Netflix Daredevil

https://deadline.com/2018/09/marvel-daredevil-new-york-comic-con-runaways-the-gifted-1202457426/

Daredevil coming to NYCC. Also, there are now rumblings that the embargo for early screeners will lift on October 12th. So, maybe October 19th for Daredevil? December is clearly out because I don't think Netflix wants Daredevil up against Runaways.

Our first teaser!

Now, I believe that Daredevil season 3 will come out on October 19th. Here's my logic.

First off, this show has to come out at some point between October 5th and November 2nd. Why you ask? Well come down the rabbit hole with me:

This is a quote from Netflix CEO Ted Sarandos regarding the shows that Netflix will be releasing during this upcoming quarter:

"In the short term, we've got new seasons coming up, in the second half of this year, of Orange is the New Black, Ozark, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Narcos, the finale of House of Cards, the follow-up series to Making a Murderer..."

So far the shows he listed have been released in that very order.

• Orange Is The New Black dropped its latest season on July 27th.

• Ozark released on August 31st

• Iron Fist season 2 released on September 7th

So far, October doesn't have much for Netflix TV announced besides Big Mouth on October 5th. Both Daredevil and Narcos were listed after Iron Fist season 2, and before House Of Cards season 6 (House of Cards is confirmed to come out on November 2nd). Hence, both Daredevil and Narcos are highly likely to have their new seasons be released in between October 5th and November 2nd. Daredevil can't come out any earlier than October 12th because that's the day the review embargo is officially lifted. Ted Sarandos, Cindy Holland, and other Netflix execs, they've described Daredevil season 3 as a "return to form" for the series.^note Which I take to mean as "We're getting the show back to being focused on the main players and on telling its own story, rather than focus on setting up two spinoffs as was the case with season 2" Hence, I imagine they'll want to get the reviews out to people sooner rather than later. That's why screener copies are already circulating.

Netflix shows almost always get released on Fridays^note There are exceptions; Jessica Jones season 2 was released on Thursday, March 8th, 2018 because that was International Women's Day. So with that I will say that Daredevil Season 3 will come out on October 19th. That's one week after the embargo lifts, two weeks after a second trailer and other footage is shown at NYCC^note I think they'll drop another official trailer at some point in mid- to late September, and one and a half months after Iron Fist season 2 (the fact that they've released the first Daredevil tease today with that "missing" poster of Matt suggests that they might even have a teaser trailer for season 3 coming at the end of Iron Fist season 2). And Narcos will come out on October 26th.

The panel for Daredevil season 3 will be on Saturday, October 6 at the Hulu Theatre in Madison Square Garden, and will feature Charlie Cox, Deborah Ann Woll, Elden Henson, Vincent D'Onofrio, Joanne Whalley, Jay Ali, Wilson Bethel, Erik Oleson and Jeph Loeb.

Edited by dmcreif on Sep 7th 2018 at 2:47:54 PM

First teaser is out and boy, Matt Murdock still can't catch a break.

"I'd rather die as the devil...than live as Matt Murdock."

What's interesting to see is Matt is back in his black season 1 costume. Guess that goes to say that his red suit was badly damaged in Midland Circle.

Honestly, I'm thinking that Karen must have kept the original suit around as a tragic keepsake.^note 'Cause there's no way I can think of that could allow Matt to get the black suit from the convent Sidenote, I hope Karen is the first to learn that Matt is still alive, because she's more suited to this secret-keeping thing than Foggy is. And I hope that happens early on, because Matt stands the best chance of going after Fisk if he has Karen's help. They probably won't let Foggy and Marci know until later in the season.

From all the praise that I've seen the actors give towards the writing, I'd say that the season 3 team that Erik Oleson is helming has learned from their past mistakes with season 2. Bringing back Fisk and focusing back on crime and corruption is a good step in the right direction. Another good step will hopefully be for a lot of focus on Matt's relationships with Karen and Foggy, because those were really neglected in the back part of season 2 and in The Defenders.

And not to double post, but that teaser scene seems a little creepy, honestly. Is Matt talking to himself? 'Cause I seriously doubt Father Lantom would talk to him so late at night. Part of me actually was like, “that’s how you probably sound when your priest has just been brutally murdered." Considering I've heard there's a big fight scene in a church late in the season, I wouldn't be surprised if Father Lantom gets iced.

