Misused: Casting Gag

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Well, no one else made a crowner for this thread yet, and it's getting close to the New Year's Purge, so I've made this.

There seems to be two questions there: "Should we separate X from Y and Z?" and "To what degree(s) should these be separated?" The matter of scale question is not really a single prop question, imo.

Well, can anyone else make a crowner for this thread?

Bump. Isn't this too difficult to clean up the misuse?

Hooking the single-prop.

So far, it's 8 votes in favor of redefining Casting Gag to make it distinctive from Actor Allusion and Actor-Shared Background.

10 to 1 now. Do you think there will be much further change with the voting results or should it end?

I say end it. It's been nearly a month since the crowner was hooked.

Call crowner.

We already have a 13:1 ratio, so let's call the crowner already.

While we start working on redefining the trope, I gotta ask, is I Want You to Meet an Old Friend of Mine having the same type of misuse?

Probably. Also, it definitely needs a better description in any case.

Of the new definitions, which one will be tropes and which ones will be Trivia?

Actor-Shared Background should definitely be Trivia at the very least. It requires more specific knowledge not related to works of fiction.

Not sure about the other two.

Casting Gag I think should also be trivia, because the humor comes from a relationship of the character to their actor. I think Actor Allusion can be a main trope because even though it does invoke actors' other roles it is as individual characterization so more like a targeted kind of expy that can have meta allusions but still is notable without the real world knowledge.

"a scenario where an entire role mirrors/parodies an entire previous role or RL situation of the actor. A conscious casting choice can be assumed. This can also apply to cameos."

That does not require any out-of-media knowledge to know. You could be a fan of this actor and watch all of their shows and know this, or you could be someone who happens to like all of the shows they happen to be in and know this. Or just coincidentally know this if you happen to watch enough of their work.

Strange that it's also for "a RL situation" of the actor, but the crowner's already been called.

Meanwhile, the crowner's definition of Actor Allusion is also not trivia, for the same reason. Except it's an "isolated" occurrence, which I guess means it's a one-time thing.

edited 26th Jan '18 3:18:47 PM by WaterBlap

That comes from the original definitions back when Casting Gag and Actor Allusion were split: casting gag being humor like an in joke by the casting directors based on known history of an actor against the character (humorous for a big meat eater to be played by a vegetarian actor, for example: the joke was about the actor through the production's ironic casting choice). Casting gag was the actor-facing version whereas Actor Allusion was the equivalent referring only to similarities (of all scales) between roles (in work x they played a vegan, in work y they play a butcher who gets converted to the ideology of their character in work x).

I bet Those Two Actors and You Look Familiar are also having some misuse as well.

When will the descriptions be changed and wicks cleaned? (If it's too early for that, sorry).

You Look Familiar, as far as I've seen it used, is fine. Though sometimes it is used as its actual opposite.

Those Two Actors may need some cleanup, as it has a lot of ZCE wicks that may or may not be misuse.

No, good question. I don't know. For Actor-Shared Background I think the only thing that needs changing is to remove the "subtrope to Actor Allusion" line.

edited 29th Jan '18 5:17:55 PM by lakingsif

Perhaps OP should take ownership here.

Yep, let's get Berrenta back into this.

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