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#60351: Jul 17th 2019 at 7:48:09 PM

EruptionFang is an entitled "fan" of numerous Rooster Teeth properties with a penchant for theorizing, who will gleefully ignore any prior development or arc that contradicts his headcanons, and if any future development doesn't go the way he wants it too, he immediately derides it as poorly written, out of character, and the like.

Best example would have to be his fanaticism towards Adam. He treats Adam exactly like how Blake thought he was, as a revolutionary with noble intentions who is a hero to the Faunus. So when Adam started revealing he wasn't any of that, he derided it as flanderizing him into a generic yandere, despite the fact he'd already long been established as that as far back as Volume 3, and had it reinforced in Volume 5.

Best evident would be his thoughts on him during his short. He said Adam was legitimately comforting Blake despite the scene being textbook emotional abuse, and he thought the scene with Sienna at the end was pointless, despite the scene being meant to demonstrate how far Adam had fallen, where Sienna had promised him a place at her side yet he was so power hungry he instead decided to kill her, one of his oldest comrades.

Also evident would be in Episode's 11 and 12 of Volume 6. Normally he calls them episode "Breakdowns", in that he analyzes what happened, discusses it, and theorizes for going forward.

  • Episode 11 he called *ANGRY* BREAKDOWN. In it, he derides the writing for having Yang as anything other than a complete wreck, saying that if she really had PTSD, she should be cowering in fear at the mere sight of Adam and be incapable of fighting him, failing to realize that not only is that not in line with the symptoms of PTSD she did exhibit, but that PTSD is in no way uniform. Some people freeze, some shut down, others fly into a rage, others become Empty Shell. I mean, look at Goblin Slayer and check out the number of characters with PTSD there. None of the cases are identical. He also says Yang and Blake are nowhere near strong enough to face him, and that he'd require someone of Qrow's caliber to beat him.
  • Episode 12 he called a RANT. And of course, this was the episode in which Adam dies. He not only goes into a tirade saying they killed him just to please the Bumblebee fans, he goes on a rant about how Adam should have fought all of the protagonists and Cordovin, and that the Colossus should have fired a dust shot at him, only so Adam could use Moonslice to absorb it and fire it back to destroy the Colossus. He calls Blake and Yang cold blooded murderers ignoring they were fighting someone trying to kill them, and that he was reaching for a weapon to continue to trying to kill them.
But it gets even worse. After his tirade over Adam, he released two more videos.
  • First was The Wasted Potential of Adam Taurus. In it, he does what most people do when talking about Adam, say he's a case of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character. Though in his case, he goes on about how they butchered Adam, and how Adam turned out didn't line up with how he saw Adam.
  • Second was An Honest Opinion Regarding Bumblebee. I didn't watch anything aside from the disclaimer he put cause that pissed me off alone, but here's the disclaimer. Not only does said disclaimer basically amount to "I don't care about the ship because they are lesbians, but I do care because of how the fans, writers, and story affect it. So if you aren't gonna watch the video, post your hate and get out." The reason this pissed me off is because it basically telegraphed that he knew his thoughts would be misconstrued as homophobic, but decided to respond to it by basically saying "I'm not homophobic, so either watch the video or get out." He also misidentifies the two in the process. Neither of them are Lesbians. Regardless of Shipping reasons, Blake was at one point canonically attracted to Sun, so she's bisexual, not a lesbian. Same for Yang, as Yang did suggest flirting with some guys on the first night at Beacon, so she too is canonically attracted to guys as well, so she too is bisexual, not a lesbian.
    EruptionFang: Due to unpersonal bias' I play towards, I do not care about the ship as a whole rather how it is treated from both the audience and the writers and through the impact of what their relationship has on the story as opposed to them just being lesbians. There, I saved you like ten minutes. Post your comment and leave.
    • And from what people who have watched the video have said, he does come across as very homophobic in the video. Not only that, but reading people's thoughts on it as they watched it, he ignores context in scenes to justify his argument, namely that he thinks the ship hurts the story by reducing Blake and Yang to Satellite Love Interest to each other. He then changes gears saying the ship doesn't work because they are both main characters, and then starts ranting about how them being together is forced diversity. The calling them "lesbians" part also becomes a bigger problem because he claims the writers keep going back and forth on whether or not Blake is straight or gay, completely ignoring bisexuality is a thing.

