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** Deathstroke's mercenary team of Titans were described by writer Eric Wallace as being bad people, but it's clear that the majority of the team was supposed to be seen as tragic and sympathetic due to their horrible backstories and the recent series of traumas that pushed them into the team. This included Cheshire and Tattooed Man losing their respective child, Osiris being haunted by the man he accidentally killed to protect his sister, and the years of sexual abuse and SurvivorsGuilt Cinder suffered from. However, any sympathy these characters might have gained was instantly crushed by the team's first actual appearance when they brutally slaughtered [[TheAtom Ryan Choi]], followed by Osiris's gradual transformation into a self-centered brat and Cinder stupidly letting a serial child rapist free because she rushed her attempt to murder him. The only member of the team who managed to retain any sense of sympathy from fans was [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Roy Harper]], who was not a part of Ryan's death and had the distinction of being manipulated by both Deathstroke ''and'' Cheshire. It helps that readers were still ''majorly'' pissed off at how poorly Roy was being handled after ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' and ''Rise of Arsenal''.

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** Deathstroke's mercenary team of Titans were described by writer Eric Wallace as being bad people, but it's clear that the majority of the team was supposed to be seen as tragic and sympathetic due to their horrible backstories and the recent series of traumas that pushed them into the team. This included Cheshire and Tattooed Man losing their respective child, Osiris being haunted by the man he accidentally killed to protect his sister, and the years of sexual abuse and SurvivorsGuilt Cinder suffered from. However, any sympathy these characters might have gained was instantly crushed by the team's first actual appearance when they brutally slaughtered [[TheAtom [[ComicBook/TheAtom Ryan Choi]], followed by Osiris's gradual transformation into a self-centered brat and Cinder stupidly letting a serial child rapist free because she rushed her attempt to murder him. The only member of the team who managed to retain any sense of sympathy from fans was [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Roy Harper]], who was not a part of Ryan's death and had the distinction of being manipulated by both Deathstroke ''and'' Cheshire. It helps that readers were still ''majorly'' pissed off at how poorly Roy was being handled after ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' and ''Rise of Arsenal''.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The success of the series meant that the Teen Titans are Robin (specifically, Dick Grayson), Comicbook/{{Cyborg}}, Comicbook/{{Starfire}}, Beast Boy, and Comicbook/{{Raven}}, as far as most of the public is concerned. The comics have been around since the 1960s and have had dozens of members throughout the years, but good luck finding many people who recognize any outside the core five from the TV show. Most subsequent adaptations try to mimic this show's roster as a result, only swapping out a character or two.
* AdaptationDistillation: Adapts and distills many elements from the Wolfman and Perez age of the comics along with some elements from both before and after that period.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Terra. Some fans see her as a wonderful person who is constantly misunderstood and persecuted (often times they are also Beast Boy/Terra shippers), or as a horrible bitch who betrayed the Titans and deserved what she got at the end of Season 2 ([[DieForOurShip usually Beast Boy/Raven shippers]]). Few people realize what she was actually meant to be: a BrokenBird and AntiVillain with complicated motives and very deep emotional issues. So she's a normal 15-year-old girl. Albeit one with geokinetic powers.
*** Also, in "Things Change", does Terra truly have amnesia? Does her subconscious mind remember and is keeping her conscious mind from remembering too? Or does she fully remember on a conscious level and is just pretending not to remember? Is she even really ''there''? [[spoiler: ''Teen Titans Go'' has her older brother confirming that she is Terra, and he respects her wishes to have a normal life. Terra at least remembers Brion and smiles as she sees him leaving]].
** Val-Yor from the episode, ''Troq'' was seen smiling as he left Earth. Was he smiling because he is relieved to leave a planet full of Tamaranean sympathizers who called him out on his FantasticRacism and smirking for being better than them? Or was he really, [[HiddenHeartOfGold deep down]], [[PetTheDog thankful that Starfire saved him]] and [[HeelFaceTurn is slowly changing his views]]? Or is he [[NobleBigot still racist against the Tamaraneans, but proud of the Titans for standing up for their friend]]?
** Raven hugging Beast Boy at the end of "Spellbound" is one of the most heartwarming moments in the show, but Raven may have more than one reason for doing it. While it's clear that she is showing gratitude for supporting her, it may have also been her way of apologizing to him. For what, exactly? Not comforting him the same way when Beast Boy went through pretty much the same thing with Terra. She realizes that Beast Boy didn't get ''any'' kind words from his friends, and that he needed that hug just as much as she did.
** The writing of the season 3 episode "The Beast Within" is ''terribly'' inconsistent about what's actually going on, including the question of how much of or even ''whether'' Beast Boy's [[JerkassBall ugly behavior]] is actually [[FreakOut his]] [[TheCorruption own]] [[PowerIncontinence fault]].
*** And while we're on the subject, can somebody explain the Man-Beast, what it is, how it works, and why [[spoiler:Adonis was one, too]], please? 'Cause the fans certainly aren't in agreement.
** In "Birthmark", Raven’s ability to stop time. Was it just a “birthday gift” from Trigon that she could only use once on that day, or is it a power she always has, but can only use while feeling very intense emotions (such as the extreme fear and panic she was no doubt feeling when her friends were about to die)?
** In "Troq", Cyborg replies to Starfire's question of whether he's been judged because of his looks with "Of course I do. I'm part robot". Did he mean that at face value and he is discriminated against more for being a cyborg more-so than because he's black, or did he not mention racism due to Starfire's naivety towards Earth culture?
** In "Go!", after Robin frees Starfire and she kisses him to learn English, she tells him "If you wish not to be destroyed, you will leave me alone!" and flies off. Was she saying this as a threat, or as a warning about what the Gordanians would do if they saw them helping her (which the Gordanians eventually try to act on)?
* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: A ''Teen Titans'' show by itself doesn't sound too bad, but one inspired directly by ''anime'' of all things raised some eyebrows. Couple this with the silly sense of humor and the lighthearted atmosphere of the first few episodes and many fans felt that this series couldn't hope to live up to the maturity and complexity of the ''DCAU'' in any way. This was quickly proven wrong by the fourth episode, "Forces of Nature", which introduced the BigBad of Slade and immediately ramped up the quality of writing. Following this, the show began to become increasingly darker and more intense, and eventually became known for its involving and dramatic story arcs revolving around the personal struggles of the main characters, mixed deftly with comedic episodes to ease the tension. The series eventually gained a massive following and became AdoredByTheNetwork, to the point where other ''Teen Titans'' properties borrow more closely from this show than they do the original comics. The show later received a SpiritualSuccessor in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' which received its own cult following, and later gained a remake of sorts in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' which became a ratings juggernaut.
* AngstWhatAngst:
** It's revealed [[ComicBook/TeenTitansGo in the tie-in comic]] that Starfire's parents died after she was sent away as a slave by Blackfire to the Gordanians. This isn't brought up at all in the episode she returned to Tamaran. Granted, the comic came out after the episode aired, but watching it again, it becomes [[HarsherInHindsight particularly jarring]] considering that Starfire displays no form of grief. [[TheSociopath Blackfire]]'s lack of grief is justified. {{Fanon}} for this seems to be either that Starfire's parents were so distant that she never really knew them (which given that they were royals and what we know of their culture, might make sense) or that they sold her into slavery in the first place (with or without Blackfire's prodding). There is also some consensus that she considers her ParentalSubstitute seen in the fake wedding episode and his wife (if he has one) to be her true parents.
** Beast Boy has several examples.
*** During "The Beast Within" Robin decides to subject Beast Boy to a full police interrogation to figure out what happened to Raven after they disappeared from the tower. Nobody ever brings up how the Titans were one hundred percent willing to assume the worst of him, or how Beast Boy's episode is a blatant example of ThereAreNoTherapists.
*** Also from "The Beast Within", Cyborg suggests that Beast Boy's DNA is decomposing, which is a condition that almost assuredly means death... but not only is the implication ignored by everyone in the room, literally ''the first thing'' out of Beast Boy's mouth is a question about Raven's recovery.
*** Beast Boy's history with Terra is one of the most heartbreaking things to happen to the team, and yet he only ever angsts about it when she's relevant to the plot. The rest of the time, there's practically no sign that she had any impact at ''all''.
*** Everything to do with the Doom Patrol, which was introduced in Season Five and introduced a ''huge'' retcon into Beast Boy's history -- Beast Boy had always been rather free-floating as the show's local CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass, so the idea that he's actually been a MilitaryBrat [[ToBeLawfulOrGood who would rather save lives than follow orders]] ''the whole time'' is downright bizarre. Even Cyborg and Raven privately muse about it.
*** The tie-in comic ''also'' confirms that Garfield's parents died in Africa when he was a little boy. This gets even less treatment than the matter of the Doom Patrol.
* AssPull:
** Cyborg gaining regenerating powers and invulnerability by hacking Brother Blood in the season 3 finale come out of nowhere as a kind of DeusExMachina, and are subsequently {{Handwave}}d as being "a one-time deal".
*** He also got a spontaneous boost during the fight with Atlas when he's suddenly and inexplicably able to surpass the built-in limits of his hardware.
** The [[spoiler:second]] Man-Beast in "The Beast Within", which swoops in at the last minute to absolve Beast Boy of any potential guilt he might have over the episode's events.
* AudienceColoringAdaptation:
** Several things, ranging from character design to characterization itself, were later implemented into the actual comics, with varying results. Also, if you were to ask someone today about the ''Teen Titans'' comic mythos, they're much more likely base it on their knowledge of the show.
*** For some specifics: take Cyborg and Raven. The former's popularity in this show (and a few other factors outside of it) have carried over into the comics and even boosted him all the way up to becoming ''a founding member of the '''Justice League''' '' come the New 52 launch. The latter a little less so, but after this show portrayals of Raven have skewed much closer to this show than her original comic appearances in terms of combative powers and physical appearance, going as far as to have her reborn as a young teen after decades of being as old as Dick/Nightwing.
** This has caused problems with Starfire's reception as a character, as her cartoon self and her comic self are radically different, causing her comic-self to be widely disliked by a large number of fans who were introduced to the series through the show. While both Starfires are loving, affectionate [[ActionGirl action girls]] who are always there for their friends that's about where similarities end in terms of personality. Starfire from the cartoon is a NaiveNewcomer, FunnyForeigner, who speaks in somewhat broken English and [[FishOutOfWater has trouble fitting in due to her vastly different culture.]] Starfire from the comic is a [[BoisterousBruiser hot headed]] BruiserWithASoftCenter who is both a very liberated young lady who isn't nearly as shy or awkward as her cartoon self, speaks perfect English, as well as being very sexually active by American standards and is a major case of MsFanservice. She is also easily enraged and much more prone to violence than her cartoon self. When New 52 tried to emphasize [[InNameOnly her]] original incarnation's [[DarkerAndEdgier darker characteristics]] at least part of the backlash was from people who grew up with the cartoon counterpart, and were confused as to why she was so drastically different.[[note]]Other backlash was due to making her very one dimensional in attempt to make her edgy, giving her a costume that was somehow even MORE revealing than her original incarnation's, essentially just being there as eye-candy, and having Roy have sex with her despite her apparent amnesia.[[/note]] Also of note is her physical appearance. Her cartoon appearance portrayed her as a very skinny young woman with small, but still noticeable curves. Her original comic incarnation was ''so'' curvy that several other Titans affectionately and jokingly [[LampshadeHanging referred to her as]] [[InSeriesNickname "Balloon Bod."]]
*** After the backlash against the writing of Starfire's character in New 52 became too much, DC wrote her out of ''Outlaws'' and gave her her own series. In it, her physical appearance and attire is much closer to her cartoon counterpart's appearance. Her personality became something of an amalgam of her Pre-New 52 personality and her cartoon personality, and her English skills are somewhere in between the two previous incarnations. Arguably she has now become the Titan who is most like her cartoon self.
** Comic-verse Beast Boy's inexorable slide into shallow CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass can largely be traced back to this show. He has also aged down after slowly aging up since the 90s, and his alias has reverted after going by "Changeling" for decades, even during the Wolfman/Perez run.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vskhxLHfTOA Mumbo's "Master of Your Fate"]].
** Terra's theme (especially the rendition that plays during her run through the obstacle course) is pretty darn awesome.
** Near the ending of the Apprentice arc, an intense, dark guitar riff plays when Slade loses his cool and lashes out at Robin. It gets a slower DarkReprise when Robin pulls an awesome BatmanGambit on Slade to save his friends.
** Everything from the "Aftershock" and "The End" multiparters.
** The third act of "Masks" has some of the most ominous background music in the show. Special mention goes to Slade's first full appearance, and then his first real fight with Robin.
** Here's one that doubles as a SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}: When there's trouble you know what to dooooo... CALL CYBORG! He can shoot a rocket from his shooooe... CAUSE HE'S CYBORG! Doodadoodah, something like that! (Oh yeah!) Nananana, BIG FLUFFY CAT! (That's right!)
** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSiGteEY-jk climax]] of the episode ''Haunted'' is perfectly spine-chilling.
** Blink and you'll miss it, but when the Titans make a comeback during the big fight in the GrandFinale ''Titans Together'', a badass instrumental orchestral remix of the main theme song plays.
** The song "Raining Down on the Fourth of July Parade" in the episode "Revolution".
* BadassDecay:
** Brother Blood. Even though his power level actually seemed to go ''up'' with each appearance, his personality became increasingly [[LargeHam hammy]], petulant, and single-mindedly obsessed with Cyborg, which noticeably hurt his overall effectiveness as a villain.
** Also very observable with the HIVE kids. In their first couple of appearances, they're the EvilCounterpart team to the Titans and can fight them evenly (and beat them without too much trouble if they play their cards right), but as time goes on they become complete jokes to the point that [[DarkActionGirl Jinx]], who remained the most competent, finally jumped ship and [[HeelFaceTurn became a hero]].
** In the final battle with the Brotherhood of Evil, Mother Mae-Eye is taken out by a single hex blast from Jinx.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Slade. He's either the most compelling and chilling depiction of the character to date, with his reinterpretation as TheChessmaster and ManipulativeBastard who runs on CreepyAwesome, or he's an unfaithful adaptation who completely misses what made the comics character likeable, an antiheroic mercenary and contract killer. There's also the fact of Slade often using [[ActuallyADoombot Sladebots]] rather than fighting his own fights that is another matter of contention.
** Terra, who, like her comicbook original, is at the center of a debate on where exactly she falls on the SlidingScaleOfAntagonistVileness. The fact that she's an AdaptationalNiceGuy helped make this even more heated.
** Mother Mae Eye. Some people find her episode hilarious due to how out of character she makes the Titans, especially Raven, act, and she is fondly remembered for putting Raven in a dress. However, others were sickened by how TastesLikeDiabetes her episode was.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
** Slade's entire appearance in "Forces of Nature", where he not only creates a giant fire monster for no reason other than pure destruction (though this was primarily to divert the other four Titans while he could face Robin one-on-one for the first time), but displays several magical abilities that he never uses again.
** Terra (maybe) moving icecubes in one scene in "Things Change". This is never explained or brought up again.
* BizarroEpisode: At least once per season, with such episodes being telegraphed by use of the Japanese opening. Mad Mod's episodes fall into this, as do "Fractured" in Season 2, "Bunny Raven" in Season 3, "Don't Touch That Dial", "Employee of the Month" ''and'' "Mother Mae-Eye" in Season 4, and "Revved Up" in Season 5.
* BrokenBase:
** The show draws flak from some fans of the original comics [[MoodWhiplash for its frequent, yet inconsistent]] [[ComedyGhetto less-than-serious tone]], its {{Animesque}} nature, and the many differences between the heroes in the comics and their cartoon incarnations (like animated Raven's exaggerated Gothiness and animated Starfire being less aggressive and more naive). In addition, the physical appearance of the characters in the animated series is profoundly different than that of the original comic book series which (despite its title) depicted the Titans as being in their 20s[[note]]at one point, the comic series even dropped ''Teen'' from the title, as it had become apparent they weren't anymore[[/note]], with Starfire and Raven being arguably the two characters most noticeably "kiddified" for the animated series.
** Season 5 as a whole tends to be divisive with the fandom. Some loved the focus on both [[ADayInTheLimelight new and old supporting characters]] while others hated it, and felt the series should have concluded with Season 4 as originally planned. The SeriesFinale, "Things Change" is especially a sore point among the fandom: some fans see it as a disappointing {{Cliffhanger}} ending for the series that should be resolved, while others believe the episode's [[AnAesop message about accepting change]] was a perfectly fine note to end on.
** The series was notorious for its Robin/Starfire vs. Robin/Raven fandom war. It got so bad that stating your preference was a quick way to make enemies. There were even little online cultures around the ships—Robin/Starfire fandom tended to consider themselves more well-adjusted than the alternative, whereas Robin/Raven fandom often considered themselves more mature due to the complex nature of their fandom.
** Whether the [[DarkerAndEdgier more serious episodes]] or the [[DenserAndWackier more comedic episodes]] are superior.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: AccidentalInnuendo:
** On more than one occasion during
The success of New Teen Titans era, Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} would let Jericho, whose power was to [[BodySurf possess people]], possess him with the series meant that words: [[http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk8uz27EK01qc7r93o1_400.png "Joey, get inside me!"]]
** [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98764/1899884-loves_dick.jpg Here Starfire yells]] "I love Dick! Dick! I love Dick!" Referring to [[ComicBook/{{Robin}} Dick Grayson]], of course.
* AlasPoorScrappy: The fate of Marvin and Wendy in "Teen Titans #62". Yes, they were annoying. No, they did '''not''' deserve to be brutalized by Wonder Dog, who kills Marvin and leaves Wendy comatose and paraplegic.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Terra. A sociopath who could not be helped, or a [[StepfordSmiler broken]] little girl who got mixed up with the wrong people and let her emotions get the better of her? Did she truly think
the Teen Titans are Robin (specifically, Dick Grayson), Comicbook/{{Cyborg}}, Comicbook/{{Starfire}}, Beast Boy, were her friends, even a little bit? Did she have feelings for Garfield? [[spoiler:[[DeathIsCheap Terra 2]], and Comicbook/{{Raven}}, as far as most her Black Lantern version, seems to have supported the alternate views]]. Also, was she [[HoistByHisOwnPetard hoisted by her own petard]] by accident, or did she commit suicide with the intention of doing so? Was she evil at heart, or did she just hate the hypocritical "goody two-shoes" nature of the public Titans? Was her death fueled by drugs, contaminated drinking water, or was it natural?
** This
is concerned. The comics have been around since also another instance where the 1960s ambiguity only came later. Terra's evilness was the whole point of her character, and have had dozens the narration during her death says, in no uncertain terms, that no one taught her to hate but herself.
*** Just prior to ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', there was a one-shot published that seemed to insinuate that Terra's psychotic behavior was the result
of being drugged by Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}} (ala his kidnapping and brainwashing of [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]]).
* ArcFatigue:
** ''ComicBook/TitansHunt'', a complex and long story. It began with their
members throughout the years, but good luck finding many people who recognize any outside the core five being kidnapped and Deathstroke hired to rescue them. Then we get a new villain society, a cheap Wolverine expy, a flying sheet, an unneeded trip to Russia, Cyborg turned into a complete robot, a new team of Titans from the TV show. Most subsequent adaptations try future trying to mimic this show's roster as a result, only swapping out a character or two.kill Troia, and so on, and so on...
* AdaptationDistillation: Adapts ** ''The Culling'' in the ''ComicBook/New52''. The book's first 8 issues (most of a year) were built to get to this crossover with ''Legion Lost'', and distills many elements from at the end they don't even manage to defeat the bad guy.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: These periodically show up every few years or so. Some went over better than other.
** The
Wolfman Era:
*** Kory was forced into a political marriage during Crisis on Infinite Earths, but after she returned to Earth to be with the man she loved (Dick Grayson), her marriage was ultimately explained to be a glorified peace treaty
and Perez age not a "traditional" marriage, presumably because the iconic Dick and Kory relationship being an act of adultery was a bit too much.
** The Johns' era.
*** John Bryne's unpopular erasure
of the comics along Doom Patrol's past was undone thanks to a battle with some elements from both before Superboy Prime.
*** Resurrecting Jerico with his original, pre HeelFaceTurn personality.
*** Both Rose Wilson
and Cassandra Cain's bouts of insanity were explained away by Deathstroke drugging them during Johns final arc on the title, with Cassandra restored during it.
*** Cutting down on the number of mentor titans
after that period.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Terra. Some
fans see her as a wonderful person who is constantly misunderstood complained and persecuted (often times making Robin the leader of the team post One Year Later.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Several major female characters introduced under Marv Wolfman's pen have become this for lurching back and forth between sympathetic moral ambiguity and straight-up CartoonishSupervillainy, which leaves fans arguing about [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation how these characters should be interpreted]] and where
they are also Beast Boy/Terra shippers), or as fall on the SlidingScaleOfAntagonistVileness.
*** Tara "Terra" Markov, whose HeelFaceTurn quickly became
a horrible bitch who betrayed "personal project" of Garfield Logan's. Despite her abrasive Too Cool for School attitude and ''very'' dubious backstory, she was determined to insinuate herself within the ranks of the Titans and deserved what learn everything she got at could about them, which was a blatant red flag for everyone not named Garfield. On the end other hand, as she would sporadically open up to the Titans herself, whenever she ''did'' receive the trust of Season 2 ([[DieForOurShip usually Beast Boy/Raven shippers]]). Few people realize what her allies, notably Kid Flash and Cyborg, she was actually meant always subject to be: surprisingly innocent disbelief. She tread that fine line until ''Comicbook/TheJudasContract'', which saw her make good on her spying as both a BrokenBird traitor and AntiVillain ''Deathstroke's bedmate'' (contrasting her newly romantic intimacy with complicated motives Garfield). During the final showdown, the sight of Slade ([[DemonicPossession apparently]]) betraying her inspires her to go JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and very deep emotional issues. So she's a normal 15-year-old girl. Albeit one with geokinetic powers.
*** Also,
[[PersonOfMassDestruction she brings the house down]]... inadvertently on herself. Even in "Things Change", does Terra truly have amnesia? Does the midst of the narrative and some WordOfGod accusing her subconscious mind remember and is keeping her conscious mind from remembering too? Or does she fully remember on a conscious level and is just pretending not to remember? Is she even really ''there''? [[spoiler: ''Teen Titans Go'' has her older brother confirming that she is Terra, and he respects her wishes to have a normal life. Terra at least remembers Brion and smiles as she sees him leaving]].
** Val-Yor from the episode, ''Troq'' was seen smiling as he left Earth. Was he smiling because he is relieved to leave a planet full
of Tamaranean sympathizers who called him out on his FantasticRacism and smirking for being better than them? Or was he really, [[HiddenHeartOfGold deep down]], [[PetTheDog thankful that Starfire saved him]] both pure evil and [[HeelFaceTurn is slowly changing his views]]? Or is he [[NobleBigot crazy, there's still racist a very distinct element of a lost little girl looking for love. Hell, her sympathetic traits resulted in her being so popular that the fan perception of her FaceHeelTurn led to death threats against the Tamaraneans, but proud creative team.
*** Raven, who famously struggled to fight off her father's evil influence, only to inevitably collapse under the pressure and become evil herself. The interesting issue is that both major incarnations of "Evil Raven" are actually ''different characters''. The first is the SoullessShell of Raven's body serving as one of Trigon's PeoplePuppets, and serves as Trigon's herald (Raven's real personality in the form of her soul-self was absent); the second was Raven's soul-self after undergoing TheCorruption and becoming a DepravedBisexual and {{Horny Devil|s}}, whose plan was to bring her deceased brethren back to life by essentially impregnating victims with "Trigon Seeds" -- soon, Raven's plans expanded to include using the alien Psions to assault and ultimately ''destroy'' the planet of Tamaran. It was eventually revealed that this second Evil Raven was being vaguely manipulated and ultimately defeated by a leftover "good" portion of Raven's soul hiding in Kory's body (who forgave her after all was said and done).
*** Cheshire, who is notable for being a starker, more extreme take on the pattern established by Terra. Cheshire was a mercenary, in a LoveTriangle with both Slade and one
of the Titans for standing up for their friend]]?
** Raven hugging Beast Boy at
(Roy Harper, in this case), with a confused but poignant moral streak[[note]]Taking contracts to incite racial conflict and then sabotaging her clients, her attachment to Roy as the end father of "Spellbound" is her child and the man who raised her -- Family, if not "love", was a big thing with early Cheshire[[/note]]... who then gets a big arc in the pages of ''Deathstroke'' with both men in her LoveTriangle, in which she also goes JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope during the climax, and nukes the nation of Qurac to prove she can be one of the most heartwarming moments in the show, but Raven may have more than one reason for doing it. While it's clear that she is showing gratitude for supporting her, it may have also been her way of apologizing to him. For what, exactly? Not comforting him the same way when Beast Boy went through pretty much the same thing with Terra. She realizes that Beast Boy didn't get ''any'' kind words from his friends, and that he needed that hug just as much as she did.
** The writing of the season 3 episode "The Beast Within" is ''terribly'' inconsistent about what's actually going on, including the question of how much of or even ''whether'' Beast Boy's [[JerkassBall ugly behavior]] is actually [[FreakOut his]] [[TheCorruption own]] [[PowerIncontinence fault]].
*** And while we're on the subject, can somebody explain the Man-Beast, what it is, how it works, and why [[spoiler:Adonis was one, too]], please? 'Cause the fans certainly aren't in agreement.
** In "Birthmark", Raven’s ability to stop time. Was it just a “birthday gift” from Trigon that she could only use once on that day, or is it a power she always has, but can only use while feeling very intense emotions (such as the extreme fear and panic she was no doubt feeling when her friends were about to die)?
** In "Troq", Cyborg replies to Starfire's question of whether he's been judged because of his looks with "Of course I do. I'm part robot". Did he mean that at face value and he is discriminated against more for being a cyborg more-so than because he's black, or did he not mention racism due to Starfire's naivety towards Earth culture?
** In "Go!", after Robin frees Starfire and she kisses him to learn English, she tells him "If you wish not to be destroyed, you will leave me alone!" and flies off. Was she saying this as a threat, or as a warning about what the Gordanians would do if they saw them helping her (which the Gordanians eventually try to act on)?
* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: A ''Teen Titans'' show by itself doesn't sound too bad, but one inspired directly by ''anime'' of all things raised some eyebrows. Couple this with the silly sense of humor and the lighthearted atmosphere of the first few episodes and many fans felt that this series couldn't hope to live up to the maturity and complexity of the ''DCAU'' in any way. This was quickly proven wrong by the fourth episode, "Forces of Nature", which introduced the BigBad of Slade and immediately ramped up the quality of writing. Following this, the show began to become increasingly darker and more intense, and eventually became known for its involving and dramatic story arcs revolving around the personal struggles of the main characters, mixed deftly with comedic episodes to ease the tension. The series eventually gained a massive following and became AdoredByTheNetwork, to the point where other ''Teen Titans'' properties borrow more closely from this show than they do the original comics. The show later received a SpiritualSuccessor in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' which received its own cult following, and later gained a remake of sorts in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' which became a ratings juggernaut.
"big players".
* AngstWhatAngst:
*** It should be noted here that early commentary by Wolfman indicates Terra was cast as the true villain of The Judas Contract to make his CreatorsPet Deathstroke look better, which given the similarities seems to have been the same motivation behind Cheshire's behavior in the 90s. Gail Simone, a later writer, takes the position that the Qurac bombing indicates Cheshire is a sociopath who loves her children so long as it's useful to her.
** Cassie Sandsmark/Wonder Girl II. Many like her, others outright hate her. There's no middle ground.
** Bunker from the New 52 Titans - some hate him for his too-perfect attitude, but many others claim that at least he wasn't an asshole like everyone else at the time.
*** Same goes for his friend Skitter.
** Damian Wayne, the current Robin, both the pre-Flashpoint and Rebirth era with some liking him and others hating him.
It's revealed [[ComicBook/TeenTitansGo in not helped by the tie-in comic]] that Starfire's parents died after she was sent away as a slave by Blackfire to the Gordanians. This isn't brought up at all in the episode she returned to Tamaran. Granted, the comic came out after the episode aired, but watching it again, it becomes [[HarsherInHindsight particularly jarring]] considering that Starfire displays no form of grief. [[TheSociopath Blackfire]]'s lack of grief is justified. {{Fanon}} for this seems to be either that Starfire's parents were so distant that she never really knew them (which given that they were royals and what we know of their culture, might make sense) or that they sold her into slavery in the first place (with or without Blackfire's prodding). There is also some consensus that she considers her ParentalSubstitute seen in the fake wedding episode and his wife (if he has one) to be her true parents.
** Beast Boy has several examples.
*** During "The Beast Within" Robin decides to subject Beast Boy to a full police interrogation to figure out what happened to Raven after they disappeared from the tower. Nobody ever brings up how the Titans were one hundred percent willing to assume the worst of him, or how Beast Boy's episode is a blatant example of ThereAreNoTherapists.
*** Also from "The Beast Within", Cyborg suggests that Beast Boy's DNA is decomposing, which is a condition that almost assuredly means death... but not only is the implication ignored by everyone in the room, literally ''the first thing'' out of Beast Boy's mouth is a question about Raven's recovery.
*** Beast Boy's history with Terra is one of the most heartbreaking things to happen to the team, and yet he only ever angsts about it when she's relevant to the plot. The rest of the time, there's practically no sign that she had any impact at ''all''.
*** Everything to do with the Doom Patrol, which was introduced in Season Five and introduced a ''huge'' retcon into Beast Boy's history -- Beast Boy had always been rather free-floating as the show's local CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass, so the idea
fact that he's actually been a MilitaryBrat [[ToBeLawfulOrGood who would rather save lives than follow orders]] ''the whole time'' is downright bizarre. Even Cyborg and Raven privately muse about it.
*** The tie-in comic ''also'' confirms that Garfield's parents died in Africa when he was a little boy. This gets even less treatment than the matter of the Doom Patrol.
* AssPull:
** Cyborg gaining regenerating powers and invulnerability by hacking Brother Blood in the season 3 finale come out of nowhere as a kind of DeusExMachina, and are subsequently {{Handwave}}d as being "a one-time deal".
*** He also got a spontaneous boost during the fight with Atlas when he's suddenly and inexplicably able to surpass the built-in limits of his hardware.
** The [[spoiler:second]] Man-Beast in "The Beast Within", which swoops in at the last minute to absolve Beast Boy of any potential guilt he might have over the episode's events.
* AudienceColoringAdaptation:
** Several things, ranging from character design to characterization itself, were later implemented into the actual comics, with varying results. Also, if you were to ask someone today about the ''Teen Titans'' comic mythos, they're much more likely base it on their knowledge of the show.
*** For some specifics: take Cyborg and Raven. The former's popularity in this show (and a few other factors outside of it) have carried over into the comics and even boosted him all the way up to becoming ''a founding member of the '''Justice League''' '' come the New 52 launch. The latter a little less so, but after this show portrayals of Raven have skewed much closer to this show than her original comic appearances in terms of combative powers and physical appearance, going as far as to have her reborn as a young teen after decades of being as old as Dick/Nightwing.
** This has caused problems with Starfire's reception as a character, as her cartoon self and her comic self are radically different, causing her comic-self to be widely disliked by a large number of fans who were introduced to the series through the show. While both Starfires are loving, affectionate [[ActionGirl action girls]] who are always there for their friends that's about where similarities end in terms of personality. Starfire from the cartoon is a NaiveNewcomer, FunnyForeigner, who speaks in somewhat broken English and [[FishOutOfWater has trouble fitting in due to her vastly different culture.]] Starfire from the comic is a [[BoisterousBruiser hot headed]] BruiserWithASoftCenter who is both a very liberated young lady who isn't nearly as shy or awkward as her cartoon self, speaks perfect English, as well as being very sexually active by American standards and is a major case of MsFanservice. She is also easily enraged and much more prone to violence than her cartoon self. When New 52 tried to emphasize [[InNameOnly her]] original incarnation's [[DarkerAndEdgier darker characteristics]] at least part of the backlash was from people who grew up with the cartoon counterpart, and were confused as to why she was so drastically different.[[note]]Other backlash was due to making her very one dimensional in attempt to make her edgy, giving her a costume that was somehow even MORE revealing than her original incarnation's, essentially just being there as eye-candy, and having Roy have sex with her despite her apparent amnesia.[[/note]] Also of note is her physical appearance. Her cartoon appearance portrayed her as a very skinny young woman with small, but still noticeable curves. Her original comic incarnation was ''so'' curvy that several other Titans affectionately and jokingly [[LampshadeHanging referred to her as]] [[InSeriesNickname "Balloon Bod."]]
*** After the backlash against the writing of Starfire's character in New 52 became too much, DC wrote her out of ''Outlaws'' and gave her her own series. In it, her physical appearance and attire is much closer to her cartoon counterpart's appearance. Her personality became something of an amalgam of her Pre-New 52 personality and her cartoon personality, and her English skills are somewhere in between the two previous incarnations. Arguably she has now become the Titan who is most like her cartoon self.
** Comic-verse Beast Boy's inexorable slide into shallow CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass can largely be traced back to this show. He has also aged down after slowly aging up since the 90s, and his alias has reverted after going by "Changeling" for decades, even during the Wolfman/Perez run.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vskhxLHfTOA Mumbo's "Master of Your Fate"]].
** Terra's theme (especially the rendition that plays during her run through the obstacle course) is pretty darn awesome.
** Near the ending of the Apprentice arc, an intense, dark guitar riff plays when Slade loses his cool and lashes out at Robin. It gets a slower DarkReprise when Robin pulls an awesome BatmanGambit on Slade to save his friends.
** Everything from the "Aftershock" and "The End" multiparters.
** The third act of "Masks" has some of the most ominous background music in the show. Special mention goes to Slade's first full appearance, and then his first real fight with Robin.
** Here's one that doubles as a SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}: When there's trouble you know what to dooooo... CALL CYBORG! He can shoot a rocket from his shooooe... CAUSE HE'S CYBORG! Doodadoodah, something like that! (Oh yeah!) Nananana, BIG FLUFFY CAT! (That's right!)
** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSiGteEY-jk climax]] of the episode ''Haunted'' is perfectly spine-chilling.
** Blink and you'll miss it, but when the Titans make a comeback during the big fight in the GrandFinale ''Titans Together'', a badass instrumental orchestral remix of the main theme song plays.
** The song "Raining Down on the Fourth of July Parade" in the episode "Revolution".
* BadassDecay:
** Brother Blood. Even though his power level actually seemed to go ''up'' with each appearance, his personality became increasingly [[LargeHam hammy]], petulant, and single-mindedly obsessed with Cyborg, which noticeably hurt his overall effectiveness as a villain.
** Also very observable with the HIVE kids. In their first couple of appearances, they're the EvilCounterpart team to the Titans and can fight them evenly (and beat them without too much trouble if they play their cards right), but as time goes on they become complete jokes to the point that [[DarkActionGirl Jinx]], who remained the most competent, finally jumped ship and [[HeelFaceTurn became a hero]].
** In the final battle with the Brotherhood of Evil, Mother Mae-Eye is taken out by a single hex blast from Jinx.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Slade. He's either the most compelling and chilling depiction of the character to date, with his reinterpretation as TheChessmaster and ManipulativeBastard who runs on CreepyAwesome, or he's an unfaithful adaptation who completely misses what made the comics character likeable, an antiheroic mercenary and contract killer. There's also the fact of Slade often using [[ActuallyADoombot Sladebots]] rather than fighting his own fights that is another matter of contention.
** Terra, who, like her comicbook original, is at the center of a debate on where exactly she falls on the SlidingScaleOfAntagonistVileness. The fact that she's an AdaptationalNiceGuy helped make this even more heated.
** Mother Mae Eye. Some people find her episode hilarious due to how out of character she makes the Titans, especially Raven, act, and she is fondly remembered for putting Raven in a dress. However, others were sickened by how TastesLikeDiabetes her episode was.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
** Slade's entire appearance in "Forces of Nature", where he not only creates a giant fire monster for no reason other than pure destruction (though this was primarily to divert the other four Titans while he could face Robin one-on-one for the first time), but displays several magical abilities that he never uses again.
** Terra (maybe) moving icecubes in one scene in "Things Change". This is never explained or brought up again.
* BizarroEpisode: At least once per season, with such episodes being telegraphed by use of the Japanese opening. Mad Mod's episodes fall into this, as do "Fractured" in Season 2, "Bunny Raven" in Season 3, "Don't Touch That Dial", "Employee of the Month" ''and'' "Mother Mae-Eye" in Season 4, and "Revved Up" in Season 5.
* BrokenBase:
** The show draws flak from some fans of the original comics [[MoodWhiplash for its frequent, yet inconsistent]] [[ComedyGhetto less-than-serious tone]], its {{Animesque}} nature, and the many differences between the heroes in the comics and their cartoon incarnations (like animated Raven's exaggerated Gothiness and animated Starfire being less aggressive and more naive). In addition, the physical appearance of the characters in the animated series is profoundly different than that of the original comic book series which (despite its title) depicted the Titans as being in their 20s[[note]]at one point, the comic series even dropped ''Teen'' from the title, as it had become apparent they weren't anymore[[/note]], with Starfire and Raven being arguably the two characters most noticeably "kiddified" for the animated series.
** Season 5 as a whole tends to be divisive with the fandom. Some loved the focus on both [[ADayInTheLimelight new and old supporting characters]] while others hated it, and felt the series should have concluded with Season 4 as originally planned. The SeriesFinale, "Things Change" is especially a sore point among the fandom: some fans see it as a disappointing {{Cliffhanger}} ending for the series that should be resolved, while others believe the episode's [[AnAesop message about accepting change]] was a perfectly fine note to end on.
** The series was notorious for its Robin/Starfire vs. Robin/Raven fandom war. It got so bad that stating your preference was a quick way to make enemies. There were even little online cultures around the ships—Robin/Starfire fandom tended to consider themselves more well-adjusted than the alternative, whereas Robin/Raven fandom often
considered themselves more mature due to the complex nature of their fandom.
** Whether the [[DarkerAndEdgier more serious episodes]] or the [[DenserAndWackier more comedic episodes]] are superior.
a BaseBreakingCharacter in ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' as well.



