FanPreferredCouple Cleanup

Fan-Preferred Couple absolutely can also be a Broken Base causer at the same time. I've been in multiple other fandoms where that's been the case. Often the fact that it's such an overwhelming FPC is exactly why it becomes so hated by non-FPC fans^* A common situation is that FPC status gets to its fans' heads which makes them greedy and arrogant, becoming incredibly toxic towards anyone who dares not ship the FPC for committing what they consider heresy. This in turn leads to resentment from others against the FPC due to terrible behavior from its' fanbase, and because the FPC's fandom's size makes it difficult to shut down the toxicity.. That's not a reason to pull down FPC entries. We don't need an ROCEJ marker, as said before the issues are closer to Natter or Justifying Edit than the issue itself being too polemic. Just leave a comment asking them to come to this thread instead.

The actual reason Olicity would not qualify for Fan-Preferred Couple anymore, is that it eventually became canon, and FPC is ships preferred to the canon options. That said, I do think some mention of Olicity's FPC status should be on the YMMV page, since YMMV is about documenting audience responses.

So, IMO we should have a single entry under Broken Base in which we point out that Olicity was such an overwhelming FPC that the creators made it canon over their original intended ship, and that while it's still technically the most popular ship, it's very divisive for the various reasons mentioned.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 10th 2020 at 5:37:04 AM

I think (and have often said in the past) that this site has a very large problem with trying to make tropes and trope examples "timeless" when they really shouldn't be. I'd opposed cutting a Fan-Preferred Couple example that was true at one time even if it later became canon.

I also think, incidentally, that this reinforces the idea mentioned once or twice in this thread that Fan-Preferred Couple is a bad name, because there are definitely more than a few examples that fit the letter of the current definition without being remotely "preferred" outside of it.

Edited by nrjxll on Oct 10th 2020 at 3:47:55 AM

Just keep it under Broken Base entry and that's it. Nuke the fan preferred couple entry at this point. Putting such a despised ship as this feels weird anyway.

The name is really bad. I agree there. I would love to change it. How would one do that?

Moving the entry to Broken Base is fine with me. Saves me a headache and removes massive complaining. However brings up a good point. Though the entry as is it's still leaning towards more the more negative side in a very bashy way.

Anyone else here familiar with the American Horror Story fandom? As I noticed something that is technically this trope. But it's confusing. In a way I have never seen before in a single series.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 10th 2020 at 10:12:07 AM

I agree. Just move the entry to Broken Base and eliminate it entirely from FPC, with a comment not to add it back. The ship is simply too divisive even for an overwhelming FPC.

Sorry, Bullman. Not familiar with AHS.

Edited by Nyame on Oct 10th 2020 at 11:44:32 AM

I will handle the moving once my computer is fixed hopefully tommorow or Monday.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 10th 2020 at 11:40:38 AM

You can take the trope to TRS after a wick check. Admittedly, I started one a while back since this trope absolutely needs some fixing, but I’ve been busy so I haven’t got around to finishing it yet.

The entry in YMMV.Vocaloid is pretty much "a list of popular ships", especially since there's no real Canon in the "Franchise", unless it's referring to a particular song/series.

Cut all of them. Looking them over they are just listing popular ships.

Can a Crack Ship or Ships That Pass in the Night be this as well? I don't personally see why not as the only requirements is that it be none canon and in some way more popular than the Creator Preferred pairing. However I remember someone a while back using that against a ship counting. So let's discuss this.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 11th 2020 at 1:26:55 PM

Edit: Sorry. Wrong thread.

I moved the Olicity entry. But I didn't know how to do a commented out note.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 11th 2020 at 4:08:47 AM

I feel like because Olicity, from what I can tell, was a fundamental representive of this trope even though it eventually became canon, it’s still fitting to include it. The entry just needs a little work.

Again, people really need to stop trying to make trope examples timeless.

and That doesn't answr the question about the fact it became so hated that many people think it's what killed the show. Don't you think adding such a despised ship that invokes flame wars is a bad idea.

Like I said, that's more an indication that Fan-Preferred Couple is kind of a crappy name than anything. It met the definition at one point.

If what you're trying to say is that merely having the example will provoke edit warring... well, we do have a ban function for a reason. Loony fans should never be allowed to hold this site hostage.

It was a case of Be Careful What You Wish For....

I should note that I agree with about the name. How do we change it? And I don't think an example should be timeless. We still have Harry/Hermione listed despite that ship not being popular anymore and having the same hatedom as Olicity. I would note that again despite Olicity developed a hatedom, it still has a very sizable fanbase that no other Arrow ship has. But most agreed to cut and it saves me a headache of dealing with it any further.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 11th 2020 at 9:09:05 AM

I agree that trying keep examples "timeless" is a bad idea. We should be able to note things that were examples but aren't anymore.

That's exactly why the FPC label is still decently accurate, as it is for several other controversial FP Cs. Even if they're controversial and may be hated by what seems like everyone else, their own fans that propelled them to FPC status still go on strong, and are often in part responsible for the hatedom because of their ongoing behavior.

Though there are some instances where large groups of the ship's fandom will eventually turn on the FPC if things get bad enough, Olicity does not seem to be one of these.

Ahem from the ymmv page and this is accurate btw

That's the thing I don't really think it is. AO3, FF.net, Tumblr, Twitter, and YouTube still has legions of olicity fans. Saying that everyone but the most hardcore left is a stretch in my opinion, since the evidence doesn't like up to right now, and down right insulting to those fans by pretty much calling them a cult. But again I am not one of them. I down right hate the trope. But the YMMV page is full of outright bassing towards Olicity and Felicity in general. I can't help but feel we are letting our bias towards allow us to misinterpreted the fanbase when it comes to this trope. However I really don't care, and if I am out ruled that's fine.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 12th 2020 at 8:16:44 AM

Proof ? You keep citing fan fiction but that is not at all proof of what a fandom as a whole feels. Even ignoring that. Your not giving any evidence they feel that now as opposed to say being in the past. This is a bad faith argument.

And we're is your proof that they still don't. You are going off a page that is full of basing. I have braught up serval sites where they still gather today and have just as much positive said about the ship as nagetive. And secondly I said I really don't care. I'm not trying to argue that it still counts and I really don't like the ship. I am just stating my opinion and I am not doing it in bad faith as I don't care either way. I'm fine with it staying off.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 12th 2020 at 8:28:35 AM

From only a page back

Again I am not arguing for it to be added back. And I am not sure why we are still talking this. I'm happy to get the flame bait out of here and I really don't care. Can we please move on.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 12th 2020 at 8:59:38 AM

If I may pitch in my two cents, I do agree examples don’t need to be timeless. Obviously, Olicity doesn’t count anymore - it wouldn’t count anymore either way due to becoming an Official Couple - but if it counted at one point, I think it should have an entry for when it was one.

Edited by Oshawott337 on Oct 12th 2020 at 12:42:19 PM