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May 15th 2019 at 10:17:10 AM

[up]Ragnarok is pretty much hulk movie with thor as cameo* I feel infinty war have the quintesencial thor arc: epic and in grand scale, I was the only movie I feel did thor justice.

  • : And again I always remenber how you predic the hole hulk arc and other dissmiss it as too improbable.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:17:47 AM

Yeah, Ragnarok was definitely a soft reboot on Thor (and one written after or concurrent with the script for Infinity War which might also explain some things). It's just that it's one many people would consider My Real Daddy with, because his previous characterization, while more consistent with Infinity War and Endgame, wasn't the most engaging for a lot of people. Thus Waititi's different take was a highly welcome one and to go back to the old one feels like twice the betrayal.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:18:07 AM

Ragnarok is pretty much hulk movie with thor as cameo
It...really isn't.

[up] But even with Waititi's approach (which I believe they kept with the more comedic elements), Thor still doesn't want to be king. He even says so in the film. (Hell, Waititi as Korg is in Endgame itself.)

Edited by alliterator on May 15th 2019 at 10:19:38 AM

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May 15th 2019 at 10:18:31 AM

The Hulk’s only in Ragnarok for 30 minutes at best. It’s not “the Hulk movie” at all.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:19:20 AM

Yeah Thor isn't a cameo in Ragnarok.

He has a big effect on the plot & heavy character development.

Edited by slimcoder on May 15th 2019 at 10:19:53 AM

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May 15th 2019 at 10:26:12 AM

I've always felt that Hela should have invaded Sakaar to tie the two locations together,hell have her fight Thor in the arena and beat her there

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May 15th 2019 at 10:27:18 AM

I would disagree in that part, the plot of asgard happen wtihout him until the confrontation with Hela and she dosernt have any conexion with thor or loki at all(she barely talk with them i fact), meanwhile the hulk part of the film when they land of saakar have more weight.

is pretty much two plot that dosent have much to do in general.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:27:23 AM

[up][up]But Thor can't beat her. Her power is tied to Asgard, so her defeat has to be from Asgard's destruction.

I would disagree in that part, the plot of asgard happen wtihout him until the confrontation with Hela and she dosernt have any conexion with thor or loki at all
She's Thor's sister, Odin's first child. That's the connection. And the reason Thor is sidelined until the end is because there needed to be a build-up, rising action, and then the climax. Thor already confronted her in the beginning of the film and lost. If he immediately did it again, he would lose again.

Edited by alliterator on May 15th 2019 at 10:29:25 AM

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May 15th 2019 at 10:28:53 AM

Right but if her power tied to location and she's away from that location it's bound to weaken her somehow,have the muiple wormholes disrupt the link or something

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May 15th 2019 at 10:29:59 AM

[up] Then why would she leave Asgard? The issue was that Thor had to get to Asgard, not that Hela wanted to find him.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:32:05 AM

"That's the connection"

is a pretty weak one, they barely interact and hela can barely give a damn about him(and vice versa), the movie lack any strong conexion between chararter aside of thor and hulk and maybe hulk and valkire, thor would stop hela because hela was the villian and shitty, that it.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:42:39 AM

s a pretty weak one, they barely interact and hela can barely give a damn about him
Thor and Hela have a confrontation in the beginning and the end of the film, but the film isn't about their confrontation, true. It's about Thor and his self-actualization, him coming to terms with what it means to be the God of Thunder and realizing that he doesn't need his hammer. That's why it's a Thor movie.

Hela and the Grandmaster are the obstacles in his way. Hela is the larger obstacle, since it requires him to sacrifice Asgard itself.

The Hulk is only in the film to provide comic relief and backup to Thor.

Edited by alliterator on May 15th 2019 at 10:43:09 AM

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May 15th 2019 at 10:46:30 AM

Besides, if Thor's relationship with Hela is thin, Hulk's is non-existent. The claim that Ragnarok somehow isn't Thor's movie is just nonsensical.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:46:45 AM

"since it requires him to sacrifice Asgard itself."

Problem is asgard always being kind of....there, I get what the movie try to do but in hindsight is just make asgard seen more and more pointless in general.

And hulk is niot just funny relief, he kinda mirror thor in need to evolve and not stay as just smashing dude.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:49:07 AM

And hulk is niot just funny relief, he kinda mirror thor in need to evolve and not stay as just smashing dude.

The whole point of Hulk was that Hulk was needed for smashing, Banner was there for comic relief. As an adaptation of Planet Hulk, it was fairly terrible. As a Thor movie, it was great.

