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Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
The Head of the Hydra
Wait Hank's actor?
Oh wow he got played by an abuser of all people.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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I already brought it up last page, but whatever.
Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
Oh, damn.
Self-serious autistic metalhead who goes by any pronouns. (avvie template source)
At least in this context, I feel safer about suggesting a recast for Dave (the character's name). Maybe Keegan-Michael Key? Or would he be too old?
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 1st 2021 at 6:10:32 AM
Oh, yeah, that’s definitely a recast-able role. He’s exactly a “Josh Dallas as Fandral” level character.
Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 1st 2021 at 7:27:22 AM
Lost in Space
I don't know whether to feel happy that we're getting rid of all this trash or angry that all these actors keep turning out to be trash.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Dagded Dujardin
I feel both emotions at the same time.
I get disappointed when actors who I liked turn out to be trash but also super angry when they are of the worst kind
"Bingo! If two species hate each other, they will wipe each other out on their own."
x4: Speaking of Fandral...
Someone spotted Luke Hemsworth and MATT DAMON on the set of Thor: Love and Thunder.
They were Actor Thor and Actor Loki in Thor: Ragnarok.
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
It feels weird to me that we're talking about recasting since, prior to the official announcement that they wouldn't recast T'Challa, literally not a single person in this thread proposed the idea of recasting him. No-one did. Every single person just took it as a given that the MCU would have to kill off the character and move on without him. Talk of re-casting Boseman only started after they announced that they wouldn't be doing it.
I mean, I kept thinking about it, but I thought everyone would get mad at me and think of me as that guy.
Rather curious that we're only talking about recasting when they said no recasting. I want to say it sounds like some case of reverse psychology or a variation of the Streisand Effect, but neither case sounds accurate...
e: nvm I misread
Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 1st 2021 at 8:21:21 AM
Dagded Dujardin
Actor Loki and Actor Thor will turn out to be Chton and Mephisto in that movie
"Bingo! If two species hate each other, they will wipe each other out on their own."
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
I'm so disappointed in TI.
I remember the song Rubberbandman. It's the only song of his I know, but I liked it.
Now he's taken that from me. Someone tell the universe to stop ruining things I like!
One Strip! One Strip!
Universe: "Instructions unclear, proceeding to ruin Order of the Stick"
Better idea: Luke Hemsworth is playing Luke Hemsworth, and Matt Dameon is playing Matt Dameon. Both of which where "recruited" by Loki to act in Asgardian plays. They appear in Thor 4 because they are on friendly terms with the Asgardians and swing by New Asgard from time to time.
I know I've been a proponent for him not being recast since before the announcement, so not every single person, no.
Furthermore...
I'm not sure why that's important at all to the points being argued over in the first place. Are you trying to posit that the things being said are less relevant because this is taking place after the announcement?
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 1st 2021 at 7:32:45 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
There was talk of Idris Elba on the last page. I don't know if that was sarcastic or not but he already had a very notable run as Heimdall in the MCU, so I think he's out.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
I'm just saying that no-one here seemed to even consider the idea of recasting him until it was announced to be off the table.
I could buy Elba coming back to lend his voice, rather than his face, to a character. Like if another cosmic or demonic characters shows up without a face.
Idris Elba for Shuma Gorath, maybe?
And again, not only is that incorrect, I'm not sure why it would matter even if it were true.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 1st 2021 at 7:56:42 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I'm against recasting him for the most part, though I'm not as vocal about it. The Time-Shifted Actor is just a hypothetical loophole scenario and the least unpalatable way to go about it IMO if they change their minds.
I honestly can't recall if I ever brought up the issue, I know at the time of Boseman's death I felt it was in poor taste and maybe I never did in the first place.
But I've always been pro recasting T'Challa.
I had no issue with the changing Banners, nor Rodey, nor the Fandralls.
And to me it makes no sense to just not do it for a big character like T'Challa.
His story had just began. It's a waste no matter which angle I look at it.
If I could lighten the mood here...
We have another actor Asgardian!
More Love and Thunder set photos are popping up and these show an Actress Hela...as played by Melissa McCarthy!
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 2nd 2021 at 7:07:34 AM
Cool.
Also, I happened to watch the previous "Asgardian actor scene" on Youtube yesterday and I find it really clever. Because it's obviously funny with Bad "Bad Acting", but I think it's pretty revealing about Loki's character, because even though it's pro-Loki propaganda in-universe, Loki seems to still be the bad guy of the story, albeit a Tragic Hero who made a heroic sacrifice.
And it also explicitly acknowledges Loki's Frost Giant background, in a way that Loki probably wouldn't otherwise admit to (and which the movies seemed to have forgotten about until then).
Also, I think there's a whole essay to be written about how these kind of "Bad "Bad Acting" in-universe productions" (cf. The Ember Island Players in Avatar The Last Airbender, and "The Bloody Hand" in Game of Thrones) reflect cultural influence from Shakespeare's uses of the play-within-a-play, as well as the propagandistic nature of "history plays".
Edited by Hodor2 on Mar 2nd 2021 at 10:49:50 AM
Marvel drops T.I from Ant-Man 3 after multiple allegations of sexual assault.
To clarify here, T.I is the african-american thief co-hort of Scott Lang (Dave), one of the "Three Wombats" (alongside Michael Peña's Luis and David Dastmalchian's Kurt, the Russian One).
Seems like Marvel has had its first real brush with Me Too! (though there are allegations against Michael Douglas as well).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."