Justice League

Yeah, this was inevitable ever since the scandal broke about him giving movie roles to his girlfriend at the time.

"most of the scenes teasing Ocean Master and introducing Vulko were cut from JL anyway"

So that what it, I just saw part of aquaman and the way he talk about some chararter make a "wait, what?" moment for me.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I remember I felt that way when Mera first appeared in the movie. I was confused why the film acted like she and Arthur already knew each other, when I had completely forgotten that she appeared for a single scene in Justice League (2017). That was more my fault than the movie's, as I hadn't seen Justice League since it first came out in theaters.

Huh, in Aquaman I had the impression they didn't know each other (he didn't know her name at least). Arthur just guessed she was Atlantean because of her outfit.

Flippé de participer à ce grand souper, je veux juste m'occuper de taper mon propre tempo.

The impression I got was that they crossed paths before (JL), but they didn't really knew each other. Which I'm pretty sure is in line with their scene in Justice League (don't think a single name is uttered in their talk, and it's very businesslike).

Shazam just launched with 97 percent at Rotten Tomatoes.

Edited by comicwriter on Mar 23rd 2019 at 4:39:45 AM

Zack Snyder wants you to “Wake the fuck up and accept that Batman kills people.

His words, not mine.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 25th 2019 at 8:45:06 AM

"You're living in a dreamworld"

Well, yeah, Batman is fictional.

... dafuq?

just what was he directing,a porno?

New theme music also a box

Alright that’s it, we drove him crazy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Clearly the best choice WB had at the time to direct a movie for the most idealistic Superhero of all time.

Edited by eligram on Mar 25th 2019 at 9:29:06 AM

God damn it, Zack. You're just... so fucking stupid.

My various fanfics.

I’ll quote Steven Spielberg -

“A story should make you forget your surroundings, your agenda, your day and hopefully makes you forget yourself.”

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 25th 2019 at 11:58:32 AM

In the same response Snyder also cites Watchmen as showing the 'real darkness' of superheroes.

My first thought is that Snyder already made the Watchmen movie, so he doesn't need to keep remaking it. There's a bunch of elements in BVS that are noticeably just mediocre retreads of Watchmen plot points.

Second thought is that I doubt he's read anything Alan Moore wrote after the 80s. Moore had a lot of regret about how his graphic novel kicked off unending grim grimness in superhero media, and his work in the 90s like his run on Supreme was based around trying to recapture that wacky hopefulness that characterized Golden Age Superman.

I hate to play the Devil's Advocate here, but while he voices it rather poorly, I kinda see where he is coming from. I mean, it's kinda like how superhero movies tend to end with the villain dying; when trying to go for a more realistic take on a franchise, it's kinda logical to have the protagonist being willing to kill, because in some situations, having a choice on the matter would be hard. Plus it's not like it's even new: Burton's Batman had no problem killing his enenmies either, and let's face it: even the friggin' MCU, which everybody acclaims as how superhero movies should be, has the Avengers killing people with little qualm about it (nobody is gonna make me believe these terrorists Iron Man blasted were okay, and I feel "the Chitauri are not humans so that doesn't count" doesn't really work when the team members include an alien god and a robot).

Mind you, I am not trying to say he is entirely right, because I still feel Batman should not kill personally; primarily because that's the main reason he is tolerated by Gotham's police, and because... well, if he doesn't kill in this version, that makes the Joker still being alive really dubious.

We don't have the context of what he is responding to, but he seems to be sniping about toxic fans who are harassing him over the choices he made for the movies and characters. It is surprisingly bitter and mean-spirited, which is out of character for him, but again we don't know the question that triggered this reaction. George Lucas has said similar things with a similar attitude, although not quite as vulgar.

I believe it was the same panel he actually revealed some of his original intentions for Justice League, specifically how the Knightmare from BVS was going to pay off. I thought about posting it here... but not really interested in the discussion that would follow.

The difference there is that most Marvel superheroes have never had a no-kill rule. Hell, Captain America was a soldier in World War II — having a no-kill rule would have been patently silly at that point in time.

Marvel Comics, in fact, were always the ones that were more "realistic," with the Marvel universe being described as "the world outside your window." So Marvel superheroes did kill and they had dilemmas when they did. The Avengers split in two during "Operation: Galactic Storm," with Iron Man's team deciding to kill the Supreme Intelligence for what it did (it dropped a nega bomb on the Kree, killing millions), while Cap's side decided that this was just for revenge and wouldn't do it.

Which is all to say that Batman and Superman live in a very different world than the Marvel superheroes. Batman is considered the "ultimate human" — gymnast, martial artist, detective, genius — but he also knows that he has a darkness inside him, so refuses to kill because he knows it would make things too easy for him and he would fall down the slippery slope. (Yes, he has killed in the Golden Age, but that was a long time ago and his no-killing policy has been in place for a long time.) Saying that if you are Batman, you have to kill is patently silly — for one thing, if we are setting this in the real world, then the first time Batman would try to fight crime, he would die. He would either get shot or, throwing his grappling hook at a roof, he would dislocate his shoulder, because that's what happens when you try to swing from rooftops. "Oh, you think people can actually swing like Tarzan through an urban city? Stop living in a dream world."

But comic book Batman does live in a fantasy world. As Grant Morrison's Batman once put it: "These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don’t hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

Didn't Morrison also say the League's no killing rule doesn't apply to non-humans?

The Marvel and DC worlds honestly aren't really that different once you look past Superman and Batman and you will see that not everyone follows the same rules as Superman and Batman. Wonder Woman, Aquaman and some of the Green lanterns for instance don't follow the no killing rule.

Edited by windleopard on Mar 26th 2019 at 1:49:08 AM

There is also a difference between Superheroes and vigilantes. Batman is a vigilante, so he shouldn't kill if he can avoid it, and if he did, him having a mostly good relationship with the Gotham city police wouldn't be believable at all. And Superman, well, he is so powerful that he should rarely end in a situation in which killing is the only option out there.

It's similar for Marvel. Naturally do the Avengers kill, especially when they take out foreign invaders. Naturally Spider-Man doesn't.

Most superheroes are vigilantes. And if Batman is a vigilante he shouldn't care about having a good relationship with the GCPD and they shouldn't have a good relationship with him. And drawing the line at killing isn't a good luck for them when they frequently look the other way at his other crimes such as torture, trespassing, child endangerment, possession of unlicensed weaponry and illegal surveillance.

And yeah, that's why I still think Batman's no kill rule is important. It wasn't always the case (we all know he had no issue killing people in earlier issues of the comic), but by now, his no kill rule has become a core element of his character. From a pragmatic point of view, it's why the cops are willing to work with him and not treating him as just another costumed lunatic. From a human point of view, it's what makes him different from them and gives him a line not to cross. Heck, it's what justifies his equipment by now; I mean, why would he bother with all these non-lethal weapons if he doesn't want to kill? Might as well just grab guns and be the Punisher.

Non-lethal weapons? Is that what we're calling exploding batarangs? Or the guns and missiles on the Batmobile?

Simon Baz (a Green Lantern) even called Bruce out on this hypocrisy when Simon came to Gotham with a gun and Bruce got in his face over it.

... Okay, touché. Sorry, I'm grew up with his portrayal in the Animated Series, where his arsenal was, in general, still non-lethal overall. I tend to forget how over the top it got later on (not that it's a bad thing, mind you; it was necessary for him to keep up with other superheroes).

I'll agree that the DCAU is one of the less annoying depictions of the code but then again the super villains are less like terrorists and war criminals than their usual depictions.