Edited by alliterator on May 15th 2019 at 10:50:14 AM

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May 15th 2019 at 10:51:16 AM

[up]No droping video link without summary of explanation please.

And hell I never said he wasnt funny just is not is role, the movie is a comedy after all.

but on chararterization....yeah, ragnarok was weird but I feel people overlooky because it was funny to them.

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May 15th 2019 at 10:52:11 AM

> Then why would she leave Asgard?

Well she likes conquering worlds and decides to start with that Junk planet,have her and forces arrive on the plant expecting to take the planet only to encounter resistance

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May 15th 2019 at 11:33:39 AM

Okay...Thor...let's break this down....

For one, Thor is the most inconsistent written of our three main Avengers. That is largely because he got another set of writers and directors every single time, and Whedon had a tendency to sideline him. There are still some themes which are consistent through all of his appearances:

1. He is always struggling with his status as a prince. Meaning in the first movie he is keen on being the ruler but doesn't have any understanding of what that means, and once he realizes the huge burden it truly is, he rejects the throne, and not just because of Jane. He simply doesn't think that he is worthy for it. In Ragnarök he is forced to take the throne but, well, in the short time after Odin dies, he loses Asgard, half of his people and then another half of his people. So damn right he feels like a failure in Endgame. The others failed one world, he failed two of them at once.

2. The two consistent themes in all of his movies are revenge and his relationship to Loki. First movie he wants revenge on the Frost Giants for breaking into the vault (until he realizes the consequences of that). Second movie he wants to heal Jane, but he ALSO wants revenge for Malekith killing his mother and Loki...this time he is just able to hold himself back until Jane is rescued. Third movie he wants revenge on Hela for attacking Asgard. Infinity War he wants revenge on Thanos for killing half of his people and Heimdal and Loki. In Endgame he finally goes for the head and it only gives him a feeling of emptiness.

I mean I get it, Endgame should be a triumph for the original Avengers, the moment when we see all of them at their best, but we end up seeing Thor at his lowest. Which would be a problem if that were the end of his story, but it clearly isn't. It is the start of a new Thor, one who truly recognizes his true strength and the futility of revenge.

Regarding exchanging the hammer with an axe: I don't mind it. Tony and Peter both had a "your true strength is not in your weapon" moment too. And they both didn't stop creating even better weapons in reaction. The only thing which bothers me kind of is that if Hela's and Thor's power both come from Asgard, why isn't he losing it when Asgard gets destroyed? Or gets a downgrade?

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May 15th 2019 at 11:35:31 AM

Third movie he wants revenge on Hela for attacking Asgard.
He doesn't want revenge, he just wants to stop her from taking over Asgard and conquering other planets.

Edited by alliterator on May 15th 2019 at 11:35:42 AM

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May 15th 2019 at 11:37:40 AM

People have said that they think Thor is weaker in Infinity War and Endgame, although the latter has him out of practice

He may indeed have lost some power from losing Asgard

Edited by Bocaj on May 15th 2019 at 2:38:11 PM

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May 15th 2019 at 11:38:14 AM

[up][up]Not to mention in Dark World he is actually the voice against revenge.

Odin wants revenge. Thor wants to stop Malekith and save Jane.

[up] I mean, Asgard isn't a place. It's a people.

... a people that has been completely decimated three times in quick succession. So yeah, logic tracks.

Edited by Larkmarn on May 15th 2019 at 2:39:54 PM

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May 15th 2019 at 11:39:18 AM

Thor didn’t really take getting his butt kicked by Hela personally, all things come.

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May 15th 2019 at 11:39:33 AM

The plot not wanting her to.

Like I said, the time machine is a Big Plot Thing. She will only figure it out if the writers decide they need Black Panther to have a time machine, which seems unlikely going forward.

Sure that's the out of universe explanation but the post I quoted was discussing things in universe. So again, with Shuri being the smartest character in the MCU and Tony figuring out imperfect/limited time travel in a matter of hours what makes you think she couldn't perfect time travel in less time?

Edited by Chariot on May 15th 2019 at 2:40:27 PM

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May 15th 2019 at 11:44:36 AM

Maybe she already has and we’re just watching the alternate timeline.

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May 15th 2019 at 11:48:03 AM

He was briefly flat footed by the reveal that his brother was alive, the death of his father, the reveal he has a sister, the loss of his hammer, and the loss of his hair all in succession

And he’s clearly putting aside dealing with that while he’s on Sakaar

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