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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#230977: Feb 8th 2018 at 9:57:46 PM

[up]

Excellent. I hope this at least gets out to r/army. Right now they're very vocal about not wanting the parade.

edited 8th Feb '18 9:57:59 PM by TheWildWestPyro

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#230978: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:03:09 PM

This is just an idea, but if a military parade is ordered, is there any ground that soldiers can stand on legally if they don't want to participate?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#230979: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:09:51 PM

Get a doctor's note for bone spurs?

ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#230980: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:11:07 PM

That would be the greatest form of Take That! if a not-insignificant number of soldiers actually end up doing that.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#230981: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:11:52 PM

[up] saw this on r/Army:

I’m a PA. I’ll fucking write profiles for bone spurs for everyone if he tries I go ahead and do this.

Edit: I’m half seriously considering a twitter account just to collect dod ids for those who want profiles

edited 8th Feb '18 10:16:58 PM by megaeliz

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#230982: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:41:20 PM

Reuters notification:

"Legislation to keep U.S. government operating, increase spending through 2019, clears procedural hurdle in the Senate"

More detail/updating story:

"Bill to end U.S. government shutdown clears key hurdle in Senate" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-shutdown/bill-to-end-u-s-government-shutdown-clears-key-hurdle-in-senate-idUSKBN1FS232

edited 8th Feb '18 10:42:03 PM by sgamer82

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#230983: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:42:05 PM

[up]Is that it, or does it need to go through the House again?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#230985: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:47:59 PM

It does need to get through the House. Despite Democratic/Tea Party opposition, Ryan seems to believe he has the votes to get it through.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#230986: Feb 9th 2018 at 1:10:55 AM

Stocks take another tumble, Dow dives more than 1,000 points

The wild ride on Wall Street continued Thursday with the Dow Jones Industrial Average plunging more than 1,000 points for the second time this week.

At the closing bell, the Dow was down 1,032 points, or 4.15 percent, finishing a tough day at 23,860.

The other major indexes also took a tumble. The S&P 500 tanked 100 points to 2,581, off 3.75 percent from the previous day. The Nasdaq was down 275 points to 6,777, a 3.90 percent decline.

Sorry, I just double checked and noticed that [up] already posted about this a few pages back.

edited 9th Feb '18 1:13:36 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#230987: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:43:07 AM

@Ambar: It's not like I invited them, but if I am at a party and they are there, might as well try to enjoy myself rather than let them ruin the night. I don't even see them anymore so I guess it doesn't really matter.

@Silas: I have of course tried talking to them, but it's impossible, they'll just make a stupid joke anytime they feel pressured and nothing changes.

@M84: According to CNN, the latest dive puts in in correction territory which is good in the long term. But if it sinks any lower, then we should probably start worrying.

edited 9th Feb '18 6:11:18 AM by Grafite

Life is unfair...
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#230988: Feb 9th 2018 at 4:33:26 AM

I’m not talking about talking to them, that’s what you do with reasonable people who you want to try and change, I’m talking about standing up to them because they are bullies and assholes.

I’ve only once bothered to have a serious conversation with a casual acquaintance over their use of bigoted language (a gay colleague of mine kept using the T slur), but that’s very different from just calling assholes assholes when they act that way.

It’s not hard, the phrase “you know [name] you’re a right piece of shit you know that?” is easy to say, and that’s without being clever about it.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#230989: Feb 9th 2018 at 5:09:11 AM

Congress Passes Massive Spending Deal, Ending Shutdown Before It Ever Really Started

WASHINGTON ― Hours past a government funding deadline, Congress sped a massive bipartisan spending deal through both chambers early Friday, averting the furlough of hundreds of thousands of government workers.

After Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) held up the bill until after 1 a.m. ― setting off a technical lapse in government appropriations ― the Senate approved the six-week funding extension and spending limit deal 71-28. A few hours later, racing the bill through procedures that normally take hours, the House passed the bill 240-186, with 67 Republicans and 119 Democrats opposed, and 167 Republicans and 73 Democrats in favor. (The Republican vote totals flipped almost completely from the previous two-year budget deal, when it passed with 79 Republicans voting yes and 167 voting no.)

Friday’s vote in the House culminated in a bizarre standoff, with Democrats holding back the vast majority of their votes to show just how many Democratic votes Republicans needed to pass the bill. About 40 Republicans, for their part, also held off voting on the bill, waiting for Democrats to put up more votes before they themselves voted no.

In the end, under the threat of the presiding officer closing the vote at the expiration of the 15 minutes allotted for the roll call, Democrats began changing their votes in favor of the bill. At about 5:30 a.m., the bill passed, and aides prepared for rush to the White House to get President Donald Trump’s signature.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) continued her opposition to the legislation Friday morning, insisting once again that Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) give Democrats the same assurances that Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell (R-Ky.) gave Senate Democrats ― that Democrats would have a level playing field for offering amendments to a bill to help undocumented young people losing Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals program protections.

In the end, neither Pelosi’s demands nor the voting games mattered, as a critical number of Democrats supported the bill.