* CantUnHearIt:
** After this show, there's a very good chance you'll be imagining Creator/KharyPayton as Cyborg, Creator/TaraStrong as Raven, Creator/GregCipes as Beast Boy, Creator/ScottMenville as Robin, and Creator/HyndenWalch as Starfire when you read the comics. The same goes for Creator/RonPerlman as Slade/Deathstroke.
** Particularly Creator/KharyPayton as Cyborg, having reprised the role in several other media after this series and seems to have become the de facto voice.
* CaptainObviousReveal: In "Trust", [[spoiler:it's pretty obvious that Madame Rouge was disguised as Hot Spot in the end, due to how "he" conveniently appeared ''without'' having his powers activated.]]
* ComedyGhetto: This series was, in its day, dismissed for having a frequent comedic tone. However, given the [[CerebusRollercoaster nature of the show]], it can be plenty serious if it wants to be.
* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/DCAnimation here]].
* CommonKnowledge: It's commonly circulated that the show was cancelled and that there was supposed to be at least on more season (usually, the "evidence" is that Starfire never received her own season arc or that Terra's fate at the end of Season 5 was leading into a future subplot), though it's not as simple as that; Season 5 was a PostScriptSeason (meaning it was never planned from the beginning) as the show was supposed to end with Season 4. Season 6 ''also'' would've been a post-script season, and supposedly only made it as far as a failed pitch. The only thing close to this is that Season 5's episode count was reduced from 20 to 13.
* CrackPairing: In-universe, we have the OfficialCouple of Kid Flash/Jinx. While both characters are adapted from the comics, their ship isn't, and it's extremely unlikely to ever happen there, whether the Kid Flash is Wally or Bart.
* CreepyAwesome: Raven and Slade. Raven gets less creepy as the show goes on, while Slade gets ''more'' creepy as the show goes on.
* CriticalDissonance: Season 5 was one of the most, if not ''the'' most, well-received season among critics and fans of the comics, who felt its tighter continuity, introduction of new characters such as Kid Flash, and more serious tone made it just as good, if not better, than the previous season. Among fans of the show, it's the most polarizing season for some of the same reasons.
* CrossoverShip:
** It's not uncommon to find ''Teen Titans'' crossover pairings, especially ones with Raven. Some the most popular ''Teen Titans'' crossovers are Terra×WesternAnimation/Ben10, Raven×Franchise/SpiderMan, Starfire×Franchise/SpiderMan, Raven×WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom, Raven×[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Zuko]], Raven×WesternAnimation/Ben10, and [[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}} Megara]]×Speedy.
*** The Ben 10 and Raven ones are especially strange when you consider that the original, young Ben was also voiced by Tara Strong, the voice of Raven, while the teen Ben from ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'', ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' was voiced by Yuri Lowenthal.
*** Considering the RelationshipWritingFumble on the latter series, Terra and Ben 10 is also kinda weird, since Gwen in ''Ben 10: Alien Force'' was voiced by Ashley Johnson, who voiced Terra.
*** Beast Boy is also getting shipped in the Fanfiction.net archives, especially in harem fics.
** Raven×Manga/{{Naruto}} pairings are pretty common.
** Though not as common as with Raven, Starfire has also been paired with Danny Phantom.
** Raven and Starfire were both been paired with Spider-Man.
* DelusionConclusion: There's a fan theory which suggests that the events of the show really happened, but ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is [[TakeThat all in Beast Boy's mind]].

