Page needs major pruning, full of overreactions.: Nightmare Fuel.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic

So, as pretty much anyone could see looking through the page (especially in Season 2), this page is absolutely full of completely innocent and not even vaguely frightening things that, at the worst when thought about could be unpleasant. Things like "The prospect of losing your home and entire livelyhood to a couple of sham artists is a very bleak one suffice to say." and the like plague the page.

I suggest some sort of "quality control" person who goes through the page, and gets rid of things that are complete overreactions. At the moment, a lot of the page could be moved to the Fridge tab. This show is not that scary (even if it does have it's moments), and doesn't really deserve a page longer than some shows that are known for being frightening.

edited 28th Jan '12 6:56:13 PM by MONEYMAN

Yeah, as someone who dealt with a fanboy trying for pages to get Discord on the Complete Monster list, I can agree with this. But get a concesses and okay from the mods first before you start an edit war.

Every single episode has at least three examples. This is completely, completely ridiculous. Ugh. This is why I dislike Accidental Nightmare Fuel. Tropers list as many examples as possible to lengthen the page, and make it a badge of honor.

You think this page looks bad now? A few months back there was a High Octane Nightmare Fuel page.

For this show. My Little Pony.

edited 28th Jan '12 8:23:06 PM by PDL

So how would I go about getting a mod's approval to prune the page?

You don't need a mod's approval. Delete all the bad entries.

See what I mean when I talk about Nightmare Fuel's current subpages needing to be scrapped?

edited 29th Jan '12 7:52:28 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

Aaaand there. Page has been pruned of overreactions and the like. I also put a commented thing on the edit page.

Probably want to keep the page on your watchlist and monitor it closely. But good job.

Good job cutting out the hyperbole, but I'm going to cut all the other entries too, unless there's some objection. None of them are examples. Even the intro, quote and pic incorrectly define nightmare fuel as "creepy stuff."

This page is just one more example of why Nightmare Fuel needs to be no examples fanspeak.

What? No, the whole page doesn't need cutting. There is some stuff that has potential to be Nightmare Fuel. The page right now is fine.

I think the main problem is that people still get the proper definition of Nightmare Fuel wrong. According to its page it's for when things aren't supposed to be scary, but are. Quickly skimming through the page a lot of the examples don't seem to fit since they were probably made to be somewhat scary e.g. Ursa Major, Windigos, Timberwolves. Stuff like the Adult Fear of Snips and Snails going alone into the forest, the CMC getting trapped in the candy machine, Filly Twilight losing her powers etc. are better examples of NF.

I'm not sure what the former examples fall under. They're meant to be intimidating, but are nowhere near bad enough to be HONF... I think they're something akin to Defanged Horrors.

I'd say hold off on doing anything too drastic until the Nightmare Fuel TRS reaches some sort of a decision.

It's a subjective trope, but people are definitely seeing NF where it isn't.

ANF discussion reached its conclusion - no merging, no name change. ANF is still "scary, but not intended as such."

The namespace discussion also reached its conclusion - this subpage must be renamed to Acidental Nightmare Fuel / My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, rather than merged with the series's HONF page.

So the page's current description, quote, image and examples are wrong.

edited 24th Feb '12 2:17:30 PM by Routerie

"Scary, but not intended as such", you mean?

Haha, definitely. Thanks.

This belongs on special efforts.

(Not sure if I should start a new thread for this, the issue is pretty similar but quite different at the same time)

The Heartwarming, Tearjerker and Awesome pages also seem to suffer from similar problems. The Heartwarming page seems to be a collection of everything remotely cute or friendly anyone does to anyone, the Tearjerker page contains examples of almost every unpleasant thing that happens, and every time a character accomplishes anything, someone puts that on the Awesome page.

I am not sure if that sort of query goes in multiple TRS threads or in Special Efforts - methinks that cleanup goes to the latter, but making guidelines for content needs the former.

All those pages need cleaning up.

As does it's funny page. If a character does something slightly comedic, it gets thrown in.

Edit: But wow. The Tear Jerker page is by far the worst.

edited 3rd Mar '12 7:09:49 PM by SilentColossus

You think this page looks bad now? A few months back there was a High Octane Nightmare Fuel page.

So? High Octane Nightmare Fuel means intentionally scary things. Twilight's Nightmare Face in Lesson Zero was almost certainly intentional, for example.

I think the show's Adult Fears including kids going into the Everfree Forest and Defanged Horrors like Twilight being turned to stone in Stare Master and the more malicious actions made by Discord should go on a High Octane Nightmare Fuel page while stuff like Twilight's NightmareFaces in Lesson Zero are more on the lines of Accidental Nightmare Fuel.

edited 4th Mar '12 9:20:40 AM by CyberTiger88

Except that even the faces may have been on some level meant to be creepy.

See, this is part of the problem with the distinction in general; apart from so author intent being ambiguous, different users have different ideas of what High Octane Nightmare Fuel and Accidental Nightmare Fuel mean, and in turn of the distinction between them. Until/unless we come to a more solid decision on these things, any "cleanup" might turn out to be in the wrong direction.