The legislation is a massive spending deal. In addition to the six-week extension of government funding, it would raise spending by roughly $320 billion, providing $80 billion above the spending caps for defense and $63 billion for non-defense for this year, and another $85 billion more for defense and $68 billion more for non-defense for the next fiscal year. The agreement also sets up $140 billion in war funding and $20 billion more for other emergency spending over two years, and throws in $89 billion for disaster relief.

In spending, it’s a huge win for Democrats, but they did not get the assurances they wanted on DACA, meaning House Republicans are free to bring up an immigration bill that they want rather than one that hews closer to Democratic priorities.

____

Democrats still hope that, because Mc Connell has made those open amendment concessions, and because the Senate is expected to go first on a DACA bill, there will be pressure on Ryan to put the Senate immigration measure up for a vote in the House.

If Ryan doesn’t, Democrats still have the remaining omnibus bill as leverage ― Friday’s deal was simply to allow lawmakers time to write an actual measure spending the money they approved. But their opportunities to extract concessions are waning, and unless the bill that comes out of the Senate is assured a vote, Democrats may have just let go of a key piece of influence they had over the eventual immigration product.

Immigrant rights advocates have argued since September, when Trump rescinded DACA, that the best chance for helping its recipients would be getting protections attached to a must-pass bill, like government spending. Their fear is that as a stand-alone bill could be riddled with poison pills — or not brought for a vote at all. Trump is demanding significant border security investments, including his wall, massive legal immigration cuts, and changes to asylum law in order to approve protections for undocumented young people who came to the U.S. as kids, which could sink a deal.

Thousands of DACA recipients have already lost their status, but the number will jump by an estimated 1,000 people losing protections each day starting March 6, due to the way Trump phased out the program. That’s why some lawmakers say the deadline for action is March 5, even though DACA recipients can currently apply to renew their protections under a court order that the Trump administration is fighting.

Ahead of the vote, Ryan told lawmakers that he was committed to working toward a bipartisan immigration deal that Trump would support. That’s still not the commitment Democrats wanted in exchange for their votes on the funding bill, but Ryan has suggested he wants a solution on DACA that can pass Congress, which suggests the need for Democratic votes anyway.

“My commitment to working together on an immigration measure that we can make law is a sincere commitment,” Ryan said just before the vote. “We will solve this DACA problem.”

edited 9th Feb '18 5:09:45 AM by megaeliz

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#230990: Feb 9th 2018 at 5:18:25 AM

So we’re back again in six weeks with more of this shit?

This keeps up we could have a shutdown in October.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
PhysicalStamina (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#230991: Feb 9th 2018 at 5:32:22 AM

I can't help but feel we took an L this go 'round.

It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#230992: Feb 9th 2018 at 5:37:53 AM

We were never going to get a DACA deal, the Republicans were always going to choose to shut down the government rather than allow DACA legislation be added to the budget.

We backed ourselves into a corner with this fight, I think we did pretty good for the position we had but yeah, it's far from a clear win.

I'd say that with the spending increases we at least got something, so I'd call it a draw.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
PhysicalStamina (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#230993: Feb 9th 2018 at 5:42:06 AM

I also fully expect to hear a "Dems caved AGAIN!" narrative.

It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
thok That's Dr. Title, thank you! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
That's Dr. Title, thank you!
#230994: Feb 9th 2018 at 5:58:29 AM

The Democratic party got a lot of what they wanted even if they didn't get DACA. More funding to help out Puerto Rico? Money to deal with the opioid crisis? Infrastructure funding? No debt ceiling nonsense until 2019? I'll take all of that, and there's still some time to discuss DACA.

edited 9th Feb '18 5:59:36 AM by thok

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#230995: Feb 9th 2018 at 6:12:18 AM

So what happens to the dreamers? Do they get deported or...

Life is unfair...
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#230996: Feb 9th 2018 at 6:14:59 AM

I think DACA still stays active all least until March, and I recall seeing something that said they wouldn't by high on the ICE's priority list, but I'm not sure how true that is.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#230997: Feb 9th 2018 at 6:18:37 AM

[up][up][up] In terms of actual, concrete policies and gains, I'd say it's actually a decent compromise and a draw.

In terms of optics and politics, it's most positively a loss for Dems. Not even close. They drew a line in the sand, the Republicans ignored it, and the Dems didn't do anything about it. It's a huge loss there.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#230998: Feb 9th 2018 at 6:20:17 AM

Didn't or couldn't? I know optics wise it won't matter but how much could Democrats have done that they didn't already do?

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#230999: Feb 9th 2018 at 6:27:22 AM

According to CNN, Trump just signed the bill. I guess it's a good thing in the short term and takes care of the debt ceiling for a couple more years, but we're still kicking the can down the road. Who's to say we won't have a real shutdown come late March or so?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#231000: Feb 9th 2018 at 6:39:55 AM

[up][up] Honestly, I can't say for certain. But it's the problem with drawing a line in the sand; if you're not going to actually fight tooth-and-nail for it, drawing the line and then backing down makes you look worse.

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