She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

I answer that with a better question: Why are you complaining about someone's opinion that's contrary to yours? And even better, why did you instantly assume I was here for fanservice?

You see no logic on my words, but yours seem no better, automatically dismissing me as part of some ideological agenda and pointing fingers like that. And the worst part of it is that we could go on that exchange forever at this rhythym because you are not willing to see the other side of the problem, and I am having problems to see your side because of the way you berate the other.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 5:17:57 AM

I think you meant disagreeing*.

And this case, i'm disagreeing with you because i simply do not agree that the new She-Ra design looks like a boy.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:16:34 AM

But was assuming that I was here for fanservice necessary? Even if my wording skills aren't on their best, given what sparked the commentaries I had to ask to stop. That said, it was some three pages ago, so by that point it should be in the past.

With this all said, by now I actually feel like I'm parroting myself.

And well, you're fully free to disagree and like her design. It's your opinion and your right to it.

As for the Periphery Demographic discussion, I'm not up to telling them to change her design even if I don't like it. Not because I won't be heard; but because that's not a problem I could call big. For those who are indeed trying to stop it (And foolishly, I say, as the cartoon doesn't seem to be anything as bad as Thundercats Roar), I for once would say them to let the cartoon roll. If they hate it so much, they should at least know that trying to stymie it will only give it more popularity for starters.

Me? Despite the She-Ra controversy, I'm actually interested on the cartoon.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 5:38:15 AM

I wonder if they'll go with 'stating aesop at the at end of each episode' because I recall He-man/She-ra episodes did that a lot

Probably not. Do any shows do that any more?

Shows aimed at pre schoolers do

See this culture war stuff is what I was worried about.

I do think they led off with the absolutely least flattering picture, which reminds me of the way the first picture released of Titans showed what looked to be a...less than flattering look for the actress playing Starfire with one side calling bad casting and the other side calling that side racism and the third side saying “Screw DC’s attempt to make a Netflix competitor, I pay enough for Netflix and (whatever other service you pay for)”. It’s not enough to dislike something these days, it’s all related back to this culture war and how we’re raising our kids to be either mysogynist brutes or completely feminized wimps.

Part of me wonders if this is why TT Go is so successful, because the only time that came up, it was making fun of the male/female divide. Being silly means not being part of the culture war...until you try to do it to Thundercats and everyone calls for the director’s head.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 18th 2018 at 6:50:56 AM

I've noticed that a lot too. It feels like people have to have some big overarching value-related, I guess, reason to like or dislike something. "I like this ship... thus I have to prove it's Then Most Progessive Ship Ever!" "This character design doesn't work for me personally... but I can't just say that so I have to prove the design is bad because it's SJW propaganda!" It's kind of dumb.

Anyway, I honestly know nothing about She-Ra but I'm certainly looking forward to this reboot. I actually love the character designs? I think She-Ra looks pretty, and the whole art style of the show looks very appealing.

Yeah, you can’t go “don’t you dare lump me in with all those screaming idiots” at the same time that you’re going “I represent the majority of viewers who are resenting being ignored.” It’s very disingenuous.

You're saying I represent what? And what part of "I hate Bronies" in a post previous to that one has you not seen? Stop putting words into my mouth, fella. And stop distorting my words, too. That is disingenious, and dishonest too at that.

Whatever those progressists or crazy guys who want the director's head are, I don't stick my neck for those causes or agendas. What you see here is my opinion, disjointed or not, and above all else, not tied to anyone's agenda. So point your polarity sense elsewhere.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 1:22:52 PM

If I were to get serious about this for two seconds, I'd say that the features being criticized are being way overblown. It seems pretty clear to me that this She-Ra is younger than the original, or is being drawn so that the target audience can identify with her. The target audience being younger girls. The angular features seem to just be tied to the general aesthetic of the feature.

Honestly, I'm interested to see what they do with this. Everything from the original He-Man's run was designed as a toy first and foremost. While I'm sure there will still be plenty of toys, I imagine that the production team will have far more liberties when it comes to new characters and just how the characters can move and interact.

