Avengers Endgame spoiler thread

Granted, but with Wanda he needed outside support, while against Carol he used his wits.

Sure, he'd likely lost either of those fights, I just like Wanda more .

And c'mon, people, the scene where Frigga takes Thor out of his funk with some good ol' motherly wisdom is one of the movie's most heartwarming! Let's not shit on that.

Edited by HailMuffins on Apr 26th 2019 at 7:53:33 AM

Just came back. I have nothing less that utter praise and a sense of closure to everything I watched over the last 11 years. Excelsior, Kevin.

And now, I take a good long break from the MCU.

Excelsior Kevin and Sarah.

The former laid the roadmap but the latter chose all those wonderful actors. Let's not downplay her contributions.

Ah, I see my brother wasn't the only one bothered by the whole fat Thor thing.

Stupid question, but since this is a spoiler page shouldn't spoilers be unmarked?

Only on monday.

For now, keep a lid on it.

I overall thought the movie was amazing!

But they nerfed Thor and made some very crude jokes with him. And I was surprised on how little Carol was used after all the hype.

Alright. I'm about to watch the movie anyways.

Just to point out an important detail: the directirs tend to have little power over the marketing, so they might have never intended for Carol to have a big role.

Up to you wheter or not that should change your opinion, but it is important to have all facts on the table.

I can not help thinking that Corvus and Cull suffer a huge case of Badass Decay

In the previous movie they were able to fight a super soldier, Iron Man in his nano-suit armor and the Hulkbuster.

In this movie, they are treated as simple Mooks.

In fact my reaction when they were killed, was "Those Mooks who were killed so easily were Cull and Corvus?"

A character that surprised me was Nebula, I thought that her relationship with the avengers would be a simple alliance for convenience. But she has really become a good and heroic person.

Nebula had an enormous development, for a character that started as a simple secondary villain.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Apr 26th 2019 at 5:01:14 AM

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I could have done with less Fat Thor.

There was a lot to like in this movie: Thor Dual Wielding Stormbreaker and Mjolnir, Steve finally picking up Mjolnir, everyone returning...but....Fat Thor, along with how sometimes my hype wasn't as great as it should be...I don't know. Maybe a year of having a relative beating me over the head with constant theories about what would happen meant there was no way for it to live up to all that hype (note that said relative is massively disappointed about the movie mostly for killing Thanos twice). I don't know.

I probably enjoyed seeing Quill get beat up and treated like a moron a bit too much, but I don't regret it. He got exactly what he deserved and I look forward to Thor on the team to continue to emasculate him.

Didn't expect Natasha to bite it. I admit, it made sense because Clint still had his family, while she didn't really have anyone, but I also remembered that she has a movie coming up, so I figured she'd make it. Shows what I know.

We all know that Girl Power scene was just a big middle finger towards every single sexist asshole who's mouthed off both Brie and said shit about any female in this franchise... it did it's job, but it also kinda felt forced, but that's what happens when you don't use the female characters as well as you should. Still, anything that gives a middle finger to those jerks is good by default.

Hulk, Gamora and Nebula didn't get to take their shots at Thanos, and Carol barely did anything, but seeing Thanos just sit down as he watches everything he's worked for fade away (with the knowledge that he did actually succeed) was...a surprisingly dignified way for him to go out, and also fitting.

...not sure what else to say. Think I need more time to process it.

...But for the love of god, someone tell Thor to lose some weight.

I was wondering if something could be done about the Villain Has a Point trope on the movies page. Mostly that it suggests his plan worked because plants are overgrowing settlements and animals showing up in places they normally wouldn't, which a.) plantlife does grow pretty fast when its small and b) Whales going into areas with less humans make sense, as it just means more habitat has opened up especially with mankind in a standstill. Animal populations like whales wouldn't magically explode in huge numbers in five years time. It takes them nearly a year to birth small number of young.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 26th 2019 at 5:24:54 AM

When the team up scene of all the female heroes on the battlefield happened. I thought it felt unearned on Marvel's part honestly. Alone its a nice scene, but when you take it in context of how few major female heroes the MCU has, and how long it took to get to Captain Marvel...

It just feels like Marvel was trying to pat itself on the back for something they haven't really done.

That said, I was very happy to see Pepper in an Iron Man suit. That got me really excited. Its a shame she probably won't appear again, unless its a very small scene.

Granted, those whales could've simply come from somewhere else now that the Hudson waters were clean. Doesn't necessarily means their population recovered, just that formerly unfit environments are now capable of sustaining life.

And am I the only one who really loved Hippie Thoe? IW showed that his revenge against Thanos was the only thing keeping him centered, once that was taken away, his downward spiral was logical. [[ And seeing him at his lowest made his comeback all the better!

Yeah I mean humans taking over waters and the like are part of what keep animals out and shrinks their territory they live in.

So reducing half of all life wouldn't cause a huge boon in whale populations. It just means there's more area they can live in.

Anything think it was a shame Thanos become like a Phase One villain in the final battle? I mean yeah it was past Thanos, but he just seemed like a cgi villain who died like a typical DCEU baddie.

"Girl Power": Personally, I thought the scene was less Marvel patting itself on the back and more of an acknowledgement of how they treated their heroines rather poorly.

Less "Look how progressive and female-friendly we are!" and more "We know we didn't treat all of these properly, so here's a seperate scene of them being awesome to make up a little for it".

