Fixing SelfDemonstratingArticles

Fighteer brought up in Ask The Tropers that the main trope articles must be readable before being witty.

Nontheless, there are tropes out there which are self demonstrating, yet aren't clear enough to explain what the trope's about.

A solution is to make these articles not self demonstrating, and, if we want to keep a self-demonstrating version, move that version over to the Self-Demonstrating namespace.

Opposite Day: It uses negatives all over the place. Heck, even the examples themselves.

I don't think Opposite Day is unclear.

And simply being self-demonstrating isn't bad.

edited 29th Dec '13 1:04:33 PM by Madrugada

The general consensus on Ask The Tropers was that Opposite Day went too far.

Making Pardon My Klingon self-demonstrating always annoyed me, because it mixes references to a dozen or so fandoms.

Dinosaur Comics is self demonstrating where an ordinary description may do better.

It self-demonstrates by using the same template comic as the main comic itself.

Heck, it has gotten around the limit of how much width the forums support by using multiple images instead of one.

edited 9th Jan '14 2:49:23 AM by KarjamP

"May do better" - honestly, "It probably doesn't". I would keep that description.

That's why I'm bringing it here.

I'm uncertain if it's okay or not.

By my own standard, a Self Demonstrating article is acceptable if it doesn't affect the readability. This one doesn't really.

Webcomic.Dinosaur Comics is fine as it is. Changing it to paragraphs of text won't make it any clearer.

Unconventional Formatting: Yes, the page's perfectly well suited to be self-demonstrating.

The description is easily comprehensible as-is; I didn't look at the examples.

Yes, but it can be disjointing to some people (I think).

The spoilered out part at least should go. Spoiler tags do not belong in trope descriptions, self-demonstrating or not.

I'm bumping this thread to call attention to the Gratuitous Foreign Language tropes, whose folder labels are in their respective language instead of English. This makes it hard to know which folder corresponds to what if you're not familiar with the language. I did Gratuitous French, but even though I know French, re-organizing the folders to be in alphabetical order after translating their labels was a pain in the ass, so I'm not gonna do the other languages, which I am not as familiar with (at least not right now).

The one to Gratuitous Japanese got around that by mentioning the name in English around brackets ON the form's names AND have said folders be in the English alphabetical order, so that one's technically alright.

Perhaps we can preserve the self demonstrating-ness by having them all follow Gratuitous Japanese's example?

Also, perhaps have the English first so as to be less disjointing.

edited 25th Feb '14 10:09:54 AM by KarjamP

That Pardon My Klingon page looks fine and I personally like it, but that's just my irrelevant opinion.

I like the Dinosaur Comics one but the Opposite Day one is annoying. Even with a self demonstrating description I think the examples need to be normal.

I know.

Heck, it even crept into the examples, if you were to read them!

Does this thread extend to Example as a Thesis pages?

Beacuse I just stumbled across Exiled From Canon and boy does that page describe itself entirely around one (hypothetical) example.

Technically, that's trying to squeeze the thing into the definition on what "Self demonstrating" is.

That belongs in the Trope Description Improvement Drive thread.

edited 9th Mar '14 1:57:01 PM by KarjamP

Accentuate the Negative has ridiculously long folder names as if to invoke Overly Long Gag.

Particularly bad if you're using the new folder system.

I think the self-demonstrating nature of Leaning on the Fourth Wall might need to go.

Um, is any one of us willing to actually go and attempt to do the cleanups instead of just reporting them?

I fixed the examples in Opposite Day, but I left the description as-is for now; while fixing the examples, though, I noticed that the description has led to some minor misunderstandings of the trope — does it refer to the concept of Opposite Day specifically, or any situation where people constantly say the opposite of what they mean, for any reason? The examples cover both, and I assume that part of the reason is because the description just comes off as a joke.

Valley Girl is Self-Demonstrating, but it does seem clear enough. That said, I worry that my opinion might be myopic since I already am quite clear on what the trope is.

Also, some of the examples are self demonstrating. Is that cool?