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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#261051: Nov 8th 2018 at 9:47:23 AM

[up]Part of a trend: as time moves forward...

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#261052: Nov 8th 2018 at 9:50:04 AM

She assumes that every survivor is going to vote democrat and thus doom the Republican party..somehow.The truth is some will vote for democrats and some will vote Republican,you know,just like most people do

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#261053: Nov 8th 2018 at 9:52:54 AM

The point is that they are school shooting survivors. They experienced firsthand the callous disregard Republicans have for people's lives. The Republican Party as a whole is mostly made up of older, rural, white voters. Their party demographic is aging, and a small influx of young idiots isn't going to revitalize them.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261054: Nov 8th 2018 at 9:53:26 AM

There's a higher chance that school shooting survivors will vote for those who actually seem to take them seriously. And most of those people aren't Republicans.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#261055: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:08:32 AM

We just saw the mother of of a school shooting victim win a Congress seat in Georgia. The same seat we spent millions on in that special election last year and lost. It is already having an effect.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261056: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:10:55 AM

[up][up][up][up] Not every school shooting survivors, but if your family went through this, isn't it more likely that you will actually care about the gun control question in the aftermath.

And I am serious about the demographic shift in the voters. We just had this case in Bavaria with the CSU, which lost voters by double digit margin, with the Greens being the big winner in that election. After the election they did some number crunching and it turned out that a huge chunk of the voters the CSU lost didn't go to any other party, they simply died.

Exactly that will eventually happen to the Republicans, too. Unless they start to activate new voter groups instead of suppressing them.

[up] We also saw a lot of women successfully running for office, a lot of them doing so in the metoo movement. One of them replaced a guy who expressed on tape his displeasure that he can't use the word "slut" freely anymore.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 8th 2018 at 10:12:58 AM

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#261057: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:18:35 AM

What's everyone's take on Tucker Carlson's home being surrounded by protestors? Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the guy but some of the things the group did are dangerously close to threats and only give more fuel to the "all Democrats are unruly mobs" narrative.

EDIT:

We also saw a lot of women successfully running for office, a lot of them doing so in the metoo movement. One of them replaced a guy who expressed on tape his displeasure that he can't use the word "slut" freely anymore.
Now you know why I said "don't let the door hit you on the way out" about him a dozen or so pages ago. His winning in 2016 was an embarrassment to my state and I'm glad he lost this time.

Edited by speedyboris on Nov 8th 2018 at 12:20:07 PM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#261058: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:23:22 AM

I really hate these "X only feeds the other side's narrative" arguments. Putting aside that plenty of narratives are widely believed even when totally false, there is never evidence of this actually happening.

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#261059: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:24:04 AM

That narrative is going to happen one way or another, though protesting Tucker seems an odd choice.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261060: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:29:51 AM

Btw, a seat in Colorado also went to the father of a mass shooting victim.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261061: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:31:49 AM

Frankly, those protesters could do a peaceful sit-in in nowheresland, and they would be accused of being dangerous terrorist. So let them go wherever they are the most visible and have the most effect. As long as they don't do anything illegal, they are well in their right to make their displeasure known.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261062: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:34:58 AM

Stacy Abrahams has filed a lawsuit...apparently Kemp mailed out absentee ballots too slowly, to ensure that they couldn't be returned at due date (who is ready to bet that only specific voters got their ballots late?) and now she is suing that those late ballots are counted, too.

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#261063: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:49:28 AM

The election is going to run-off anyway as well.

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#261064: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:50:41 AM

Let's hope it doesn't come to a coin toss

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261065: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:56:51 AM

[up][up] Is it? Last time I checked Kemp had 50.3% of the votes vs 48.7%. They would need to find a lot of ballots and vote for a rerun. (though I don't doubt that enough exist).

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#261066: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:59:34 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics/trump-reviewing-answers-mueller/index.html

So it seems CNN is saying that Mueller has begun writing his final report on the Russia probe

Unless the story is from Mueller's team itself, doesn't seem likely

Edited by MrHellboy on Nov 8th 2018 at 12:59:43 PM

I guess, after a night of pillaging and raping, a Viking wants a little something to go with his cocoa.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#261067: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:28:00 AM

Breaking: An Appeals Court rules that the Orange House can't unilaterally end DACA. The planned phase-out is stopped until the Supreme Court case is concluded on the constitutionality of DACA itself.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics/daca-9th-circuit/index.html

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Nov 8th 2018 at 3:29:10 PM

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#261068: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:39:15 AM

2 pm local time update for Florida:

The Agricultural Commissioner, Senate, and governor's races are all within recount territory at the moment with some statewide provisionals and Broward County ballots still left uncounted.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261069: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:43:30 AM

Wow...a hand recount for the Senate seats?

Does this mean the Governors seat is now "uncalled"?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#261070: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:46:20 AM

"Calling a race" simply means that a news organization believes that a given result with prevail. It is not the official result which is the thing that counts.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#261071: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:48:30 AM

Kemp absolutely didn't win legitimately and there's no way his win would be legitimate if, you know, people actually got to vote the candidate they want. More people should be outraged here.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261072: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:49:16 AM

[up][up] So one candidate giving up doesn't make a difference either?

You know, I would so laugh if after the recount (which has to happen under law if I understand this correctly) will change the result after all. This would be exactly the kind of win the Democratic initiatives would need to be a little bit more upbeat and fight on. Plus, I really, really want a win for the Parkland students.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 8th 2018 at 11:49:28 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#261073: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:51:59 AM

"Calling" for news organizations and "conceding" for candidates are not legally binding in the cases of a Dewey Defeats Truman headline scenario.

EDIT: Changed trope link.

Edited by tclittle on Nov 8th 2018 at 1:53:09 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261074: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:58:15 AM

The New York Times argues that the appointment of Whitaker is unconstitutional:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/opinion/trump-attorney-general-sessions-unconstitutional.html

It boils down to there haven't been a Senate confirmation of him yet. Not that I think that the Republicans would deny him one, but it hasn't happened yet, so he has actually no business to do the job.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#261075: Nov 8th 2018 at 12:02:15 PM

Kemp absolutely didn't win legitimately and there's no way his win would be legitimate if, you know, people actually got to vote the candidate they want. More people should be outraged here.

Which is why I'm not taking his resignation as a big win here. A lot of damage has already been done.

Georgia is a ship that's taking on water. We have successfully arrested the saboteur, but that doesn't actually un-smash the holes he put in our hull. I have no doubt that if the hearing was on 10/26 or so, he'd have fought it a lot harder than he has now.

As it is, I'm sure he has the utmost confidence that being forced to resign is too little, too late to stop his flagrant cheating. His resignation doesn't un-purge voter rolls or make those voting machines that kept changing votes retroactively undo that. It's the equivalent of passing a law eliminating Voter ID in a Voter ID state on November 7th; a fine enough gesture but too late to do any good for this election.

What we really need is a runoff, to wash away the stench of Kemp's cheating and basically take a legitimate do-over on the election.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 8th 2018 at 1:03:30 PM

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