He's also a complete hypocrite. Moving away from talks of Adam and Bumblebee, he discusses the official Manga. Before this video, Fang had been a long standing advocate of the Show, Don't Tell rule, saying the show needed to work more on showing than just telling. Come the manga however, he starts singing its praises because it tells rather than shows. He brings up Yang explicitly stating why she is proud of Ruby, saying why Roman is considered dangerous, and why its a big deal Ruby got into Beacon. He basically abandoned the rule he advocated for so long, just so he could say the Manga is the definitive RWBY rather than the actual show. So again, ignoring what happened prior to justify his argument, only now he's ignoring stuff he's said.

The long and short of it is, Fang has his head so far up his own ass he refuses to accept any developments aside from the ones he thinks should work, will gleefully ignore canon to make it work, and will throw a shit fit if things don't go the way he wants it.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jul 17th 2019 at 12:31:47 PM

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#60352: Jul 17th 2019 at 8:10:11 PM

That's it?

Man, judging from last page's reaction, I wondered if he was someone who committed real-life atrocities, like personally attacking the writers or voice actresses or something. So he's just an unqualified and toxic Caustic Critic of the show. Shocker.

Edited by dRoy on Jul 18th 2019 at 12:10:44 AM

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#60353: Jul 17th 2019 at 8:49:07 PM

I posted his Bumblebee video and thought it was good, but that was back when I knew nothing about Eruption Fang. Now I avoid him because he's just another RWBY critic with nothing interesting or insightful to say.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#60354: Jul 17th 2019 at 8:54:58 PM

This series does tend to attract a lot of those kinds of youtubers, yeah.

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#60355: Jul 17th 2019 at 9:26:27 PM

Don't know why you got that impression, I just said I didn't want to listen to his crap. While I normally try to respect opinions, I'd get more value out of bashing my head into a wall than I would listening to Fang's bullshit. He used to be somewhat reasonable surprisingly. Sadly, it seems either he couldn't hide his real self any longer, or he just turned bad.

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#60356: Jul 17th 2019 at 10:22:45 PM

"despite the fact he'd already long been established as that as far back as Volume 3, and had it reinforced in Volume 5"

No surpising actually, a good number of people actually saw him as ether a extremist or a freedom fighter turn bad, this is a coment I have seen repeat over and over and in ever in this very thread.

"n it, he derides the writing for having Yang other than a complete wreck,"

He derite the PTDS for dalling to show up in any significant way back in the fight, specially when she....somehow tackle Adam atack with her robot arm(even when said atack cut her arm the last time) and just show her bitch face, again we just complain about it two page ago.

" how Adam turned out didn't line up with how he saw Adam."

In this video in fact he does actually line a good point here: Yang fight with Adam use footage of monty for the fight that WAS suposed to have back in volume 3, (which is why the fight is awsome for a while and while Adam suddenly use weird atack that made no sense to him like that shadow thing or using moonslice at distance), but them Adam cut Yang arm off in one hit and establish that...yeah, he is above them in term in skill and considering they barely train at all, is not gar to said Adam is Qrow tier of skill actually or a least above them.

And about is honest opinion about bumblebee: right after the disclamier he does in fact said that "if you hate the ship or enjoy the ship them...fine, as long you dont condemn another for that opinion it is fine" then goe saying he is not a fan of romantic plot because they feel formulaic and prefer romantic-free series like One piece and admiting he have bias.