to:

* CantUnHearIt:
** After this show, there's a very good chance you'll be imagining Creator/KharyPayton as
CommonKnowledge: Thanks to the [[AdaptationDisplacement animated series]] introducing an entire generation to the Teen Titans, many fans will commonly refer to the main five characters used in the show (Robin, Starfire, Cyborg, Creator/TaraStrong Raven and Beast Boy) as Raven, Creator/GregCipes as being the "classic" lineup. This despite the fact that this core lineup has ''never actually existed'' outside animation -- the only time all five members were on the team together was in the early Wolfman-Perez era, and even then it had Wonder Girl and Kid Flash on top of that. In reality, the Teen Titans have had [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters dozens of different members]] that would go in and out, and there would be entire runs without any of the "Big Five". Even when DC brought back the Teen Titans to capitalize on the show, the lineup was ''still'' different what it portrayed (It started with Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy, Creator/ScottMenville as Robin, and Creator/HyndenWalch as Starfire when you read the comics. The same goes for Creator/RonPerlman as Slade/Deathstroke.
** Particularly Creator/KharyPayton as Cyborg, having reprised the role in several other media after this series and seems to have become the de facto voice.
* CaptainObviousReveal: In "Trust", [[spoiler:it's pretty obvious
it had a Robin -- but that Madame Rouge was disguised as Hot Spot Tim Drake, and it also featured Superboy, Kid Flash II, and Wonder Girl II on top of that). It's so ingrained in the end, due to how "he" conveniently appeared ''without'' having his powers activated.]]
* ComedyGhetto: This series was, in its day, dismissed for having a frequent comedic tone. However, given the [[CerebusRollercoaster nature
minds of the show]], it can public that stories that ''don't'' feature close recreations of this lineup will inevitably be plenty serious if it wants to be.
criticized for it.
* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/DCAnimation [[Monster/DCUniverse here]].
* CommonKnowledge: It's commonly circulated that CreatorsPet:
** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like
the show original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was cancelled and that there only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only person who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character".
*** As a tip, in a series about costumed superheroes with codenames, whose fans presumably enjoy reading about costumed superheroes with codenames, having a character who continually goes on about how lame costumes and codenames are and how he's too cool for a costume or codename probably isn't going to go down too well.
*** It also hurt that Marv Wolfman had no idea how to write a telekinetic to complement the Titans' diverse power set. Chase's powers were mainly shown to be (at best) extremely limited: at best he could levitate himself (but only while sitting Indian-style) and throw small objects around at bad guys to annoy them. Jean Grey he wasn't; this combined with his wussy behavior during combat, made him practically useless in battle. As bad as Cypher was power-wise,
at least on more season (usually, he had training in hand-to-hand combat and was willing to take a bullet for his teammates when necessary.
*** Ironically, he also happens to be [[Creator/LewisLovhaug Lewis "Linkara" Lovhaug's]] favorite superhero, and was name-dropped as one of
the "evidence" is major reasons he cares so much about characters getting killed off in comics in his ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'' review of ''ComicBook/HeroesInCrisis''.
** Deathstroke was also Wolfman's Creator's Pet for most of his run. When George Perez left ''The New Teen Titans'', Wolfman had free reign over Deathstroke's character, and it seemed
that Starfire he had no objectivity where he was concerned. In a very jarring, sudden turn of events, Deathstroke became a KarmaHoudini for his actions, his [[CharacterizationMarchesOn earlier characterization forgotten]] and now established as an AntiVillain who bore the Titans no ill will[[note]](When Perez was still on the title, Deathstroke blamed the Titans for his son's death and took very clear, visible pleasure in setting them up to be betrayed and murdered)[[/note]] turned AntiHero, being EasilyForgiven and becoming a father-figure and ''friend'' of the Titans, including his biggest victims Nightwing, Changeling, and his own son Jericho who was rendered mute because of him. Wolfman has also stated repeatedly that he never received her own season arc or that Terra's fate at the end saw Deathstroke as a villain, but as a victim of Season 5 was leading into circumstance stuck in a future subplot), though it's not as simple as that; Season 5 was a PostScriptSeason (meaning it was never planned from the beginning) as the show was supposed to end bad situation, whose actions (including [[UnfortunateImplications sleeping with Season 4. Season 6 ''also'' would've been a post-script season, and supposedly only made it as far as a failed pitch. The only thing close to this is that Season 5's episode count was reduced from 20 to 13.teenage girl]]) weren't truly his fault.
* CrackPairing: In-universe, we ** Wolfman made extensive use of The Wildebeest, giving him had no less than three personal arcs, but the Wildebeest's design was an absolute favorite of editor Jordan Peterson's, who wanted Wildebeest to figure both into the tenth anniversary event that became Titans Hunt and even have a Wildebeest character join the OfficialCouple of Kid Flash/Jinx. While both characters are adapted from the comics, their ship isn't, and it's extremely unlikely to ever happen there, whether the Kid Flash is Wally or Bart.
* CreepyAwesome: Raven and Slade. Raven gets less creepy as the show goes on, while Slade gets ''more'' creepy as the show goes on.
* CriticalDissonance: Season 5
heroes.
** The second ComicBook/WonderGirl, Cassie Sandsmark,
was one of the most, if not ''the'' most, well-received season among critics and fans of the comics, who felt its tighter continuity, introduction of new characters such as Kid Flash, and more serious tone made it just as good, if not better, than the previous season. Among fans of the show, it's the most polarizing season for some of the same reasons.
* CrossoverShip:
** It's not uncommon
to find be this after she became team leader in ''Teen Titans'' crossover pairings, especially ones with Raven. Some volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the most popular ''Teen Titans'' crossovers are Terra×WesternAnimation/Ben10, Raven×Franchise/SpiderMan, Starfire×Franchise/SpiderMan, Raven×WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom, Raven×[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Zuko]], Raven×WesternAnimation/Ben10, writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and [[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}} Megara]]×Speedy.
*** The Ben 10 and Raven ones are especially strange
more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a {{Jerkass}} to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when you consider that Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the original, young Ben was also voiced by Tara Strong, the voice of Raven, team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the teen Ben from ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'', ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' older and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' more experienced Gar was voiced demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.
* CryForTheDevil: Persuader, when she's finally reunited with her father and he's killed
by Yuri Lowenthal.
*** Considering
Clock King right in front of her.
* DesignatedVillain: Steve Dayton in
the RelationshipWritingFumble opening of ''Burning Rage'' #4, for having closed his ''privately-owned'' theme park to allow the main characters (his son Garfield Logan and friends) free use of it for Gar's birthday... and for shutting everybody else out. Now, while the guy could've handled how he closed the park better -- it's ambiguous whether his refund of the already paid-for tickets was decided on the latter series, Terra and Ben 10 is also kinda weird, since Gwen in ''Ben 10: Alien Force'' spot or automatic -- it was voiced by Ashley Johnson, who voiced Terra.
*** Beast Boy is also getting shipped in
[[DisproportionateRetribution entirely out of line]] for [[DesignatedHero Starfire]] to knock the Fanfiction.net archives, especially in harem fics.
** Raven×Manga/{{Naruto}} pairings are pretty common.
** Though
front gates down to let the crowds storm in, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality because she doesn't like 'bullies']]. Forget Steve Dayton "[[DissonantSerenity not as common as appreciating]]" Starfire's actions, Starfire's lucky [[HeroInsurance he didn't slap her with Raven, Starfire has also been paired with Danny Phantom.
** Raven and Starfire were both been paired with Spider-Man.
* DelusionConclusion: There's
a fan theory which suggests that the events of the show really happened, but ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is [[TakeThat all in Beast Boy's mind]].lawsuit]].



** Terra is not hated for her betrayal as much as she is hated for getting in between [[FanPreferredCouple Beast Boy and Raven]], even though WordOfGod states there was nothing there but a close friendship between the latter pair.
** Also, Robin/Raven fans towards Starfire.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Terra can be both this '''and''' RonTheDeathEater due to her [[AntiVillain fluctuations between good and evil.]]

to:

** Terra is not hated for her betrayal as much as she is hated for getting in between [[FanPreferredCouple Beast Boy and Raven]], even though WordOfGod states (Changeling)/Raven vs. Beast Boy/Terra (or Terra II). Fans of the former hated there was nothing there but being a close friendship second Terra so much that they actively wished death on the character (they got their wish). Fans of the latter still clung to the hope that Raven would be deep-sixed for even the third Terra, citing that she would make "more sense", getting them hate from [[LesYay Terra III/Power Girl]] fans. After both later Terras were written out of continuity, the shipping competition has since been reset to being between the latter pair.
** Also, Robin/Raven fans towards Starfire.
* DracoInLeatherPants:
first Terra can be and Raven.
** A great deal of self-shippers with Jinx wish to see Kid Flash die.
** Barbara Gordon for the Dick Grayson/Starfire shippers. Within ''Titans'' comics, Starfire is portrayed as his one true love... just as Barbara is over in the ''Batman'' comics. And from the 90s onwards, Dick was branded and written as ''much'' more of a Batman character [[note]]his solo series regularly crossed over with the other Bat-books and he would eventually take on the role of Batman, appearing in ''several'' Batman ongoings[[/note]]. To say that pairing's shippers are not happy is putting it mildly.
* DorkAge:
** TheNineties hit the Titans like a truck, and then backed up to rub it in. The franchise was swollen with difficulties until about 1998, when it finally decided to start RevisitingTheRoots and sprouted off
both The Titans and ''ComicBook/YoungJustice''.
*** Between the [[KudzuPlot immense tangle of plot threads]] that [[PlotTumor erupted from the infamous "Titans Hunt" storyline]] and [[FourLinesAllWaiting clogged up the last six years of Wolfman's seminal run]], the [[WereStillRelevantDammit cringe-worthy attempts at being cool]], the [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece quickly outdated fashions]] and [[NinetiesAntiHero obnoxiously cynical attitudes]], and the editorial wrangling and {{Shocking Swerve}}s that yanked core characters in and out of the lineup, the inevitable GainaxEnding of the Wolfman run was something of a mercy killing.
*** The new [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom-led]] team of [[AlienEpisode H'sann Natall hybrid teenagers]] (from ''Teen Titans Vol. 2'', succeeding Wolfman's ''New Titans'') was very unpopular for [[SomethingCompletelyDifferent having essentially nothing to do]] with [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot old Titans characters or lore]] with only some old fringe elements (the Psions, Loren Jupiter, Omen) to tie it in.
** Many fans believe Geoff Johns helped derail the team into a longer-lasting era of poor quality, if not being the main cause. Opinions over
this '''and''' RonTheDeathEater due to her [[AntiVillain fluctuations between good vary a lot more, and evil.]]whether the Dork Age began in Johns' own run or not, but Felicia Henderson's part of Volume 3 is seldom ever liked.
** None have been yet so reviled as Deathstroke's team of mercenaries, under Eric Wallace and Fabrizio Fiorentino. Compared to the levels of {{Wangst}} and {{Gorn}} any previous book may have had, Wallace somehow managed to turn it UpToEleven.
** The New 52 Teen Titans are this ''in spades'', to the point of being mocked ''in-universe'' by other creators. The first series was cancelled two and half years into its run, incidentally also driving the final nail into DC's Young Justice line, which at one point included teen heroes from three different comic universes. Unlikable characters, a lack of consistent pacing and logic, excessive fight scenes, ExecutiveMeddling, enough dropped subplots and characters to drive even die-hard fans away, drastic changes to once popular characters that turned them toxic, and just weird creative choices (such as incorporating elements of Grant Morrison's ''ComicBook/DoomPatrol'' for some reason, but only on a superficial level) has this era branded as one of the worst in Titans history. It was relaunched with a new creative team, but this series didn't fair much better, for the same reasons as the first, and limped along until ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', when a new ''Teen Titans'' series was launched. Said series implicitly references the New 52 Teen Titans and jabs at how much they sucked.
** The New 52 era was also a big Dork Age for the original Teen Titans. The only characters who initially existed were Nightwing and Arsenal, and Arsenal had his own problems, and it was explicitly said that this team did not exist as the Teen Titans. Garth would later be introduced as an infant, meaning he wouldn't be in any shape to be Aqualad or Tempest... before being reintroduced ''again'' as a racist Atlantean. Donna Troy was reintroduced as a man-hating version of Wonder Woman who was ''killed''. And Wally West was reintroduced years down the line as a {{Race Lift}}ed 13-year-old delinquent with essentially none of the traits of the original Wally and loads of UnfortunateImplications surrounding his character. Needless to say, none of these changes were popular, and the original generation of Titans got the shaft big time. Dan Abnett would later Retcon the hell out of the team, saying that there ''was'' an original Teen Titans, and removing the negatively received traits of Garth and Donna, while ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' would bring back the Pre-New 52 Wally West.
** The Ben Percy run on ''Rebirth''-era ''Teen Titans'' is also frequently considered this, which started with Damian ''kidnapping'' his teammates and demanding they join him, the Titans inexplicably tolerating his lousy attitude and treatment, a painfully flanderized version of Beast Boy, and Raven and [=NuWally=] being StrangledByTheRedString.
* DracoInLeatherPants:
** Deathstroke and the original Terra mostly share this reception.
** The '80s villain Eric Forrester has also gotten this treatment from a few fans and fanworks, despite the fact that he only wanted the power of Raven's soul-self and didn't really love her, as well as attempting to rape her. His supporters use the in-story reasoning that Eric was trying to save his humanity with his using of women for their souls, while turning him into a misunderstood nice guy that should date Raven.



* EndingAversion: The last episode, "Things Change", is generally seen as a disappointing finale. This is because half of it is spent on {{Padding}} as four of the Titans fight a [[DiabolusExNihilo random shape-shifting monster]], while the main plot involving Beast Boy investigating Terra's rebirth raises several questions only to ultimately leave all of them unanswered.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Quite a lot, despite their limited appearances:
** Blackfire has a pretty sizable fanbase, most likely due to her voice, her figure and her outfit.
** Kid Flash only showed up twice, but he's ''very'' well-liked by the fans. Being a suave, witty gentleman might have something to do with it.
** Red X is especially impressive. He's a character original to the animated series, and he only appears in two episodes, in only one of which is he a headlining villain. We never learn anything of his background; not even his ''real face'', but the fandom fell in love with him precisely for those reasons. It also helps that he's a suave GentlemanThief. His enduring popularity is likely why he was eventually [[CanonImmigrant integrated]] into the main comics during the ''ComicBook/DCFutureState'' event.
** [[DarkActionGirl Jinx]] is incredibly popular, particularly in Lightspeed, so her HeelFaceTurn was met with open arms.
** Argent. She only appears for a brief amount of time but has a lot of fans.
** Mumbo was said to be a one-off character created for the show, but a positive fan reaction influenced further appearance. Being voiced by Tom Kenny probably helped.
** It's safe to say Teen Titans' Killer Moth is greatly preferred over the [[MemeticLoser comic's version]], due to being [[AdaptationalBadass far more badass and cool]].
** Despite being an original character for the show and having no lines, Kyd Wykkyd has amassed a group of fans for his stoic and mysterious demeanor. It's to the point where he's only surpassed by Jinx as the most popular H.I.V.E. member.
** Mas y Menos, Sí ¡Podemos! Despite being [[CanonForeigner original characters]] created only for the show and used mostly as comic relief, they were popular enough to end up [[CanonImmigrant in the comics.]]
** An interesting example is Beast Boy's [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Man-Beast form]], which is incredibly popular, especially in fanfiction circles, despite its debut episode, ''The Beast Within,'' being regarded as one of the most poorly written episodes of the show.
* EpilepticTrees:
** The identity of Red X. The most popular theory of his identity is Jason Todd. Relating to this theory, this means that Jason was actually Dick's predecessor in this continuity instead of his successor like in the comics.
** Some people theorize that this series is a prequel to the ''DC Animated Universe'' for a few reasons:
*** Robin looks to be about 16, while he was in college by the time ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries.'' It's also possible that by then, he and Starfire [[spoiler: might have broken up]]. He also still has a positive relationship with Batman.
*** Kid Flash is voiced by Michael Rosenbaum, who voiced the Flash in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague.'' Later on, it is revealed that the Flash was [[spoiler: Wally West, who previously took the mantle of Kid Flash before succeeding Barry Allen]].
*** Speedy makes a cameo in ''Justice League Unlimited'' with Mike Erwin reprising his role.
*** An episode of ''WesternAnimation/StaticShock'' mentions that the Titans exist in the DCAU.
*** Deathstroke never appeared in any DCAU show, despite being one of DC's most well-known villains.
* EvilIsCool:
** Slade. He's a detestable person, but so ''awesome'' at being bad that it gets him a big fanbase.
** There's also Red-X, although he's more of an AntiHero.
** This series actually managed to turn Killer Moth into a badass EvilGenius. He creates an army of moths that nearly has him ruling the world, and fights the Teen Titans without the need of any effort. Even his costume is cool.
* EvilIsSexy:
** Jinx, Rouge, and Blackfire. Additionally, some found [[SixthRangerTraitor Terra]]'s outfit to be sexy when she turned evil. Even ''Slade'' has a reasonably large fangirl following, too! In his case, it's thanks to [[Creator/RonPerlman his voice]].
** Fangirls can also say for Red-X, even though his face was never shown.
* FanonDiscontinuity:
** Some fans choose to ignore [[PostScriptSeason Season 5]], either entirely or up until the Ambiguous BittersweetEnding.
** The episode "Deep Six" gets this due to some fans viewing the Titans (Raven and Starfire, in particular) as acting out of character.
** Some fans would rather ignore "The Beast Within" due to the Titans' mean-spirited JerkassBall and the IdiotPlot.
* FanPreferredCouple: The three biggest pairings in the fandom in approximate order of popularity are [[OfficialCouple Robin/Starfire]], [[OppositesAttract Beast Boy/Raven]], and [[BirdsOfAFeather Robin/Raven]]. They have had varying degrees of staying power in the fandom over the years, but the latter two have both been recognized as fan-favorite {{Fanon}} pairings and have influenced other DC properties (including the quasi-spinoff ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' and the completely separate [[WesternAnimation/DCAnimatedMovieUniverse animated movie universe]]).
* FandomSpecificPlot:
** There are many fanfics where Terra being a local school girl in one episode is explained -- usually, it's because she got amnesia, which is [[DeathOfTheAuthor odd]] since the show was almost explicit that Terra was choosing to forget.
** Likewise, it was also common to see FixFics where Beast Boy and Terra end up getting their happily ever after.
** Nightstar, Robin/Nightwing and Starfire's daughter from ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', is quite popular and is the subject of many a NextGenFic, even though a large fraction of fans (given much of the show's fanbase is younger people who don't follow the comics) seem to have never read the source material or just [[JustHereForGodzilla skimmed it]] for Nightstar and Robin/Starfire content. Similarly, there's the newer Jake Grayson, their son from ''ComicBook/NightwingTheNewOrder'', who is also lumped in with the family.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** Robin to Mother Mae-Eye: "You are ''not'' my mother."[[labelnote:*]]His mother is dead. Doesn't matter which Robin; his mother is dead.[[/labelnote]]
*** And all of Raven's scenes in that episode. This is the only time she has ever had ''any'' parental figure who mothers her at all.
** Also, the use of Dr. Light in the series, if you know [[MoralEventHorizon the things he did]] [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis elsewhere...]] Also counts as a ContinuityNod Because [[spoiler:in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' they partially damaged his brain in the process of the mind wipe, making him even weaker than he originally was]].
*** Later, Dr. Light appears, and Raven {{Mind Rape}}s him.
-->'''Raven:''' Remember me?\\
'''Dr. Light:''' ''[appears terrified]'' I'd like to go to jail now, please.
** On the other hand, this may be FridgeHorror, because he may be having subconscious flashbacks to the first time he was {{Mind Rape}}d. And he remembers the fear and the damage to his mind, but he doesn't know what's going on.
** But then again, Raven threatening to MindRape him in "Birthmark", and the show playing it for laughs, becomes this again in light of Slade Mind Raping ''her'' at the end of the episode.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: The show is often credited for Starfire's whitewashed portrayal in subsequent media. Prior to the show, despite being an alien, Starfire was drawn with AmbiguouslyBrown features (most notably, her curly hair), giving [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything another]] [[{{Subtext}} layer]] to her DarkAndTroubledPast of being captured and enslaved (which included implied sex slavery). However, the show would then portray Starfire as an [[{{Mukokuseki}} orange anime girl with straight hair]] while also making her outfit and backstory TamerAndChaster. Since then, many of Starfire's portrayals have been closer to the cartoon [[AudienceColoringAdaptation due to its impact on pop culture]].