Edited by dmcreif on Sep 8th 2018 at 5:07:15 AM

You should probably just spoiler everything after "'Cause" in that last post, otherwise it's not really spoilering anything, yeah? But Bullseye is definitely going to kill somebody and I'm really hoping it's not Karen, so Father Lantom seems like a safe bet. I hope that church fight has them battling on top of a pipe organ. And that Bullseye kills an old lady with an M&M.

Man In Black, still a good look. So... Shadowland, then? It seems pretty clear that Matt was Substanced back to life.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 8th 2018 at 8:38:08 AM

"It seems pretty clear that he was Substanced back to life."

I don't think that's gonna be how it went. They're phasing the Hand material out of Daredevil and switching back to more street-level stories, so I doubt that will end up being the explanation– if it’s even explained at all.* I know that at one point during production, they were filming on the block used for Midland Circle's exteriors. So it's possible that we will get to see the details of how Matt survived. But my left brain feels they'll just gloss over that and just jump right into the main plot.

*I'm more inclined to believe that Matt just survived through pure luck and Plot Armor. Main characters usually have this sort of good luck, and it wouldn’t be the first time he miraculously survived something that should've killed him (see:when Frank shot him in the head, or when Nobu sliced him with kyoketsu-shoge).

Edited by dmcreif on Sep 8th 2018 at 5:25:49 AM

I think if anything it's more likely we'll have Shadowland against Luke Cage, given how his show ends on a dark "I'm the bad guy now" note and Misty hints that she could need some help to bring down Luke in the future towards the end of Iron Fist s2.

I was thinking they might split it up a bit, shuffle a few things around, as they seem to do. Gotta get Born Again and Murdock Papers in there somehow too, right? I still don't expect Luke to go all the way bad, but I could see the idea of Matt Coming Back Wrong playing into his slow slide into darkness upon his return. Whether it's a supernatural entity or his own inner demons, the Beast in Matt Murdock is very real.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 8th 2018 at 8:41:48 AM

Those Murdock boys got the devil in them.

They wouldn’t actually need any supernatural triggers to turn Matt homicidal, if they're going that way, since it’s actually built into a number of the darker DD arcs, including “Born Again”. Matt has been driven insane through artificial means, yes (like when he got gassed with Mysterio's neurotoxin in "Guardian Devil") but it’s also one of his natural reactions to having his life destroyed.

It was probably a pretty smart move on the writers' part that Matt's role as a working lawyer would be tenuous and crumbling by the time The Defenders came along. It makes his disappearance impact less people and require less explanation and thus mostly reduces the need for Karen or Foggy to make convoluted stories for Matt's disappearance (like happens in the comics every time Matt fakes his death, which is one of his favorite pastimes, the other being press conferences and mental meltdowns). Probably the only person who wouldn't be fooled by these cover stories would be Marci, because I don't believe Foggy could easily hide his grief from her forever.

I think, however they handle Matt's return, he's most likely going to be reaching out to Karen first and they'll be working on their own to investigate Fisk for the first couple episodes. Foggy and Marci will find out maybe about four or five episodes in. As far as arcs they're adapting as source material for season 3, I've actually heard rumors that they're adapting elements from the arc where Foggy runs for District Attorney into this season. There might be some "Death's Head" incorporated into Karen's backstory when we finally see it.

Remember that Daredevil season 3 teaser that they put at the end of Iron Fist season 2? Well, Netflix just posted it on their YouTube channel, and on the official Daredevil Twitter page. They're wasting no time getting started on promoting season 3 now that Iron Fist season 2 is out, and we're less than a month away from New York Comic Con.

Vincent D'Onofrio's been saying on Twitter in the past few days that he's eager to start the press tour so he can gush about the awesome things Fisk will be doing this season. I've seen Deborah Ann Woll, Amy Rutberg, Erik Oleson, Geoffrey Cantor and others saying pretty much the same on their Twitter feeds.

I still expect it to be a december release

This says otherwise: https://twitter.com/BabarSTV/status/1037272634197729281

"As #IronFist season 2 reviews start going out, #Daredevil season 3 review embargo lifts October 12th. Take from that what you will..."

