X-Men In General

I think that Destiny will be a great foil for Moira over time, even if brief. The way Hickman wrote her in HOX #2 is pretty amazing, and of course Mystique would want her back. And even though Xavier and Magneto have worked together in the past, I really love the shot of them both saying "But it's different this time" after freaking out Moira.

The gradual breakdown of Xavier's hopes for his dreams may be one of the reasons why he reverted to legacy versions of his mind in previous issues.

There's a nice parallel between The Librarian's speech about observation vs. Moira's letting Xavier observe her lives mentally.

Edited by flawlessvoid on Oct 9th 2019 at 3:55:32 PM

The sixth timeline is reminiscent of Childhood's End, which makes me wonder if ultimate resolution is for mutants to help escort humanity to that post-Singularity path, leaving Earth free for future mutants to use. I'd expect in that case for Moira to eventually realize that Mutants vs Humanity isn't a zero-sum game and join the Singularity in her final life.

12 issues feels like a bit much for a prologue, if I'm honest. 12 issues spent almost solely on world-building and set-up.

Hickman is so very much not for me.

Edit: I also find it vaguely irritating that Destiny, of all mutants, is the only one who has to stay dead. The one who was part of a prominent, long-term, loving same-sex relationship. Even in a set-up where no one stays dead, the lesbian stays buried.

Edited by Tiamatty on Oct 9th 2019 at 11:29:05 AM

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Hey its a brand new age/status quo.

No more extinction events...... hopefully.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

its all precogs so blindfold is presumably out too.

Wallflower is still dead just to upset Hamburger Time.

I very much doubt that Destiny is going to stay dead. Xavier promising Mystique that he will bring Destiny back is a Chekovs Gun that will probably be fired during the main X-Men book written by Hickman.

Also, while POX seems like it's more of a prologue, HOX is a complete story in itself. If you just read HOX, there is a beginning, middle, and end, and the only confusing bit would be Issue #2, which is all about Moira and only comes into play during POX.

Yeah, but Destiny is actually name-dropped as not allowed to be resurrected. Literally the only mutant that gets singled out is a queer character, one who was in a romantic relationship with another prominent character.

Between this and "make more mutants," there's a weird undercurrent of heteronormativity implied in Krakoa. I mean, I can't see Hickman's books having much in the way of queer couples, given he's got a shit history where that's concerned, and presumably, the story is setting it up for Destiny to be restored, and for her and Mystique to put at risk the Krakoan community that's been created, meaning a lesbian couple will almost destroy paradise. And that very well may literally the only same-sex couple Hickman bothers showing.

Edit: Not really. Ho X is still mostly part of the world-building. The story of Ho X is really just there to demonstrate the resurrection pods, and how Krakoa gets recognized as a nation.

Edited by Tiamatty on Oct 9th 2019 at 12:01:03 PM

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Hickman tends to zig where you think he'll zag, so I doubt it's Destiny and Mystique who will bring down Krakoa, but rather Xavier and Magneto's own hubris. We saw at the end there that they were disregarding Moira's own advice — and had even gone to Sinister behind her back — so they might be laying the cracks of Krakoa's doom. Or not — this time might be different and Krakoa might survive.

Also, I was wondering what "Homo novissima" (the Post-Humans in Year 1000) stood for and looked it up: "Last Man." Damn you, Hickman, of course that's what they would name themselves, since they didn't want anyone else to come after them.

I really don't think "create more mutants via a weird five mutant process involving Goldballs" is in any way heteronormative. Remember: sex isn't the only way to make more mutants anymore.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 9th 2019 at 9:04:58 AM

Was it said that the Five were able to make new mutants? I thought they were just used for bringing back dead ones.

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The rule isn't "make new mutants." The rule is "make more mutants." "More" could apply to new baby mutants or dead mutants that they bring back to life.

Also, remember that Sinister can create Chimeras in the future — and he's already created one in the present (himself). Those are new mutants made from existing mutant DNA. All you have to worry about is Sinister himself.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 9th 2019 at 9:12:33 AM

If you can't trust a man named Mr. Sinister who can you trust?

I’m sure Goldballs can be trusted.

Why wouldn’t you trust a man named balls?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

It's like having a dude name Traitor Mc Untrustworthy....

....or as she's more commonly known, MYSTIQUE.

I'm slightly saddened by the fact that Charles being a good guy was his greatest weakness. But again, he's gotta break all his usual rules.

I so want this to work. Mutants deserve a win: a real win. I doubt want it to blow up in everyone's face, and while the idea that mutants no longer have ANY human allies is sad, maybe they just gotta do things their own way first.

Also, I'll once again say that it's funny as hell that trying to make the Inhumans like Mutants utterly failed and ruined them, while trying to make Mutants closer to Inhumans with their own nation and shit (though it's not the first time they've done that to be fair) seems to be a big success for them both in universe (so far) and out.

Take That! Blackbolt.

One Strip! One Strip!

Rule of the multiverse: Goldballs is always right. Never doubt Goldballs.

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So at least part of Moria's opposition to Destiny coming back has to be the whole "she had me burnt alive slowly to maximise the pain" bit right?

Edited by Shaoken on Oct 9th 2019 at 11:21:15 AM

I mean charles has been shady literally his whole time he has been in comics so I guess moira really fucked up his moral center with her lives.

Interesting; I assumed "novissima" meant "the most new" or "newest", as if it were a riff on New X-Men, with post-humans being even more new than the mutants.

It's implied that she's ultimately responsible for Onslaught, so...yeah.

Nope, it means "last" apparently.

God, I hope not. Onslaught is a story that should stay in the past.

What? Where is that implied?

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In her journal. She states that breaking Xavier and making him less 'good' may lead to something 'unexpected.' AKA Onslaught.

Moira's Journal, Entry 14: "My concern — my paramount fear — is that I fracture his psyche and eventually unleash something unexpected on the world."

Another entry is about finding a genetic match in order to produce a mutant that can manipulate reality, i.e. Moira found genetic matches for her and Charles so that they could produce Proteus and Legion.

Preview for Hickman's X-Men #1.

Two interesting thoughts: they are still fighting Orchis, which might end up being the Big Bad of Hickman's run, and Corsair is listed as one of the X-Men, even though he's not a mutant. He is related to many mutants, however, so they probably do allow non-mutants to stay on Krakoa if they are related to mutants.

Oh and Hickman is still doing the codes on the title pages. This one is "mutants of the world unite." And the title of the issue is, of course, "Pax Krakoa."

Edited by alliterator on Oct 10th 2019 at 12:48:52 PM

One thing that bothers me about the relaunch titles announced thus far is the lack of a school-focused book. Like, yeah, the focus now is on Krakoa, but having an Academy of Adventure in a niche that the X-Men have traditionally excelled at given their Loads And Loads Of Characters and nature as a soap opera. You could even tie it into Krakoa by having it be about the establishment of its own education system and how the Quiet Council goes about establishing it.