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* EndingAversion: The last episode, "Things Change", is generally seen as a disappointing finale. This is because half EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Beast Boy, Kid Devil, Miss Martian and Ravager, especially in the 2000s books.
* FanNickname: [[Manga/{{Berserk}} Femto]] for New 52 Raven.
* FandomRivalry: With the ''Batman'' fandom over Nightwing. A big part
of it comes from the shipping wars regarding whether Dick should be with Starfire or Barbara Gordon, but beyond that, it's the idea of what kind of character Dick should be and what the Titans mean for his character. Some like the idea of Dick finally separating himself from Batman to become his own hero with the Titans, being the kind of hero Batman isn't in the wider DCU. Others like the idea of Dick finding himself with the Titans, then returning to the Batfamily and being recognised as Bruce's greatest ally and true heir.
* FanonDiscontinuity: While there are numerous examples, one that stands out in particular
is spent on {{Padding}} the case regarding ''Titans'' #23 by Eddie Berganza, which acted as four the final issue before Eric Wallace took over. Primarily a filler issue, it basically rewrote the Fab Five's friendship as a case of Roy being a nuisance they barely put up, while also revealing he had asked Donna to marry him. However, a premonition from Lilith Clay warning Donna that her redheaded husband would die led to Donna turning him down. Also, the Titans apparently knew beforehand about Roy's heroin addiction and once found him strung out in his Speedy costume before Robin told him "get help or get out." This issue blatantly ignored everything about the Fab Five when they were younger and it was clear Eddie Berganza had no idea what he was doing, or most likely it's a case of they needed to fill the gap before the new direction. Nearly every fan of the Titans fight a [[DiabolusExNihilo random shape-shifting monster]], while the main plot involving Beast Boy investigating Terra's rebirth raises several questions only to ultimately leave all of them unanswered.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Quite a lot, despite their limited appearances:
** Blackfire has a pretty sizable fanbase, most likely due to her voice, her figure
and her outfit.
** Kid Flash only showed up twice, but he's ''very'' well-liked by the fans. Being a suave, witty gentleman might have something to do with it.
** Red X is especially impressive. He's a character original to the animated series, and he only appears in two episodes, in only one of which is he a headlining villain. We never learn anything of his background; not even his ''real face'', but the fandom fell in love with him precisely for those reasons. It also helps that he's a suave GentlemanThief. His enduring popularity is likely why he was eventually [[CanonImmigrant integrated]] into the main comics during the ''ComicBook/DCFutureState'' event.
** [[DarkActionGirl Jinx]] is incredibly popular, particularly in Lightspeed, so her HeelFaceTurn was met with open arms.
** Argent. She only appears for a brief amount of time but has a lot of fans.
** Mumbo was said to be a one-off character created for the show, but a positive fan reaction influenced further appearance. Being voiced by Tom Kenny probably helped.
** It's safe to say Teen Titans' Killer Moth is greatly preferred over the [[MemeticLoser comic's version]], due to being [[AdaptationalBadass far more badass and cool]].
** Despite being an original character for the show and having no lines, Kyd Wykkyd has amassed a group of fans for his stoic and mysterious demeanor. It's to the point where he's only surpassed by Jinx as the most popular H.I.V.E. member.
** Mas y Menos, Sí ¡Podemos! Despite being [[CanonForeigner original characters]] created only for the show and used mostly as comic relief, they were popular enough to end up [[CanonImmigrant in the comics.]]
** An interesting example is Beast Boy's [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Man-Beast form]], which is incredibly popular, especially in fanfiction circles, despite its debut episode, ''The Beast Within,'' being regarded as one
of the most poorly written episodes of the show.
* EpilepticTrees:
** The identity of Red X. The most popular theory of his identity is Jason Todd. Relating to this theory, this means that Jason was actually Dick's predecessor in this continuity instead of his successor like in the comics.
** Some people theorize that this series is a prequel to the ''DC Animated Universe'' for a few reasons:
*** Robin looks to be about 16, while he was in college by the time ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries.'' It's also possible that by then, he and Starfire [[spoiler: might have broken up]]. He also still has a positive relationship with Batman.
*** Kid Flash is voiced by Michael Rosenbaum, who voiced the Flash in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague.'' Later on, it is revealed that the Flash was [[spoiler: Wally West, who previously took the mantle of Kid Flash before succeeding Barry Allen]].
*** Speedy makes a cameo in ''Justice League Unlimited'' with Mike Erwin reprising his role.
*** An episode of ''WesternAnimation/StaticShock'' mentions that the Titans exist in the DCAU.
*** Deathstroke never appeared in any DCAU show, despite being one of DC's most well-known villains.
* EvilIsCool:
** Slade. He's a detestable person, but so ''awesome'' at being bad that it gets him a big fanbase.
** There's also Red-X, although he's more of an AntiHero.
** This series actually managed to turn Killer Moth into a badass EvilGenius. He creates an army of moths that nearly has him ruling the world, and fights the Teen Titans without the need of any effort. Even his costume is cool.
* EvilIsSexy:
** Jinx, Rouge, and Blackfire. Additionally, some found [[SixthRangerTraitor Terra]]'s outfit to be sexy when she turned evil. Even ''Slade'' has a reasonably large fangirl following, too! In his case, it's thanks to [[Creator/RonPerlman his voice]].
** Fangirls can also say for Red-X, even though his face was never shown.
* FanonDiscontinuity:
** Some fans
Fab Five choose to ignore [[PostScriptSeason Season 5]], either entirely or up until the Ambiguous BittersweetEnding.
** The episode "Deep Six" gets
pretend this due to some fans viewing the Titans (Raven and Starfire, in particular) as acting out of character.
** Some fans would rather ignore "The Beast Within" due to the Titans' mean-spirited JerkassBall and the IdiotPlot.
* FanPreferredCouple: The three biggest pairings in the fandom in approximate order of popularity are [[OfficialCouple Robin/Starfire]], [[OppositesAttract Beast Boy/Raven]], and [[BirdsOfAFeather Robin/Raven]]. They have had varying degrees of staying power in the fandom over the years, but the latter two have both been recognized as fan-favorite {{Fanon}} pairings and have influenced other DC properties (including the quasi-spinoff ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' and the completely separate [[WesternAnimation/DCAnimatedMovieUniverse animated movie universe]]).
* FandomSpecificPlot:
** There are many fanfics where Terra being a local school girl in one episode is explained -- usually, it's because she got amnesia, which is [[DeathOfTheAuthor odd]] since the show was almost explicit that Terra was choosing to forget.
** Likewise, it was also common to see FixFics where Beast Boy and Terra end up getting their happily ever after.
** Nightstar, Robin/Nightwing and Starfire's daughter from ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', is quite popular and is the subject of many a NextGenFic, even though a large fraction of fans (given much of the show's fanbase is younger people who don't follow the comics) seem to have
story never read the source material or happened. It was just [[JustHereForGodzilla skimmed it]] for Nightstar and Robin/Starfire content. Similarly, there's the newer Jake Grayson, their son from ''ComicBook/NightwingTheNewOrder'', who is also lumped in that bad.
* FoeYay: Cheshire
with the family.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** Robin to Mother Mae-Eye: "You are ''not'' my mother."[[labelnote:*]]His mother is dead. Doesn't matter which Robin; his mother is dead.[[/labelnote]]
*** And all of Raven's scenes in that episode. This is the only time she has ever had ''any'' parental figure who mothers her at all.
** Also, the use of Dr. Light in the series, if you know [[MoralEventHorizon the things he did]] [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis elsewhere...]] Also counts as a ContinuityNod Because [[spoiler:in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' they partially damaged his brain in the process of the mind wipe, making him even weaker than he originally was]].
*** Later, Dr. Light appears, and Raven {{Mind Rape}}s him.
-->'''Raven:''' Remember me?\\
'''Dr. Light:''' ''[appears terrified]'' I'd like to go to jail now, please.
** On the other hand, this may be FridgeHorror, because he may be having subconscious flashbacks to
both Roy Harper, the first time he was {{Mind Rape}}d. And he remembers the fear Speedy, and the damage to his mind, but he doesn't know what's going on.
** But then again, Raven threatening to MindRape him in "Birthmark", and the show playing it for laughs, becomes this again in light of Slade Mind Raping ''her'' at the end of the episode.
Thomas Blake, aka Catman. She once propositioned Catman during a battle, not long after having hired two hit squads after him.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: The show A recurring lament of the fanbase is often credited for Starfire's whitewashed portrayal in subsequent media. Prior the franchise perennially de-aging the Titans regulars to keep them attached to the show, title, but this goes back at least as far as ''The New Teen Titans'', which knocked the Changeling down a few years to become the junior member of the team, despite being an alien, Starfire was drawn with AmbiguouslyBrown features (most notably, her curly hair), giving [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything another]] [[{{Subtext}} layer]] to her DarkAndTroubledPast of being captured this series taking place "a few years" after his Titans appearances in the 60s and enslaved (which included implied sex slavery). However, the show would then portray Starfire as an [[{{Mukokuseki}} orange anime girl with straight hair]] while also making her outfit and backstory TamerAndChaster. Since then, many of Starfire's portrayals have been closer 70s, where he's indicated to the cartoon [[AudienceColoringAdaptation due to its impact on pop culture]].be their peer.



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* GeniusBonus:
** In "Haunted", when Raven goes through Robin's memories, the very last one is [[spoiler: a circus, with two shadows on the wall falling downwards]]. Should give you a hint as to which Robin he is.
** Also when 'Larry' shows up he gives his real name. It's backward but when the marquee wraps around behind him we see it front ways.
** A non-comic example: the probes that Slade uses to torture the Titans target their red blood cells and ''puncture'' them. Anyone who knows about blood diseases like hemolysis and malaria will realize just how dangerous and ''painful'' it was for them. Because their blood cells were being deprived of oxygen (and ruptured), the Titans were suffering from multiple organ failure. A slow, painful death.
* GrowingTheBeard: Towards the end of the first season, with the episode "Masks".
** "Nevermore" departed from the standard superhero/supervillain conflicts of superhero shows by focusing on the dynamics between three characters trying to find common ground, even though their personalities were in conflict. This would be a running theme throughout the series, producing fan favorite episodes such as "Fear Itself" and "How Long is Forever?" with a contrast expressed in the origins episode "Go", showing how far the team's relationship has evolved from their initial meetings.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** In "Troq", Cyborg said he knew what it was like to experience prejudice, since he was a robot. Some fans said this was a cop out when he's also black. But when we see "Go!", the origin episode, he clearly expects to be hated just because he's a cyborg freak, usually hides his identity as one, and is surprised when Beast Boy actually thinks he's cool. And when you consider that most of the robots we see actually ''are'' evil, and that him being viewed as a freak for being a cyborg was a theme in the comics, it actually makes sense.
*** Anna Diop, the actress who plays Starfire in ''Series/Titans2018'', found herself a victim of very real racism and slurs for being a black woman playing a character who traditionally has orange skin.
** In ''How Long is Forever?'' Cyborg says that Starfire's friends "Aren't friends anymore," and the villain of the episode, Warp, says that history cannot be changed, so Starfire's friends would still drift apart. Fast forward to WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo, and the [[WithFriendsLikeThese way the Titans act]] can give off the feeling that they aren't friends in the slightest.
*** And also applied to the bleak future for the Titans of the episode predicting the tragic fates of many Titans in comics with [[spoiler:Garth's death in ComicBook/BlackestNight, the transformation of Roy Harper into [[FaceHeelTurn Arsenal]] after the loss of his arm and his daughter in [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice Cry For Justice]], and the break up between Starfire and Robin.]] Not to mention both its contemporary run during and after the premiere of the show being either BrokenBase or SeasonalRot.
* HeartwarmingInHindsight:
** In "Sisters," Starfire asks if the fireworks at the fair mean that the Gordanians are invading Earth. Robin reassures her that it isn't. [[spoiler:They met when Starfire was escaping a Gordanian prison ship as a "prize" for her captors, and the original five teens teamed up for the first time to fight for her freedom and become a team]].
** The climax of "Nevermore" is Beast Boy and Cyborg fighting the Trigon/Angry Raven in Raven's head to give her a chance to unite all her emotions and defeat her angry doppelganger. [[spoiler:In the season four finale, Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy HoldTheLine and distract the real Trigon so that Robin can find Raven and save her.]]
** Raven is utterly terrified when Slade returns in season four [[spoiler:and he implies that her friends will be terrified of her, only for them to rally around her when they learn of the prophecy. Then they insist she hide out in a safe room they made for her while they HoldTheLine against Slade]].

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[[folder:G [[folder:H - H]]
* GeniusBonus:
** In "Haunted", when Raven goes through Robin's memories, the very last one is [[spoiler: a circus, with two shadows on the wall falling downwards]]. Should give you a hint as to which Robin he is.
** Also when 'Larry' shows up he gives his real name. It's backward but when the marquee wraps around behind him we see it front ways.
** A non-comic example: the probes that Slade uses to torture the Titans target their red blood cells and ''puncture'' them. Anyone who knows about blood diseases like hemolysis and malaria will realize just how dangerous and ''painful'' it was for them. Because their blood cells were being deprived of oxygen (and ruptured), the Titans were suffering from multiple organ failure. A slow, painful death.
* GrowingTheBeard: Towards the end of the first season, with the episode "Masks".
** "Nevermore" departed from the standard superhero/supervillain conflicts of superhero shows by focusing on the dynamics between three characters trying to find common ground, even though their personalities were in conflict. This would be a running theme throughout the series, producing fan favorite episodes such as "Fear Itself" and "How Long is Forever?" with a contrast expressed in the origins episode "Go", showing how far the team's relationship has evolved from their initial meetings.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** In "Troq", Cyborg said he knew what it was like to experience prejudice, since he was a robot. Some fans said this was a cop out when he's also black. But when we see "Go!", the origin episode, he clearly expects to be hated just because he's a cyborg freak, usually hides his identity as one, and is surprised when Beast Boy actually thinks he's cool. And when you consider that most of the robots we see actually ''are'' evil, and that him being viewed as a freak for being a cyborg was a theme in the comics, it actually makes sense.
*** Anna Diop, the actress who plays Starfire in ''Series/Titans2018'', found herself a victim of very real racism and slurs for being a black woman playing a character who traditionally has orange skin.
** In ''How Long is Forever?'' Cyborg says that Starfire's friends "Aren't friends anymore," and the villain of the episode, Warp, says that history cannot be changed, so Starfire's friends would still drift apart. Fast forward to WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo, and the [[WithFriendsLikeThese way the Titans act]] can give off the feeling that they aren't friends in the slightest.
*** And also applied to the bleak future for the Titans of the episode predicting the tragic fates of many Titans in comics with [[spoiler:Garth's death in ComicBook/BlackestNight, the transformation of Roy Harper into [[FaceHeelTurn Arsenal]] after the loss of his arm and his daughter in [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice Cry For Justice]], and the break up between Starfire and Robin.]] Not to mention both its contemporary run during and after the premiere of the show being either BrokenBase or SeasonalRot.
* HeartwarmingInHindsight:
** In "Sisters," Starfire asks if the fireworks at the fair mean that the Gordanians are invading Earth. Robin reassures her that it isn't. [[spoiler:They met when Starfire was escaping a Gordanian prison ship as a "prize" for her captors, and the original five teens teamed up for the first time to fight for her freedom and become a team]].
** The climax of "Nevermore" is Beast Boy and Cyborg fighting the Trigon/Angry Raven in Raven's head to give her a chance to unite all her emotions and defeat her angry doppelganger. [[spoiler:In the season four finale, Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy HoldTheLine and distract the real Trigon so that Robin can find Raven and save her.]]
** Raven is utterly terrified when Slade returns in season four [[spoiler:and he implies that her friends will be terrified of her, only for them to rally around her when they learn of the prophecy. Then they insist she hide out in a safe room they made for her while they HoldTheLine against Slade]].
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** EpilepticTrees identifying Red X's SecretIdentity as Jason Todd, in light of the appearance of Jason coming BackFromTheDead in the comics and in the WesternAnimation/DCUniverseAnimatedOriginalMovies as the Red Hood. Also, in connection to that theory, Red X briefly flirted with Starfire. Now, with ''ComicBook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'', she and Jason are working together.
** Cyborg and Robin's conflict over leadership of the Titans in the end of Season 3 becomes this when, in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', Aqualad (also voiced by Khary Payton) becomes the leader of the team instead of Robin. For a while, anyway.
** In "Deception", Beast Boy sarcastically asks about dressing Cyborg like a washing machine for an undercover mission. Guess what Cyborg's stealth mode in ''[[VideoGame/LegoBatman Lego Batman 3: Beyond Gotham]]'' was?
** In "The Beast Within", Beast Boy suggests he might take on the name Beast Man only to be promptly shot down by Raven. In the New 52, a future incarnation of Beast Boy is actually known as Beast Man.
** In "Forces of Nature", Beast Boy plans to prank Cyborg in retaliation for "put red dye in my shampoo". In the New 52, Beast Boy was changed from being green to red for a time.
** In an early episode of Season One, Beast Boy and Cyborg win Raven a giant stuffed chicken, which she snarks about and later abandons at the first sign of trouble. In Season Five, it turns out she's allergic to the bird.
** The Season 4 finale has Raven be turned into a young child. Her actress in the upcoming live-action ''Series/Titans2018'' is the youngest of the main cast.
** At one point in "Crash" while Robin, Starfire, and Raven are talking, a virus-ridden Cyborg can be heard in the background [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo repeatedly chanting "waffles".]]
* HypeBacklash: The constant praise for the show by its fans has created unreasonable expectations that newcomers feel it can't live up to. The vitriolic disdain those same fans have for ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' only serves to further the idea that the show is viewed through NostalgiaGoggles.

