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#1751: May 6th 2019 at 12:52:23 AM

[up][up]that's why you have to deplatform people who spread that kind of thing before the rhetoric takes hold and it becomes too late.

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#1752: May 6th 2019 at 7:05:51 AM

And, the idiotic backlash has begun in Sri Lanka. And it's not even been a month!

Christian and Islamic Mobs clash in town rocked by Easter Bombings.

Gotta love that tribal mentality, folks. And the comments section for that news article is the icing on top of the cake of stupid.

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#1753: May 6th 2019 at 9:27:00 AM

I looked at the comments sections expecting 4chan behavior, and sadly I was not disappointed.

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#1754: Jul 21st 2019 at 8:34:18 PM

Illinois GOP group deletes post depicting Democratic congresswomen as 'The Jihad Squad' – The group's president says he regrets that the Facebook post was a "distraction" from discussions about the four "socialist" lawmakers.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/illinois-gop-group-deletes-post-depicting-democratic-congresswomen-jihad-squad-n1032181

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#1755: Aug 5th 2019 at 1:07:07 AM

VICE had this documentary on the Uighurs.

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#1756: Oct 28th 2019 at 7:38:47 PM

AFP reported an incident in Bayonne.

An 84-year-old former candidate for France's ultra-right party shot and wounded two men in their seventies Monday as he attacked a mosque, prompting the government to express "solidarity" with Muslims hours after railing against Islamic "separatism".

The octogenarian attacked the mosque as two men were preparing it for afternoon prayers, Bayonne mayor Jean-Rene Etchegaray told AFP at the scene.

The man "approached the building by car and threw an incendiary device against the side door of the mosque," he said. "The two people came out, he shot at them, hitting one in the neck and the other in the chest and arm. He then fled."

The victims, aged 74 and 78, were rushed to a nearby hospital with serious injuries, police said.

The man was tracked thanks to his number plate to his home town of Saint-Martin-de-Seignanx, a settlement of some 5,000 people just 16 kilometres (10 miles) from Bayonne, a popular tourist destination in France's Basque country.

A source close to the investigation identified the man as Claude Sinke, and said he had admitted to being the shooter. He had also set fire to a car outside the mosque.

Sinke had stood as a candidate for Marine Le Pen's National Front in 2015 regional elections, according to the official list.

President Emmanuel Macron said he "firmly condemns" what he termed a "heinous attack," in a tweet Monday evening.

"The Republic will never tolerate hatred," he said. "Everything will be done to punish the perpetrators and protect our Muslim compatriots. I commit myself to it."

Interior Minister Christophe Castaner, in turn, offered "solidarity and support to the Muslim community".

Le Pen, for her part, labelled the attack "an unspeakable act", and said it was "absolutely contrary to the values of our movement."

Her National Rally said it had not been in contact with Sinke for months and said he was "no longer a member".

The mosque has been cordoned off for investigations and a bomb squad was sent to Sinke's home. A team of psychologists was deployed to the mosque and the hospital to provide trauma care for witnesses.

- Three weapons -

Police told AFP the man had three sub-military grade weapons, which he had declared to investigators.

The incident came just hours after Macron had urged France's Muslims to step up the fight against "separatism" in the wake of the latest attack by an Islamist radical on French soil, in which a police employee stabbed four colleagues to death earlier this month.

Macron, a centrist whose main political rival at home is Le Pen, has sought to show he is serious in cracking down on Islamic radicalism after that attack.

In a pre-recorded interview with RTL radio broadcast on Monday, the president said he planned to fight, alongside Muslim leaders, against religious sectarianism and resistance among some French Muslims to integrate.

"It is a fact that a form of separatism has taken root in some places in our Republic, in other words a desire to not live together and to not be in the Republic," he said.

"It is in the name of a religion, namely Islam," he said before meeting members of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM).

The October 3 attack reignited a national debate about secularism, as a politician from Le Pen's party asked a woman accompanying her son and other children on a school trip to remove her headscarf, describing it as an "Islamist provocation".

Religion and extremism often get confounded in the ongoing debate as the country seeks to come to terms with a wave of jihadist attacks on its soil since 2015.

Dozens of mosques were targeted by arsonists, but also with firebombs, grenades or even gunfire, after the first in a series of attacks by Islamist radicals — that of 12 people at the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine.

But Muslim sites were intermittently targeted even before then.

In 2007, 148 Muslim headstones in a national military cemetery near Arras were smeared with anti-Islamic slurs and a pig's head was placed among them.

In March this year, workers building a mosque in the small southwestern town of Bergerac found a pig's head and animal blood at the entrance to the site — two weeks after a gunman killed 50 Muslims in Christchurch, New Zealand, in a shooting spree at two mosques.

CFCM leader Abdallah Zekri said there was "a great deal of concern" among France's Muslims, adding attacks like the one on Monday were "not surprising given the climate of stigmatisation of Islam and Muslims".

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#1757: Feb 27th 2020 at 2:21:06 AM

Stuff is happening in Delhi:

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#1758: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:47:15 AM

Muslims in India are protesting the new citizenship law, which they feel unfairly discriminates against them. There are reports of nationalist mobs confronting the protesters and violence resulting.

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#1759: Aug 17th 2020 at 3:59:26 AM

https://chinaafricaproject.com/analysis/most-african-states-quietly-take-chinas-side-in-xinjiang-battle-at-the-united-nations/

A CAP article on why African countries, especially those with Muslim populations, don't dare to bring up the Xinjiang question.

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#1760: Aug 17th 2020 at 6:31:33 AM

Some context: "A duel erupted at the United Nations on Tuesday between rival factions who oppose and support China’s treatment of the predominantly Muslim Uyghur minority in Xinjiang. On one side, the US, UK and most other Western countries renewed their criticism of China for committing well-documented human rights abuses in Xinjiang.

