The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Ask questions abut what? Did I miss something?

About why Fifty Shades Of Grey doesn't have a page, specifically, on thread page 165 or 166.

There is literally nothing we can do to keep people from making videos purportedly describing the site that Accentuate the Negative at best. There is literally nothing we can do to prevent people from going to Google and complaining about something on the wiki that isn't actually bad.

I don't think the wiki loses anything by having porn tropes or pages for works that were made or are, ahem, "appreciated" only as pornography, but I don't think the wiki loses anything by getting rid of them either.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

Fifty Shades of Grey is not a work of classic literature comparable to Fanny Hill, complete with censorship battles, bannings, and an entrance into the Canon. Fanny Hill is taught as a college - and, occasionally, 12th-grade AP English - textbook. The day Fifty Shades of Grey becomes any of those things, and is suddenly NOT a glorified BDSM fanfiction with the Twilight serial numbers filed off, is the day I might be inclined to give your parallels merit.

Also, I Spit on Your Grave was passed with three angels.

Would people stop misusing "Stop Having Fun" Guy please? It's meant to be about Video Game players that take tournament competition seriously. Not "More rules = Less Fun."

Don't take life too seriously. It's only a temporary situation.

So Pink Flamingos has been flagged. I'm really not sure how that one should be handled. It's not exactly PORN, and it's not pandering to pedophiles, but it's... well, it's SOMETHING.

*Reads trope page*

What, in the 9 circles of hell and spheres of heaven, is that?

edited 30th May '12 6:36:12 PM by TheFoxsCloak

Something with an absurd amount of Zero Context Examples, for starters.

Anyway, this what The Other Wiki says about it, for what it's worth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Flamingos

edited 30th May '12 6:33:02 PM by Catbert

It's John Waters. That's... really the only explanation that makes any amount of sense.

@ 4180 click link see image WTF.

edited 30th May '12 6:34:06 PM by Shadis

It's John Waters attempt to constantly cross the line over and over again.

It's So Bad, It's Good to some, So Bad Its Horrible in the eyes of many. I know it's not porn, but it's something you don't want to see.

"Pancakes. Oh, I blew it." - Joel Hodgson Nobody better lay a Butterfinger on my 3DS!

I've seen it, but I really don't know how we should begin to approach it. Like, I don't know how I would be able to help anyone make a judgment about this film, because it's just so out there and disgusting. But it isn't porn. Just... filthy.

Well, having watched Pink Flamingos, I can safely say that it isn't pornography^note There are a couple sex scenes, but they're more for the sake of shock value than titillation and there's no paedo-pandering material present^note All of the characters are adults., so it's safe to keep and clean, as far as I'm concerned. It's a filthy work, no doubt about that, but it ain't quite cut-worthy.

edited 30th May '12 6:40:24 PM by Komodin

Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.

"Just Filthy" sounds like my opinion of South Park but no one (including myself) want to cut that.

If it isn't porn than it isn't porn and therefore we should not concern ourselves with it.

edited 30th May '12 6:40:40 PM by Catbert

@Pink Flamingos: .... Firs time I even hear of the thing, and... What the hell did I just read?

Actually, IIRC Fast Eddie himself explicitly used "draconian" as a way to describe the way his running the site, and in the same context clarify how a democratic system is unfeasible for the site. But that's off-topic.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

South Park really has nothing on Pink Flamingos, maybe because South Park can dull the shock of its material somewhat because of the animation and art style. Pink Flamingos wasn't staged. Everything that happened in the movie, except the murders, actually happened. Like the chicken-fucking scene. And the feces-eating scene. And those sex scenes. And whatever else was in that movie that my brain blacked out for my own sanity.

OK I don't think I will be watching this one.

Okay, I gave Pink Flamingos an angelhead. It is audacious, but it ain't porno.

edited 30th May '12 6:59:31 PM by Komodin

Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.

Some how I doubt everything "actually happened". If they really had sex with a chicken, than surely they ran afowl of animal protection laws.

Speaking of, maybe we need a website policy for protecting animals against sexual exploitation by zooaphiles.

edited 30th May '12 6:54:37 PM by Catbert

Ugh, it's not linking to it, but there's an AV Club article that goes into how those chickens were, uh, killed in that sequence. Search Pink Flamingos on avclub.com, and go to the article about 21 movies that killed or abused animals.

edited 30th May '12 7:01:53 PM by LargoQuagmire

John Waters being who he is, it's somewhat difficult to say whether or not that scene was staged. That being said, he has never denied it...

Oh dear.

Well, I'm out of good ideas.

edited 30th May '12 7:12:07 PM by JHM

I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.

I don't think thats necessary because then we just get a bunch of Greek myths and furry stuff flagged that we have to look at in addition to all the stuff all ready on the table.

Links of considerable length are automatically broken up. If you remove the %20 from the URL after clicking the link, it will work.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/yes-animals-were-harmed-21-films-and-tv-shows-that,72051/2/

(Read at your own risk.)

I repeat, "remove the %20 from the URL after clicking the link."

edited 30th May '12 7:15:17 PM by FinalStarman

I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!

Page not found.

EDIT: I did.

edited 30th May '12 7:20:01 PM by BadWolf21

From the article:

"It speaks volumes about the depravity depicted throughout John Waters’ Pink Flamingos that the most memorable animal-related scene in a film about a battle for the title of Filthiest Person Alive isn’t the one where a chicken is killed during a particularly brutal sex scene. The most infamous part, of course, is at the end of the movie, when Divine waits for a dog to move its bowels, then shoves the shit into her mouth. But an hour before, viewers are subjected to about a minute and a half of live chickens being used as sex toys by Crackers (Danny Mills), Divine’s fetishist son, who’s showing off for Cotton (Mary Vivian Pearce), his mother’s equally perverted voyeuristic traveling companion. Crackers’ “date,” Cookie (Cookie Mueller)—who’s gathering intel for Divine’s rivals—knows she’s getting herself involved with something nasty when she agrees to the rendezvous, but those poor chickens are blindsided when they’re literally smashed between two naked bodies. Not that Cookie enjoys herself—at the beginning of the scene, it’s difficult to tell who is squawking the loudest, and she screams “No!” before Crackers demands that she “hold these goddamn chickens,” whose blood eventually gets smeared all over her body. Though there are definitely two chickens in the scene, most making-of accounts hold that that only one actually died. Whatever the case, it’s kind of surprising that PETA hasn’t boycotted everything Waters has done since."

There's also a fun little video afterwards where Waters talks in a thoroughly Waters-like way.

@4153: Yeah, I figured you probably meant something like that.

Although art style issues make me feel like judging character ages by their looks is pretty unreliable.

Edit: Also, is it just me or is it getting kind of hard to keep track of the status of things? So far I've seen two sandbox pages, a thread, and the voting tool itself, and even then there's things whose status I can't figure out. Like Hen and HangInThereKogasa-san. I can't find any reference to a decision on either of them, they're just gone. And I can't really tell if Operation Sanctuary was ever there or not.

edited 30th May '12 7:47:13 PM by Morganite

"So... the time has come for you to meet your demise..."