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** EpilepticTrees identifying Red X's SecretIdentity as Jason Todd, in light Thia, the evil [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Titan]] of the appearance of Jason coming BackFromTheDead sun, redesigned herself as a powerful businesswoman, as seen in ''ComicBook/TheOriginOfLilith''. She had a firm named "Sun publishing Inc.". This firm has absolutely no relation with the comics [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Publishing_Company Sun Publishing Company]], and in the WesternAnimation/DCUniverseAnimatedOriginalMovies as the Red Hood. Also, in connection to nobody implies that theory, Red X briefly flirted with Starfire. Now, with ''ComicBook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'', she and Jason are working together.
this later company is led by an evil witch that sets people on fire at a whim.
** Cyborg and Robin's conflict over leadership of In ''Titans: Sell-Out Special'', the Titans in the end of Season 3 becomes this when, in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', Aqualad (also voiced by Khary Payton) becomes the leader of the team instead of Robin. For a while, anyway.
** In "Deception", Beast Boy sarcastically asks
realise that someone has done an animated TV show about dressing Cyborg like a washing machine for an undercover mission. Guess what Cyborg's stealth mode in ''[[VideoGame/LegoBatman Lego Batman 3: Beyond Gotham]]'' was?
** In "The Beast Within", Beast Boy suggests he might take on the name Beast Man only to be promptly shot down by Raven. In the New 52, a future incarnation of Beast Boy is actually known as Beast Man.
** In "Forces of Nature", Beast Boy plans to prank Cyborg in retaliation for "put red dye in my shampoo". In the New 52, Beast Boy was changed from being green to red for a time.
** In an early episode of Season One, Beast Boy and Cyborg win Raven a giant stuffed chicken, which she snarks about and later abandons at the first sign of trouble. In Season Five, it turns out she's allergic to the bird.
** The Season 4 finale has Raven be turned into a young child. Her actress in the upcoming live-action ''Series/Titans2018'' is the youngest of the main cast.
** At one point in "Crash" while Robin, Starfire, and Raven are talking, a virus-ridden Cyborg can be heard in the background
them titled ''Teeny Titans''. [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Eleven years later...]] or [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo repeatedly chanting "waffles".twenty-one years later...]]
** One of the groomsmen at Donna and Terry's wedding, named as Randolph, vaguely resembles [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark another Randolph]] who debuted nearly thirteen years after the comic was released.
* HypeBacklash: InNameOnly: The constant praise New 52 team gets accusations like this for some of its characters.
** Wonder Girl had zero connection to Wonder Woman until her father was revealed to be demigod from the Greek pantheon. She's completely unaware of this, though, so there's still no reason why she calls herself Wonder Girl beyond trademark purposes.
** Solstice received an overhaul that rendered her unrecognizable and left her with vague energy and shadow based powers. This despite being a brand new character.
** The New 52 version of Tim Drake is probably the most recent and biggest example of this for fans. For instance, his main role in the book is to be the expo speak guy who's a blatant {{Expy}} of Nightwing from the classic series, including the latter's Casanova approach towards women and winged costume. He also now has "Tim Drake" as an assumed name after being an idiot and bringing the Penguin's wrath down on his family, he didn't figure out who Batman was, has almost no down-to-earth ties anymore, and largely acts like a stupider, less sensitive parody of his former character. Instead of being a computer genius, his backstory was also tweaked to have him as a former athlete (which some believe furthers the Nightwing similarity, as Dick was an acrobat).
** And then we learn the origin of Bart Allen [[spoiler: a.k.a. "Bar Torr", a villainous and murderous revolutionary from the future with no connection to the Flash Family at all]]. To say that fans of Impulse were pissed would put it lightly.
* ItWasHisSled: Terra being TheMole, and her general [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] nature. That arc is one of the most well-remembered arcs in the comics run, one of the most influential arcs in comic book history, and it helped make the series so popular in the 80s. When a [[ComicBook/TinyTitans kids comic]] spoils this in the characters first appearance, you know that its his sled. The cartoon adaptation helped renew this spoiler, thanks to Terra's popularity (though ''that'' Terra was [[BrokenBird vastly different from]] [[PsychoForHire the original Terra]]).
* JustHereForGodzilla: The third ''Titans'' ongoing features the original Wally West, returned after not ''existing''
for the show by its fans entirety of the New 52, ''and'' he has created unreasonable expectations that newcomers feel it can't live up to. The vitriolic disdain those same fans have for ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' only serves to further memories of the idea that the show is viewed through NostalgiaGoggles.Pre-Flashpoint timeline. Needless to say, he's probably why ''Titans'' sells as well as it does.



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* IdiotPlot:
** The main conflict in ''"Car Trouble"'' could've potentially been avoided entirely if GadgeteerGenius Cyborg put more anti-theft measures into his high-tech CoolCar beyond a simple Club lock.
** Season 3's ''"Revolution"'' focused on the idea of "who's in charge of the Team when Robin is out of commission." Which itself isn't that bad of an idea if not for the fact that up until this point, Cyborg had always been treated as the unquestioned NumberTwo of the team and the others would defer to his judgement when Robin was unavailable or compromised. Naturally Cyborg, Raven, and Beast Boy all ended up holding both the IdiotBall and ConflictBall to make this episode work.
* InferredHolocaust: The opening to "Aftershock Part II" has a still-frame of Terra using her powers to conquer the city, with civilians running and screaming. The city looks like a war-zone by the time she's through, and Slade later says that Terra has done "unforgivable things". It's never stated outright, but Terra most likely killed a bunch of people at Slade's behest that day.
%% * IronWoobie: Cyborg and Red Star.
* JerkassWoobie: Raven may be snarky towards her teammates, but considering how she’s the daughter of Trigon and has spent her entire life knowing that she exists solely to bring about doom and destruction to the world, it’s hard not to feel sorry for her.
* LauncherOfAThousandShips:
** Raven is commonly seen shipped with Robin, Beast Boy, Cyborg, Red X, Starfire, Terra, Slade, or others. It's hilariously parodied in [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2364981/1/bEverybody_b_bLoves_b_bRaven_b this fanfiction]].
** Also, Robin, who is frequently shipped with Raven and Starfire, but also shipped commonly with Slade, Red X, Beast Boy, and most other guys in the series. To go a little further, he's the Launcher of a Thousand Ships for most if not all of the DC universe.
* LoveToHate: What most fans love about this version of Slade is how utterly cool he is at being evil, this being the most depraved iteration of the character ever. Here, he is completely stripped down of his NobleDemon qualities from comics, is successfully avoided the AntiClimaxBoss even when he got defeated, and after his return from the dead, he got even more depraved, to the delight of his fanbase. Basically, the more evil he gets, the more popularity he gains.
* MagnificentBastard:
** [[DarkActionGirl Madame Rouge]], from Season 5, is a [[TheDreaded dreaded member]] of the Brotherhood of Evil's inner circle. With a fearsome reputation to match her suave voice and lofty ego, Rouge is tasked by the Brain to retrieve a Titans Communicator so they can predict their every move. Impersonating the likeness of Robin to confuse and shake Hot Spot's trust in the Teen Titans, Madame Rouge masterfully plays the immediate situation to her advantage, successfully fooling both the real Robin and Hot Spot to gain a communicator. When offered Kid Flash by the Hive Five, Madame Rouge quickly overpowers the then untouchable speedster with clever use of her [[VoluntaryShapeshifting versatile shapeshifting]]. Despite her prior condescending attitude towards the High Five, Jinx standing up for herself impresses Madame Rouge. In the season's climax, Rouge, ever confident in her own abilities, goes down fighting multiple members of the Teen Titans despite being frozen like her villainous peers.
** "[[Recap/TeenTitansS3E2X X]]": [[TheRealRemingtonSteele Red X]] is a self-proclaimed [[GentlemanThief thief]] who steals Robin's selfsame suit, then tracks down a Xenothium scanner even with the Titans hot on his trail. Cornered, X uses his knowledge of his surroundings and mastery of gadgetry, taking on the team one-by-one while he makes his way to the Xenothium Ore vault to recharge his suit and uses Robin as a decoy to slip by the security drone. [[EnemyMine Teaming up with Robin]] to stop the treacherous Professor Chang, X not only saves Robin but also gracefully accepts defeat when Robin reveals he stole X's utility belt. In "[[Recap/TeenTitansS5E9RevvedUp Revved Up]]", X races against Robin and many of his enemies, demonstrating his skill on a motorbike and when saved by Robin from an explosion repays the debt by dismantling all of the villainous racers in under a minute. Stylish and roguish yet noble, Red X cements himself as a memorable character that's neither a villain nor hero--[[WildCard just as he'd like]].
** ''Teen Titans'' (2005 GBA video game): [[BigBad Brother Blood]] is more [[AdaptationalBadass cunning and dignified]] than his animated counterpart. Creating a clone army based on the Teen Titans in order to TakeOverTheWorld, Brother Blood first sends Gizmo and H.I.V.E. soldiers to attack the Titan Tower, so that Gizmo can steal the Teen Titans' DNA when they fight back to protect their home. Brother Blood then gives Gizmo, Jinx and Mammoth recording devices before sending them wreak havoc in different parts of the city, [[XanatosGambit forcing the Teen Titans to fight them and thus recording their moves in order to improve his clones]]. When the trio is beaten, Brother Blood sends them with H.I.V.E. soldiers attack the Titan Tower again, [[KansasCityShuffle giving him enough time to finish his clone army]] while the Titans defend their home. When he's nonetheless defeated by the Titans, he activates his lair's self-destruct sequence in one last attempt to kill them, never losing his smile even in defeat.
* MemeticMolester: This version of Slade is commonly seen as an {{Ephebophile}} by fans - [[DepravedBisexual for both boys and girls]]. It doesn't help that the dialogue at the climax of "Haunted" comes across as creepily sexual in nature, nor does it help the ending for "Birthmark" [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything is effectively an allegory for rape]]. Not to mention that it's implied he watched Robin change into his new costume at the end of [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TeenTitansS1E12ApprenticePartOne Apprentice - Part One]], or that Deathstroke did have a sexual relationship with the underage Terra in ComicBook/TheJudasContract.
* MemeticMutation:
** "Titans, Go!"
** "AZARATH METRION ZINTHOS!"
** "Evil beware, we have waffles."
** "Don't laugh. You have to EAT the unicycle."
** "Of course I do. I'm part robot."[[labelnote:Explanation]] As stated by Cyborg in the episode ''Troq''. During the episode, Starfire is dealing with an alien who is bigotted against her species (calling her Troq, translating to "Nothing" or "Useless"). When Cyborg learns from her that the word is a slur after he calls her it (not realizing what it means), she asks him if he's ever been mistreated because of how he looks. Infamously, he says of course he has, but because he's partially a robot, not because he's black like one might expect him to say. Possibly they went with him being a robot to avoid being too heavy in a show that generally doesn't tackle serious real world issues like racism.[[/labelnote]]
* MisaimedFandom:
** Terra falls into both types. She's ''supposed'' to be a [[AntiVillain morally gray character]], someone who [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds made horrible mistakes because of the pains of her past]], but wasn't pure evil. Instead, she has people vehemently condemning her as [[RonTheDeathEater a purely evil irredeemable psychopath]] and equally vehemently worshipping her as [[DracoInLeatherPants a blameless martyr who deserved far better than she got from the other Teen Titans]]. Ironically, the former interpretation of her being a psychopath ''was'' her character in the original comics.
** On a show to show basis, the show itself when [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo its controversial comedic successor]] is brought into discussion, with detractors of the latter complaining about the lack of continuity, characterization, drama, action, and animation style, in addition to being much more straight up comedic. What they may not realize is that these are very similar to the complaints made against ''this show'' for not existing within the DCAU proper and having a more animesque art style, taking various of liberties with a lot of characters and their depictions and having a more light-hearted and idealistic tone than the comic series it was based off of. The Terra storyline in particular was toned down in terms of both her role and fate.
* {{Moe}}:
** Starfire, hot alien babe and considering her age, is very cute! She also has a kind nature and naivety about Earth culture.
** Jericho is a male example. [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081015233921/teentitans/images/7/7a/JerichoGuitar.jpg Just look at how cute he is!]]
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Slade crossed it in "Apprentice," when he infects Robin's teammates with nanobots that would slowly and painfully kill them from the inside out unless he acts as Slade's apprentice. And if he didn't cross it before, Slade definitely did throughout season 2, where he manipulated Terra into turning on the Titans, as well as psychologically and physically abused her. That's not even mentioning him gleefully [[MindRape mind raping Raven]] as Trigon's [[TheDragon dragon]] in season 4.
** Malchior in "Spellbound" convinces Raven to break his curse using a classic sexual predator technique; preying on her despair and loneliness.
** Blackfire counts for trying to kill her ''own sister'' without remorse in "Betrothed".
* SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound:
** Terra's {{Leitmotif}} prior to her FaceHeelTurn.
** Due to Ron Perlman's voice acting, Slade's voice is memorable in both its [[SoftSpokenSadist malice]] and [[CreepyAwesome creepiness]].

