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Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Dec 21st 2011 at 8:24:37 PM

This is basically a general watching thread for cleaning up articles that are relying way too much on using external links to explain their examples. After all, external links may go dead or break, we can't use them as a substitute for a good citation.

Two such pages I stumbled across recently:

edited 26th Jun '13 11:47:07 AM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Dec 22nd 2011 at 10:32:36 AM

This type of thing has always been a blight on the webcomic pages, IMO. Can we finally get rid of this type of thing now?

Oglaf is probably another example. I haven't checked it thoroughly, but it looks like there's about two weblinks for every example with an actual explanation. (I can volunteer to fix it if needed; I'm not familiar enough with the other works.)

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
Dec 22nd 2011 at 11:31:35 AM

I really don't think this a problem. Rather, it's an advantage of webcomics; we can use links to help illustrate the examples.

Now, if it's nothing but the link, then yeah, that's just a different breed of X Just X and needs more detail. But most of the ones I see are more like this:

than this:

The latter is wrong (and is a hypothetical example; the page uses the former) and should be expanded, but the former is perfectly fine. It's clear enough without the link, but with the link its even better.

DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Dec 22nd 2011 at 1:24:25 PM

[up]OK, thanks for the clarification.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Dec 22nd 2011 at 6:37:17 PM

When I've used outside links (like with webcomics) I've always included enough information to get the point across in the text itself, in addition to the link.

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Dec 22nd 2011 at 6:42:14 PM

Discar's got it right. External links can be used to compliment the explanation of a trope — they just can't be used as the explanation. The purpose here is for performing cleanup on examples that rely exclusively on their external links.

edited 22nd Dec '11 6:42:42 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Dec 23rd 2011 at 5:14:54 PM

I'd also say that Oglaf should have all its links but the one up top blanked. That site is very NSFW, even if the specific comic is.

Fight smart, not fair.
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Dec 23rd 2011 at 5:15:34 PM

Wonderella is a major offender... and I'm guilty of a couple.

So what if I fixed that up?

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Jan 27th 2012 at 11:03:57 AM

Awkward Zombie also seems to be a major offender. Anyone got the time?

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Mar 18th 2012 at 3:52:44 PM

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edited 23rd Jul '17 2:42:34 PM by Jicragg

Lightflame Stick of the Fallen from where you can't find me Relationship Status: Drowning in your pond, hoping you'll notice me
Stick of the Fallen
Mar 24th 2012 at 7:36:46 AM

Not Always Right. Every example, I think.

"Oh great! Let's pile up all the useless cats and hope a tree falls on them!"
Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Mar 24th 2012 at 12:38:46 PM

The links on Boobs Ahoy seem to have all broken. They need to be either fixed or removed.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Mar 28th 2012 at 2:50:15 PM

On Not Always Right and Zinnia Jones, the names of the episodes usually explain what the episode is about, thus not being that much of a problem. But yeah, some fleshing out may be in order.

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
May 5th 2012 at 8:23:49 AM

The Non-Adventures of Wonderella is rich in weblinks and poor in no-weblinks explanations.

SeaKitten I CAN HAS FRAMING? from The Left Coast
I CAN HAS FRAMING?
May 5th 2012 at 3:01:21 PM

Troll Fic has a bunch of examples consisting of a link with little or no explanatory text. (Also some which probably violate our new content guidelines, but that's another matter.)

Who could that be at this hour?
Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
May 5th 2012 at 7:18:48 PM

Deboss@7: Oglaf has a warning/screener page, so you can't see anything NSFW unless you already have the cookie. Previous discussions have suggested that's acceptable.

Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
GingerSnaps Tired forever.
Tired forever.
May 6th 2012 at 11:45:16 AM

Unsurprisingly, Vapor Wear has a few issues with this.

What is this "sleep" you speak of?
Aug 13th 2012 at 11:05:54 AM

Sinfest like most webcomics has a huge problem with this.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Aug 13th 2012 at 2:36:44 PM

I added context to about half the bad examples on the Wonderella page. But there's a database error right now on that site, so the rest will have to wait.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
Aug 13th 2012 at 3:46:56 PM

^^ Thanks for reminding me, I had made plans to work on Freefall to fix that, but it slipped my mind. It'll have to wait until tomorrow, though. Stupid Real Life, making me have to actually work to pay my bills. tongue

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DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Aug 14th 2012 at 1:56:05 PM

[up][up]Thank you very much!

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Aug 20th 2012 at 8:11:29 PM

Finished fixing the Wonderella page.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Oct 9th 2012 at 9:16:49 AM

Songs To Wear Pants To has every example simply linked to the website.

Jan 28th 2013 at 9:39:30 PM

The amount of dead links in the meme section of My Little Pony:Friendshipis Magic is outright embarrasing.

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jan 29th 2013 at 12:29:35 AM

Courtesy link: Memes.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic.

I think you can just comment out the offending memes, or put them on to the discussion page.


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