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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
I’d really love it if Marvel actually imposed a hard ratio for their floating timeline. I think Dan Slott’s 4 real years/1 Marvel year estimate makes a lot of sense, but there’s still some outliers like the Academy X kids having hit their twenties while Spider-Man, created almost exactly FORTY years earlier, hasn’t left them yet.
the closer you are to being a main viewed character the slower you age. if you go to being a background character or stop appearing at all you can age.
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x4 Sounds like they're trying to better integrate the X-Men into the larger MU. I understand why, but it seems wrong to me.
X-Men works better as its own thing.
Edited by kkhohoho on May 13th 2024 at 1:56:20 AM
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It seems like with Kitty they like any young character rushed her to adulthood while the characters around her haven't aged much.
People like mutants being in none X-Men books though. Hell Beast's tenure as an Avenger is very popular especially his friendship with Wonder Man.
Wouldn't have gotten that if all mutants where locked away in their own corner with no opportunity to interact with other characters.
Edited by slimcoder on May 13th 2024 at 1:58:57 AM
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Maybe, but it's not as if though they need any of that. Mutants work better when they don't co-exsist with other metahumans who aren't hated and feared. If Marvel does a full reboot, X-Men should be its own separate universe because that makes the most sense.
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I feel thats a bad terrible idea to just cut them off like that. Rather denies us any sort of interesting interactions, stories, or team-ups if we follow that logic.
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Second this, would be a horrible decision to split the X-Men away from the rest of the Marvel Universe.
Besides, marvel civilians seem to hate most super humans anyway.
Henry Gyrich in the comics had a bone to pick with anyone that wasn't a baseline human.
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Yeah, well, Outer Space had a bone to pick with Henry Gyrich too.
We all saw how that turned out.![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
I'm honestly baffled that dude lasted as long as he did.
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It you want it to be part of the Marvel Universe then it needs to make sense as part of the Marvel Universe. Either treat other superhumans the same way as mutants or mutants the same way as other superhumans.
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Not really, even then as noted the Marvel Universe isn't really that tolerant of superhumans to begin with.
Mutants just get it a bit worse.
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It also doesn't really take much for Marvel civilians to start hating on superheroes. Such as Civil War and the reveal on how Eternals' resurrection works. There was even an arc in Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force where an alternate timeline had humanity hunt down & kill all superheroes, including nonpowered ones such as Punisher, & convert them all to Deathloks.
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Yeah.
Honestly Marvel, go all in on something.
Either make it so the world is better off without heroes (and they get wiped out by the alien threats that keep coming) or have people realize they're better off with the heroes (and stop hunting mutants).
You can have one, but not both. The world needs to change in some way, especially X-Men-wise.
Edited by HandsomeRob on May 13th 2024 at 5:21:01 AM
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We got our big previews with creative teams planed to be announced later this week
Like reflections in the glass!
Wait...
Apocalypse is joining the Avengers? That seems like a bridge too far.
I think it should also be noted that because of rights issues, you guys get worlds where the X-men are the only superhumans all the time. You have the FOX movies and like half of the cartoons. It's not like this is some mysterious thing we can't imagine.
Johnny Storm got put into a coma by a hate mob and he's the most popular of all superheroes.
I also feel like this assumes racist logic in Marvel has to make sense.
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It also assumes racist logic anywhere makes sense. The thing is racism is never supposed to make sense both in fiction & in real life.
Where was the announcement that Apocalypse is joining the Avengers?
Edited by KRider on May 13th 2024 at 5:07:36 AM
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The Advertisement for Avengers said Earth's Mightiest Mutant will join them.
So we making bets on who?
Outside of Apocalypse, there's Magneto. That'd be an interesting story arc.
Pietro would be pissed.
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There's also Synch (who's been given a megapush ever since Krakoa began), Legion & possibly even Exodus (given how Hope has been a positive influence on him).
That sounds like an excuse to have your cake and eat it too.
Remember when Wasp boned Magneto because Jim Shooter thought he'd join the Avengers?
Edited by kkhohoho on May 13th 2024 at 5:34:33 AM
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Synch feels like he'd be an interesting choice (his powers more or less let him synergize with anyone so he'd be good for teamwork), Legion would give them a telepath, which they've mostly lacked.
Exodus would be a hell of a thing, considering fuck humans has been his bread and butter even harder than Magneto.
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Plus Brevoort has apparently stated Synch will maintain his push so him joining the Avengers is a strong possibility.
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Yeah brevoort said he'd still be getting seen but he wasn't on any announcement so him joining the avengers would fit. But magneto joining them would be interesting, and his x-men team is the one written by Mc Kay.
Wait forgot Wanda was on the current avengers keep magneto away have it be synch.
Edited by Deadpoolrocks on May 13th 2024 at 7:09:39 AM
Kitty is in her twenties and has a computer degree.
I don't think there's any problem with her and Colossus unless you want to pretend no time has passed in-universe.
(This was why people were against Peter Wisdom and Kitty because they kept assuming Kitty was still a teenager)
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