Also in the same video so far he complain more of why it took so long to finally do something about it, teasing other ships or implying stuff(with sun for example) only to this conclution, he even said dismiss the idea of "why they have to be gay" and even used neptune as perfect counter example because he is define by is strightness(that means being a lady men) than anything else.

Finally, while why he dosent like about bumblebee is more he feel romantic interest disrupt team dynamics because it put one chararter above others and he kinda bring how RWBY dosent talk too much each other(pointing how Blake and Ruby have zero moment between the two for example), also citing other example like the whole sakura,sasuke and naruto or legend of korra, and the whole force diversity is that he feel tackle back in the volume 6 after beating of Adam seeing as "the power of love" which he hate(he dosent like the whole anime "power of friendship beat odd and he said fairy tail is huge on this") and even admit as not being part of the LGTB he see asfter though and wonder if blake and yang could not just being a thing in volume 2 rather than being tasted as hell and back for another three volumes.

So why I typed this extended long thing? because as video is not only less jarring that other critic of the show but in my opinion it dosrnt sound anything diferent of what we here as troper have said in this very thread(and lets face it, we complain A LOT in this threa at times it feel wyld is the only who actually like this damn show), in fact quite a times we have back up in a very simplistic "is canon because pandering" and so far much of is opinion does really seen more naunced that other youtube(like fatman for example).

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Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
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#60357: Jul 18th 2019 at 1:11:24 AM

I think Channels like the Judgemental Critter are underrated, and wish the channels like that who actually gave the show constructive criticism instead of just Hating on the show got more attention then Channels like Adel Aka or Eruption Fang, even if I still don't agree with her on everything.

One thing I like about her is how, even if shes critical of Adam, She judges Adam on his actual character instead of going "Adam could have been sympathetic but he wasn't so he's a bad villain"

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#60358: Jul 18th 2019 at 8:18:04 AM

Cinder feels like the Darth Vader to Salem's Emperor Palpatine. Salem is the background force they ultimately need to defeat, while Cinder is the aspect of that force that the team has the most confrontations with and personal connection to. Maybe that'll change as Salem becomes more active, but for now I don't see Cinder being left to team second stringers.

Salem herself kind of feels Vader-ish *, what with the whole "save the ones I love from dying" thing being the catalyst for her Start of Darkness, and there's the same irony as in Vader's backstory of how in her pursuit of that goal she ends up destroying everything she cared about, ultimately being reduced to a (seemingly) unfeeling monster. Perhaps a Vader from an alternate universe where Padme (Oz) initially agreed to his scheme to overthrow Palpatine and become sole ruler of The Empire?

Cinder OTOH is 100% Azula, they gave us some moments where it looked like maybe, just maybe she'd start displaying some sympathetic traits, only to subvert that, most recently where she's found injured and vulnerable in the woods by a Good Samaritan, only for Cinder to Kill Them and Take Their Stuff.

Anyway, that leads to an instance of the somewhat uncommon situation in a narrative where the Big Bad feels more redeemable than The Dragon, which is usually an indication that the "Big Bad" is actually a Disc-One Final Boss, slated to either be overthrown by The Dragon in a Happy Ending Override after being talked down, or displaced by a Bigger Bad.

* While the prequel trilogy is deservedly ridiculed, on paper Lucas's concept of Vader's story is really compelling IMO; the prequels as a whole are just such a magnificent example of how great ideas for a story can be let down by poor execution, ie atrociously bad acting/direction. RWBY isn't quite that bad in terms of execution IMO, but it's definitely in a similar boat.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jul 18th 2019 at 11:31:49 AM

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#60359: Jul 18th 2019 at 12:03:26 PM

...wait, hold on. How is the main conflict an Idiot Plot? (other than Ozpin trying to summon the Gods notwithstanding)

None of the characters involved in the conflict seems to possess basic understanding of strategy, or just common sense. I might prepare a full list of blunders some other time. If I ever do, I'll send you the link.