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* IdiotPlot:
** The main conflict in ''"Car Trouble"'' could've potentially been avoided entirely if GadgeteerGenius Cyborg put more anti-theft measures into his high-tech CoolCar beyond a simple Club lock.
** Season 3's ''"Revolution"'' focused on the idea of "who's in charge of the Team when Robin is out of commission." Which itself isn't that bad of an idea if not for the fact that up until this point, Cyborg had always been treated as the unquestioned NumberTwo of the team and the others would defer to his judgement when Robin was unavailable or compromised. Naturally Cyborg,
LauncherOfAThousandShips: Raven, and Beast Boy all ended up holding both the IdiotBall and ConflictBall to make this episode work.
* InferredHolocaust: The opening to "Aftershock Part II"
who has a still-frame had ships of Terra using her powers to conquer the city, various quality with civilians running Wally West, Joseph Wilson, Dick Grayson, [[DepravedBisexual Koriand'r]], Garfield Logan, and screaming. The city looks like a war-zone by the time she's through, and Slade later says that Terra has done "unforgivable things". It's never stated outright, but Terra most likely killed a bunch of people at Slade's behest that day.
%% * IronWoobie: Cyborg and Red Star.
* JerkassWoobie: Raven may be snarky towards her teammates, but considering how she’s the daughter of Trigon and has spent her entire life knowing that she exists solely to bring about doom and destruction to the world, it’s hard not to feel sorry for her.
* LauncherOfAThousandShips:
** Raven is commonly seen
been shipped with Robin, Beast Boy, Cyborg, Red X, Starfire, Terra, Slade, or others. numerous other Titans besides.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Osiris' killing of the Persuader was an accident. He tried justifying the death of Ryan Choi and everyone else he's killed as trying to bring his sister and Black Adam back. But now he freely admits that he enjoys violence and is just as bad as everyone accused him of being.
** Superboy-Prime becoming full-on evil again after Headcase accidentally takes him away from Prime Earth. This nullifies any redemption he could have had in ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' and solidifies his CompleteMonster status.
* MyRealDaddy:
**
It's hilariously parodied widely agreed that Devin Grayson (and ''maybe'' Brad Meltzer) is the only writer in [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2364981/1/bEverybody_b_bLoves_b_bRaven_b this fanfiction]].
** Also, Robin,
recent years who is frequently shipped with Raven and Starfire, but also shipped commonly with Slade, Red X, Beast Boy, and most other guys in the series. To go a little further, he's the Launcher of a Thousand Ships for most if not all of the DC universe.
* LoveToHate: What most fans love about this version of Slade is how utterly cool he is at being evil, this being the most depraved iteration of the character ever. Here, he is completely stripped down of his NobleDemon qualities from comics, is successfully avoided the AntiClimaxBoss even when he got defeated, and after his return from the dead, he got even more depraved, to the delight of his fanbase. Basically, the more evil he gets, the more popularity he gains.
* MagnificentBastard:
** [[DarkActionGirl Madame Rouge]], from Season 5, is a [[TheDreaded dreaded member]] of the Brotherhood of Evil's inner circle. With a fearsome reputation to match her suave voice and lofty ego, Rouge is tasked by the Brain to retrieve a Titans Communicator so they can predict their every move. Impersonating the likeness of Robin to confuse and shake Hot Spot's trust in the Teen Titans, Madame Rouge masterfully plays the immediate situation to her advantage, successfully fooling both the real Robin and Hot Spot to gain a communicator. When offered Kid Flash by the Hive Five, Madame Rouge quickly overpowers the then untouchable speedster with clever use of her [[VoluntaryShapeshifting versatile shapeshifting]]. Despite her prior condescending attitude towards the High Five, Jinx standing up for herself impresses Madame Rouge. In the season's climax, Rouge,
ever confident in her own abilities, goes down fighting multiple members really understood not just Roy's character, but Lian's as well.
** The creative team
of the Teen Titans despite being frozen like her villainous peers.
** "[[Recap/TeenTitansS3E2X X]]": [[TheRealRemingtonSteele Red X]] is a self-proclaimed [[GentlemanThief thief]] who steals Robin's selfsame suit, then tracks down a Xenothium scanner even with
Marv Wolfman and George Perez for the Titans hot on his trail. Cornered, X uses his knowledge of his surroundings and mastery of gadgetry, taking on in general. They didn't create the team one-by-one while he makes his way but they did propel the Titans to the Xenothium Ore vault to recharge his suit and uses Robin as a decoy to slip by the security drone. [[EnemyMine Teaming up with Robin]] to stop the treacherous Professor Chang, X not only saves Robin but also gracefully accepts defeat when Robin reveals he stole X's utility belt. In "[[Recap/TeenTitansS5E9RevvedUp Revved Up]]", X races against Robin and many greatest height of his enemies, demonstrating his skill on a motorbike and when saved by Robin from an explosion repays the debt by dismantling all of the villainous racers in under a minute. Stylish and roguish yet noble, Red X cements himself as a memorable character that's neither a villain nor hero--[[WildCard just as he'd like]].
** ''Teen Titans'' (2005 GBA video game): [[BigBad Brother Blood]] is more [[AdaptationalBadass cunning and dignified]]
their popularity, which was no less than his animated counterpart. Creating a clone army based on DC's # 1 selling title. And, although they did not create the Teen Titans in order to TakeOverTheWorld, Brother Blood first sends Gizmo and team itself, they created Raven, Cyborg, Starfire, the Nightwing persona of Dick Grayson, the Troia persona of Donna Troy, Jericho, Deathstroke, H.I.V.E. soldiers to attack the Titan Tower, so that Gizmo can steal the Teen Titans' DNA when they fight back to protect their home. , Terra, Brother Blood then gives Gizmo, Jinx and Mammoth recording devices before sending them wreak havoc Blood, Trigon, Azarath, Cheshire, the "T" shaped building... can you really imagine the group ''without'' a number of those characters or concepts being around?
* {{Narm}}:
** Lian Harper's funeral. The entire superhero community shows up,
in different parts their brightly colored costumes.
** Harvest. It's hard to take a "Darkseid level threat" seriously when his plans are transparently idiotic.
** The first issue
of the city, [[XanatosGambit forcing the Teen Titans to fight them New 52 series has Tim holding a picture of him and thus recording their moves in order to improve his clones]]. When the trio is beaten, Brother Blood sends them with H.I.V.E. soldiers attack the Titan Tower again, [[KansasCityShuffle giving him enough time to finish his clone army]] while the Titans defend their home. When he's nonetheless defeated by the Titans, Bruce swinging through Gotham. It looks cool, until you question how he activates his lair's self-destruct sequence in one last attempt to kill them, never losing his smile even in defeat.
* MemeticMolester: This version of Slade is commonly seen as an {{Ephebophile}} by fans - [[DepravedBisexual
got that picture. Seriously, did they pose for both boys it? It outright ''looks'' like a comic book cover.
* NeverLiveItDown:
** Roy's heroin abuse, which was only present for one issue of Green Arrow
and girls]]. then followed by him going cold turkey. It doesn't help that the dialogue at the climax of "Haunted" comes across as creepily sexual in nature, nor does it help the ending for "Birthmark" [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything is effectively an allegory for rape]]. Not to mention that it's implied he watched Robin change into his new costume at the end of [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TeenTitansS1E12ApprenticePartOne Apprentice - Part One]], or that Deathstroke did have a sexual relationship with the underage Terra in ComicBook/TheJudasContract.
* MemeticMutation:
** "Titans, Go!"
** "AZARATH METRION ZINTHOS!"
** "Evil beware, we have waffles."
** "Don't laugh. You have to EAT the unicycle."
** "Of course I do. I'm part robot."[[labelnote:Explanation]] As stated by Cyborg in the episode ''Troq''. During the episode, Starfire is dealing with an alien who is bigotted against her species (calling her Troq, translating to "Nothing" or "Useless"). When Cyborg learns from her that the word is a slur after he calls her it (not realizing what it means), she asks him if
following Lian's death he's gone back to using it.
** While there are ''many'' reasons to snark about how bad Eric Wallace's run was, absolutely no one is
ever been mistreated because of going to forget how he looks. Infamously, he says of course he has, but because he's partially Cinder burned off a robot, not because he's black like one might expect him to say. Possibly they went man's dick with him being a robot to avoid being too heavy in a show that generally her vagina. It also doesn't tackle serious real world issues like racism.[[/labelnote]]
* MisaimedFandom:
** Terra falls into both types. She's ''supposed'' to be a [[AntiVillain morally gray character]], someone who [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds made horrible mistakes because of
help that this is probably the pains ''only'' interesting thing about Cinder.
** Terry Long (Donna Troy's husband during Marv Wolfman's run) is frequently accused
of her past]], but wasn't pure evil. Instead, she has people vehemently condemning her as [[RonTheDeathEater a purely evil irredeemable psychopath]] and equally vehemently worshipping her as [[DracoInLeatherPants a blameless martyr who deserved far better than she got from the other Teen Titans]]. Ironically, the former interpretation of her being a psychopath ''was'' her creep trying making passes at other girls, but the closest he ever actually came to that was when he suggested to Donna that she make Kory a regular model... and that was [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness really early in the run]]. For the remainder of his 80s appearances, he's pretty obviously devoted to Donna.
* OneSceneWonder: Lord Damyn ([[TheMagnificent High of Highs, Best of Best]]) is a supporting
character who only ever appears in the original comics.
** On a show to show basis, the show itself when [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo its controversial comedic successor]] is brought into discussion,
two issues (#24 and #25) of ''The New Teen Titans''. [[LaughablyEvil He]] [[NotSoHarmlessVillain makes]] quite [[NiceHat an]] [[CloudCuckoolander impression,]] [[ImAHumanitarian though.]]
* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: An odd case
with detractors any Teen Titans team formed with members of the latter complaining about the lack of continuity, characterization, drama, action, [=YJ4=] (Tim Drake, Bart Allen, Cassie Sandsmark, and animation style, in addition to being much more straight up comedic. What they may Conner Kent): Creator/PeterDavid's ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' book did not realize is that create any of these are very similar to the complaints made against ''this show'' for not existing within the DCAU proper and having a more animesque art style, taking various of liberties with a lot of characters and characters, but he wrote their depictions initial interactions, chemistry, and having helped introduce a more light-hearted huge number of fans to them and idealistic tone than the comic series it comics. Especially Wonder Girl; Cassie was based off of. The Terra storyline in particular was toned down in terms TheScrappy to a large number of both people until Peter David made her role and fate.
* {{Moe}}:
** Starfire, hot alien babe and considering her age, is very cute! She also has
popular enough to [[EnsembleDarkhorse win a kind nature and naivety about Earth culture.
** Jericho is a male example. [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081015233921/teentitans/images/7/7a/JerichoGuitar.jpg Just
fan held election for leader.]] If you look at how cute he is!]]
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Slade crossed it in "Apprentice," when he infects Robin's teammates with nanobots that would slowly and painfully kill them from
the inside out unless he acts as Slade's apprentice. And if he didn't cross it before, Slade definitely did throughout season 2, where he manipulated Terra into turning entries on this page for Geoff Johns, you can see part of the Titans, as well as psychologically and physically abused her. That's not even mentioning him gleefully [[MindRape mind raping Raven]] as Trigon's [[TheDragon dragon]] in season 4.
** Malchior in "Spellbound" convinces Raven to break his curse using a classic sexual predator technique; preying on her despair and loneliness.
** Blackfire counts for trying to kill her ''own sister'' without remorse in "Betrothed".
* SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound:
** Terra's {{Leitmotif}} prior to her FaceHeelTurn.
** Due to Ron Perlman's voice acting, Slade's voice is memorable in both its [[SoftSpokenSadist malice]] and [[CreepyAwesome creepiness]].
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* NauseaFuel:
** Starfire eating Silky's cocoon and really liking the taste of it, both for the audience and implied In-Universe.
** Kitten and her boyfriend Fang, whose head is a giant spider, making out. Though it does show that Kitten at least isn't shallow.
* NeverLiveItDown:
** Starfire was shown drinking mustard once. It's common for it to be referenced in fan works. She is, however, shown at several points later with a bottle of mustard with a straw in it in the background, even if she's not actually in the process of drinking it.
** Dr. Light's very first reappearance has him (understandably) still so scared of Raven that her appearing to be on the edge of another demon-mode outburst makes him surrender immediately. Nobody ever remembers that by the next appearance from that, he's gotten over it, to the point that when she attempts to intimidate him into immediately surrendering again, he nonchalantly blasts her.
* OlderThanTheyThink: More than a few story threads, most notably Terra.
** Some fans find it hard to believe that this Robin is intended to be Dick Grayson, arguing that his more brooding, obsessive, and morally questionable behaviors (especially in season 1) are more in line with Jason Todd or Tim Drake. Reading back through the original New Teen Titans comics, however, this is ''exactly'' what Dick Grayson was like, especially in the issues leading up to him quitting being Robin and becoming Nightwing—the Runaways/Scarapelli arc featured the exact same "Robin pushing everyone away to work on a case while Starfire attempts to get him to open up more" plot thread as "Masks".
* PeripheryDemographic: Despite ostensibly being a kids show, ''Teen Titans'' (similar to the ''Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse'', but not to the same level as the animated continuity) is very popular among teens and adults due to its good action, clever writing, and surprisingly mature themes.
* RelationshipWritingFumble:
** Raven and Beast Boy weren't meant to be a couple, but season three had them both share CharacterFocus in [[Recap/TeenTitansS3E6Spellbound a pair of]] [[Recap/TeenTitansS3E9TheBeastWithin emotionally intense episodes]], yielding accidental ShipTease in the process. The creators overcorrected for this in season four by [[AuthorOnBoard having Raven suddenly insist]] that her closest relationship was with ''Robin''[[note]]To drive the point home, the very end of "The End" features Raven giving TheGlomp to Robin and rejecting the same from Beast Boy[[/note]], which inadvertently diminished Robin's preexisting romance with Starfire and created a likewise unintentional LoveTriangle.
*** Even official statements by creative staff were unintentionally confusing--at a convention before season four, WordOfGod declared Beast Boy and Raven were LikeBrotherAndSister and ''then'' LikeAnOldMarriedCouple in the same conversation.
** Cyborg was only dating Jinx while undercover, though he admits that she's not-so-bad when she's not out trying to cause mayhem. Jinx for her part was confused on learning he was the hero that she had tried to kill back in season one and hurt that he lied to her. It was JustBusiness for Cyborg but tells her sincerely that he enjoyed spending time with her as a friend. Yet they had good chemistry, and Jinx in the ''Teen Titans Go'' comics even tried to sneak him a Valentine without any of her HIVE teammates knowing. It does seem like DatingCatwoman was there.
* ReplacementScrappy: Brother Blood in season 3 wasn't nearly as badass and threatening as his predecessor Slade.
* RonTheDeathEater:
** Jinx gets a ''lot'' of flak from the fanfic writers for having "betrayed her friends" and turned on the HIVE Five. Never mind the fact that they were villains who repeatedly committed theft and put human lives in danger, that the HIVE Five weren't really her friends (except maybe See-More, the only one who even seems to express ''sorrow'' at the possibility of her leaving) and were explicitly depicted as inconsiderate and lacking in any sort of drive or passion... no, to the fans, the mere fact that she was a part of their group and left constitutes a heinous crime deserving of bashing. This is an unusual example of this trope, because it's usually unambiguous heroes like... well... Ron himself that get the Death Eater treatment, not a villainess who performed a [[HeelFaceTurn Heel Face Turn]].
** Terra can be both this '''and''' DracoInLeatherPants due to [[AntiVillain fluctuations between good and evil]].
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* TheScrappy: Mento is by far the least liked member of the Doom Patrol, mainly due to his high strict standards and poor treatment of Beast Boy. He's also disliked for his arrogance in refusing to help the Teen Titans fight the Brotherhood of Evil, which would have gotten his entire team and family killed had it not been for the Titans ignoring his orders. When the character somewhat returns in Season 3 of WesternAnimation/YoungJustice, he is presented in a considerably less favorable light.
* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct:
** Creator/TaraStrong said that she auditioned for Starfire because she was known for playing the GenkiGirl character type. She ended up kicking it out of the park with her performance on Raven instead, an EmotionlessGirl with a DarkAndTroubledPast who is violently protective of her friends and more caring than she lets on at first. Special note is her talking with her mother in "The Prophecy" and in a moment of vulnerability, admitting that she is scared of her future, and what her destiny will do to her friends. [[spoiler:You can hear volumes in Raven's voice when she gives a LittleNo, realizing that Trigon already razed Azarath, and Arella had died in the attack but left a part of herself to stay goodbye to her daughter]].
** Before this show, Creator/AshleyJohnson was best known for playing NiceGirl geniuses like Gretchen in ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}''. Here, she expands her range with Terra, a metahuman that goes HeelFaceRevolvingDoor as she wants to be a hero but can't control her powers, and makes a DealWithTheDevil with Slade. ''Aftershock, Part 2'' shows her giving a chilling monologue of how IRegretNothing and she did terrible things, making you truly terrified of Terra and wondering if she's too far gone. [[spoiler:Even more terrifying is when Slade beats her up and shows that he can physically stop her from leaving, reverting Terra back to the scared girl she was in her first appearance and begging for Beast Boy to just kill her before Slade compels her to murder him]]. While fan opinions range on Terra, her actress gave quite a showstopper of a performance.
* ShipMates: Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Raven is the most common example. There is also Beast Boy/Terra - Robin/Raven or Robin/Raven - Beast Boy/Starfire. Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Terra also exists, though probably to a lesser extent. Kid Flash/Jinx is very commonly shipped alongside any of these combinations. Cyborg usually gets paired with Bumblebee, though he is occasionally paired with Jinx, creating another (much, much smaller) battle between Cyborg/Jinx and the (far more popular) [[OfficialCouple Kid Flash/Jinx]]. For a while, Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Terra - [[PairTheSpares Cyborg/Raven]] fics were very common.
* ShipToShipCombat:
** [[BrokenBase Beast Boy/Raven vs. Beast Boy/Terra]] is the big one. The Robin/Raven ship occasionally does smaller but still intense battle with ''both'' [[OfficialCouple Robin/Starfire]] and Beast Boy/Raven.
** Even exists in-universe, as witnessed in "For Real", which is most likely a TakeThat to the fans, considering the pairings mentioned (BB/Star and Aqualad/Bumblebee) seem designed to go against the established [[FanPreferredCouple Fan Preferred Couples]].
* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: Blackfire/Red X is rather popular, and not only have they never met but both characters only appear in a handful of episodes each.
* SpiritualLicensee: As noted on the main page, the series has a tone closer to the ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' comics than the comic it was based on thanks to its mix of comedic and dark storylines. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen It was even pitched as]] a ''Young Justice'' series. Became HilariousInHindsight when an ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' series ''was'' created and ended up being closer in tone to the original ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' comics.
* {{Squick}}: Occasionally invoked:
** Kitten and Fang's kiss in ''Date With Destiny''.
** Starfire's appetite for Silkie's cocoon.
* StoicWoobie: It's hard not to feel sympathy for Raven but she keeps to herself.
* StrawmanHasAPoint:
** While Beast Boy's jerkish behavior to his teammates in "The Beast Within" is uncalled for[[note]]Assuming he was responsible for it; [[NotHimself his DNA was breaking down at the time]][[/note]], he was right in calling Raven out on how she picks on him and insults him, and the lack of respect he receives at times from the others. It helps that we get examples of this during the fight with Adonis.
** Starfire criticizes Robin at the end of "Masks" for pretending to be the villain Red X and deceiving his teammates in order to fool Slade. She's portrayed as being in the right. However, Robin makes a good point when you think about it; had they known he was Red X, they almost certainly wouldn't have attacked him convincingly and his cover could have been blown easily. (Of course, Slade knew the entire time who Red X was, but Robin's point still stands.)
** The episode "Spellbound" shows that Raven has genuine worries about not being able to connect with others because of her interests, best exemplified by her reaction to Beast Boy calling her "weird". The viewers are supposed to be sympathetic to Raven about her isolation, but most of that is her own doing, as she actively refuses to join the others in their fun when offered and makes no attempt to reach out to her friends to address the problem. In fact, the other Titans are never seen to be put out by her hobbies, just the fact that she refuses to socialize even a little with them.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu5HVj-aS-Q verses of the theme song]] are these to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hPm4eiiD08 "Secret Agent Man" by Johnny Rivers]].
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: While the results were ultimately good, some fans were still left disappointed in comparison to the original comics, or heck, the main DC universe that had really pushed the bar in terms of animation and overall comic book adaptation. In spite of several serious storylines, there were notable changes made for a more kid friendly show, such as Terra being less of a straight-up villain, or BigBad Slade being stripped of any [[AntiVillain sympathetic motivations]], which were all one thing, but the anime-ish pratfalls seemed outright pandering if not outright narm-y.
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: One major problem with the Brotherhood of Evil arc in Season 5, apart from them coming off the heels of the ToughActToFollow Trigon arc, is that their whole plan to unite all of the Titans' villains into an alliance of evil seems too similar to the LegionOfDoom plot that was going on concurrently in the final season of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited''.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Immortus has a very cool character concept -- that they did ''nothing'' with.
** Blackfire only appeared in ''two episodes'' and we never find out ''why'' she's so antagonistic in the first place!
** Red X, despite his popularity, almost has NOTHING about him is revealed, or how he got the suit Robin used.
** Slade, in spite of making the most appearances of any villain in the show, has very little revealed about who he is or even what his long term goals are besides gaining an apprentice and dominating the city. It's especially bad that even after he achieved his aim after the fourth season, he almost never appears in the fifth so the Brain can take the spot as the BigBad.
** Jericho. He's Slade's son in the comics but it wasn't even alluded to in the cartoon - although this may have been explored if the show had been renewed for more seasons.
** Classic Titans villain Psimon makes a couple cameo appearances in the last few episodes. Anyone familiar with the Teen Titans comics, or the Young Justice TV show, knows that this is WAY too cool and dangerous of a villain to be left to a mere cameo.
** Kyd Wykkyd was one of the most interesting HIVE students: mute, having a Batman-esque costume and his odd demon like powers that were somewhat similar to Raven's. They did jack all with him.
** The Man-Beast form showed up a total of three times during the show's duration, the first two during its original episode.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** On a more basic level, Starfire has a deep backstory, yet she ''never'' got a season devoted to her own growth the way the other four did (with Robin and Beast Boy getting ''two'' in that they tied in to Raven and Terra's growth respectively), while the most growth we got from Starfire was her relationship with Robin.
** Another example is Robin and Beast Boy's personal relationship with each other. Throughout the show we see them developing stronger bonds with the other members, but their relationship with each other is neutral at best and tense at worst. There's never an episode where they develop a stronger bond together... though there is that episode where Robin seriously threatens to send Beast Boy to jail.
*** Especially since the ComicBook/DoomPatrol episodes give them the perfect [[Franchise/{{Batman}} common ground.]] The closest we see of them coming together is when they team up to individually take out Brain and Monsieur Mallah in the penultimate episode of the series.
** Terra's betrayal (aka the Judas Contract). In the comics, Terra was part of the team for ''dozens'' of issues prior to turning on the Titans. In the show? She had just three appearances prior to the episode in which she betrays them: her debut episode, her joining of the team five episodes later, and a non-speaking cameo in the episode after that. While [[WordOfGod Glen Murakami]] explained that it was due to time constraints (she was originally planned to make much more appearances throughout the season to the point she was supposed to be PromotedToOpeningTitles), it is still disappointing that Terra having a significant tenure as a Titan is at best implied through only a voiceless cameo and a single flashback.
** Robin's transformation into ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} is only alluded to once in the series. Despite his interest in becoming said hero, nothing ever becomes of it.
** It's never explained why Robin left Batman. While it's implied they had a falling out, "The Apprentice" shows (albeit indirectly) that Robin still has a lot of respect for Batman and considers him his father.
** Whether or not [[RelationshipWritingFumble it's romantic]], Beast Boy and Raven had one of the most complex relationships in the show... and they never managed to reach a real understanding.
** For as much of an effect that Trigon had on Raven and her life (for good and for ill), it can feel like something of a disservice for him to only get a passing mention in Season 5. It would have been interesting to have a Raven-centric version of “Haunted” where she has to ponder whether or not her father is truly gone and what kind of influence he may still have on her, ultimately coming to terms with his passing. The Teen Titans Go comics do touch on this briefly though, where it is revealed her greatest fear is that her victory against Trigon may not be permanent, and that she may end up becoming his portal again, or even be fully corrupted by her demonic heritage.
* ToughActToFollow: While the final season is not considered outright ''bad'', it is still seen as inferior when compared to the extremely well-received fourth season. In particular, the Brotherhood of Evil is rather difficult to take as the serious threat they're positioned as when they're coming off the heels of [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils Trigon]].
* ToyShip: Beast Boy and Terra. OK, so they're not kids, but they're still two of the youngest characters in the show.

to:

