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CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
Mar 24th 2018 at 1:12:20 PM

It was a nice collection of oddballs doing supernatural adventures which were weird and dark but not GRIMDARK.

I loved the Enchantress and Nightmaster in it.

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
Mar 27th 2018 at 1:08:59 PM

William Messner-Loebs who once wrote Wonder Woman and is the creator of Artemis is homeless.

Very sad to hear. I'll keep him in my prayers.

Apr 1st 2018 at 1:58:04 AM

So I recalled that in the Golden Age the Amazons' powers were some kind of charles atlas superpower where they trained to get superpowers. And this could be taught to anyone. And while I don't like much of Marston's original ideas, I do like the idea of "anyone can be Wonder Woman if they work hard enough". I'v been thinking of bringing back an idea like this with some updates. I've even looked at some shonen manga power sources like Nen in Hunter X Hunter and magic in A Certan Magical Index (in which magic takes the form of religion) for some inspiration.


RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
May 24th 2018 at 3:18:29 AM

The Ancient Greeks would be spinning in their grave if they learned that their Straw Feminist Amazon culture that they made to self-validate their own(even at the time) misogyny has been reworked by Wonder Women as a symbol of feminism. I always loved that Marston was, intentionally or not, giving the finger to them. And it's yet another reason to hate it whenever DC's Amazons dip into Straw Feminist tendencies

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May 24th 2018 at 3:32:31 AM

Well I'm sure the Ancient Greeks would love Amazons Attack,Flashpoint and the New 52.

May 24th 2018 at 10:24:40 AM

I mean they’re ancient Greeks so somebody would have to translate them first.

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May 26th 2018 at 8:11:46 PM

Someone get Julia Kapatelis.

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May 28th 2018 at 1:18:35 PM

Well, a couple month's back, but bringing up Marvel's Thor, I will admit a couple things. If I had to write marvel's Thor I probably would leave it alone rather than rework it to my tastes. That's probably because I was more a marvel fan, growing up, than a DC one, so Marvel Thor has grown on me. At the same time, writing Marvel Thor doesn't actually interest me. I could probably write a hundred different stories centered around the gods of Norse mythology and about 100 more themed around Norse mythology in general, each with their own setting and tone, switching the genre and framing device each time to make them distinct from one another, and I almost guarantee you that not a single one of them would read like Marvel Thor.

There are two prominent figures in Norse stories named Loki, and a couple of similar named things that are often confused with them, and any of them Thor's brother makes no sense to me, not under the circumstances these things came to be in Marvel's comics, anyway. Making the Loki that lives in asgard his arch enemy is even more baffling when they still acknowledge the existence of Heimdal and the out lands Loki. In fact, if it's not some sort of nostalgia it might just be resignation at the fact the things Marvel has done to other pantheons, particularly the so called "Heliopolians", are worse.

But no, I don't think it would be in me to go on a DC Wonder Woman project and not make some noticeable changes. That change wouldn't necessarily have to be moving it closer to classical mythology, but then it would probably end up being some cherry picked mismatch of various silver age and post crisis elements or a standalone take on her golden age stories where the wider DC universe doesn't exist.

I'm fine with every woman being able to get Wonder Woman strength if "they believe in themselves" and such. A lot of her golden age supporting characters, allies and villains really don't make any sense in the "power come from the gods" take on the character. What I wouldn't really want to see is such a degree of Charles Atlas Super Power existing in the same setting as, say, Batman. Despite being the Marvel fan, I admit DC has done the shared universe thing better, mainly because their universe reboots itself more, but I still think there are characters who would have been better off sitting out. The golden age versions of Green Lantern and Wonder Woman in particular, Captain Marvel in general. Even with the Silver Age onward versions of Wonder Woman, even if I liked their implementation of classical mythology, I'd still have to take into account Aquaman and Captain Marvel if I want to dig into those elements for plots, and chances are I don't want either one of them related to my Wonder Woman story in any way.