Adam had only three appearances and one or two extra mentions prior to the Battle of Beacon, so very little was going to be 'developing on-screen'. That said, we did have some bits and pieces along the way, that allowed some thoughts to arise. The real problem was the fandom itself: the fandom put together a lot of assumptions to create a fanon about him that was actually contradictory to what little we did know about Adam. The Battle of Beacon debunked the fanon about Adam.

Actually, the early fanon regarding Adam seems pretty damn reasonable. I only started wathcih RWBY after Volume 4 aired and watched all four Volumes within a few days, so I never got to form my own theories about Adam prior to the Battle of Beacon. I don't know how the situation looked to someone back then who had time to analyse everything and come to their own conclusions. From what I gather right now, the things we were told/shown regarding Adam before the Battle of Beacon were:

  • He fights for the White Fang and against the Schnee Dust Company. Carries on to later Volumes, though the latter part gets kind of forgotten about amidst everything else.
  • He is a fighter on par with Blake, possibly stronger. Portrayed well in Blake/Adam fight in V6, but poorly when he stomps on Blake in Volume 3 and then gets stomped by Blake in Volume 5.
  • He doesn't mind if non-combatants, possibly complete innocents, die on his mission. Consistent with later Volumes.
  • Blake feels comfortable enough to casually sass Adam and he doesn't mind it very much. Not contradicted per se, but it doesn't mesh well with Adam's abuser persona.
  • His reaction to Blake leaving him is to reach out to her, but otherwise watch her go. Possibly explained by him being just shocked, but it implies different things than him being a narcissist and an abuser.
  • Blake remembers him fondly enough to make drawings of him while in Beacon. Not contradicted, but again, it paints a different picture than what we would end up getting.
  • He has a screwed-up vision of a perfect world. Consistent with later Volumes.
  • He was a mentor figure to Blake at one point. Never mentioned after Volume 2 and doesn't mesh well with his abuser persona, especially the "he made me feel so small" narrative Blake is spewing. Seriously, if your idea of making your abuse victim feel unimportant involves molding them into a badass superpowered warrior and trusting them with your life on military missions, you suck at abuse.
  • He is reluctant to send his people to die for a human cause and/or will not willingly work with humans. Cotradicted by later Volumes, where he doesn't give a crap about his people or about working with a human.
  • He has to be threatened with death and offered a reward to get him to destroy Beacon. Doesn't mesh with his enthusiasm to blow up Haven Academy even at the cost of his life.
  • He gradually became extremely violent while pursuing a noble goal. Consistent with his portrayal in his character short, inconsistent with what Yang and Blake say about him later on.

All in all, the early characterization for Adam is quite different from what his character is from V3E11 forward. That implies one of three things:

  • The writers changed their mind about what kind of character Adam is supposed to be midway through the series.
  • The writers wanted to subvert viewers' expectations, but the version they had in mind was arguably inferior to the one they were setting up.
  • The writers always knew what kind of character Adam was supposed to be and never made an attempt to hide his true persona, but they sent some really confusing signals.

Either way, fans were fully justified in seeing Adam as a better person than he would eventually turn out to be, because that was where the signs were pointing at. Even if we go with the most charitable interpretation and assume Adam was always going to be a psychotic ex and fans are idiots for not having seen that coming, that doesn't change the fact that fanon is legitimately more interesting than canon in this regard. As Adolf Hitler best put it:

You said, "Adam was always a two-faced liar, he was just pretending to be a revolutionary fighting for Faunus rights." I'd rather watch that fake Adam. He sounds ten times more compelling than this petty ex-boyfriend piss-drinker.

So yeah, I prefer fans to the writers on that one.

It's not automatically bad writing. It's not even an automatic symptom of bad writing. How something is executed can lead to bad writing, but that's not the same thing.

No trope or creative decision is automatically bad writing, but there are some things you generally shouldn't do unless you have a plan. There is probably a way to make a astory with an Idiot Plot, FlatCharacters and a million PlotHoles into a creative masterpiece, but to my knowledge, nobody found out how to do that yet. Likewise, there probably was a way to make Adam into a good character even after suddenly making him into a psychotic yandere, but the writers apparently failed to find it.