Actually, Netflix Thailand just slipped the date as October 19th.◊

Edited by dmcreif on Sep 11th 2018 at 10:58:04 AM

Well, then it looks like we get it earlier than I would have expected. way earlier.

I don't think it's surprising, since Daredevil filmed concurrently with Iron Fist and both shows wrapped in May. Daredevil started filming a full month earlier than Iron Fist, due to having 13 episodes instead of 10. At the same time, though, it looks like both shows had similar post-production times, due to Daredevil not needing as much effects work as Iron Fist.

It is unusual that we'd see two shows come out this close apart, but let's not forget that had the Las Vegas shooting not happened, The Punisher would've been released in mid-October 2017, a mere two months after The Defenders.

Well, I kind of assumed that they shot together so that you can have certain actors on side for both shows. Turk for example.

I'm guessing this was an accidental leak and they were planning on saving up the release date for Charlie Cox to officially announce at NYCC. Netflix Thailand just didn't get the memo.

Kinda like when Charlie Cox's physical trainer accidentally revealed that Wilson Bethel is Bullseye by tagging "#Bullseye" in a (since-deleted) Instagram photo of him with Cox and Bethel after a workout.

Speaking of that, I've heard that Matt will not be returning to his red costume at all this season. He'll be in his old season 1 costume for the entirety of the season. Which seems understandable at the start since the red costume must've been heavily damaged during the fight with Elektra under Midland Circle. But the fact that he has the black costume up to the very end of the season, combined with that leaked photo that's out there of Matt hunting what looks like Bullseye dressed as Red-Suit Daredevil in the Bulletin newsroom, those tell me that the reason he won't be able to get a new costume is because Fisk gets to Melvin first. They've teased a potential for Melvin to become the Gladiator (hell, he was wearing the Gladiator armor under his shirt when Matt visited him in "Penny and Dime" to get his new helmet), and I think whatever Fisk has planned in store will be able to do that. And IM Db has a listed stunt double for Matt Gerald in a couple of episodes.

I might be in the minority there but I never liked his red costume anyway. The only thing which was kind of okay was how they integrated the hornets, but I felt it was pretty stupid that he had lamps for eyes added by someone who isn't supposed to know that he is blind. Hopefully they go back to the drawing board and come up with something in which Charlie Cox looks more slick after the black costume.

Nah, I wound up liking the original costume a lot more, even though In-Universe it was pretty dumb to advertise the fact he can't see.

While making it out of leather was, y'know, insane, I did think the Affleck Daredevil costume worked well. I liked the one-piece ceramic mask, the obvious seams, belt, and laces, and the open neck actually looked pretty good — much like it does with his man-in-black headwrap. It looked homemade but functional.

See, what I think I like about the black suit is that, well, it's sexier and shows off his curves a lot more especially in the rain... nevermind, that's what Karen probably thinks of the black suit.

On a more practical level, I feel the black costume is better because it doesn't have the protection of the red costume, putting Matt more at risk for being tagged when fighting. Plus, he's much faster and more agile without the armor. As he said to Claire in 1x04, armor just would slow him down. This sort of mask is also beneficial for fight scenes because it's easy for Chris Brewster to seamlessly switch with Charlie Cox.

Something in general I'd also love to see is for Matt to do a costume change on-camera. Have you ever noticed across Daredevil and The Defenders that Matt's costume changes have always taken place offscreen (there's an interview somewhere where Charlie Cox has said that the amount of parts on the costume have made onscreen changes infeasible)? I'd love to see Matt do a change into or out of the black costume on-camera for once during season 3.

We should also see press/promo stuff with the cast starting soon, now that King of Thieves has come out and Charlie Cox is freed up from doing press for that.

So, no chance for the good old yellow and red, huh?

At some point in the comics, Matt has a newer black and red costume. I wouldn't mind seeing that.

But honestly the costume change could be as simple as Matt having to distance himself from the impostor. Born again did a bit where Kingpin put a dangerous madman in a Daredevil costume to smear his reputation.

Which seems weird here because Daredevil doesn't seem to really be liked by the police at all.