

There were problems with Rapture almost from the very beginning because Ryan didn't listen to the actual experts which he specifically hired when they told him something he didn't want to hear. That's really Trumpish.

"If things weren't bad enough, it seems that even our water system's sprung a leak. Yep, that's right. The irrigation system in Arcadia is taking on sea water. I told Mr. Ryan when we were building this place; either you build her like a bathtub, or she's gonna turn into a sewer. "No, Mc Donagh," he said, "we're not gonna build no bathtub... we're gonna build Eden."

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2019 at 5:10:29 PM

Its legitimately incredible until everyone dies.

Like the Springfield Monorail.

Who is also Trump.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 15th 2019 at 1:16:11 AM

But rapture can funtion and it did for years, that is telling a lot, that they have some capacity to create something that can work for a while.

Also, looking at the simpsons I found this.

Is look the simpson really saw the heart of the republican party.

Yes, it had problems, but what it represented was incredible despite that.

I'm not saying that Rapture was an unambiguously positive accomplishment, it clearly wasn't. Just that for all its flaws it was still better than anything Trump could make.

My argument is more of an indictment of Trump than a defense of Rapture.

I should note that I fully attribute the gaudy, beautiful, clean, and thoroughly uninhabited mostly-empty dead mall of Manhattan Island to both Trump, Bloomberg, and Giuliani.

Which is a sign Trump can create amazing (in their horribleness) things.

They do have the key similarity of ego.

The key difference is that Ryan, for his faults, is a genuine and idealistic individual. In fact, this is actually a source of his evil: He really does want to create a utopia, and for the most part, really does believe in his tenets.

Trump, by contrast, does not. A Trump-built Rapture would fall apart, not because he's too blinded by some ideological vision, but because he simply doesn't care.

To be fair, this arguably makes Trump superior in some ways. For example, with Plasmids, Trump would at first resist regulating them. Then, after a while, he'd do a 180 on the issue, pretend to be regulating Plasmids, and declare it was his idea the whole time. But he might at least pretend to be regulating them. Of course, there's a bit of trade-off here. Again, a Trump-built Rapture would fall apart rapidly, by design.

The Bioshock character most like Trump would likely be Fontaine, a sociopathic nihilist.

Not even that, like people said Trump problem wit comparing to fiction chararter is that somehow trump is very shallow, the only thing closer are capitan planet villian because they are that over top and flat.

Trump is not a plan or intelectualy drive person, he is run more by instinct, he does what he want and he want what he can do, pretty easy.

Yeah, I think I'm the one who said it. That's actually what I was getting at with the comparison between Trump and Ryan. Ryan has more depth.

Essentially, Trump is a "flat" and shallow villain, and something of a baffoon-akin to an old platformer game or a children's story (and a simplistic one at that). However, he's typically eviller than those sorts of characters, he's definitely not G-rated, and he's also very much not a harmless villain. However, he's also not quite a complete monster either, he's just kind of a dick. This is a pretty rare combination of features in fiction.

Basically, the issue is that it's one of the least glamorous forms of evil. He's not some grandiose supervillain. He's just a pathetic and petty individual who happens to have a lot of power and no morals.

To use a metaphor: Think of him less as a terrorist, a mafia hitman, or a serial killer. Think more like a guy who drives drunk, runs someone over, and feels little to no repentance over it and continues drinking.

Trump isn't the Joker or Lex Luthor, he's the preppy kid in the Goonies grown up.

And yet some fucking how is the big bad.

Which is why parody in show is kinda hard, because well.....we already chararter like that in fiction and they are very secondary for that reason, he is not grea supervillian or even a very good one but he is stuck with the chair.

In short, US enter a very seasional rot right here.

Trump is Hobb's Prince Regel and Martin's "Beggar King" Visaerys — but, let them grown up and somehow get saved from total self-destruction before the age of 40 because others thought they could use this bumbling, harmless (if nasty) buffoon of a money laundering "tycoon" for their own schemes.

This is what happens when you enable a disordered narcissist with delusions of both competence and intelligence into a position of actual and effective power.

Harmless buffoons with a nasty streak? Aren't ever harmless. And are very hard to keep in check because of their very real underlying condition. They cannot process normal social cues and responses in average ways — which blows right through and around any systemic social checks that aren't primarily physical ones.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Nov 16th 2019 at 10:49:10 AM

Visery crack in part for pressure of recovering is kindom, Trump is more a adult Joffrey, in fact GRRM pretty much said so in his webpage.

I left Joffrey out of it because the target was just too big and he got himself killed so young.

Give Trump some due... He's managed to avoid somebody successfully strangling him (by poison or otherwise) until today — even if he's boxed himself into some very poor places. Poor Joff didn't get to that degree of gut-reaction wily.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Nov 16th 2019 at 11:20:23 AM

I'll once again point out that Walder Frey is the ASOIAF antagonist that best matches Trump.

He's an old overgrown Spoiled Brat Dirty Old Man who both wants to be considered one of the elite and resents them for not including him. His whole family is about as fucked up as him. He's a spiteful petty creature who engages in vicious Disproportionate Retribution over a (well-earned) insult — the Red Wedding was in part motivated by Walder Frey being called "The Late Lord Frey" by Hoster Tully, and Trump more or less vowed to destroy Obama's legacy over being roasted by him.

There's one pretty significant difference between what you're describing there and what Trump actually is:

Trump does want to be accepted by 'the elite', but he doesn't resent them for not doing so... Because for literal decades he was completely accepted.

What he resents is that in the 80's and 90's, they let him get away with his pettiness and casual racism, misogyny and homophobia because he was one of them and these days that sort of thing is no longer acceptable to upper and upper 'middle' class liberals... At least not in public... So now he's seeking attention from conservatives who think his casual xenophobia is a-okay instead.

I think Trump's downfall from polite society began with his Birther beliefs.

Not the Central Park Five.

But the President.

And he's been trying to recover his "respect" ever since.

Just like how Walder Frey’s rep started to nosedive after Holster Tully mocked his cowardice.

There's a certain level of "New Money" to the Frey's situation as well. They're a lower rung house that happened to make serious bank due to the heavy tolls they put on their bridge to the North. Not so heavy as to discourage trade mind you but enough that they became wealthy enough to become a serious power in the Riverlands. It's just money is not indisputable power in Westeros (the priest and the king all have power but its a shadow on the wall).

So the Freys are treated as the equivalent of Barons when they're at least Counts if not the second most powerful House in the Riverlands ala the Boltons (and yes, I know Westeros doesn't differentiate its Lords titles).

Allegedly, the Trumps did actually spend a lot of effort to be acknowledged as Blue Bloods in Trump's earlier days and failed miserably — so Trump embraced the crass Mc Donalds and Pizza Hutt millionaire Lowest Common Denominator act.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 16th 2019 at 6:09:26 AM