Kiss X Sis (input needed)

I love your final reason.

Is there any version that can be considered Bleached Underpants, or is everything just as problematic?

One of tdgoodrich notes is "While the TV series is comparatively tame, it is still borderline enough to warrant a clean and lock "

So I guess he meant bleach the underwear.

edited 6th May '12 11:03:49 AM by Shadis

If it has a pre-pubescent looking person being sexualized, it can go - that is exactly the definition of "stuff that appeals to pedophiles"

The rest of the subbullets in that parargraphs are just forgotten biology however. Nothing relevant to paedophilia.

Only posted those because IIRC the P5 was given the guideline of no 16 and under, either in terms of appearance or chronological age. Doesn't affect my verdict, though.

Edited to clarify

OK, thanks. Duly noted.

edited 6th May '12 11:09:52 AM by tdgoodrich1

16 is the age for fanfic recs. It has nothing to do with P5.

To be honest only the first (due to some characters falling between 14 and 15 instead of 16) and third points made seem enough to cut it and even then that seems a bit extreme if cleaning and locking it is at all possible though I doubt it since the policy is working against it.

Wait, I thought the 16 year requirement applied to everything. Most of the sexualized characters are technically not prepubescent but a big portion of them are under 16.

edited 6th May '12 11:19:48 AM by Chariot

The second point is a legitimate gripe as well. If it was Shounen, the target demographic would be the same age (roughly) as the main character. Since it's Seinen, the target demographic is 18+ guys, which I needn't tell you is creepy.

Yeps, that was my issue. If it's for adults and has sexualized pre-pubescents its like paedo pandering.

OT: Because, apparently, the person writing these rules couldn't be bothered to reading up a biology book before doing that.

For the record, paedophilia is always about "pre-teen" or "pre-pubescent". It has nothing to do with "underage"

, I was under the impression we were trying to get rid of porn and pedopandering. Provided the works fit the policty (could I get a link to that BTW?) I don't see why the target audience should matter.

Well that's the thing.Prepubescent would be pedopandering but none of the characters in the serries fit that desciption when you consider that most of the main cast are the equivalent of high school freshmen/sophomores in the us with the exception of all but one who is still not prepubescent.

edited 6th May '12 11:22:47 AM by Chariot

Also noted.

Ninja'd.

edited 6th May '12 11:20:20 AM by tdgoodrich1

Because if it were Shounen, it would be pandering to an audience the same age as the main character (15?), not adults.

Because there's a big difference between a show that shows 12 year old characters as acceptable romantic targets with fanservice and aimed at 12 year olds, and the same age group as acceptable romantic targets in a show aimed at adults.

See my edit. A show that has fanservice in it will do so regardless of who it is aimed at. Honestly we should be judging this based off whether or not it is porn and how much fanservice there is/the characters subject to it rather than focusing on the target audience.

edited 6th May '12 11:45:07 AM by Chariot

It's not the be-all-end-all decision maker, but it is a factor. Eiken is shonen, and was still cut.

I think we need to leave this policy discussion to the About thread in here.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that one cut because it did sexaulize prepubescent children? As I've stated this one doesn't and so I don't think the target audience should be a factor. Though yeah, this is probably best to leave for someone else to decide.

It was cut for being nothing but fanservice, or as it has been put "as close to being porn without plot as you can without having sex". The age of the characters was a consideration, but not enough to cut on its own. </derail>

I see. I don't see what that has to do with my statement that was being responded to though.

I would like to point out that there is absolutely no way to mistake Ako, Riko, or Miharu for a prepubescent, as all are obviously well developed. That leaves Mikazuki, who unless I'm mistaken provides a good deal less fanservice than any of the others.

Already voted devil-head, preferring to cut.

Does anyone know both series well enough to give a comparison with Chu Bra on how heavily it sexualizes the middle school characters? I'm in the process of watching the anime series in the meantime.

This is easily one of the most explicit things I've seen (not that that's saying much).

High School Seining with Romance or even ecchi themes is likely to come up again (90% of anime are set in High School) so I don't think it should be cut for that alone.

I don't think things get more explicit than the occasional panty shot with that character who is supposed to be a year younger than the main character, however that's probably because it's the big sisters who are the ones with all the focus, being sexualised to an over the top degree.

Which is why I'd say cut because of porn. It's porn of the big sister fetish though.

edited 6th May '12 5:14:37 PM by UltimatelySubjective

While I wouldn't say I know either series well per se, I did much the same thing with Chu Bra as I did with Kiss X Sis Fri. afternoon while Pyrite looked at the manga. It starts here.

Admittedly it is less complete, although FWIW, based on what I saw of Chu Bra and Kiss X Sis, I would say Chu-Bra is far worse about blatant pedo-pandering. I recommended cutlisting Kiss X Sis for more pornography-related reasons.

Also, which anime? Chu Bra, KxS TV anime, or KxS OVAs?

No problemo, Meeble. Just in case I didn't make it clear, it was largely the OVAs that pushed me towards my "cutlist" verdict. Hope you have headphones. You might need them.

edited 6th May '12 5:52:50 PM by tdgoodrich1

Thanks. I'm starting with the Kiss X Sis anime, and I'll move on from there.

I'll look into it when I have time (region permitting), but my recommendation is to start with the version that's reputedly the "cleanest" - because it can only go downhill from there.

edited 6th May '12 6:20:10 PM by Pyrite