* TheScrappy: Mento TheScrappy:
** Danny Chase. Not only did he actually look like CousinOliver, but ''everyone'' hated him. He mocked Jason Todd's death (in front of Dick Grayson, Jason's adopted brother) and his sole Crowning Moment of Anything was his own death.
** Terry Long, for being considerably older than Donna, coming off as creepy, and his tendency to make blatant passes at her friends. He actually became even more of a JerkAss in the '90s, before he was killed off in John Byrne's run of Wonder Woman.
** The Team Titans, for being a failed ''ComicBook/XForce'' CaptainErsatz stuffed with CListFodder; by ''ComicBook/ZeroHourCrisisInTime'', all but ''two'' were RetGone with only Terra II and Mirage remaining. Mirage in particular
is disliked by Dick/Kory fans due to Mirage being a bizarre {{Yandere}}, kidnapping Kory and using her shapeshifting to subject Dick Grayson to a BedTrick, and then, after the real Kory is freed, using her shapeshifting to pose nude as Kory for an adult magazine.
** Cassandra Sandsmark, she came off like a raging AlphaBitch after her boyfriend's death. It's worse when you remember that she started out as her school's lovable geek. Her New 52 version has similar controversy, but is also hated for being a thief, being "overtly sexualized" and having her connection with Wonder Woman only recognizeable to readers of Wondie's book (she's the daughter of Diana's half-brother, i.e. the niece of Wonder Woman, though neither of them know about it as of now).
*** Once Conner returned to the series (before the reboot), you think she wouldn't have had much reason to keep lashing out at her teammates, but some writers felt differently. Under Johns' (ironically) and others' pens since Conner's return, she had been portrayed positively and having gotten over her grief. But other writers, especially in the case of Felicia Henderson, had continued to portray her as an angry shrew, who even goes as
far the least liked as to treat her back-from-the-dead boyfriend like crap (eventually leading to their breakup).
** Prysm, a
member of the Doom Patrol, mainly Dan Jurgens' volume 2 team, isn't very liked by some classic fans due to his high strict standards coming off too naive and poor treatment of Beast Boy. He's stereotypically feminine, spoiled, and her visual appeal mostly coming from the fact that she was nude all the time.
** Fringe from the above run is
also hated, for lacking personality and never being as developed. Unlike Prysm, it's hard to find fans that can tolerate him.
** Minion from Wolfman's ''New Titans'' is either hated or ignored by most fans due to the fact that he came in during a DorkAge, and that he seemed to be pushed in as a cool new teenage character but lacked interesting traits.
** Bombshell was widely
disliked by a number of fans during her brief tenure on the team. She was criticized for his arrogance in refusing having very little personality and was accused of trying to ape the characterization of the recently departed fan favorite Ravager. The fact that she was a MotorMouth and a JerkAss didn't do much to help her standing with fans.
** Deathstroke's Titans team qualifies for this status as well. They are even more so ignored than Fringe and Minion, who are at least mentioned in nostalgic regard when discussing the past Titans team, whereas Slade's team of mercenaries is completely ignored save for when someone is mentioning a member that was already a Titan (Roy, Osiris) or associated with the group (Cheshire, Deathstroke). Anything beyond that is liable to be overly critical ranting about how much that run on the book sucked.
** The [=DEOrphans=], a group of metahuman kids from the DEO, were hated even more than the unpopular Titans. This was because they got in the way of the Titans' screentime and that they were simply useless at fighting or doing much to advance the plot. Their presence also caused the "Epsilon" arc to be heavily rewritten, and a bunch of other planned stories had been thrown out.
** Pantha and Baby Wildebeest had received hate and ridicule for being "awful '90s characters" from various fans, although their deaths in Infinite Crisis showed them to be more on the BaseBreakingCharacter side, as many other fans decried their horrible fate.
** Flamebird. After the first Crisis, the original Bat-Girl no longer existed and Barbara Gordon was deemed to be the original. When Marv Wolfman and George Perez decided to revamp the Titans West team for the Post-Crisis origins of
the Teen Titans fight Titans, Betty Kane was reintroduced as Mary Elizabeth (''"Bette"'') Kane, now with the Brotherhood of Evil, which would have gotten his entire team codename Flamebird and family killed a ValleyGirl with [[StalkerWithACrush a strong desire to get the affections and praise of Nightwing in any way]]. As Wolfman had it not been no love for the Titans ignoring his orders. When West save for Lilith and Changeling, the portrayals of the revamped versions, ESPECIALLY Bette, earned them spots high on the Titans "Scrappy" list. Flamebird wound up as a ButtMonkey-type character for years to come, even though some writers attempted to make her seem more interesting through [[InformedAbility "depths"]] in her origin (stating her physical prowess and skills that rarely seemed to be reflected). Geoff Johns started a more streamlined take on the character somewhat returns in Season 3 of WesternAnimation/YoungJustice, he is presented in a considerably less favorable light.
* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct:
** Creator/TaraStrong said
the ''Beast Boy'' mini-series, and it seemed that she auditioned for Starfire because she Greg Rucka was known for playing attempting [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap to revise her into a much more competent heroine]]. The ComicBook/New52 pressed the GenkiGirl character type. She ended up kicking it out of ResetButton via the park with her performance on Raven instead, an EmotionlessGirl with a DarkAndTroubledPast who is violently protective ''Batwoman'' series, as Bette now lost most of her friends and more caring than she lets on at first. Special note is her talking with her mother in "The Prophecy" and in a moment of vulnerability, admitting that she is scared of her future, and what her destiny will do to her friends. [[spoiler:You can hear volumes in Raven's voice when she gives a LittleNo, realizing that Trigon already razed Azarath, and Arella had died in the attack but left a part of herself to stay goodbye to her daughter]].
** Before this show, Creator/AshleyJohnson was best known for playing NiceGirl geniuses like Gretchen in ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}''. Here, she expands her range with Terra, a metahuman that goes HeelFaceRevolvingDoor as she wants to be a hero but can't control her powers, and makes a DealWithTheDevil with Slade. ''Aftershock, Part 2'' shows her giving a chilling monologue of how IRegretNothing and she did terrible things, making you truly terrified of Terra and wondering if she's too far gone. [[spoiler:Even more terrifying is when Slade beats her up and shows that he can physically stop her from leaving, reverting Terra back to the scared girl she was in her first appearance and begging for Beast Boy to just kill her before Slade compels her to murder him]]. While fan opinions range on Terra, her actress gave quite a showstopper of a performance.
* ShipMates: Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Raven is the most common example. There is also Beast Boy/Terra - Robin/Raven or Robin/Raven - Beast Boy/Starfire. Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Terra also exists, though probably to a lesser extent. Kid Flash/Jinx is very commonly shipped alongside any of these combinations. Cyborg usually gets paired with Bumblebee, though he is occasionally paired with Jinx, creating another (much, much smaller) battle between Cyborg/Jinx and the (far more popular) [[OfficialCouple Kid Flash/Jinx]]. For a while, Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Terra - [[PairTheSpares Cyborg/Raven]] fics were very common.
* ShipToShipCombat:
** [[BrokenBase Beast Boy/Raven vs. Beast Boy/Terra]] is the big one. The Robin/Raven ship occasionally does smaller but still intense battle with ''both'' [[OfficialCouple Robin/Starfire]] and Beast Boy/Raven.
** Even exists in-universe, as witnessed in "For Real", which is most likely a TakeThat to the fans, considering the pairings mentioned (BB/Star and Aqualad/Bumblebee) seem designed to go against the
established [[FanPreferredCouple Fan Preferred Couples]].
* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: Blackfire/Red X is rather popular,
history (and previous upgrade), making her come off nearly TooStupidToLive and not get mutilated by an enemy. She's later appeared to have gone back on track to a darker and more serious revamp in her costume, but time will tell if this change is successful.
** Golden Eagle was initially hated for being a shoe-horned attempt to give Hawkman a sidekick and knockoff in the Pre-Crisis era, and was hated Post-Crisis for being a slacker surfer-type guy who'd
only have fight if it could get him women and attention. [[AlasPoorScrappy He got a little sympathy after being killed off]], but after Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray retconned his death and revealed him to be a {{Jerkass}}-type villain with a grudge against Hawkman, fans had new reason to despise the guy (or the direction he was taken in).
* SeasonalRot:
** The renewal of the original series, once it stopped being about a team of superheroes and [[GenreShift started being about a team of secret agent ex-superheroes]] (the Titans were pressured to quit heroics because [[MyGreatestFailure
they never met but both failed to stop a celebrity peacemaker from getting shot]]), which lasted until they finally decided to get back into costume again. During the very last death-throes of the series there was a three-issue arc that introduced [[WestCoastTeam Titans West]], which wasn't enough to stave of cancellation.
** The Wolfman run suffered from this after George Perez departed as this sent a number of shockwaves throughout the book, including a huge increase in Wangst, repeated arcs, Deathstroke being EasilyForgiven, and the much reviled [[CreatorsPet Danny]] [[TheScrappy Chase]].
** Then came the dawn of the 90s; newly promoted editor Jonathan Peterson had come to the opinion that the current state of the Titans was too boring, too episodic, and had too many
characters only appear in a handful of episodes each.
* SpiritualLicensee: As noted on
(especially the main page, long-forgotten Golden Eagle), and so he had Wolfman start the series has 10th anniversary of his ''New Teen Titans'' run with the long, difficult to follow "ComicBook/TitansHunt" arc and the book began self-destructing, with [[{{Irony}} a tone closer ton of uninteresting and/or unlikable new characters being introduced]], loads of 90s clichés, chaotic storytelling and art, and tons of [[ShockingSwerve Shocking Swerves.]] After Cyborg got PutOnABusToHell, the book was left in shambles, with the team constantly changing and being interrupted by crossovers. By the end, many felt the ending to the run was a MercyKill.
** The 2003-2011 run, while it became the second-longest run for the team, also suffered from this. While the Johns run caused a BrokenBase in the fanbase, most notably
''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' fans felt their favourite superheroes were derailed for the purpose of "graduating" them to the Titans, several fans enjoyed the return of the book's original title and cast, but the novelty wound up wearing off fairly quickly, with the first 25 or so issues from that run being divisive at best. The book's quality went even further downhill with the ''One Year Later'' portion, after which Johns left the book. Not helping matters was how ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' seemingly made the Titans "[[CListFodder the heroes that it's okay to kill]]", further contributing to the team's fluctuating membership. The remainder of the series proved to be a slow decline, with characters being offed for no reason, being pointlessly DarkerAndEdgier (including an infamous story where a demonic Wonder Dog mauled the Wonder Twins leading to backlash from comics than sites), [[TookALevelInJerkass characters acting like assholes]] for no reason, and the comic it was based on thanks to its mix of comedic and dark storylines. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen It was even pitched as]] a ''Young Justice'' series. Became HilariousInHindsight when an ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' series ''was'' created and [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot few usable plotlines being wasted]]. The run ended up being closer with issue 100 and was replaced by the ''ComicBook/New52'' run, which unfortunately became a huge DorkAge of the title.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The Wolfman/Perez run gets a lot of this for modern readers. At the time, its focus on actual arcs and character development and dynamics made it indisputably one of DC's most successful books and helped modernize the company's storytelling considerably, giving it a fighting chance against Marvel
in tone the later Bronze Age. Modern readers tend to wonder what all the fuss was about, comparing it unfavorably to later books with similar formulas, or even comics like Claremont's ''X-Men'' that were running at the same time. Few will acknowledge that George Perez's artwork was anything less than excellent, though.
* StrangledByTheRedString:
** Donna Troy and Lilith Clay had rather spontaneous and episodic interests in other heroes and characters in
the original ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' comics.
* {{Squick}}: Occasionally invoked:
** Kitten
series, with drama between Donna Troy and Fang's kiss in ''Date With Destiny''.
either Wally, Roy, and even Hank Hall, with Donna's own interest largely flip-flopping between them. Lilith Clay had some very suddenly deep connections with Mal and even Gnarrk after their arrivals.
** Starfire's appetite for Silkie's cocoon.
* StoicWoobie: It's hard
A not to feel sympathy for infrequent occurrence of some of Wolfman's writing in ''New Teen Titans''. Examples include:
*** Wally and Raven, which started when
Raven but she keeps surreptitiously ''forced'' Wally to herself.
* StrawmanHasAPoint:
** While Beast Boy's jerkish behavior to his teammates in "The Beast Within" is uncalled for[[note]]Assuming he was responsible for it; [[NotHimself his DNA was breaking down at the time]][[/note]], he was right in calling Raven out on how she picks on him and insults him, and the lack of respect he receives at times from the others. It helps that we get examples of this during the fight with Adonis.
** Starfire criticizes Robin at the end of "Masks" for pretending to be the villain Red X and deceiving his teammates in order to fool Slade. She's portrayed as being in the right. However, Robin makes a good point when you think about it; had they known he was Red X, they almost certainly wouldn't have attacked him convincingly and his cover could have been blown easily. (Of course, Slade knew the entire time who Red X was, but Robin's point still stands.)
** The episode "Spellbound" shows that Raven has genuine worries about not being able to connect with others because of her interests, best exemplified by her reaction to Beast Boy calling her "weird". The viewers are supposed to be sympathetic to Raven about her isolation, but most of that is her own doing, as she actively refuses
want to join the others in their fun when offered and makes no attempt to reach out to her friends to address the problem. In fact, the other Teen Titans are never seen by subjecting him to be put out by some light BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood, though she admitted to some completely un-foreshadowed romantic interest for him on her hobbies, just own part.
*** Donna Troy and Terry Long, who were already in a relationship by the time NTT started, despite her competing interests in other heroes in the 60s and 70s.
** Tim Drake ([[Comicbook/{{Robin}} Robin III]]) and Cassie Sandsmark ([[ComicBook/WonderGirl Wonder Girl II]]). Given
the fact that she refuses they had a very platonic interaction before the hookup, that Wonder Girl was the girlfriend of Robin's dead best friend ComicBook/{{Superboy}}, and the reason they kissed in the first place was due to socialize even mutual mourning of said person... yeah, it was definitely a little with them.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu5HVj-aS-Q verses
trainwreck. Fans of both Wonder Girl and Robin sighed a collective breath of relief when the pairing ended.
** ...Though the return
of the theme song]] are these subplot in the New 52 only reignited the fan rage. To the series credit, the first few issues did establish UnresolvedSexualTension between the two and succeeding issues suggested that the romance would be approached slowly and with an organic approach. Then [[AssPull issue #17 happened]]. First, [[DoggedNiceGuy Tim Drake]] kissed Solstice from out of nowhere, even though he knows she's in a relationship with Kid Flash. Then, on the next page, it's heavily implied [[ChasteHero he]] and Wonder Girl have sex, and have had sex before. And the last page reveals that [[BrainwashedAndCrazy something's very wrong with Tim]]. Later issues reveal that Trigon was manipulating him, but the writer tried to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hPm4eiiD08 "Secret Agent Man" write the situation under the rug by Johnny Rivers]].
saying he was only enhancing Tim's desires. Unfortunately, that still meant he took a famously chaste hero like Tim, forced him to have sex under the influence (ie. rape) with his LoveInterest, and then to add salt to the wound, Wonder Girl was then shown trying to get with Superboy (probably her most popular suitor) to get past the fling, Solstice promptly forgot the whole event, and everyone was written poorly for seven or eight more issues before they were cancelled.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: The evil alternate Kid Flash during ''ComicBook/TheTerrorOfTrigon'' pointed out that, although they had so much UnresolvedSexualTension, Wally West was so undecided that he would never enjoy the warm kisses of Raven. And he was right.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: While the results were ultimately good, some fans were still left disappointed in comparison to the original comics, or heck, the main DC universe that had really pushed the bar in terms of animation and overall comic book adaptation. In spite of several serious storylines, there were notable changes made for a more kid friendly show, such as Terra being less of a straight-up villain, or BigBad Slade being stripped of any [[AntiVillain sympathetic motivations]], which were all one thing, but the anime-ish pratfalls seemed outright pandering if not outright narm-y.
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: One major problem with the Brotherhood of Evil arc in Season 5, apart from them coming off the heels of the ToughActToFollow Trigon arc, is that their whole plan to unite all of the Titans' villains into an alliance of evil seems too similar to the LegionOfDoom plot that was going on concurrently in the final season of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited''.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Immortus has a very cool character concept -- that they did ''nothing'' with.
** Blackfire only appeared in ''two episodes'' and we never find out ''why'' she's so antagonistic in the first place!
** Red X, despite his popularity, almost has NOTHING about him is revealed, or how he got the suit Robin used.
** Slade, in spite of making the most appearances of any villain in the show, has very little revealed about who he is or even what his long term goals are besides gaining an apprentice and dominating the city. It's especially bad that even after he achieved his aim after the fourth season, he almost never appears in the fifth so the Brain can take the spot as the BigBad.
** Jericho. He's Slade's son in the comics but it wasn't even alluded to in the cartoon - although this may have been explored if the show had been renewed for more seasons.
** Classic Titans villain Psimon makes a couple cameo appearances in the last few episodes. Anyone familiar with the Teen Titans comics, or the Young Justice TV show, knows that this is WAY too cool and dangerous of a villain to be left to a mere cameo.
** Kyd Wykkyd was one of the most interesting HIVE students: mute, having a Batman-esque costume and his odd demon like powers that were somewhat similar to Raven's. They did jack all with him.
** The Man-Beast form showed up a total of three times during the show's duration, the first two during its original episode.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** On a more basic level, Starfire has a deep backstory, yet she ''never'' got a season devoted to her own growth the way the other four did (with Robin and Beast Boy getting ''two'' in that they tied in to Raven and Terra's growth respectively), while the most growth we got from Starfire was her relationship with Robin.
** Another example is Robin and Beast Boy's personal relationship with each other. Throughout the show we see them developing stronger bonds with the other members, but their relationship with each other is neutral at best and tense at worst. There's never an episode where they develop a stronger bond together... though there is that episode where Robin seriously threatens to send Beast Boy to jail.
*** Especially since the ComicBook/DoomPatrol episodes give them the perfect [[Franchise/{{Batman}} common ground.]] The closest we see of them coming together is when they team up to individually take out Brain and Monsieur Mallah in the penultimate episode of the series.
** Terra's betrayal (aka the Judas Contract). In the comics, Terra was part of the team for ''dozens'' of issues prior to turning on the Titans. In the show? She had just three appearances prior to the episode in which she betrays them: her debut episode, her joining of the team five episodes later, and a non-speaking cameo in the episode after that. While [[WordOfGod Glen Murakami]] explained that it was due to time constraints (she was originally planned to make much more appearances throughout the season to the point she was supposed to be PromotedToOpeningTitles), it is still disappointing that Terra having a significant tenure as a Titan is at best implied through only a voiceless cameo and a single flashback.
** Robin's transformation into ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} is only alluded to once in the series. Despite his interest in
''Titans'' becoming said hero, nothing ever becomes a villain-driven book about a team of it.
** It's never explained why Robin left Batman. While it's implied they
mercenaries led by Deathstroke. The reviews for the series before the change had a falling out, "The Apprentice" shows (albeit indirectly) that Robin still has a lot of respect for Batman and considers him his father.
** Whether or not [[RelationshipWritingFumble it's romantic]], Beast Boy and Raven had one of the most complex relationships in the show... and they never managed to reach a real understanding.
** For as much of an effect that Trigon had on Raven and her life (for good and for ill), it can feel like something of a disservice for him to only get a passing mention in Season 5. It would have
already been interesting to have a Raven-centric version of “Haunted” where she has to ponder whether or not her father is truly gone poor, but after Eric Wallace and what kind of influence he may still have on her, ultimately coming to terms with his passing. The Teen Titans Go comics do touch on this briefly though, where it is revealed her greatest fear is that her victory against Trigon may not be permanent, and that she may end up becoming his portal again, or even be fully corrupted by her demonic heritage.
* ToughActToFollow: While
Fabrizio Fiorentino took over, the final season is not considered outright ''bad'', it is still seen as inferior when compared to book found its way on many "Worst Comics of 2010" lists. One common complaint was the extremely well-received fourth season. In particular, the Brotherhood death of Evil is rather difficult to take as the serious threat they're positioned as when they're coming off the heels of [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils Trigon]].
* ToyShip: Beast Boy and Terra. OK, so they're not kids, but they're still two of the youngest characters in the show.
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* UglyCute:
** Silkie might as well be the team mascot.
** There's also those little egg-headed aliens that worshiped Raven.
** And Starfire in monster form from the episode ''Transformation''.
** Blackfire and Glgrdsklechhh's babies in ''The New Teen Titans''.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The creators evidently thought that making Beast Boy the ButtMonkey was the same as making him TheChewToy but shot themselves in the foot by also making him TheWoobie whenever he had CharacterFocus, which gave him a series-long case of AngstWhatAngst and his fans loads and loads of angsty FanficFuel.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene in "The Beast Within". The episode is trying to portray him as [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] regarding Beast Boy's new inner monster, except that hard conversation involves Robin threatening to send Beast Boy to jail for a crime that he ''assumes'' has happened but lacks a shred of concrete evidence for. That [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Beast Boy is convinced Robin's right]] doesn't help. He also gets this for attacking Beast Boy with explosives after he turns into a monster. While the monster was assumed to have been a threat at the time and they were right to try and stop it, the fact remains that Robin could have ''killed'' his teammate with those explosives.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: To an extent. On the whole, the series was pretty kid-friendly overall, but it did have moments of this at times with storylines involving [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the end of the world]], Blackmail when [[spoiler:Slade threatens to kill the Teen Titans unless Robin becomes his apprentice]], and a few [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything instances of]] MindRape. Not to mention Raven's demonic heritage would make some religious parents and viewers scared.
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs:
** Any episode with Mad Mod and ''Employee of the Month'', [[spoiler:where the VillainOfTheWeek was a cube of alien tofu that was stealing cows to fuel his starship and wanted to blow up Earth after he had enough cows]].
** And then there's Larry... Having Larry interrupt the theme song tends to be the writers' way of pre-lampshading this.
* WidgetSeries: Whenever the theme song is in Japanese, the episode ''will'' be a Weird Humorous American Thing.
* WTHCastingAgency: They got Creator/TonyJay for one episode, so you think he plays a menacing villain or some kined of badass. Nope, he ''narrates'' it fairy tale-style, so he doesn't even get to interact with any character.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Either you like the long-haired Nightwing from "How Long Is Forever" and take it as his official future look...or you absolutely hate it and use the fact that it's from a BadFuture that was undone as an excuse to never acknowledge it again.
%% ** ''Mother Mae-Eye''. Enough said.
%%* TheWoobie:
%%** Often Starfire.
* TheWoobie: Plasmus. The poor guy's incapable of controlling his sludge monster form whenever he's conscious, essentially has to be kept in an artifical coma for his entire life to stay human, and in his only speaking role, he's visibly ''terrified'' of what he'll do to people when he's awake.

