Restrict to in-universe examples?: Moral Guardians

I just spent a couple hours cleaning the natter off Moral Guardians. It seems to attract large amounts of three different kind of natter: 1) normal, Thread Mode stuff, 2) "Recently", "as of 2010", etc type "updates" to statements instead of updating the original example, and 3) Trying to cram in every example of Group X's stupidity (often worded to make it clear that is was the most idiotic thing EVAR) because the general statement apparently wasn't enough.

In amongst these are parodies and in-universe examples.

At the very least, this needs a soft split between fictional examples and real life examples. If it's going to keep the RL examples, it's probably going to need a curator.

edited 25th Feb '11 10:54:56 AM by ccoa

You might have preferred asking that question before you spent hours cleaning it.

No Real Life Examples Please

^^ Probably so, but I didn't realize it was as bad as it was until I was already waist-deep in it. I also missed the in-universe and parody examples until I was carefully reading each one because they didn't get natter, which meant they were buried on both sides by long bulleted lists.

edited 25th Feb '11 11:06:00 AM by ccoa

The page does specifically say not to add real life examples.

I just added that just now.

The trouble is that Real Life examples of Moral Guardians protesting against things are being sneaked in outside of the Real Life section by being listed under the thing they were protesting.

edited 25th Feb '11 11:12:08 AM by troacctid

I don't think they were snuck in, I think that it's always been organized that way. The in-universe examples are all midway or more down the lists.

Support.

+ 1

I assume that these are in favor of cutting the RL examples altogether, not just splitting them off?

• 1 for splitting, -1 for No Real Life Examples Please.

Where would we split them to? Troper Tales? Those are for tropers personal encounters with the trope.

edited 28th Feb '11 12:41:08 AM by SpellBlade

Not really, they're all or almost all published instances of moral guardians. They're real life examples, not troper tales.

On the flipside, Moral Guardians are very often influences on the final forms of the media present on this wiki. How often is it mentioned that "(X media) included (Y scene) but it was cut out for fear of offending (Z demographic)"? Moral Guardians are a real-world presence as well as an in-universe one, and the real-world version actually affects the media itself in an appreciable way, which is something that many other real-life examples of tropes don't do. If we're interested in documenting significant examples of tropes, I would say that keeping the real-life examples section alive, and simply performing regular cleanups on it to strip "update" text from date-tagged additions, would be prudent in the interest of keeping the wiki applicable and useful as a cultural reference tool.

Just my 2 shillings' worth.

Supporting a split. Moral Guardians are one of those external factors (like Writer on Board, or Executive Meddling, or being written by former fans) that can have a huge effect on the way stories are told. Even if we ban real life examples, we should at least explain that in the page's description.

edited 28th Feb '11 11:15:25 AM by Redhead

split

I would be in favor of keeping the real life examples. As pointed out above, they may not be tropes or works, but they are related to how media is produced, which makes them proper topics for the wiki.

Split it, if something HAS to be done. We'd lose so much just discarding all the RL examples.

edited 3rd Mar '11 6:14:03 AM by NolanJBurke

So would anyone like to volunteer to curate it? Because if we keep 'em, they're going to continue to collect natter.

Evidently you're seeing a lot of things I'm not. Well, whatever, I can see where this will go. So can we just keep it all on the same page with one header for fictional examples and another for RL?

What am I seeing that you're not? Or did you not read that I cleaned the trope prior to bringing it here?

Oh, right. Eh. Same page, then? I think we should make it the same page. Much easier to navigate. Works for Mean Character, Nice Actor.

edited 3rd Mar '11 7:00:51 AM by NolanJBurke

Not really. It's lumping a valid trope in with a trivia item which means it gets used as both on the pages leading to natter. Those really should be hard split or have the RL examples cut.

I think people have a point about the RL examples being the inspiration for the trope. I'd be okay with splitting them off into a RL section as long as the page has a curator.

I'd want to save the Real Life section, since there have been a lot of comedic shows using caricatured versions of specific Real Life examples for one-off jokes.