Logan

Official trailer is up.

The trailer is pretty good.

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

The international trailer.

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Happy Ending Override or Alternate Universe?

Wouldn't be the X-Men if life weren't fucking over the mutant race somehow.

But seriously, the Xmen fought tooth and nail to prevent a shit future just to run smack into another one? Unless there's a healthy anti-nihilist message Fox wants to get across, or a twist where Logan or Laura is in some kind of advanced Danger Room simulation, this just seems like a pessimism for edginess's sake.

It's a case of Logan's narrative clashing with the franchise's. Logan becoming a washed-out old, wounded warrior in a broken world is practically the only way his narrative can end (I'm trying to rememember a influential comic story that doesn't portray Logan as that in the future), so the Happy Ending Override was a side-effect.

But who knows, the trailers didn't address why mutants are gone. Maybe they're all just locked up underneath the vault of the main villains and in the climax Logan frees them or somesuch.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Maybe they should've named it "The Last of Logan" or "The Logan of Us."

Neither are particularly good, but both are true

I liked it.

Unless the X-verse runs on multiverse logic. This doomed future might be the original timeline where the first trilogy, The Wolverine and Days of Future Past take place. This movie would have to be set before Do FP though.

edited 20th Oct '16 8:29:06 AM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

For what it's worth, I loved the trailer. Excellent song choice, and gives off a excellent vibe of "action-drama road movie" with lots of focus on the drama.

It's a uncommon narrative for superhero films. The old hero coming to terms with his own mortality.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Agreed. Reminds me of The Last of Us in a good way.

Especially because it's generally assumed that Logan is immortal due to his healing factor. This looks to be a vastly different movie from not just the other X-Men movies, but also any other superhero movie.

As for influences, I definitely see Old Man Logan, but I can also see Death of Wolverine, too. In OML, he was much older, with a wife and children — in DOW, he lost his healing factor for about a year and all the pain is catching up to him.

Logan's mortality is always a interesting concept, because, as you said, he's immortal. He's seen so much, fought in so many wars. It's always a interesting question when he'll put a final stop to it all.

My only real shame is that it appears Sabretooth isn't in it. It's Logan's final ride, I'd really want to see him close his relationship with his archenemy. Also a shame we're not seeing Yukio again either, given she was the best character in The Wolverine.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Yeah, but Laura/ X-23 is in it, which is awesome.

The Mutants are constantly facing extinction in the comics as well. Seriously, it seems to happen to them like every other month. Also there's like 12 different post-apocalyptic futures in the various Marvel multi-verses. Really Marvel cannot seem to move the X-franchise past that status-quo for any length of time even in the comics.

Anyway how fitting that James Mangold would use a Johnny Cash song rendition for one of his movies.

Oh yeah and X-23, FINALLY!!

edited 20th Oct '16 10:19:55 AM by Punisher286

Seeing how often the mutant race is in peril kind of makes you think maybe Magneto and the X-Men both just kind of suck at their jobs.

There's also the fact that Marvel likes to depict the ordinary people of the MU as bigoted jerks to an almost cartoonishly absurd degree most of the time.

Donald Trump became the Republican presidential nominee on a platform whose opening salvo was 'Fuck Mexico and everybody from there.'

Also in the comics Marvel is stupid and purposely killing off the mutants and replacing them with Inhumans.

The thing in the comics that is creating tons of Inhumans makes Mutants sterile and slowly kills them off.

I know after "Death of X" Marvel is having something else that has the X-Men logo and the Inhumans logo together but I'm not sure if it would fix it.

edited 20th Oct '16 10:37:33 AM by Halberdier17

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

I mean, like, they just announced four new X-books (Iceman, Weapon X, Jean Grey, and Generation X), so probably not.

So is the villain with the metal hand Donald Pierce?

The very same.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Mr. Sinister is supposedly involved in some way as well.

Happy ending override is going to really bug me, I'd prefer it is Logan and Charles were dealing with mutant kind not needing them anymore. But, Bleh.

I do find the road movie genre fascinating. It's uniquely American; you can't do those stories here in Britain. So I'm looking forward to it.

Sabertooth's actor did say he was in this film, but perhaps it's just a minor role given this trailer.

Edit: someone on reddit pointed out that Patrick's make up was intended to make him look like he's in his late nineties. Which, time wide, would suggest some of this film takes place around the year 2040 given that Charles was in his early twenties in the sixties.

Which would place this film, what, 15 years after the last scene of Do FP?

Also a few people are saying that the Wikipedia synopsis hasn't been confirmed. There's speculation that Mr Sinister's plot is actually to use his Logan clone to bring back mutants.

edited 20th Oct '16 11:16:06 AM by Whowho

"It's uniquely American; you can't do those stories here in Britain."

Well you could but like half an hour into it you'd be in France

Australia does them quite a bit as well. But then again, that's pretty much the perfect place to do stories like this (even more so than the US in many ways).