Would you mind finding the specific post you're thinking of? Neither of those two sentences sound like points I'd be making because that's not how I think. If you know which posts they come from, I'll be happy to take a look at what I wrote and clarify anything that didn't make sense.

I was referring to that post, though more generally, you give off an impression that you consider violence to be the wrong choice in every situation, even if there are lives on the line. You did say that equality achieved through violence doesn't count as equality and that Adam was wrong to kill a human who was two seconds away from putting a bullet in Ghira's skull. I get that if you want to take a pacifist stance, I just wonder how far you go with it. In what circumstances is violence and killing acceptable?

I don't really get that Metaphor, though that's probably on me.

My point is, nobody forced the writers to make Adam into the kind of character he ended up being. They could have written him however they wanted and if they didn't know how to do that well while making Adam a Complete Monster, they should have chosen a different path. I've seen some fanfic depictions of Adam that were better than canon and kept him as a Complete Monster, so I know it was possible to write him well without making him sympathetic, but writing purely evil villains just doesn't appear to be RWBY writers' strong suit.

Though what I do disagree with is the whole "Adam went out too easy" thing

Let's just say we differ in this regard.

Should I put a deadline on this? There hasn't been much response all told — including on the Character pages.

Just get one with it. If multiple people object to the new layout after the fact, we'll have a new discussion.

Some more Cinder shark [1]

If it gets revealed to be Cinder's backstory, I will be fully satisfied. Seriously.

Man, judging from last page's reaction, I wondered if he was someone who committed real-life atrocities, like personally attacking the writers or voice actresses or something. So he's just an unqualified and toxic Caustic Critic of the show. Shocker.

That's just unfair. I wouldn't call Eruption Fang unqualified, toxic or a Caustic Critic, unless you find any critic who doesn't love the entirety of the show "toxic". His opinions are insightful, nuanced and, for the most part, well-presented. As for the times when they're not, well...

When I watched his angry rant about V6E12, I initially thought that he was overly critical of the Adam's subplot. I was fresh after watching the Adam vs Yang&Blake fight and I thought that it was all pretty good, if uncreative. But the more I though about it and the more time I had to look back at Volume 6, the more I found myself agreeing with the guy. It's easy to dismiss Eruption Fang as Adam's fanboy who hates everything that goes against his headcanons, but that's just not an accurate picture of him. Most of his criticisms, not matter how they were derived or how they were delivered, are perfectly on point. Adam was badly written and even the writers admit as much, though obviously in much weaker terms. His fans had the right to expect better, as I explained above. Had Adam been given a respectful treatment and was allowed to exercise his agency instead of serving as a punching bag for Yang, I can't imagine EP going "Well, it contradicts my headcanon, so I still hate it." That's not the kind of fan he is.

The statement about wanting a 9v1 fight against Adam is takes out of context. As far as I remember, he was ranting about how Volume 6 spent too much time jumping between different antagonists, two of which didn't even get to play any role in the finale. His point wasn't "Adam should have been made stronger" but rather "Volume 6 should have had a primary antagonist for everyone to fight against and defeat". Heck, in his The Wasted Potential of Adam Taurus video he criticizes the writer for not sticking to the original plan and making Adam too strong. From what I see, he genuinely just wants a good story.

If there is one criticism I really want to make against Eruption Fang, it's his tendency to criticize the good guys for everything they do or don't do. Aside from his unfounded malice towards Yang and Blake for killing Adam, he also makes a bizzare criticism of Ozpin, stating that he focuses too much on fighting Salem to the point of obsession. I mean, has this guy forgot Volume 3? Salem is the prime threat to humanity's unity and possibly it's very survival. What else is Ozpin supposed to focus on? It seems like EP is just looking for an excuse to hate on the heroes, either because he likes Black-and-Grey Morality and sees moral greyness where there really is none, or just hates Ozpin and everyone who works for him. Who knows.

