RWBY General Discussion

The lovecraft: no really? I think you are confused because you kinda sorta expect jaques to be the payoff of all this when it reallity it was tyrian and watts.

Well, she seen a little unconcern with the fact she nearly throw her semblance at someone in the party, which is...bad for example.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Well, I expected Jacques to have some payoff. If this was supposed to be it, then it was just unsatisfying for me, really.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Jan 14th 2020 at 6:26:03 PM

Honestly, bitch doesn't deserve sympathy. She was mocking Vale for what happened, belittling the lives of people dying at a charity ball for said kingdom, and had the gall to act blameless. Ironwood was right, Weiss was the only one making sense there. I'd have no sympathy for nearly hurting an intolerant bitch like her either.

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Thing is a) weiss was a bitch in the first and two volumes, b) nearly hurting someone because you are upset is childish, granted this is jaques fault for letting her at the first place but she is a little bit grating and is clear weiss does got a few thing for her.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Can I propose that neither of you are wrong? Like, I'm no supporter of hurting people just because they're assholes, but sometimes it is incredibly cathartic to watch.

Plus, Weiss did seem ashamed when she told the others about it in Volume 5.

Jacques is an asshole, but he still was in his rights to disinherit her. And the spoilt part (or rather, hugely entitled) was that she expected to be able to defy him and do whatever she wanted without any consequence and still be entitled to being the heir.

It was kind of the same thing in volume 3, when she acts like it's unfair that he cuts her off from being able to freely spend his money when she's defying him. I thought it was intentionally meant to show she was spoilt and entitled but come volume 4 we're supposed to sympathize with her when she's all like "you can't do this!!" Yes he can, you fucking moron.

Same thing when she blames Whitley for her being disinherited - he didn't even do anything, it was purely her actions and outbursts that led to that and she acts like he tricked her.

And as much as the woman at the charity function was an asshole, that really doesn't justify losing control like that and endangering her life.

Except the Volume 3 thing wasn't her defying him in full yet. She and Jacques had made the agreement that if Weiss beat the Arma Gigas, she could go to Beacon. But he fully expected it to beat the shit out of her so he could keep an eye on her in Atlas. She won though, so he was Hoist by Their Own Petard. The only part that amounted to defying was that Weiss just wouldn't pick up the damn phone! That's it! He cut her off because she wouldn't answer a fucking phone call! That is Disproportionate Retribution.

And sorry, but I have no sympathy for those that belittle the loss of life. I normally try to be polite to everyone in real life, but had I been there in Weiss stead, I would have walked right up to that bitch and at least broke her nose, then told her off for daring to suggest innocent people deserved to die so casually. They'd have to hold me back before I put her in a coma. Plus, that doesn't change the fact that Weiss didn't purposefully do it. Pumba was summoned subconsciously after Jacques grabbed her and she was knocked to the floor. It's not like she went "Fuck you bitch eat my Pig Stand!", she had no control over that incident!

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jan 14th 2020 at 4:38:21 AM

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Yep anyone that would consider what happened to Vale something they deserved isn't the type of person that deserves much sympathy especially at a charity ball for the kingdom that said person is talking poorly about. Goes right up there with idiot boy who apparently can't take the time to read a sign.

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

On the other hand, Weiss should have known better than let emotions get the better of her. She and everyone else, in and out of universe saw in Vol 3 what an emotion-buzzing Semblance looks like during Pyrrha v. Penny match.

Doesn't make her wrong, of course; if there's anyone who gets to be angry about belittling the Fall of Beacon, it would be a Beacon student who was in the thick of it.

...wonder just how much of this spoiled rotten elite of Atlas we'll see in the next volume (since I'm guessing it'll have a larger focus on Atlas, with Vol 7 dedicated to Mantle instead).

