For whatever it might be worth, I recommend the following: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Sacred_Exchange_between_Saint_Francis_and_Lady_Poverty
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Ah ok thank you that clears it up. Poverty more as in willingly taking a vow of poverty, not necessarily poverty as in being one of the poor classes.
Oh, bother.
Love of money and all that...
If you're choosing poverty, it's more a matter of forsaking worldly wants and luxuries.
Edited by M84 on Oct 30th 2019 at 11:08:52 PM
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I'm fairly sure priests should be poor. Worldly possessions are not things one should accumulate as a priest.
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Random comment.
According to Wikipedia, as of 2018 22.5% of American population is Catholic. So a bit less than 1 in every 4 Americans.
Wow. While I always knew Catholics have some foothold in America, but not quite that much.
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A fair number of them are Latin American immigrants.
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Has anyone seen Two Popes, the netflix movie on Benedict and Francis? Very good film. Very intriguing.
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Well acted ... but wholly fictional, of course. The depicted meeting never happened at all, and parts of it seem like Wishful Projection—what a certain type of screenwriter would like to have happened, and would like each man to have said in the end.
Eh, pretty heavily fictionalized in terms of the meeting, but I felt it caught both of their personalities and histories down to a tee.
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China and the Vatican are meeting:
The talks between China's Wang Yi and Archbishop Paul Gallagher in the German city of Munich on Friday come as relations steadily improve following a landmark agreement on the appointment of bishops in 2018.
"Today is the first meeting between the Chinese and Vatican foreign ministers," Wang said, according to the People's Daily newspaper, a Communist Party mouthpiece.
"This is a continuation of the exchanges between China and the Vatican for a period of time. It will open up more space for the future exchanges between the two sides," he said.
Wang, who met Gallagher on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference, called the 2018 agreement "groundbreaking", adding that it "has achieved positive results".
- First bishop -
In a statement, the Vatican said the talks were "cordial" and that contact between the two sides had seen "positive developments".
Wang and Gallagher "highlighted the importance" of the 2018 deal and reiterated a willingness to continue "the institutional dialogue at the bilateral level to promote the life of the Catholic Church and the good of the Chinese people".
The People's Republic of China broke relations with the Vatican in 1951.
The Vatican is the only European diplomatic ally of self-ruled Taiwan, which is viewed by China as a breakaway province awaiting reunification.
China's roughly 12 million Catholics have for decades been split between a government-run association, whose clergy were chosen by the atheist Communist Party, and an unofficial underground church loyal to the Vatican.
But under the terms of the deal agreed in September 2018, both Beijing and the Vatican now have a say in appointing Catholic bishops.
The first bishop to be ordained under the deal was Yao Shun of the diocese of Ulanqab in the northern Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region in August last year.
The law in China requires priests and bishops to register and align with the country's official church.
But the Vatican said at the time that the bishop, who it named as Antonio Yao Shun, had also "received the papal mandate" at the ordination.
Pope Francis has recognised seven clergy appointed by China as part of the deal, despite fears the accord would be used by Beijing to further crack down on worshippers outside the official church.
- Epidemic talks -
Wang and Gallagher also discussed China's efforts to contain the new coronavirus epidemic, which has killed more than 1,500 and infected at least 66,000 in the country.
Official figures showed Saturday that 143 more people had died though the number of new cases had fallen, with 2,641 reported after a change in the criteria to confirm infections earlier caused a massive surge in the total.
Wang said the outbreak has been "effectively controlled", according to the official Xinhua news agency.
The Chinese foreign minister also said the Vatican can play a constructive role to encourage the international community to support China's efforts to combat the epidemic "in an objective, rational and scientific manner", according to Xinhua.
Beijing has criticised the United States for banning arrivals from China and rejected US accusations that it has lacked transparency in dealing with the outbreak.
A report from AFP.
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So apparently Pope Francis cancelled the Friday audiences due to health issues.
Specifically, he got a cold.
...I really hope it's just cold...
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Runny nose and sniffles vs dry cough, back of the throat horror and it going straight to the chest quickly after. Doesn't sound typical for what you're worried about.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 28th 2020 at 2:44:35 PM
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That's fortunate at least.
Some atheists are gonna have a field day if Pope Francis get infected by Corona. XP
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I don’t think anyone should be cheering on losing one of the most influential figures in the world, especially since Pope Francis aligned the Catholic Church to combat Climate Change and is doing house cleaning at the moment.
Keyword on “should” because I’m aware there’s bound to be people who will do so but those are not worth the attention or effort.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
If anything, francis at least is a plus for atheist for being nicer and less jugmental than is predecesor, we like religious people who can put their money were their mouth is.
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And plus against Islamophobia given that he actively rejected playing a West vs East narrative and instead is a proponent of dialogue.
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An essay on Vatican-Chinese relations.
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So, the Catholic churches in my country very strictly abide by the self-quarantine and other COVID 19 prevention measures.
Hilariously enough, younger and more internet savvy priests started to make wholesome but still crazy internet memes. The most (in)famous ones are "Be/Don't Be Like..." series.
Such as:
Noah stayed inside during the flood. Be like Noah.
The Jews in Egypt stayed inside during the killing of the firstborns. Be like the Jews.
Judas didn't keep social distancing and it resulted in the death of Jesus. Don't be like Judas.
The last one in particular made me spit out my drinks. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
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Remember to sanitize the surfaces of all your blood money.
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Oh, bother.
The Noah one doesn't quite work since he spent months with a ton of animals on a ship. Given all the horror stories of cruise ships turning into plague ships these days...
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I dont think you can get corona virus from most animals (excepting, I think, bats and pangolins).
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Oh, bother.
You can potentially get a lot of different plagues hanging around with that many animals for that long. It's extremely unlikely — it's akin to winning the worst lottery ever — but it's possible. And the fact that he's spending 40 days and 40 nights with two of every animal on earth on the same ship...
Edited by M84 on Mar 28th 2020 at 12:09:04 AM
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Noah likely stayed on a different room and the animals were healthy
Edited by KazuyaProta on Mar 27th 2020 at 12:05:21 PM
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Poverty? How is poverty to be admired? Not to be contrarian, but for me, well, to quote "Fiddler on the roof", "Being poor is no shame... but it is no glory, either", if you ask me.