Still, Eruption Fang is not a Caustic Critic. The first sentence of the trope description perfectly presents why he doesn't fall under this bracket.

I think Channels like the Judgemental Critter are underrated, and wish the channels like that who actually gave the show constructive criticism instead of just Hating on the show got more attention then Channels like Adel Aka or Eruption Fang, even if I still don't agree with her on everything.

Eruption Fang gives constructive crticism all the time. Him getting angry at the major antagonist being written horribly doesn't detract from it in any way.

Adel Adka is also constructive... in a way. He goes out of his way to crticize everything about RWBY, which means that he scores some legitimate point at least once a video. It's kind of a broken clock situation — someone who makes every criticism possible will also make every valid criticism possible. And if he actually likes something, you immediately know that said thing must be really, really good. I watch some of his videos for these reasons, even if I have to tune out all the stupid complaints and constant rants about how he hates all the characters who aren't Mercury.

Alos, his video on why Adam really lost is one of the funniest things to ever come out or RWBY's fandom.

While the prequel trilogy is deservedly ridiculed, on paper Lucas's concept of Vader's story is really compelling IMO; the prequels as a whole are just such a magnificent example of how great ideas for a story can be let down by poor execution, ie atrociously bad acting/direction. RWBY isn't quite that bad in terms of execution IMO, but it's definitely in a similar boat.

That's an interesting comparison. Let's make a contest: Which line is worse in your opinion?

"I don't like sand."
Anakin Skywalker

"Salem only uses people as long as they're useful."
Raven Branwen

Edited by Tharkun140 on Jul 18th 2019 at 9:37:36 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#60360: Jul 18th 2019 at 12:24:11 PM

Okay I'm gonna sound like an idiot.

But what's wrong with the "Salem only uses people as long as they're useful" line? I've seen so many people mock it but I've never gotten it.

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Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#60361: Jul 18th 2019 at 12:28:46 PM

[up] It's bad because it doesn't actually convey any information. By definition, you can only use people if they are useful. Raven might as well have said "Salem only sleeps when she is not awake" or "Salem only kills people until they die"

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Ryno_v Since: Dec, 2017
#60362: Jul 18th 2019 at 12:40:57 PM

4x[up]If they go that way Salem being redeemable and Cinder becoming the big bad it would be a weird message to send with how Salem being some kind of abusive parent to Cinder and that's not even getting in to her kill her old husband and kids and how she uses people.

Slater130 Since: Jun, 2013
#60363: Jul 18th 2019 at 1:32:44 PM

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Adel made a video saying he wanted Blake to get abused by Yang because she "deserves to be abused" and only deleted it after it got his channel striked for it.

The fact that your trying to claim he is in anyway "insightful" is suspect as fuck.

Also no the 9 V 1 wasnt taking outta context, he straight up said it was the only way to show his strength "properly"

Thats not even getting into the fact that Adam's original idea wasn't dropped. (His first scene in the show proper is hearing a bunch of humans blitlhy talked about how there faunus fodder died and wondering if they can get more to do the same. and he says they will still do it for him, showing he is willing to throw there lives away.

Then you go into how EF doesnt want Y/B because it "ruins" the dynamic, despite never saying anything about Arkos and Renora which is just as canon. Hypocrisy at its finest

Just a Bad critic because his headcanons arent canon.

Edited by Slater130 on Jul 18th 2019 at 1:32:58 AM

Slater130 Since: Jun, 2013
#60364: Jul 18th 2019 at 1:37:13 PM

Also Ozpin isnt trying to summon the gods....like he explicitly separated the relics to make sure Salem couldn't get them.

The only reason he is moving two of them together is because Mistral is compromised without a Maiden making it unwise to keep the Lamp there.