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But putting people in a coma for talking ill about the dead is completely unjustified and would be an actual case of Disproportionate Retribution

Unlike Jacques cutting Weiss off, which isn't retribution at all - and entirely fair, it's his money. He has no need to give her direct, on-demand access to his funds, and if she's going to ghost him, then it's entirely fair to decline her access.

Also summoning the pig on accident doesn't totally exonerate her - if she can't control the summon, that makes her very dangerous.

Edited by Saiga on Jan 14th 2020 at 8:12:04 PM

Jaques cutting Weiss off is simmilar to a tactic abusers use. Taking away things too stop behaviors the abuser dislikes.

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I forget, did we just see only one call that she left ringing, or were there multiple?

Cause if the case were that she repeatedly had been refusing contact with him, then it is somewhat fair for him to cut her off from his money. That's parenting.

But if it was just the one or two calls that went unanswered, then I'd say what he did is pretty clearly abusing her financially.

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We only see one, but in their conversation later both Winter and Weiss imply there were more, and that it's a pattern, as if he does it to badger them into complying.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:59:16 AM

I believe it was one call that we know of before her funds were cut and multiple call afterwards. Though the question is if it was the not answering that resulted in that or the fact that she in Vale out of his reach that made him decide that. The conversation with Winter would make it sound like he is exerting control rather than being a parent.

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

Then again, Winter would be the person with a bias on that subject.

Not that I think she's wrong, mind you, but from an outsider perspective that could be interpreted as such.

At the time people raised it as proof of abuse and i was against that argument, having seen volume 4 since I've come around to seeing it as an abuser tactic.

No, I think it's thematically appropriate, but I also think there's a secret bleed-through effect into the kingdoms of the Relic they're guarding.

Solitas is a landscape that has few natural resources and is an extremely harsh environment to survive in. For humanity to thrive there, it needs innovation and creativity. It seems to me to be symbolically appropriate for the Relic of Creation to be given to the kingdom that most represents the importance of creativity and innovation to the survival of the human race.

Vacuo is a landscape that has been devastated and destroyed by the actions of humanity — once a paradise lost to devastation and war. It seems thematically appropriate to me for the Relic of Destruction to be in the centre of an environmental landscape that acts as a massive object lesson to humanity about the dangers of abusing destructive power.

So far, the Vaults we've seen come across to me as teaching humanity's history.

• The Vault of the Spring Maiden represents the destruction of Humanity Prime at the Domain of Light.
• The Vault of the Winter Maiden represents the fractured nature of Humanity Revised — humanity recreated as broken shards of its former self, a jigsaw puzzle that has all the pieces, but which needs help to reassemble into its true form.
• The Beacon Academy vault is extremely interesting because it looks plain, but if you look very closely, there are designs in the vault — windows, flags and pillars, and some striking shadowy formation of a clock face — one on the wall behind the Aura transfer machines and one in the centre on the floor that was the exact position where Ozpin created his massive Aura shield before launching himself into Cinder's fireball. That close look at Beacon's vault makes it seem as though it's a secret underground version of the same place in which Salem and Ozma fought and their children died — Salem's conference room is based on the same place.

I'm still in two minds about whether it's the true Vault of the Fall Maiden, but there's definitely something very weird and significant about the design of the Beacon Vault. And I still believe that the way in which Cinder obtained her Fall Maiden power (by taking away the choices of others) will trigger one of the 'extra' defence measures of the Relic of Choice's hiding place.

That said, to go back to your earlier point (which I quoted).

The coldest places on earth are often, by definition, deserts and, like hot deserts, can be teaming with life if you know where to look.

Winter is actually an extremely important period of time for life. Agricultural ground gets rested, certain plants and crops get sown in winter and in older cultures that were more connected to the land than modern ones, winter wasn't associated with death, but with rebirth — the rejuvenation may be witnessed in the spring but it's actually born and begins in the winter.

Winter was also traditionally the time in many European cultures for storytelling and crafts work — with agricultural activities limited by weather and lighting, the focus would turn to crafts, such as sewing, spinning, carpentry... and evenings would often be filled with storytelling.