On the same day, a coalition of 54 countries, including a number of African states, submitted a joint statement, written by Belarus, that defended China’s policies in Xinjiang. Egypt and the DR Congo were among the countries specifically named in the statement."

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#1761: Aug 17th 2020 at 7:00:56 AM

Or in other words; said countries can't safely challenge China.

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#1762: Aug 17th 2020 at 7:15:29 AM

Couple more reasons:

  • Many Muslim-majority countries are dealing with their own separatist movements and "trouble" minorities, be it Turkey with the Kurds or Indonesia with West Papua. Aside from the whole issue with throwing stones in glass houses, it also means that their national Overton windows tend to broadly accept the idea that nation-state integrity trumps human rights concerns, leading their leadership to take the CCP's side.
  • Some of the most vocal advocates for the Uyghur cause in these countries are fringe ultraconservative/pan-Islamist groups that neither the government nor the mainstream populace like to associate with. When the people speaking out the loudest on the issue in your neighbourhood are the same ones unironically speaking out against, say, putting women in leadership positions, the average layperson is bound to wonder whether these foreigners they keep bringing up weren't a bunch of extremists, too.

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#1763: Aug 29th 2020 at 6:42:11 AM

Thing are heating up throughout Sweden after a koran was burned. Riots happened in Malmo, but are now quiet.

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#1764: Sep 10th 2020 at 11:02:26 PM

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2020-09-10/long-shadow-xinjiang?utm_campaign=ln_daily_soc&utm_source=linkedIn_posts&utm_medium=social

FA has an article on Xinjiang on how individual Muslims and civil society groups are raising awareness despite their governments being quiet.

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#1765: Sep 10th 2020 at 11:09:39 PM

So I was looking up some background information about The Three Body Problem given that it's going to have a Netflix series adaptation soon.

The very fact that I'm posting in this thread should be an indication that it's not good news.

Apparently, the author of the books, Liu Cixin, gave an interview with The New Yorker last year. When asked about the plight of the Uyghur people, he said this:

“Would you rather that they be hacking away at bodies at train stations and schools in terrorist attacks? If anything, the government is helping their economy and trying to lift them out of poverty.”

Edited by M84 on Sep 11th 2020 at 2:11:16 AM

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#1767: Sep 11th 2020 at 3:50:37 AM

Totally bought into it. Not surprised.

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#1768: Sep 11th 2020 at 8:51:15 AM

Yeah, state propaganda and lack of access to alternate sources.

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#1769: Oct 6th 2020 at 8:34:52 PM

https://www.france24.com/en/20200930-beijing-s-crackdown-on-religious-minorities-takes-aim-at-10-000-muslim-utsuls

The Utsuls on Hainan Island are being targeted. Same reason as with the Muslims in Xinjiang.

Edited by Ominae on Oct 7th 2020 at 2:54:41 AM

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#1770: Oct 7th 2020 at 7:44:00 AM

Mmm, never heard of them before. *Googles* Sooo they're Cham people who migrated from Vietnam to Hainan a long time ago? And way too few in number to plausibly pose any kind of "separatist" threat? This sounds like some overzealous local officials trying to earn brownie points with the central government by pulling a mini-Xinjiang.

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#1771: Oct 7th 2020 at 8:06:20 AM

Or perhaps an equivalent to low level Nazis who took carried ou the heavily implied but not explicitly stated wishes of the central leadership ship and started the Holocaust.

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#1772: Oct 7th 2020 at 9:18:30 AM

Thing is, their demographic profile is way different from the other groups being currently targeted. The major forced Sinicisation campaigns target large, historically-independent frontier groups whose strong ethnic/religious identities the CCP deems problematic: Xinjiang Turkics, Tibetans, Southern Mongols. When they sweep up the smaller Muslim groups I'm aware of (Salar, Bonan, Dongxiang, etc.), it's mostly because they live in these regions as well and have cultural ties to the dominant non-Han groups.

The Utsuls are tiny, only a few thousands strong according to Wikipedia. They're not even recognised as an ethnic group by the government (which was why I hadn't heard of them until just now). So overall, this sounds a lot less like something that the central government would direct (or even necessarily care about) and more like local officials taking a look at Xinjiang and thinking "Targeting Muslims is cool now". Which, tbf, gels pretty well with the Xi regime's view of religion as threatening sources of external loyalty.

I do wonder a bit whether this also has to do with their historical ties to Vietnam; China claims the disputed Paracel and Spratly Islands as parts of the Hainan province. But the island is also home to a much larger Indigenous group with Southeast Asian ties (the Hlai people, 1m+ strong) and they don't seem to be targeted beyond the usual stuff making life difficult for ethnic minorities, so...

Edited by eagleoftheninth on Oct 7th 2020 at 9:20:35 AM

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#1773: Oct 10th 2020 at 12:31:14 AM

Hello everyone. First time posting in this thread. I'm a Singaporean muslim who got interested in this topic and have read through the whole thread a couple of days ago. Nice to meeet you.

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#1774: Oct 10th 2020 at 12:56:59 AM

Pleasure to meet someone from Singapore who practices Islam.

I've yet to meet one in person even though I go to Singapore (mostly) to see my doctor, although I've met with some due to my work with a NGO in Manila.

Edited by Ominae on Oct 10th 2020 at 3:34:24 AM

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#1775: Oct 10th 2020 at 1:30:48 AM

[up]Its a pleasure to meet you as well. Us Singaporean muslims are an interesting bunch. A great majority of us are malays, me included. When I was young, I actually assumed that Islam was a malay religion.

Edited by Ohmknight on Oct 10th 2020 at 4:31:00 PM

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