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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#121126: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:09:58 AM

I recall the giggle people got when Tom tried to get a beer at a Marvel event but was denied because he's such a baby face and Hemsworth had to step in and get one for him.

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#121127: Sep 18th 2020 at 8:31:54 AM

My understanding of Peter Parker's age:

  • Homecoming takes place in Fall 2016, in the first semester of Peter's Sophomore year of High School.

  • Infinity War takes place in Spring 2018, towards the end of Peter's Junior year. Peter gets Snapped.

  • Peter gets Blipped back to life five years later in Endgame. Far From Home establishes that this happens in fall (so Fall 2023), and that students needed to redo almost the whole school year.

  • Far From Home takes place at the end of Peter's redone Junior year, in Summer 2024.

So, miraculously, it does make sense that Peter has only advanced one grade in between Homecoming and Far From Home, in spite of the nearly 8 year in-universe gap. Also he must have aged at least two years. And he still has one year of High School left to complete!

I expect that after the trilogy is completed they'll stop jumping through hoops to keep Peter young... although that makes me wonder if there will be a point in the future when Tom looks too young to play a mid-20's Peter.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#121128: Sep 18th 2020 at 10:59:02 AM

Now here's something to consider: did the Covid-19 pandemic happen in the MCU?

If it still happened, and began in late 2019, that would be during the Snap years, so anyone who came back during the Blip got to skip over it.

Alternatively, depending on what people or animals got Snapped, that might mean the virus couldn't get going until after its carriers Blipped back, so you wouldn't see it happening in the MCU till 2024.

Or it could be that the Snap, as well as all the other breaks from reality in the MCU, mean the pandemic got For Want Of A Nailed out of existence. In which case ... props to Thanos?

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121129: Sep 18th 2020 at 11:10:40 AM

Alternatively, the virus still happened even with the halved population and killed a greater percentage of people because of the Snap.

Good going, Thanos.

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#121130: Sep 18th 2020 at 2:58:55 PM

Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah, the directors of Bad Boys For Life, Oscar winner Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, and The Walking Dead's Meera Menon will be helming Marvel Studios' Ms. Marvel series for Disney+.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 18th 2020 at 5:59:04 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121131: Sep 18th 2020 at 3:40:00 PM

Meera Menon also directed on The Punisher previously for the MCU.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 18th 2020 at 3:40:13 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121132: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:34:56 PM

"although that makes me wonder if there will be a point in the future when Tom looks too young to play a mid-20's Peter."

I don't care if Tom Holland turns out to be real life Peter Pan.

The character must grow up, he must not remain a teenager forever.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121134: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:41:52 PM

Well, yes, but iirc One More Day was largely met with criticism because Peter wasn't moving on, even when by all rights he should have.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#121135: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:46:37 PM

Shit if Holland finally makes the transition to college and adulthood, maybe every Spider-Man adaptation will stop taking place solely when he is in high-school.

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#121136: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:05:59 PM

Well their was spiderman Ps 4 which got a lot of praise for having an adult spider man.

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#121137: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:12:11 PM

Raimi's Spider-Man 2 and 3 had an adult Peter. Amazing Spider-Man 2 begins with Peter's graduation, so he's not quite an adult but he is out of high school at that point.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121138: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:15:18 PM

Yeah. I've said before: Teenage Spiderman is kinda done. It's part of his history, and I don't mind him starting there, but with Miles around, there's no reason to bother with it long term.

That time has come and gone.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#121139: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:16:56 PM

Its part of making him relatable with the film goers,its probably also an excuse for Peter to act less mature and make some dumb mistakes

New theme music also a box
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121140: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:30:42 PM

Even many of my favorite Spider-man story arcs are when he's a young adult.

I think the oldest Peter Parker in the movies is the one in the Spider-verse movie.

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#121141: Sep 18th 2020 at 7:03:39 PM

Speaking of Spider-Man, has anyone seen Tom Holland in the new Netflix movie The Devil All The Time?

Because seeing a clip of him deal with some bullies is concrete proof that if Peter gets the Symbiote Suit later on, Tom's going to knock it out of the park...and maybe into a whole different state.

Rage like that could probably get even Doomguy's attention. Maybe.

Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#121142: Sep 18th 2020 at 7:07:17 PM

I think the oldest non-comics Peters are either in the PS4 game or the 90's cartoon, where he's living on his own.

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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#121143: Sep 18th 2020 at 7:07:39 PM

I don't care if Tom Holland turns out to be real life Peter Pan.

The character must grow up, he must not remain a teenager forever.

Oh, believe me I'm not arguing against that. I'm just imagining a future where a 30 year old Tom Holland is playing a 25 year old Peter Parker who looks exactly the same as he did at 15 because that's just what Tom Holland's face looks like. The thought is amusing.

With regard to the widespread trend of keeping Peter as young as possible, especially in the comics: I recall arguments that Peter can't do X and Y and Z because "it would artificially age the character"... but we're talking about a character that has been in continuous publication since 1962, aging is natural, turning the status quo backwards in an attempt to make him appear younger is what's artificial.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121144: Sep 18th 2020 at 7:18:32 PM

I think currently, Peter's in his late mid twenties in continuity. He should be much older, but...

....well, [up] made that clear.

I do agree that the oldest we've seen him in media beyond Alternate Universe comics is Into the Spiderverse.

He was much older in Spiderman Reign though.

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Cortez Since: May, 2009
#121145: Sep 18th 2020 at 11:03:39 PM

Widow: Might be unworthy going by all the talk of "Red in her Ledger" but it's an open question.

There was a version of her that was Worthy.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#121146: Sep 19th 2020 at 1:15:13 AM

At this point, the writers might as well remove the "If they be worthy" clause from Mjilnor because it seems just about anyone can use that hammer.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121147: Sep 19th 2020 at 1:17:38 AM

It has some narrative value, but it's often treated as a kind of penis-measuring contest.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#121148: Sep 19th 2020 at 1:21:41 AM

That damn hammer treats Thor as unworthy once per run, its becoming a major hassle.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121149: Sep 19th 2020 at 2:38:17 AM

That's why we have Stormbreaker now, who even Thanos can wield.

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VampireBuddha Calendar enthusiast from Ireland (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Calendar enthusiast
#121150: Sep 19th 2020 at 4:03:13 AM

Peter has officially passed his 28th birthday in the comics; he might be 30 by now.

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