Violations of the Spoiler Policy

Characters.Gravion has quite a few violations, including spoiler tagging trope names and those outside of examples. Can someone look into this?

Edited by gjjones on Mar 30th 2019 at 12:45:20 PM

I removed the spoiler tag covering up the trope name. I also commented out the Zero Context Examples.

Hello, i was told that spoilers aren't allowed in folder tags. Is that correct?

And if they aren't, what about a character who turns out to be a Late-Arrival Spoiler?

From Handling Spoilers:

Edited by Karxrida on Apr 2nd 2019 at 4:12:32 AM

Keep in mind that the character's name alone needs to be a spoiler, unless we're dealing with "The Killer" as a separate folder.

For instance, in RWBY, the existence of Salem is a massive spoiler, but the character's name is not itself a spoiler. In these kinds of cases, it's better to slap a spoiler warning within the folder name.

The only cases in which this policy can screw us is when the name matches or resembles that of another character, giving away that character's relation to someone. Still, the cases in which a name alone actually reveals important information that impacts enjoyment of the work are few and far between.

Found two concealed folder titles in Characters.Sekiro Enemies And Bosses. Are these character names worthy of concealment?

Edited by Albert3105 on Apr 4th 2019 at 4:33:08 AM

We don't conceal character names in folder titles.

The policy gave an exception (not outright concealment, but the folder title must be descriptive enough) if the name itself is a spoiler (e.g. a true identity easily predictable by the work's naming conventions if the name is given out, the name of a Walking Spoiler being identical to a protagonist's or a dead character's for a given narrative reason, etc.). Which is why I've asked - do these qualify as an exception, or should their names be revealed?

Edited by Albert3105 on Apr 4th 2019 at 7:15:34 AM

"Spoiler character" or "spoiler boss" is never okay.

In this specific case (I haven't played the work; I'm going from the descriptions inside their folders) there appears to be absolutely no reason to conceal the final boss's name. The other one already has a folder on another page; merge them.

The page for Connie Swap has multiple all-white entries.

Not against the rules, but it's a sign of possible over-tagging. I don't know the fanfic or its source work, but you've mentioned it in this thread before (nearly a year ago) so I'll assume you've read it - you can remove spoilers from what doesn't need to be tagged.

This is slightly off-topic, but this seems to be my best place for an answer. I happened to dig into the history of Walking Spoiler a little more than strictly necessary, and saw an edit reason claiming that character page folders headed with "Spoiler character" are banned. There happens to be one such character in my current pet work's sheets, but I can't seem to find a clear mention of this ban anywhere else, or any clear indication of what I'm supposed to do with that folder instead.

Does anyone here know where this comes from and what I should be doing?

Edited by Nazetrime on Apr 6th 2019 at 8:52:25 PM

The Handling Spoilers page says that you can use a generic descriptor like "The killer" for the character if their name is a spoiler.

If I had to guess, I'd say the point of the rule is to make it so reading the name of the folder should tell you who the folder is for. If it just says "SPOILER CHARACTER", that doesn't tell you anything about whose tropes are under there, especially if many there are many spoiler characters in the work and all of them have the same folder name.

: It was my edit, and I believe my change was for the better, as "spoiler character" folders are against the rules. A folder titled "spoiler character" forces the reader to open the folder to find out what character it is, which defeats the point of the spoiler.

From Handling Spoilers:

On Characters pages, do not ever conceal the name of a character in a folder or header. ^note You can use descriptors where the character's name would be an inherent spoiler (example: "The Killer").

The proper way to title such a folder, should you wish to warn for spoilers, is "Name (SPOILERS)" or something similar. Should the name in itself be a spoiler, a description is okay. In the case of "the killer" in a murder mystery, it can be either a separate folder for their actions as the killer or simply a referral back to the character's folder.

On some Characters pages, the character entries are split into folders. In this case, while a folder called "spoiler characters" is not technically disallowed (as it does not conceal the name of a character), it's a last resort. As the characters are already split into folders, the spoiler characters, assuming they're a defined group, can simply be put into a folder with the name of that group, warning for spoilers in the folder's title.

Does a group heading count enough as a descriptor to leave a folder titled "SPOILER CHARACTER" as-is? I assume not.

Edited by Tabs on Apr 6th 2019 at 9:52:01 AM

No. The Loophole Abuse solution only works if the folder is (or appears to be) for more than one character. I can't recommend ever using it, as it can't be that hard to come up with a usable name.

I think the agreed-upon naming conventions for folders for characters whose name is a spoiler in itself could use a mention on the Walking Spoiler page, possibly as part of "Note (2)". Characters that qualify for that trope very frequently have a name that is an inherent spoiler (a Walking Spoiler is a character whose very existence is a spoiler, so I have trouble imagining case where their name would not be a spoiler), but not everyone is going to think of going to another page to find out how they are supposed to name a newly created folder for a Walking Spoiler character.

Edited by Nazetrime on Apr 7th 2019 at 2:20:48 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Characters.Blue Gender has spoiler tags in the trope names.

That certainly is wrong and should be fixed.

Characters.The Rise Of Skywalker has Palpatine's name in spoiler tags. Should they be removed?

Palpatine's presence isn't remotely a spoiler, considering the work's pre-release status.

Being used in marketing before the work's release means by definition that it is not a spoiler.

In general, any work that is unreleased should not have spoiler tags on its page. Anything we know about it is either intentionally shown by the creators because they want us to know it before viewing, or a leak (which is not considered a reliable source by this Wiki and not allowed).

Should Characters.My Hero Academia One For All be made Spoilers Off? Recent chapters have given some pretty massive revelations about the true nature of One For All and its users, and as a result there are a lot of spoiler tags on there. The folder for "One For All in general" contains a heading that reads "Quirks assimilated", which is in itself a huge spoiler even with the actual list of assimilated Quirks being hidden in spoiler tags (and I think that having spoiler tags in there in the first place might not be allowed).