Like all of this is pretty obvious in the show

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#60365: Jul 18th 2019 at 1:47:31 PM

"Then you go into how EF doesnt want Y/B because it "ruins" the dynamic, despite never saying anything about Arkos and Renora which is just as canon. Hypocrisy at its finest

"

He does in fact said he wasnt never a fan of arkos and not much of renora, he tolerate because they are secondary chararters, there is also why he kinda like black sun more: he feel sun can just fuck out to off screen land the moment the dynamic become to heavy or just not important(in fact sun does that in volume 6) so is not so suspect.

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Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#60366: Jul 18th 2019 at 2:45:24 PM

[up][up][up]No one is denying Adel says a lot of stupid stuff or Is overall a good critic. He's an awful critic and frankly an Awful person, but all Tharkun was saying was he can occasionally raise something of a point in his dozens of Videos.

Hell given how hes pretty much Obsessed with hating on the Show or Anything RT puts there hands on 24/7, he was bound to make at least one decent point when he won't shut up about it.

Edited by Kylotrope on Jul 18th 2019 at 2:47:34 AM

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Slater130 Since: Jun, 2013
#60367: Jul 18th 2019 at 2:51:59 PM

[up]He praised the Seadragon fight as the "best fight in the series"

That alone disqualifies him from ever having a valid opinion on anything in the sow

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#60368: Jul 18th 2019 at 3:22:01 PM

It's bad because it doesn't actually convey any information. By definition, you can only use people if they are useful.

The wording is obvious, but it's the implicit meaning (I suppose not so implicit) that's important: Salem will discard you the very moment you stop being useful. We've yet to see her discard someone however, so we can't decide when someone stops being useful for her (I suppose Lionheart counts? But he was never important in the grand scheme of things). Raven's offering a warning here which may seem obvious, but way too often do obvious things slip by fictional (and real) characters.

As for the "RWBY Critics", I doubt most of them have anything worth saying. Hating RWBY became a trendy fad after Vol 5.

Big Grah
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#60369: Jul 18th 2019 at 3:28:25 PM

Okay, current tally on the Sandbox. Excuse the use of names. I'm not seeking to call anyone out, it's to make sure I don't miss anyone or count people twice.

I've also listed the question on the RWBY Characters Discussion Page for anyone who doesn't/can't use this forum.

Scenario:

  • One: Tharkun140, VeryMelon, Shaoken, RebelFalcon
  • Two:
  • Concerns: Fergard Stratoavis (About One)
  • Neither scenario: Slater130, stardust120 (?)

Handling Sanus (if Scenario One is chosen):

  • Split: Tharkun140, gjjones, Shaoken, VeryMelon, RebelFalcon
  • Combined:
  • Neutral: Fergard Stratoavis
  • Other Points:
    • Suggestion that CFVY and SSSN be troped under Vacuo not Vale. RebelFalcon

Should I put a deadline on this? I still haven't had much response from the discussion page I put it on.

gjjones — you commented on whether you preferred Sanus split or combined, but didn't comment on whether you preferred Scenario 1 or 2 or something else, which is why your name only appears once (I didn't want to assume you prefer Scenario 1 just because you answered the splits question).

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 18th 2019 at 11:30:46 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#60370: Jul 18th 2019 at 9:16:17 PM

" One thing I like about her is how, even if shes critical of Adam, She judges Adam on his actual character "

I disagree, it just feel she take Adam as face value in the chararter while almost everyone feel there is a disonance in how it was portray.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#60371: Jul 19th 2019 at 6:01:35 AM

@Ryno_v: With Salem you have a plausible case that she was once (very, very long ago) a good person, I personally think that’s the reason for the fairytale princess backstory-the use of such a recognizable archetype gets that across without having to spend valuable screen time characterizing her before the beginning of her Start of Darkness, it let's them cut to the chase.

Meanwhile With Cinder there’s no real hint of a Freudian Excuse, even Adam had more potential for sympathy than her.

