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, we need to take out the in-jokey Understatement references. People are using it to make any given example "witty" rather than actually using the trope.
It's is extremely excessive, by early calculations there is a 95% misuse rate in that regard. But don't worry, the actual number to fix seems to be less than 9,000 (about 8700).
{Note, as of 12:30 am September 19th, the tally is down to 4228; We've gotten over halfway.}
{Note 2: as of 8:37 pm September 29th, it's down to 2412}
{Note 3: as of 6:16 Am October 3, there are 1868 wicks remaining. If the original assessment of ~90% misuse turns out to be correct, there will be between 800 and 900 good wicks left when we're done.}
{Note 4: As of 2:50 pm, October 6th, there were 1079 wicks remaining.}
{Note 5: as of 8:58 am on October 10, there were 729 wicks remaining. The entire list had been scrubbed. 111 of that 729 are those that a software glitch counts even though the page it's supposedly on no longer exists.}
{Note 6: Fast Eddie has modified the wick counter so that it no longer counts the dead namespaces "JBM" or "Crowning *". This killed off 75 of the phantom wicks remaining, for a final tally of 655 good wicks remaining of 8700+ original wicks}
Cleared Punctuated titles starting with:
- Completed!!
Cleared unpunctuated titles starting with:
- A-Z!
edited 21st Oct '11 8:54:57 AM by Madrugada
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I do wonder what is the next Maddy-led Special Effort?
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Reopened per Ask The Tropers discussion.
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Let's focus on Understatement for now. I know I've mentioned Sarcasm Mode and Blatant Lies as well in the ATT discussion but we shouldn't be dealing with multiple sarcasm tropes at once.
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I'll note it in the proper forum, but I think the manual labor should wait a bit. It would be a fairly simple job to provide the parser with a blacklist of strings never to form into a free-link. For example, "understatement" bracketed with any other text would not form a link, yet would still form a link when curly-braced.
Much, much less work to build than a crew would expend bruising their fingers for hours and hours.
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We're not doing what we did with IANMTU, if that's what you're suggesting.
That was a substitution, right? Not what I was suggesting. I'm not sure how to say it any more clearly.
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I've floated the idea to the moderator discussion, but it probably will take some time.
Sarcasm Mode and Blatant Lies need their own threads, yes. And a consensus is needed for Sarcasm Mode.
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Maybe it could be more clear. The text in the brackets other than the blacklisted word would still appear. It would just be that no link would be formed. You could think of the blacklist as the "Will Not Pothole" list.
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That would make the situation worse, because now instead of there being no indication of what trope it's potholed to, there would be no indication that it's supposed to be a pothole at all! Considering the tropes we're dealing with here, that would possibly be worse than even the IANMTU cleanup.
Not sure I see how it would be worse. Why would we want to know if someone was potholing 'understatement', if all we would do with the information is do away with the pothole? It wouldn't be potholed to anything.
Why do you keep bringing up the IANMTU cleanup? Has nothing to do with this discussion, and frankly, I don't remember it being all that bad. It worked. The manual cleanup on understatement didn't. And won't, if repeated.
edited 4th Nov '15 1:28:27 PM by eyebones
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IANMTU was an example of how not to clean up a trope because it broke pothole markup. This would be an example of how not to clean up a trope because it would defeat the purpose of the cleanup.
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Now you are just saying it was bad without offering any evidence. It didn't break pothole markup...and even if it did, it has nothing to do with this topic.You'll have to do better than just repeating the assertion.
Has anybody else got an issue with this suggestion?
edited 4th Nov '15 8:57:26 PM by eyebones
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Discussing the merits of the IANMTU cut is not on topic here. Discussion on eyebones' tech proposal goes into the Wiki Tech Wish List thread for it.
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All wicks starting with Y/Z cleaned up
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Before I officially start the mass cleanup, I'm asking whether anyone else is even on board with this.
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Um, yes? Understatement is not for potholing any exaggeration (because most links are for these, actually) ever.
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Waste of effort. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time is ... you know the quote. It is also pretty foolish
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Hi
I agree that some kind of tech-based solution would be preferred to a manual fix, but the main problem with that is that I don't know if the admins are going to want to put that kind of effort into the current wiki setup or just implement it as something that TVT 2.0 will handle.
I suppose the middle ground would be to correct the sinkholes as you encounter them, while a better fix is awaited. I think it might be easy for a person to miss the message if it all goes down in a mass effort. The ones doing the mass change are not the ones who need the message and its behavioral change.
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I am against any tech-based solution being implemented until after the cleanup, unless it's just redlinking like we did to This Troper. Cleanup comes first.
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Another ~40 wicks cleaned up tonight. Slowly but surely.
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Away for Thanksgiving, so I can't do much. My few cleanups this weekend are part of other cleanup projects.
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I will be able to resume the cleanup tonight!
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Great job, everyone. You deserve some big![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]")
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edited 7th Jul '12 2:45:27 PM by peccantis