Throw Away Guns seems to have two separate tropes in one on the page, detailed below. One is about a character literally throwing their guns away to quickly reload during a firefight, as the picture of Neo shows in the current article. As Larkmarn says in the discussion page, this would "make the character come off as cool and so in control he doesn't have to care about reloading." The other is about throwing an empty weapon at an enemy in desperation, ala Throwing Your Sword Always Works, though it seems the balance of the examples (and the one in the description) would be more akin to "Throwing Your Gun Never Works"

edited 7th Feb '17 8:29:31 AM by Mouren

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Seems like there are 2 tropes here. Out Of Ammo Discard Gun and Throwing Your Gun Might Work.

There are some examples that are both, like Borderlands 2 has guns that are thrown and explode when you reload the gun, but there are a ton of examples where it's just I don't care I Have Reserve Guns like Overwatch's Reaper.

Agreed. The Mummy example on Throw Away Guns has both displayed, the first being about reload and the lower two about desperation. I don't know the proper process for fixing this, I've been a long time trope reader and light editor but this would be the first project I've looked at. Any guidance would be appreciated, heh.

Hmm, I think a split isn't necessary...

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I agree that the two tropes OP described are pretty much unrelated, so they shouldn't be covered by the same trope. Looking at the page, my first impression (barring a formal wick check) is that this should be about the casual throwing-them-away-because-you're-so-cool. The throwing a gun at the enemy out of desperation trope can go to TLP with the examples from this page.

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I like this proposal.

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That's five in favour of splitting and one against.

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Six.

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Throwing Your Gun Always Works is now on the TLP.

They are both different reasons to throw a gun, but they both involve throwing a gun away. I don't think a split into two pages is really necessary.

At most it should be like

Examples Not reloading

• blackbeard
• etc

Examples of being unable to reload

• superman
• etc

And I really don't think all that is necessary, since a character could just as easily do both(there was some robot show, maybe Gundam, where the robot threw its gun almost out of ammo at the enemy to shoot it with something with more rounds). There are two different tropes in play, but they are two different tropes that can easily overlap.(there was also some comedy movie where the two combatants alternated between trying to shoot each other and trying to hit each other with emptied guns)

edited 25th Dec '17 6:43:21 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

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No, they don't. One is "throw away the useless gun" and the other is "assault the enemy with a thrown weapon".

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There is throw your gun AT the enemy which causes the enemy to duck or shield themselves, in the old Superman series they always ran out of ammo and tried firing a couple times then threw it then tried to punch him.

Then there is DROPPING your guns cause they are out of ammo and usually grabbing another gun and keeping up the fire.

There are examples that can be both tropes yes but those are rare, like the Borderlands series would be both with its set of guns that to reload you throw the gun and it explodes like a grenade then a new one is transported to your hand with full ammo or whatever your remaining ammo is.

edited 2nd Feb '18 7:51:57 AM by Memers

Throwing guns as a projectile could be a sister trope to Throwing Your Sword Always Works

If we want to rename throwing away a empty gun in favor of drawing or scavenging a new one it could be named New York Reload since that's the real-world slang for it.

edited 6th Feb '18 11:03:12 AM by shoboni

Throwaway Guns sounds right for that though.

My issue with it is that we're using a made-up/Exactly Whatit Says On The Tin name for something that has a well-known real-world term that would apply after the trope split.

I question the "well-known" part. Also, searching the wiki, there are two tropes which claim to be "also known as the New York Reload"—this, and Guns Akimbo.

Furthermore, despite two tropes claiming this alternate name, there are only two or three mentions of it anywhere else on the wiki. It certainly doesn't seem to be well-known among tropers.

Checking Google, I'm not seeing a lot of results, and what there are seem to mostly be from gun-enthusiast sites. Suggesting this is a specialist term, not a widely-known general purpose term. And while we do often use specialist terms, we generally do so with publishing and media production terms. Not gun-enthusiast terms.

(And even among gun enthusiasts, I would bet it's mainly known in the US. We cater to an international audience.)

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Then that part needs removed from Guns Akimbo because it's dead wrong. A New York Reload is the act of drawing another gun instead of reloading of unjamming a primary weapon. Usually applied to a handgun and a back-up handgun.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/New_York_reload

it comes from the practice of old-school NYPD carrying a second gun instead of relying on a speed-loader to reload a revolver under stress in a firefight.

edited 7th Feb '18 12:57:22 PM by shoboni

I agree that the page should be split.

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