Context is king, so depending on how the presence of heroines are treated on the MCU going forward, this'll either be seen as a turning point, a bright spot, or a tone-deaf attempt at female empowering.

It being a franchise-wide issue that a single movie couldn't possibly fix by itself, I'm willing to withold judgement. For now.

BTW, I see the gay/bi Joe Russo cameo much the same way.

Edited by HailMuffins on Apr 26th 2019 at 9:52:52 AM

Not really. It's what he deserved for being a Malthusian loon. I'd have given him a more undignified death tbh.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 26th 2019 at 5:58:48 AM

It was much of what I expected out of him, really. IW was his story, but Endgame is the heroes', it makes sense that his more unsavory side would be emphasized.

I'd spoiler tag that, just to be safe.

His death was actually fine considering he didn't rant or scream like a baby giving him some dignity.

I did feel they could have done with a touch more gravitas about Thanos as a character after all their work on Infinity War to make him tridimensional.

I liked far Thor, but I feel they should have played him less for comedy and more for drama of "the hero's lowest point". I also felt almost cheated out of a scene of Thanos driving Stormbreaker into Thor's chest and him smirking and going "You should have gone for the head." before cleaning his clock.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 26th 2019 at 6:28:53 AM

The disproportionate level of attention Carol had in the marketing vs. the amount of screentime she actually got reminded me heavily of when they did the exact same thing for Black Panther with Infinity War. Once her movie was a hit all bets were probably off and they really wanted to pimp the character a little more despite her not really having that large a role.

Yeah, I think Hollywood really has a problem with its lack of communication between the marketing and the director(s).

Remember when the trailers of Genesys spoiled the biggest twists of the movie?

Just saw it this morning at 8 am with my boyfriend. There are... A LOT of things I liked about the movie. It was a good ride and I loved it.

It's also a movie that... you shouldn't think about it for any longer than 5 seconds. I thought I was in for some fun when they started making fun of dozens of time travel movies like Back to the Future and etc for not getting time travel right... only to then employ the same tropes and mistakes constantly. Like, it's bad enough that they really don't stop to explain exactly what they're planning on doing and what the rules are, but then the rules that they felt like they set up get broken so badly that I can't think about it or the film falls on it's face.

Namely, they sound like they're working with a stable time loop time travel, but with the knowledge that the future is unwritten. Go back to collect the infinity stones using time travel, use them to perform The Snap Back, in the future, and then return them to their proper places before they get collected by Thanos/Got G later. Which, fine, I can roll with that. I have questions about some things, but I can roll with it.

Problem falls apart when they even explicitly go out of their way to destroy the possibility of multiverse and changing the past. The Ancient One shows up and points out that they cannot just take them and leave them in the future as it would create a multi-verse that doesn't have their stones and will cause problems for another universe. Hence, RETURN them to when they are needed.

But then... Thanos in the past discovers the Future!Nebula and learns of everything and it all kind of spirals into... multi-verse. Like, there's no way to work around it. The Thanos of the past jumps INTO THE FUTURE only to get destroyed. Which... means that the original Infinity War has no way of possibly occurring. Which is explicitly what they had mocked earlier.

It also ruins the tension in some scenes where they don't want to cause a paradox and go out of their way to make jokes and do other things to build tension on not ruining the timeline... Only to then do things like causing Past!Nebula to get killed by Future!Nebula and, oh dear, my eyes have gone lopsided. It feels strange to build tension on something and then reveal there was never any tension anyway?

I didn't quite like killing Black Widow because I don't know how this puts things. She has a solo movie coming up and to kill her feels wrong. She dies and only NOW do we get her backstory movie??? And her death hurt. It HURT. And I was upset. And I don't think I would have been as upset as if Clint had died. But Clint... He still feels bland and boring as a character. He's a family man and a dad and... that's really it. And he turns into a monster because his family was killed (War Machine doesn't even want to look at the crime scenes) and... we never really deal with that I guess? Like, dying could have been his Redemption Equals Death?

Also, to further justify how confusing the time travel is... Steve just jumps back into Peggy's life. He lives to a ripe old age. How does ANYTHING happen anymore? Like... did he go off and do spy stuff with Howard Stark? Was he in hiding only to ever spend time with Peggy? What happened to Peggy's ORIGINAL husband who... probably loved Peggy dearly and deserved as much of a happy ending with her as Steve did? Where does this put the elephant in the room no one is talking about named Sharon Carter? Just... I WANT to like this. EVERYTHING in me wants to like this. I cried when we saw Peggy again and JAMES D'ARCY HUMAN JARVIS and... This felt long desired, but not what should have happened. Also... what about Bucky? If we're going to go back and just... insert ourselves back into the past, why not save Bucky from torture? And assassinating Tony's parents? And doing a lot of terrible fucked up shit?

I somewhat get the impression at SOME POINT there was a version of this script with more consistent time travel rules, but those got thrown out for bigger character send offs that FEEL great, but aren't the ending we should have gotten.

I have other thoughts but I don't want to be ranting because I ultimately really liked the movie.

the way I understood it 2014 thanos and his army including nebula and gamora were from a branch that existed after the stone was took, but got trimmed when steve put the orb back so the branch that that thanos came from stopped existing. or the snap instead of killing them sent them back to 2014.