I'm looking forward to it. My seriousness has now been spent for the day.

I saw some fair criticism from Holly Christine. She's one of the people from the Channel Awesome fallout awhile ago.

Her main points:

• She likes the design of Adora, but not She-ra. To her She-ra looks different from Adora in an awkward way, and the headpiece makes her look too much like Thor to her.
• She doesn't like that apparently She-ra won't know how to use her powers yet. She'd rather her be powerful from the get-go when Adora transforms, because that was part of the power-fantasy she liked.

> Everything from the original He-Man's run was designed as a toy first and foremost.

Reminds how on their wikis they're represented by their toy instead of the image of the cartoon

Finally a feminine opinion.

I have others, but from way less known people, and in portuguese. If someone wants a translation, just give me a holler.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 1:56:47 PM

Anyone here see the documentary “The toys that made us”? There’s an episode on He-man and leaning into the Barbarian Hero that is fascinating.

x7 - It’s my hope that culture and society treats those people the way the 70’s treated hippies, a bizarre phase that society went past. Look, I can like Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur while hoping someone burns every copy of America Chavez. I can like Ms. Marvel as a character while decrying a shrinking comic industry that wonders why My Hero Academia is popular but Political Screed #269 gets cancelled due to low sales. It’s performative nonsense and it does the things we consume and their fandoms no favors to obsess over it.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 18th 2018 at 1:08:20 PM

I'm gonna have to disagree about that being the reason why the US comics industry is failing. The '80s, which so many hail as a bygone era of plenty, was defined by creators inserting their personal politics into stories, and I can't see how one could describe the Simmon/Kirby Captain America run as anything but a "political screed". The industry is failing because it can't market itself worth a damn and has failed to evolve to meet a new media landscape. And it should noted that, however goofy the hippies look now, their opponents are remembered much more negatively.

You pointed your comment at yourself, by the count.

Could you post a link to the documentary? Unless it's against the rules, of course.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 2:02:37 PM

Whoops.

Said documentary is on Netflix, which I presume you have if you’re going to watch She-Ra.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80161497

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 18th 2018 at 1:10:08 PM

Thanks. I'm gonna watch as soon as I get the chance. ^note I watch Netflix from my X Box 360, which is currently refusing to connect with my current modem for some reason.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 3:07:24 PM

> She doesn't like that apparently She-ra won't know how to use her powers yet.

They're going for her earning and learning her powers I think,which is no bad thing

Considering this show is a reboot, I too see no issue with the protagonist earning and learning her powers.

Agreed. It's fair that she has to learn how to use her powers.

It's actually a thing I loved when seeing the Thundercats '11 remake, with Lion-O having to understand the workings of his Sword of Omens from scratch.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Jul 18th 2018 at 4:06:22 PM

Yeah, this frequent myth that comic books were completely apolitical and only just now got agendas because of evil liberals is completely ahistorical. Comics have always been political, it's just that people tend not to view old comics that way because of the Nostalgia Filter.

Stan Lee got hate mail from people who accused him of pushing a diversity agenda because of characters like Black Panther and the Falcon, and I'm sure if they created the X-Men today, you'd have people on the internet screaming about how its message of "People deserve to be treated equally regardless of how they're born" is Leftist propaganda for cucks.

Not the breaking the fourth wall kind, but I could see it going Steven Universe style.

Edited by comicwriter on Jul 18th 2018 at 12:59:10 PM

Well clearly the way it was handled back then is working better than the way it’s handled now. Because otherwise comic book stores wouldn’t be dropping like flies after fumigation.

Now on She-Ra, the designs are definitely, I don’t want to say simpler, but rounder? The original He-Man designs were blatantly inspired by Frank Frazetta’s old Conan the Barbarian covers (the documentary I mentioned flat out says marketing at Mattel recommended someone who could draw like Frank), but animating those would be a nightmare.

Going to need a reliable source for the claim that comic book stores are "dropping like flies" due to "politics being inserted into stories."

Media by nature is political. Even the act of "leaving politics out of stories" is a political statement.