So, historically, winter is actually associated with a great deal of creativity. It's something people in the modern world don't realise and have mostly forgotten.

And, of course, from a RWBY (Schnee) perspective... no two snowflakes are alike — endlessly creative, just like the Staff of Creation is alleged to be.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 15th 2020 at 9:35:04 AM

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I can't believe it's abusing not to allow your children free reign to spend your money.

Yes, Jacques is abusive, but that doesn't make everything he does abusive.

Ehhh everything he does about his family involves abuse of some kind. His money is just another way for him to abuse his power and keep his kids under his thumb.

This is a man who outright admitted he never loved his wife to her face because it was the $$$ that mattered to him.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jan 14th 2020 at 5:21:16 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I don't think that changes that Weiss is still incredibly entitled for thinking she should be able to both ignore him and have unlimited access to his money.

Taking away "permissions" is a classic emotional abuse method. It's a form of Operant Conditioning: do as I say, get a carrot; disobey me, get the stick. Its a means of exerting control over someones behavior and reactions. Jacques wants Weiss to pretty much be his property, he wants her to do as he says, when he says it, and cares little for her as a person. He wanted her to attend Atlas so he could keep her on a leash. So when that backfired, he tried using methods to force her to obey him. Its highly likely if not guarenteed that had Weiss in any way disagreed with him if she actually answered, he would still cut her allowance. He would only give her money if she remained his little puppet.

The same can be said for his disinheriting her. He didn't disinherit her just because of the Charity Gala, he did it because he couldn't control her anymore. She had too much intrinsic motivation for him to try and control her. And since he's obsessed with the Schnee name, he refused to allow her, someone he can't control, to be its heir. So he instead did what already happened with Winter, disinherited the current heir, then moved on to the younger sibling with a much tighter grip on them.

And again, she was only seen ignoring one phone call. Meaning, from Jacques perspective, he cut her funding just because she wouldn't pick up a single call. He didn't even know if she was ignoring him! For all he knew she could have been in the bathroom or on a mission! Normal people don't take phone calls in the middle of a shit!

And she displayed no other means of true defiance before then! The closest was her decision to go to Beacon, but by Jacques own bullshit test, Weiss earned her right to go there with his money! She wasn't defying him in any way other than not answering a single phone call. If you call that entitled, then you may need look at the definition again:

• en·ti·tled · /inˈtīdld,enˈtīdld/ · adjective · believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

Weiss never claimed she deserved the money, nor that it was a special treatment. She even said it was a monthly allowance, meaning this was something Jacques gave her regularly. Weiss even outright says she doesn't want special treatment in her talk with Winter.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jan 14th 2020 at 8:55:30 AM

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She feels entitled because like everything her father used trickery and deceit to get something he didn't deserve, the entire Schnee business and the family name.

Of course playing along to manipulate him would be a smarter move, but she's too hotheaded for that.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

She also didn't have unlimited access to his funds, she was given a monthly allowance which she was evidently well under.

With the dishineriting part the one thing that stands out most is Jacques saying how the announcement would be that Weiss voluntarily gave up her position as heiress. Not content to take her dream away he also used his power to make everyone else think she gave it up of her own free will.

And lets not forget he was perfectly willing to make it seem like she was insane as well and keep her, an 18 year old and legal adult, prisoner.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jan 14th 2020 at 8:52:53 AM

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Where was it said that it was a monthly allowance? It wasn't in the exchanges posted.

Even then, a monthly allowance is not something I would see as a right, cutting down or restricting an allowance is a pretty normal punishment from non-abusive parents.

As for Jacques not knowing why she missed his call, if she doesn't bother returning his call than I don't think he needs to assume it was just missed.

And again, I'm not saying he isn't a abusive dickhole. But he's at least correct that Weiss is very ignorant of reality, expecting things to go her way because ???

Edited by Saiga on Jan 15th 2020 at 12:23:54 AM