Politics in Media - The Good, the Bad, and the Preachy

The whole point of thumps is that we don't talk about the thumped stuff in the forum.

That and stuff got off topic(which what it was, kazuya said something and things got personal) and interrupt the flow, usually is when mod give a waring that we must drop a subject.

It's from two months ago but Renegade Cut also did a video discussing how SNL's mockery of Trump was not only toothless and motivated by profit but also unintentionally humanizes and normalizes him.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 10th 2019 at 5:17:46 AM

I wouldn't necessarily blame SNL for that.

A lot of people assumed Trump was just a goofy businessman and not a racist monster.

I can't but roll my eyes at how they use Neoliberalism for pretty much everything

Renegade Cut also made a video of why Evangelists support Trump, based on a religious movie "The Trump Prophecy", which was written by a Trump supporter and depicts how "magic ball" tells religious fireman that Trump is chosen by God:

I doubt a movie is reponsible. I'd blame it on merely the social environment of American Evangelists.

I'm honestly tired that all our Hot Takes came fron Breadtube youtubers

You probably read me wrong, i didn't say that movie was responsible, i said that movie is showcasing Evangelists' views and why they supporting Trump (spoiler alert, bigotry, that they share with Trump, is the big reason).

I think you're letting your distaste for the channel cloud your judgement, Kazuya. That video uses the film as a symptom of why the Evangelicals side with Trump, not the root cause.

There's an interesting study that I read that basically amounts to the fact that there's an intersectionality (reverse intersectionality?) of factors working with Trump's white evangelical support that some people are missing to focus on the evangelical element alone.

As you can guess, people pretty much ignore that Trump has no support among black evangelicals (and very little among Latino) despite making up about thirty percent of the evangelical population as a whole. The economic factors of said groups are also being somewhat ignored in this group. Poor evangelicals are less likely to vote for Trump.

Pat Robertson and others have endorsed him but other groups have actual denounced him (shockingly—those evangelical churches that tend to have a large black population or mixed).

None of this should be surprising but there's this weird idea Trump has a magnetic appeal to the religious.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 10th 2019 at 8:27:55 AM

I mean, in America, religious people as a word is used to refer to White Christians because they're the majority.

@Gaon: I'm honestly tired of Breadtube being the only thing shared here. There really not point in sharing them because is basically Leftists telling leftists why they're right.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 10th 2019 at 12:54:01 PM

I think it's more confusing because there's multiple branches of Christians of which have dramatically different beliefs. Evangelical Christians are different from mainstream Protestant Christians from Catholic Christians from Mormons and from liberal ecumenist branch offs.

It's just The Fundamentalist evangelical megachurches are specifically targeted to the Lowest Common Denominator.

And the Lowest Common Denominator is what gives their reputation to a group.

@Kazuya: I'm not sure I follow your complaint. From what I see of this thread, more often than not people post videos that summarize or add to their arguments and they tend to be relatively informative. Would you suggest people post more alt-right videos to somehow base their arguments?

Way to strawmen the Youtubers, considering how many Right wingers are there as well. I assume you talk about those who talk about problems with sexism/racism and bigotry in the society in general, considering Renegade Cut (who you say is "one of those leftists, who love to talk about how he is right") is from that crowd.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Nov 10th 2019 at 9:11:54 PM

This is a shockingly disingenuous hot take, I watch quite a few of Breadtube's most prominent Youtubers (Contrapoints, Philosophy Tube, Shawn, Hbomberguy, ect) and the vast majority of their videos are nothing like this.

You aren't a leftist, that's fine, but this kind of lazy strawman shows a critical shortage of intellectual rigor.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 10th 2019 at 10:32:08 AM

sorry, double post

Edited by unknowing on Nov 10th 2019 at 3:03:01 PM

I think what kazuya said is that many of lefttuber are pretty much left telling thing that for the other left are ether obvious or just preaching to he choir, which is diferent that for example engaging in alt right topic like Bomberguy does or explaing LGTB stuff from and usual optic like contra(not surprising, those are her more controversial tipic).

Also gaon, saying "Maybe we need to put alt right video" is a) and strawman since he never said that and b) it kinda sound defensive and quite dishonest.

I don't want to watch either of those videos because political analysis is depressing, but even I could tell that Kazuya didn't watch either video before complaining about them ._.

Like, from what I know that channel, its analysis essayist video channel, not "let's talk about 30 minutes about why bad thing is bad" channel.

Edited by SpookyMask on Nov 10th 2019 at 9:06:50 PM

There's also the genetic fallacy. Just because someone is known for saying things you may disagree with doesn't mean that they can't have something useful to say on a particular topic. Of course the danger from the flip side of the coin is that this also can apply to what people from the alt-right hae to say.

Sometimes the line between the two blurred a lot, specially since he have is essay monologue about neoliberalism interject with him criticizing SNL over how far they can critized him or did before.

Overall the video seen to kinda move between SNL somewhat wishy-washy impact of mocking trump and what it can be said is that SNL mockery is useless because is not done with and left agenda but rather a pure neoliberal profit in form of rating.

Now there is some issue here and one of them is that the idea of mockery only work unless is critical satire against the status quo...which more often that not it means done in a left wing way, since they position themselves as opose to that, for some who criticize the idea og being apolitical, it does follow some stuff like saying to endorse politician critical of neoliberalism, nto seen that while that is good, many critics also follow batshit insane ideas on is on.

So I will said the video is meh, as it try to united two stuff and it kinda does but very awkardly.

Bluntly, the video sucks because its confusing "neoliberalism" with greed and attributes a lot of conservative points to neoliberalism as well — as if the conservatives in the audience didn't exist. Basically, he attributes to neoliberalism everytime someone makes a profit-based decision.

Which is...silly.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 10th 2019 at 2:26:26 AM

Two common memes that need to die are "Capitalism = Greed" and "Socialism is when the government does things".

I remember saying in one thread that the American Progressive's definition of "liberal" is "basically conservative". In sort of a Cultural Cringe-fueled flanderization of the international definition.