too-long page repair.

- Some entries in MMORPGS do look a bit long.

But, that's only a temporary fix...

Maybe MMORPG or some other folder is large enough to warrant a split...

Undertale.Tropes A To G now has the message... Where to split?

Undertale Tropes A To D and Undertale Tropes E To G?

I'd make four new pages instead as I'm not a fan of just splitting a page to two subpages, as that leads to rather unequal size. I'll post what they would be in a bit.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 5th 2020 at 9:21:26 PM

And here I am. After checking for length, the most optimal way to sort seems to be Undertale.Tropes A, Undertale.Tropes B To F, Undertale.Tropes H To N, and Undertale.Tropes O To Z. Yes, there are so many "A" examples, it's nuts, but whatever.

I'm curious. Is there a way to tell which pages are long without having to go into the edit function? Like a list of pages by size?

From what I can tell, the site itself has no way to check page size without going to the edit function. There is the page source button and I tend to copy the page source to Notepad++and check for size there.

Anyway, I'll probably split these pages tomorrow (we'll see if it can be improved further, but I think it works).

According to this thread, we want to get rid of works as namespaces in preparation for TV Tropes 2.0. We're not moving such pages yet, but I don't think we should be making new ones. Let's instead split it as Undertale Tropes A, Undertale Tropes B To F, and so on.

From what I know, that discussion has basically died out with no resolution, and there's no guarantee 2.0 will happen (it seems more like a far-off dream we've given up at this point). Besides, it mentions the current system as a possible choice (I personally think the second would be the best as it would be easily connected with the work itself, but whatever), and the original post says "let's get rid of one-off namespaces that aren't being used for actual trope content", which a subpage for tropes from a work clearly isn't. Also, this page's been split already, so I'll probably finish it now as there ultimately isn't a new namespace being made because Undertale/ as a namespace has already existed.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 9th 2020 at 8:27:19 PM

I've been playing The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim during confinment and I think I've gotten enough of a feel for it to get an idea of how to split Characters.Skyrim Other Characters, which I noticed is on Overly Long Pages.

How I'm thinking of doing it:

• Putting the housecarls and non-housecarl followers on their own page ("Followers").
• Splitting the non-follower characters into:
  • People from holds that start out with Empire-aligned Jarls (Falkreath, Haafingar, Hjaalmarch, The Reach and Whiterun).
  • People from holds that start out with Stormcloak-aligned Jarls (Eastmarch, The Pale, The Rift and Winterhold).

However, I'm not sure what to do with the "Wanderers", which is for characters who travel across all the land, aside from giving them their own tiny subpage. One idea I have trotting through my head is that Whiterun starts out nominally neutral (but will quickly become an Empire hold if the player pays any kind of attention to the Civil War narrative), and have a page for Whiterun inhabitants and wanderers. Another is to just leave the non-follower characters as they currently are, as giving the followers their own page alone would technically take care of the page being too long.

Edited by Nazetrime on Apr 10th 2020 at 8:19:06 PM

I'd just leave the Wanderers on the page if not make a subpage for them.

I agree with those courses of action for the Skyrim page, seems like a sensible way of doing it.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 12th 2020 at 10:48:16 AM

I went ahead with giving followers their own page (here) and did a little sorting of the non-housecarls while I was at it. It seems to have indeed been enough for Skyrim: Other Characters to no longer give a too long page warning upon attempts to edit it.

Edited by Nazetrime on Apr 13th 2020 at 9:50:38 PM

Star-Crossed Lovers is now too long...

Clean? Or split out a folder?

If the latter, I nominate Video Games?

Splitting out a folder has been done before on that page. I didn't look to see if there was any kind of cleaning that needed to be done. If we pick splitting out a folder, I nominate "Anime and Manga" because, according to my eyeball estimate watching the scrollbar compress, the list there is currently longer than the video games folder.

Edited by Miss_Desperado on May 7th 2020 at 8:29:06 AM

Pages In Accidentally Miscapitalized Namespaces is too long. Ideally, it could be shortened by moving pages in the list to their correct namespaces and updating the list accordingly. Realistically, the reason that list is so long in the first place is because the project doesn't have enough manpower, cutting and recreating is a bit convoluted with the extra steps of saving cutlisted page contents to sub-sandbox pages, people are reluctant to cut and recreate when that means losing edit history, and there might be other problems.

The page says that the moderators are searching for a way to move pages without cutting and recreating them, but according to the outdated pages thread, that search is over. There is now a tool that moderators (not regular tropers) wield. I doubt updating the page to tell about this tool will do anything to reduce its length.

I notice most of the list is a bunch of pages that need to be moved from "FanFic" to "Fanfic", if we decide to hard-split them out into another Sandbox page, what would be its name?

Edited by Miss_Desperado on May 15th 2020 at 2:01:10 AM

- It shouldn't be increasing that much, or at all, even. Fixed pages are fixed forever, and there's not many new pages that are capitalized wrong?

We just have to wait for mods to do the cut and restores...

...Or cut and restore the pages manually, as I keep pointing out as a perfectly valid option because history saving isn't always necessary.

I'm not sure how true your assertion that "there's not many new pages that are capitalized wrong" is, but in any case, I think the main swelling of the list is from older pages lurking around for a while before being unearthed, e.g. I found over twenty "FanFic" links on GroinAttack.Fan Works and I'm not sure if I can add what I found onto the miscapitalized list without crashing whichever server is trying to save my edit.

I think I already said that others disagreeing with your position, or arguing over what counts as "necessary", contributed to stalling the project. Personally I just want to stay out of that fight.

Edited by Miss_Desperado on May 15th 2020 at 2:11:28 AM

- Wicks don't always reflect the actual capitalization.

FanFic.HomestuckActOmega, for instance, is actually capitalized fine.

Its "Fanfic" tab has the proper capitalization, so it's good.

And a few on that list don't have problems, like A Certain Droll Hivemind.

...

Okay, checked down to A Robin's Nest, and that's the only one... So, hmm...

Edited by Malady on May 15th 2020 at 2:31:18 AM

All I'm saying is that Malady keeps making it sound like the one and only way to fix these things is to have the mods do it. I'm just here to point out that this isn't true and there are other ways to fix the problem without needing the mods. Not here to pick a fight, just to state something that needs to be stated.

- True. If there's stubs on the list, I wouldn't be against just plain cutting them.

I like keeping the history, but if you're wanting to transfer the data without it, manually and stuff, I'm not gonna stop you.

Names To Know In Anime has the page warning but I dont know how to split it

Divide the page into Anime peeps, Manga peeps, and Dubbing/Subbing peeps.

What about Studios, Music composers and Authors? Keep them on the main page?