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Deadlock Clock: May 26th 2012 at 11:59:00 PM
AGroupie sick of it all from City of Angelic Devils Since: Oct, 2009
sick of it all
#1: Apr 21st 2012 at 5:24:05 PM

Examples need a major cleaning regarding some NSFW links. I'm listing this here since I don't want to act unilaterally. Also, I am not trying to stir up trouble or anything.

Personally, I'd also say the description needs to be trimmed at least, though I'd also think it might actually be a good idea to simply make it a redirect to Excuse Plot.

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ALibrarianofBabel Since: Apr, 2012
#2: Apr 21st 2012 at 6:12:07 PM

It's a specific example of excuse plot used in porn; even if it's made fun of in other media, I don't see much harm in cutting it altogether (and redirecting to Excuse Plot).

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animeg3282 Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Apr 21st 2012 at 6:55:34 PM

Shouldn't we give it to the 5P if we want to cut it due to the policy?

spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#4: Apr 21st 2012 at 7:43:09 PM

Is it a porn trope, or is it a pizza delivery, that is special in a different way. If it is a porn trope, what about merging this with Sexy Delivery Guy, whatever it is?

ThatHuman someone from someplace Since: Jun, 2010
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#5: Apr 21st 2012 at 7:46:45 PM

[up] It's about delivery guys in porn. But, a great number of examples on the page are just parodies of the concept from non-porn works.

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AGroupie sick of it all from City of Angelic Devils Since: Oct, 2009
sick of it all
#6: Apr 21st 2012 at 7:54:36 PM

Yeah. I'm actually in favor of a cut and redirect toward Excuse Plot and listing a brief description of it on the Excuse Plot page.

That said, the in-universe examples are pretty good so they are an argument for keeping it...

Maybe a trim, clean, and lock would be the best idea. Remove actual porn examples, keep in-universe non-porn references to porn using it as an Excuse Plot, and lock the page so no more can be added.

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Treblain Not An Avatar Since: Nov, 2012
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#7: Apr 21st 2012 at 7:57:41 PM

I wouldn't object to changing the description to make clear that this isn't about pornography itself, but there are no grounds to cut this. Almost all of the examples are from non-pornographic works (the Web Original folder needs to be looked at, though).

The key thing is, in non-porn examples, it has nothing to do with Excuse Plot. It's a stock situation, a comedy trope, a sitcom misunderstanding, a setup for an affair plot, so on, but not actually an Excuse Plot. If you redirected it to Excuse Plot, none of the non-porn examples would belong there. And even in porn it has more meaning than is implied by calling it an Excuse Plot; it just happens to be used as one.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#8: Apr 22nd 2012 at 1:59:48 AM

If most of the examples are not porn, then there is no reason to cut it. It's a stock comedy that is parodied in media.

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#9: Apr 22nd 2012 at 2:06:35 AM

The examples seem pretty clean. however the trope is not restricted to a pizza boy.... the pool boy, delivery guy, mail man.

These can be done for comedy, a source of an affair (Jim Brass's daughter in CSI is not actually his but an affair between her mom and the mail man.) spoofed and a lot of other things. This shows up in Glee of all places....

I could see a rename to broaden it though to cover everything and a complete rewrite of the description.

edited 22nd Apr '12 2:24:52 AM by Raso

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#10: May 23rd 2012 at 8:15:29 AM

Clocking due to lack of activity.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#11: May 31st 2012 at 9:42:50 AM

Locking up.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
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