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Jun 5th 2018 at 1:45:36 AM

Thinking about it some more, Zeus might make for a better villain for WW than Ares. Ares was awful but Zeus was a thousand times worse. A misogynistic, murdering, hypocritical rapist. Honestly surprised they've never gone this route before outside of maybe Gail Simone's run. I doubt they'll do it now.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jun 11th 2018 at 1:05:43 AM

God of War beat them too it in making Zeus the villain. Given Zeus is the Top God, one wonders what that says about Ancient Greeks

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CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
Jun 11th 2018 at 9:34:32 PM

Notably, Socrates got in trouble for pointing this out.

The Greeks also envisioned Zeus as a god of good government, justice, and law.

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Jun 11th 2018 at 9:37:31 PM

The jokes just write themselves.

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Jun 11th 2018 at 10:02:07 PM

Ares is a jerkhole, but his daddy is worse. I actually think it would have been awesome if Ares was portrayed as taken a level in kindness since his ancient days, especially the fact that when he became Mars he became more of a responsible figure.

I mean Ares was considered a patron of the Amazons, so making him their enemy is baffling since he was said to be the father of one of the Amazon queens.

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Jun 11th 2018 at 10:04:21 PM

Considering Ares(as far as I can remember) didn't start any wars but only participated in them as well as the fact he treats his children well, he comes across as the lesser douchebag.

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Jun 11th 2018 at 10:10:21 PM

Given how hated Ares is by his own parents, he could have many daddy issues with Zeus, since he was considered his least favorite child.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jun 14th 2018 at 5:27:01 PM

Ares also got Adaptational Heroism in the form of Mars from Roman Mythology. It'd be easy to say Ares/Mars Took a Level in Kindness from his Hate Sink days in Grecian times.

Zeus being a villain also kind of works based on his family history. His father Cronus was once head of a Golden Age, fighting against his tyrannical father Uranus and freeing his offspring. But he became progressively more of a dick. Zeus's Jerkass Gods behavior could be easily construed as a He Who Fights Monsters situation. If Zeus was the villain, they could explain that the champion of law and justice is early Zeus and the sleazy hypocritical Zeus is what he became in the Classical Age. Then by the modern age he's devolved further into a misogynistic and outdated tyrant.

So yeah, Zeus would fit as a Wonder Woman villain since his Jerkass Gods behavior is easy to deconstruct in the modern days. And Uranus would serve as the ultimate Greater-Scope Villain, along with actually giving him something to do besides "the Starter Villain to the Predecessor Villain"

On another note, I liked it whenever they made Ares Hippolyta's father as in the myths, since that makes an interesting dynamic. Though they didn't really expand on that, which is unfortunate. Ares being Hippolyta's father would also allow you to make Diana a demigod while keeping her clay doll origin consistent. Hmm...on that note, since that origin only had a mother, does that mean Wondy's kind of the result of parthenogenesis? Is that the reason she looks like a younger version of her mother?

edited 14th Jun '18 5:32:13 PM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

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Jun 14th 2018 at 5:46:38 PM

@ RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

I know Ares is becoming more of a God Of Evil in modern portrayal, due to the fact he was never popular except as Mars. But as you said, he could be shown to become more humane due to becoming loved by the Romans something that he probably would have been waiting all his life to be given.

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Jun 15th 2018 at 11:47:16 AM

I wouldn't mind that being true.

Jul 11th 2018 at 10:20:58 AM

G. Willow Wilson will be taking over Wonder Woman in December

So, in the words of London Tipton, yay me!smile

Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:38:48 PM

Phil Jiminze's run will be reprinted.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Aug 10th 2018 at 10:47:03 PM

Wonder Woman adaptations and even comics seem to flip-flop on whether she's Really 700 Years Old or not. Amazons are The Ageless and for the most part no-one's been to Man's World until Diana, so it makes me wonder if it matters if she's 20 years old or 2000

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Aug 18th 2018 at 6:50:50 AM

[up] I'm fine with either as long as Diana isn't immortal. That gets old hat easily. I prefer the idea that she lost her immortality when she entered Man's World. Likewise, Superman isn't immortal either.

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Aug 21st 2018 at 3:58:31 PM

Greek Ares is actually a big fucking wuss "IE he only joins the side thats winning... and will change sides'

Ares as an unstoppable badass only came after the Romans merged him with their concepts of Mars

DC's Ares is kinda a spilt between the two versions

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