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#19001: Dec 28th 2020 at 3:00:25 PM

It's possible (source: happened to me) that Joyce has always been this visually impaired, and just never realized it was unusual.

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#19002: Dec 28th 2020 at 4:44:03 PM

Regardless, to go from functional to "can't recognize a fountain" in three months seems extreme. Feels like Willis fishing for a cartoony joke in detriment of a more realistic one to me.

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#19003: Dec 28th 2020 at 9:06:10 PM

I assume that this at least somewhat goes under the banner of "Joyce is autobiographical".

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#19005: Dec 29th 2020 at 2:23:15 AM

So Carol and Hank are getting that divorce huh?

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#19006: Dec 29th 2020 at 4:16:21 AM

...eh, bit overdramatic there, Joyce.

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#19008: Dec 30th 2020 at 1:44:04 PM

Wendy's does have the best nuggets of any national fast-food chain, it's true.

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#19009: Dec 30th 2020 at 3:51:13 PM

Ahaha, no Becky, she said that Joyce was your best friend. There's an important distinction.

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#19011: Dec 30th 2020 at 9:28:14 PM

"This is going to be extremely painful, Miss Brown.."

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#19012: Dec 31st 2020 at 9:55:40 AM

[up][up] Which she probably doesn't have. She may just be nearsighted.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#19013: Dec 31st 2020 at 10:09:56 AM

She's just never noticed because she's also been short-sighted, but now her world's opening up and she's straining to see the long view.

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#19014: Dec 31st 2020 at 11:09:20 AM

Also she has to see the chalkboard now and not just the kitchen table, I think this has been mentioned in comic. Oh I see how that also works with the metaphor.

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#19015: Dec 31st 2020 at 12:40:39 PM

[up][up][up] Although astigmatism would help explain why it's taken so long for her to realize the issue. Because it interferes with perceiving lines, people who are more astigmatic than near-sighted may not realize their vision is blurry until they try to read something distant, and of course, they may assume it's normal for a while.

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#19017: Dec 31st 2020 at 10:26:36 PM

Hindsight's 2020.

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#19018: Jan 1st 2021 at 6:42:20 AM

So one disadvantage of the fact that I tended to pop into and out of this comic until about a year ago is that I'm legitimately confused about why A. Needing glasses is such a big deal to Joyce, and more importantly, B. Why Joyce needing glasses is such a big deal to Becky that she's helping Joyce try to cheat the vision test. Is this just an extension of the mostly-in-her-head Becky-vs-Dorothy rivalry where she's compelled to take the opposite side of Dorothy how matter how destructive that position is?

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#19019: Jan 1st 2021 at 7:52:29 AM

>Is this just an extension of the mostly-in-her-head Becky-vs-Dorothy rivalry where she's compelled to take the opposite side of Dorothy how matter how destructive that position is?

Yes.

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#19020: Jan 1st 2021 at 8:07:58 AM

Becky also seems to be under the impression that enabling bad habits is what a good friend should do.

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#19021: Jan 1st 2021 at 9:14:14 AM

Becky is wearing incredibly thin on me at this point. Like, I absolutely get that joke about how Joyce was the most socialized member of that homeschool group now, because Becky is like, actively sabotaging Joyce's wellbeing as part of a feud that she made up against a person who hasn't done a single thing to antagonize her, and it makes me a little bit curious about how bad the other members of the homeschool group are.

I get that Becky is probably compensating for a lot of really complicated feelings and is trying to make it look like everything's fine, but the jokes about the dynamic between her and Dorothy stopped being funny a while ago. Because at this point, it's Becky antagonizing Dorothy for no real reason, Dorothy just no-selling it and not responding, and everyone else either ignoring it or enabling Becky.

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#19022: Jan 1st 2021 at 10:31:44 AM

[up] It feels less like active sabotage and more like a misguided attempt to be helpful.

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#19023: Jan 1st 2021 at 10:43:38 AM

I would buy that for some of the earlier stuff, but like...Joyce very obviously needs glasses and if Becky somehow succeeded, she would have just set Joyce up for bigger and bigger failure in the future. She's not thinking about consequences at all, and it's really obvious it's a combination of enabling and wanting to get one up on Dorothy.

Becky's a pretty shitty friend, especially in this sequence. Joyce has a lot of hangups, yes, but Becky is feeding into them in a really dangerous way and if Becky isn't shut down and given a reality check, it could potentially lead into something really, really dangerous in the future.

It does not help that Becky literally made up a rivalry and refuses to acknowledge that it's entirely one-sided and that made up rivalry is feeding into her enabling of Joyce because if she has to oppose Dorothy and Dorothy is being the reasonable and logical one, that means Becky needs to have increasingly delusional positions in order to keep it up.

I've seen some of this stuff happen with people IRL and it basically just leads to a huge breakdown of communication and a huge fight because the enabling reached a point that comes off as deranged and completely detached from reality and the consequences finally came to roost. It hits pretty close to home to me.

Edited by Zendervai on Jan 1st 2021 at 1:43:50 PM

Not Three Laws compliant.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#19024: Jan 1st 2021 at 12:02:13 PM

I think that could be the point, honestly. To show that Becky isn’t helping, and she’s taking this thing way too far.

TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#19025: Jan 1st 2021 at 12:31:52 PM

Can we please move on from this plotline already? It stopped being fun about ten strips before it started and has now grown into being permanently annoying. Yes, Becky is jealous and irrationally supportive because of it. We get it. Develop something new or move on, please.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Jan 1st 2021 at 5:32:45 PM


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