Marvel Cinematic Universe

Fire-Forged Friends.

Some of them are close friends (Tony and Bruce, Tony and Rhodey, Sam and Steve, Steve and Natasha, Natasha and Clint, and perhaps even Clint and Wanda) or in Wanda and Visions case, a burgeoning romance.

But that doesn't mean that ALL of them are going to be super-close to each other all the time when they're not Avenging. But they still respect and are cordial/friendly-ish to each other.

I mean Tony and Steve don't bicker ALL the time, and when they do it's usually about stuff that it's believable that they'd argue over given who they are.

By the way, predictable the Endgame teaser broke the already high record the Infinity War trailer set.

I am calling it now: Unless Endgame is a really, really bad movie (which is unlikely, considering that we are talking about the director/writer combo which gave us Winter Soldier, Civil War and Infinity War), this will be another 2 billion movie.

Part of me wants Endgame to be Fant4stic level bad just to see the meltdown around the internet.

Man...we only got the one trailer and I’m not ready.

Are we going to see Thanos as a broken depressed loser who’s looking forward to death by Avengers or will he still be gung-ho about sticking to what he did?

He wont be broken he'll be smug until they reverse the snapping

I think that he'll more just be, content, than anything else. He wasn't even particularly "smug" in IW, so that doesn't seem to be a big part of his character in the MCU.

I would frankly be heartborken if they don't stick the landing. It would just be too bad.

Yeah, I see Thanos just being satisfied and happy that he finally succeeded in his lifelong goal of "saving the universe", and getting some (perceived) well-deserved rest and relaxation.

"I rest in the calm of a grateful universe."

"We're starving here! You killed too many farmers!"

"All resources are finite, but for a little longer they are sustained."

"200 bird species went extinct because they wouldn't breed in smaller flocks!"

"I hear their celebration, of full bellies and happy children."

"My kid won't stop crying about where Grandma is and why half the cast is gone on Sesame Street!"

I actually get the sense Thanos is going to be seen here undergoing a slow breakdown as he realizes the folly of his quest and starts to be overtaken by the regret of killing Gamora. That's what his last dialogue in Infinity War hinted at ("What did it cost?" "...Everything.") and whatnot.

Plus it's actually really hard for a Titan to learn to snap. He's been in and out of physio ever since.

"What makes Infinity War work is that nobody wins."

I don’t want the audience to be asked to cry for Thanos. I want his ideology to be shredded and for him to be curbstomped.

Why? Cause for some reason, Thanos reminds me of Paul Ryan and the racists who blame famine on brown people “having too many” children rather than examining systemic inequality and the brutal legacy of colonialism and imperialism.

Eh I don't see it that way Thanos's whole thing is that he wants to deaths to be completely at random, no playing favorites. That's part of what the Gauntlet does, it's just luck of the draw. And he doesn't blame any one specific species for what he sees as "wrong."

If he is to be berated, it'd make more sense imo to point out that "hey dummy, you had the power of a god basically, you could have done any number of things to try and fix this problem if you were so concerned about it. But instead, you went right to killing half the universe, WTF is wrong with you?"

There are way, way more poor people than rich people, so the “totally random” killing of half of all people, with his motivation supposedly being all those “extra” hungry mouths to feed is still super white man’s burden type bullshit.

Edited by wisewillow on Dec 9th 2018 at 2:36:27 PM

“This rich guy died so I poor guy get to move into his house. That’s... that’s how it works, right?”

Thanos doesn't give two craps about your economic status. Intent matters in this regard.

I do feel like the movie can make Thanos a pitiable figure on the same speed it also tears down his philosophical point. The key to this is that, despite his noticeable (though likely unintentional) similarities to figure like Paul Ryan and that whole Objectivist-esque capitalist outlook of resources, Thanos is markedly different in two aspects: A) he's genuine in the sense his actual purpose is to save the universe, while those figures just want to line their own pockets. B) Thanos doesn't benefit from what he's doing. On the contrary, he has sacrificed everything he held dear for that goal and expects to gain nothing from it except a semblance of peace of mind.

So in general, I think it'd be relatively easy for the last Avengers to show Thanos as being monstrously wrong and also pitiable. It's just that he wouldn't sympathetic in a traditional sense, but in a Greek tragedy sense of this person despairing in the realization he has ruined his own life as well as several others primarily due his own hubris and he has no one to blame but himself for it.

I actually feel similar. Thanos philosophy is basically the favourite excuse rightwingers use for the BS politics. And no matter how you parse it, Thanos is a monster. Even before the snap he was a mass murderer. If they want to do any kind of redemption arc with him, they need to sell it really well, but frankly, I don't really want to see it. Though I certainly wouldn't mind Thanos being actually unhappy with what he got because, well, I always think that the best medicine against far-right BS would be to just let them do it, because that would cure EVERYONE of the notion that their ideas are the right ones, except that the cost would be to high in the end, just to proof a point. And, as we can currently see, the lesson won't stick anyway.

But let's wait and see. I have frankly no idea what they intend to do in Endgame except that I am pretty sure that they will do more than just reversing the snap.

Seriously guys, watch the video I posted. It's entirely relevant here.

I don't see that Thanos is redeemable, but it is certainly possible that he'll be shown regretting his choices so much that he makes only a token effort to resist the Avengers, and the true Big Bad of the film is someone else.

Hell, Infinity War screwed with traditional movie storytelling by having the bad guy flat out win. Now, anyone who read the comics knew that was a likely outcome, but I dare say that most of the audience weren't expecting it at all. So for Endgame to be a straight "fight the invincible bad guy, beat him, reset universe, everyone happy" story would be... incongruous.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 9th 2018 at 2:54:16 PM

Thanos was really a skrull all along and all this was a complex and overcomplicated plan to subtitute half the population with skrulls, and it will be revealed in the end of the movie that the true title was Secret Invasion.

Someone else? Like who?

Well, in The Infinity Gauntlet, Nebula got her hands on the Gauntlet and Thanos teamed up with the heroes to stop her during the last couple of issues. I'm not sure if they'll go that route or not.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 9th 2018 at 4:39:33 AM