Message wise that would be potentially problematic as you said, but it’s easy enough to frame it so that what comes across is a “what you have done in the past matters less than your willingness to change in the future” message, which is kind of iffy if we're taking that as a serious statement of ethics*, but this is fiction and we can have nice cathartic/feel-good outcomes like that rather than the extraordinarily technical cost-benefit analyses, cynical political dealings, and the often uncomfortable truths** we face in reality when talking about to what a extent a "bad person" can be forgiven.

* If only for utilitarian reasons; Firstly in that it's WAY harder (and very risky to even try) to get a "bad person" to mend their ways in real life than in fiction, and secondly because society at large is rather perversely fixated on seeing people who transgress against societal norms suffer even when that serves no practical purpose.

** The traditional (legal) concept of free will is in blatant disagreement with modern neuroscience, for example, and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jul 19th 2019 at 11:15:17 AM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#60372: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:03:09 PM

Meanwhile With Cinder there’s no real hint of a Freudian Excuse, even Adam had more potential for sympathy than her.

Her line 'I want to be strong, I want to be feared, I want to be powerful' does suggest that she comes from a background where she was weak, terrified, and powerless.

I'm not saying it's a Freudian Excuse, but you were talking about hints. That is definitely a hint of something, especially given how she freaks out against anyone who puts her in a position to feel vulnerable, no matter how briefly.


I'm going to deal with this first because, if that's the post you were thinking of when you said the following...

"Can I say though, I find it incongruent how you believe the Schnee Dust Company to be terrible for effectively using slave labor and yet you object to even the mildest means of resistance White Fang offers. I recall you argued that Adam's first scene in his character short isn't meant to show him in a sympathetic light because he steals dust and encourages other faunus to view themselves as its rightful owners."

... then we're dealing more with how you think than with how I think.

In that post, I didn't criticise the Faunus fighting back. I didn't criticise the use of violence. And I certainly wasn't discussing whether it's either possible or impossible to view Adam sympathetically because of that scene. I was explicitly responding to the idea that a character can be both well-intentioned and spiteful, that they can want both Faunus rights and revenge, without it being a contradiction. The content of that post covered:

  • My thoughts about why Blake is an unreliable narrator where Adam is concerned (prior to the Battle of Beacon).
  • My interpretation of the Faunus-Adam dynamic during the first scene of Adam's short:
    • That this wasn't Adam's first time.
    • That this was the other Faunus' first time.
    • That this was the first time for Adam's mask.
    • That the Faunus don't really understand Adam or what he's getting them into.
    • How Adam might be able to manipulate Faunus for his own personal ends while also coming across as a Faunus rights activist.

At no point was this post a judgement on the Faunus and their actions, or of whether or not Adam is sympathetic. The post was entirely about Adam's manipulation of others using Blake and the first scene of his character short as my examples.

I think you're reading things into my post that just aren't there.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 19th 2019 at 9:25:50 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
CountofBleck (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#60373: Jul 19th 2019 at 9:59:57 PM

So Ive been gone for like, about a year or so, need to watch season 6....how is everything here? I kinda bailed because afyer 4 and 5 thr patience here was dwindling.

Oh yeah, almost forgot: RWBY is getting a crossover with...SMITE of all things.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#60374: Jul 19th 2019 at 10:30:22 PM

[up] the first 2 episodes are good, though episode 1 was a bit Cheesy, After episode 3 it gets amazing, then Argus comes around and it's....not Bad and has several good parts(The Adam stuff and the Phyrra scenes in particular) But there's some overly corny stuff as well.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001
#60375: Jul 19th 2019 at 10:36:28 PM

At this rate RWBY will be in every game imaginable. Call of Duty: Remnant Warfare. Injustice x RWBY, Cooking Mama featuring Ruby Rose, an Otome game with Blake having to chose between Adam, Sun or Yang (with bonus endings featuring Illia and the complete "Ninjas in Love" series), the possibilities are endless and terrifying.

Edited by Shaoken on Jul 19th 2019 at 11:28:31 AM


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