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* UglyCute:
UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Silkie might Deathstroke's mercenary team of Titans were described by writer Eric Wallace as well be being bad people, but it's clear that the majority of the team mascot.
** There's also those little egg-headed aliens
was supposed to be seen as tragic and sympathetic due to their horrible backstories and the recent series of traumas that worshiped Raven.
** And Starfire in monster form
pushed them into the team. This included Cheshire and Tattooed Man losing their respective child, Osiris being haunted by the man he accidentally killed to protect his sister, and the years of sexual abuse and SurvivorsGuilt Cinder suffered from. However, any sympathy these characters might have gained was instantly crushed by the team's first actual appearance when they brutally slaughtered [[TheAtom Ryan Choi]], followed by Osiris's gradual transformation into a self-centered brat and Cinder stupidly letting a serial child rapist free because she rushed her attempt to murder him. The only member of the team who managed to retain any sense of sympathy from fans was [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Roy Harper]], who was not a part of Ryan's death and had the episode ''Transformation''.
** Blackfire and Glgrdsklechhh's babies in ''The New Teen Titans''.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The creators evidently thought
distinction of being manipulated by both Deathstroke ''and'' Cheshire. It helps that making Beast Boy the ButtMonkey readers were still ''majorly'' pissed off at how poorly Roy was the same as making him TheChewToy but shot themselves in the foot by also making him TheWoobie whenever he had CharacterFocus, which gave him a series-long case of AngstWhatAngst being handled after ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' and his fans loads ''Rise of Arsenal''.
** Another Titans example would have to be Cassandra Sandsmark
and loads of angsty FanficFuel.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Robin
Tim Drake during the interrogation scene "One Year Later" storylines. Understandably the two are still reeling from Superboy's death, but Cassandra began to sorely grate the nerves of the readers because she TookALevelInJerkass and became an insufferable, bitter asshole. Tim came across as more sympathetic in "The his grief especially since the writers were deliberately ignoring parts of his backstory (like the stepmother who was nowhere to be found after his dad died), but then he became involved in a {{Wangst}} fueled on/off relationship with Cassandra that ultimately went nowhere. But what ultimately made the two unsympathetic was their constant zigzagging with Rose Wilson in the Titans, either accepting her as one of their own or viewing her as the team's token psycho and badmouthing her behind her back. In fact, Rose left the team and briefly allied herself with the new Clock King when she heard Tim and Cass profess she was a lost cause. This is all despite knowing very well that Rose's FaceHeelTurn was not of her choosing, but because her father pumped her full of drugs and drove her insane
** Yet another would be in the New 52. In an incident that was ''obviously'' supposed to garner sympathy for the character, Bunker used his psionic bricks to slam an UngratefulBastard against a brick wall, because said bastard was ungrateful for being saved by Bunker and
Beast Within". The episode is trying to portray him as [[ShootTheDog being forced to have the hard conversation]] regarding Beast Boy's new inner monster, except that hard conversation involves Robin threatening to send Beast Boy to jail for Boy, because they "looked like a crime bunch of..." While Bunker was pissed that he ''assumes'' has happened but lacks was going to use a shred homophobic slur (Bunker is gay himself), literally nothing implies he was. So instead of concrete evidence for. That [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Beast Boy is convinced Robin's right]] doesn't help. He also gets this for Bunker attacking Beast Boy with explosives after he turns into someone over a monster. While the monster was assumed to have slur, which still would've been a threat at the time and they were right to try and stop it, the fact remains little much, he's attacking a guy over something ''he didn't even do, with no implication that Robin could have ''killed'' his teammate he was going to do it.''
* VindicatedByHistory: Dan Jurgens' run was considered to be a DorkAge after the 16-year Wolfman run ended but nowadays has since been considered to be a good run held back by the fans' difficulty
with those explosives.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: To an extent. On
accepting a group of entirely new characters carrying the whole, title of such a beloved team.
* {{Wangst}}: A staple since
the series eighties. Wolfman made heavy use of EmotionsVsStoicism and LoveHurts... but as the years went by, it became increasingly apparent that there was pretty kid-friendly overall, but it did have moments of this at times with storylines involving [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the end no ''point'' to any of the world]], Blackmail when [[spoiler:Slade threatens ongoing personal conflict; all the drama was just to kill ensure the characters were never actually ''happy''. The characters spent time talking about their problems, but they never got around to solving them until it was either too late or Wolfman could hit them with a new permutation of the problem.
* WhatAnIdiot
** When Raven first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.\\
'''You'd expect''': that Raven simply clarifies that she is the daughter of Trigon. That he's pure evil, but she is not. She wouldn't be the first hero with an ArchnemesisDad, or the first [[BadPowersGoodPeople good person with bad powers]].\\
'''Instead''': She simply leaves, considers the JLA a hopeless case, and creates a new group instead,
the Teen Titans. But even then...\\
'''Now you'd expect''': That she would explain things honestly this time.\\
'''Instead''': She keeps the
Titans unless Robin becomes his apprentice]], and a few [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything instances of]] MindRape. Not in the dark as much as she did with the JLA. And using her powers to mention Raven's demonic heritage would make some religious parents and viewers scared.
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs:
** Any episode
Kid Flash fall in love with Mad Mod and ''Employee of the Month'', [[spoiler:where the VillainOfTheWeek was a cube of alien tofu her so that was stealing cows to fuel his starship and wanted to blow up Earth after he had enough cows]].
** And then there's Larry... Having Larry interrupt
joins the theme song tends to be group is definitely [[NotHelpingYourCase not helping her case]].\\
'''Result:''' Both teams walk away from her when
the writers' way of pre-lampshading this.
* WidgetSeries: Whenever the theme song is in Japanese, the episode ''will'' be a Weird Humorous American Thing.
* WTHCastingAgency:
truth comes to light. They got Creator/TonyJay for one episode, so you think he plays a menacing villain or some kined of badass. Nope, he ''narrates'' it fairy tale-style, so he doesn't even get to interact with any character.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Either you like the long-haired Nightwing from "How Long Is Forever" and take it as his official future look...or you absolutely hate it and use the fact that it's from a BadFuture that was undone as an excuse to never acknowledge it again.
%% ** ''Mother Mae-Eye''. Enough said.
only come back when Trigon is already here.
%%* TheWoobie:
%%** Often Starfire.
** Shimmer can change matter at will. She also says that she's not interested in fighting superheros, just to get rich.\\
'''You'd expect:''' that, with her power, she simply turns some mundane items into gold, some others into platinum, and some others into priceless jewels, and that's it: she's as rich as she may want to be.\\
'''Instead:''' She has such an awesome power... and wastes it in [[BankRobbery Bank Robberies]].

* TheWoobie: Plasmus. The WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical:
** "The Return of Donna Troy" has a discussion between Troia (a brainwashed evil conqueror at the time) and Athyns. Troia claimed that the aliens she was attacking had some dangerous universal weapon, which must be destroyed on behalf of the universe. Athyns pointed that they were not surrounded by any dangerous evil army but by
poor guy's incapable people ravaged by war, and asked [[ArmorPiercingQuestion if they had such a weapon, why didn't they attempt to defend themselves with it]]. Athyns concluded, before starting to fight, that there is no such weapon and that the Titans of controlling Myth have lied to her. Yes, you guessed it: the comic book was published at the time of the Iraq war.
** Exaggerated by the pseudo-Silver Age "Lost Annual", in which the Fab Five go to a distant planet to rescue one kidnapped President John F. Kennedy for
his sludge monster form whenever abilities to win a propaganda-heavy war against innocent natives. This is, of course, a version of John F. Kennedy who was actually a skilled diplomatist who was capable of ending wars, and it wasn't him but the alien body-double who was assassinated. (It only counts as "Not Political" because the Vietnam War -- which the RealLife JFK got America ''into'' -- wasn't mentioned directly).
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: When Raven first appeared, she could not have her Soul Self out of her body [[KryptoniteFactor for more than 5 minutes]]. One day, she failed to return to her body in time. The results were... [[MindScrew mind screwing]].
* TheWoobie:
** Kid Devil, who was on the team during the era of "One Year Later". He has the most pathetic back story prior to joining the team, and ends up getting the worst treatment after.
** JerkassWoobie: Yes, Roy Harper murdered a supervillain, turned his back on his friends, went back on heroin, and joined Deathstroke's mercenary team for the chance to kill Deathstroke. But considering that his right arm had been hacked off, was given a prosthetic which actually causes more pain and impairs his abilities as an archer, and his daughter, Lian, died, it's hard not to feel sorry for him. This is magnified by how out-of-character his friends and family acted during ''Rise of Arsenal'', and by how his joining Deathstroke's Titans was mainly due to Cheshire, Lian's mother, guilt tripping him into joining by saying that he "owed" her for Lian's death.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Beast Boy's historic pick of red and white colors for his outfits is sorely outdated, going all the way back to his early ''Comicbook/DoomPatrol'' days, which is where such a combination at least made sense as the team colors. But following his departure from the title, the colors stopped making sense for him, especially versions using lots of white. One of Beast Boy's main visual principles is the fact that
he's conscious, essentially ''[[AmazingTechnicolorPopulation bright green]]'', which by rights should be used as a contrast against his costume to draw attention to his face and potentially limbs, but white, being by definition the brightest color, has more contrast with everything, which draws attention ''away'' from Beast Boy's face. His black-and-purple outfits inspired by the cartoon tend to be kept in an artifical coma serve him much better by taking advantage of his bright green colors for said contrast.
** Special note must go to
his entire life to stay human, and in tacky face-mask from his only speaking role, he's visibly ''terrified'' early Doom Patrol, which was simply ridiculous regardless of what he'll do combination of purple, black, and yellow it was using in any given issue.
** The problems of the red and white color combination were in full swing in the 80s, and his version of the outfit then also had a bizarre little square of red-on-white contrast just below his waist, which only served
to people when he's awake.draw audience eyes painfully close to Gar's crotch.
** In the 90s, Beast Boy decided to complement the 80s look with a deep black ''trench coat'' of all things. The poor boy was going through ADarkerMe phase.




!![=YMMVs=] for the [[ComicBook/TeenTitans comic books]]:
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* AccidentalInnuendo:
** On more than one occasion during The New Teen Titans era, Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} would let Jericho, whose power was to [[BodySurf possess people]], possess him with the words: [[http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk8uz27EK01qc7r93o1_400.png "Joey, get inside me!"]]
** [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98764/1899884-loves_dick.jpg Here Starfire yells]] "I love Dick! Dick! I love Dick!" Referring to [[ComicBook/{{Robin}} Dick Grayson]], of course.
* AlasPoorScrappy: The fate of Marvin and Wendy in "Teen Titans #62". Yes, they were annoying. No, they did '''not''' deserve to be brutalized by Wonder Dog, who kills Marvin and leaves Wendy comatose and paraplegic.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Terra. A sociopath who could not be helped, or a [[StepfordSmiler broken]] little girl who got mixed up with the wrong people and let her emotions get the better of her? Did she truly think the Teen Titans were her friends, even a little bit? Did she have feelings for Garfield? [[spoiler:[[DeathIsCheap Terra 2]], and her Black Lantern version, seems to have supported the alternate views]]. Also, was she [[HoistByHisOwnPetard hoisted by her own petard]] by accident, or did she commit suicide with the intention of doing so? Was she evil at heart, or did she just hate the hypocritical "goody two-shoes" nature of the Titans? Was her death fueled by drugs, contaminated drinking water, or was it natural?
** This is also another instance where the ambiguity only came later. Terra's evilness was the whole point of her character, and the narration during her death says, in no uncertain terms, that no one taught her to hate but herself.
*** Just prior to ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', there was a one-shot published that seemed to insinuate that Terra's psychotic behavior was the result of being drugged by Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}} (ala his kidnapping and brainwashing of [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2000}} Cassandra Cain]]).
* ArcFatigue:
** ''ComicBook/TitansHunt'', a complex and long story. It began with their members being kidnapped and Deathstroke hired to rescue them. Then we get a new villain society, a cheap Wolverine expy, a flying sheet, an unneeded trip to Russia, Cyborg turned into a complete robot, a new team of Titans from the future trying to kill Troia, and so on, and so on...
** ''The Culling'' in the ''ComicBook/New52''. The book's first 8 issues (most of a year) were built to get to this crossover with ''Legion Lost'', and at the end they don't even manage to defeat the bad guy.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: These periodically show up every few years or so. Some went over better than other.
** The Wolfman Era:
*** Kory was forced into a political marriage during Crisis on Infinite Earths, but after she returned to Earth to be with the man she loved (Dick Grayson), her marriage was ultimately explained to be a glorified peace treaty and not a "traditional" marriage, presumably because the iconic Dick and Kory relationship being an act of adultery was a bit too much.
** The Johns' era.
*** John Bryne's unpopular erasure of the Doom Patrol's past was undone thanks to a battle with Superboy Prime.
*** Resurrecting Jerico with his original, pre HeelFaceTurn personality.
*** Both Rose Wilson and Cassandra Cain's bouts of insanity were explained away by Deathstroke drugging them during Johns final arc on the title, with Cassandra restored during it.
*** Cutting down on the number of mentor titans after fans complained and making Robin the leader of the team post One Year Later.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Several major female characters introduced under Marv Wolfman's pen have become this for lurching back and forth between sympathetic moral ambiguity and straight-up CartoonishSupervillainy, which leaves fans arguing about [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation how these characters should be interpreted]] and where they fall on the SlidingScaleOfAntagonistVileness.
*** Tara "Terra" Markov, whose HeelFaceTurn quickly became a "personal project" of Garfield Logan's. Despite her abrasive Too Cool for School attitude and ''very'' dubious backstory, she was determined to insinuate herself within the ranks of the Titans and learn everything she could about them, which was a blatant red flag for everyone not named Garfield. On the other hand, as she would sporadically open up to the Titans herself, whenever she ''did'' receive the trust of her allies, notably Kid Flash and Cyborg, she was always subject to surprisingly innocent disbelief. She tread that fine line until ''Comicbook/TheJudasContract'', which saw her make good on her spying as both a traitor and ''Deathstroke's bedmate'' (contrasting her newly romantic intimacy with Garfield). During the final showdown, the sight of Slade ([[DemonicPossession apparently]]) betraying her inspires her to go JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and [[PersonOfMassDestruction she brings the house down]]... inadvertently on herself. Even in the midst of the narrative and some WordOfGod accusing her of being both pure evil and crazy, there's still a very distinct element of a lost little girl looking for love. Hell, her sympathetic traits resulted in her being so popular that the fan perception of her FaceHeelTurn led to death threats against the creative team.
*** Raven, who famously struggled to fight off her father's evil influence, only to inevitably collapse under the pressure and become evil herself. The interesting issue is that both major incarnations of "Evil Raven" are actually ''different characters''. The first is the SoullessShell of Raven's body serving as one of Trigon's PeoplePuppets, and serves as Trigon's herald (Raven's real personality in the form of her soul-self was absent); the second was Raven's soul-self after undergoing TheCorruption and becoming a DepravedBisexual and {{Horny Devil|s}}, whose plan was to bring her deceased brethren back to life by essentially impregnating victims with "Trigon Seeds" -- soon, Raven's plans expanded to include using the alien Psions to assault and ultimately ''destroy'' the planet of Tamaran. It was eventually revealed that this second Evil Raven was being vaguely manipulated and ultimately defeated by a leftover "good" portion of Raven's soul hiding in Kory's body (who forgave her after all was said and done).
*** Cheshire, who is notable for being a starker, more extreme take on the pattern established by Terra. Cheshire was a mercenary, in a LoveTriangle with both Slade and one of the Titans (Roy Harper, in this case), with a confused but poignant moral streak[[note]]Taking contracts to incite racial conflict and then sabotaging her clients, her attachment to Roy as the father of her child and the man who raised her -- Family, if not "love", was a big thing with early Cheshire[[/note]]... who then gets a big arc in the pages of ''Deathstroke'' with both men in her LoveTriangle, in which she also goes JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope during the climax, and nukes the nation of Qurac to prove she can be one of the "big players".
*** It should be noted here that early commentary by Wolfman indicates Terra was cast as the true villain of The Judas Contract to make his CreatorsPet Deathstroke look better, which given the similarities seems to have been the same motivation behind Cheshire's behavior in the 90s. Gail Simone, a later writer, takes the position that the Qurac bombing indicates Cheshire is a sociopath who loves her children so long as it's useful to her.
** Cassie Sandsmark/Wonder Girl II. Many like her, others outright hate her. There's no middle ground.
** Bunker from the New 52 Titans - some hate him for his too-perfect attitude, but many others claim that at least he wasn't an asshole like everyone else at the time.
*** Same goes for his friend Skitter.
** Damian Wayne, the current Robin, both the pre-Flashpoint and Rebirth era with some liking him and others hating him. It's not helped by the fact that he's considered a BaseBreakingCharacter in ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' as well.
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* CommonKnowledge: Thanks to the [[AdaptationDisplacement animated series]] introducing an entire generation to the Teen Titans, many fans will commonly refer to the main five characters used in the show (Robin, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven and Beast Boy) as being the "classic" lineup. This despite the fact that this core lineup has ''never actually existed'' outside animation -- the only time all five members were on the team together was in the early Wolfman-Perez era, and even then it had Wonder Girl and Kid Flash on top of that. In reality, the Teen Titans have had [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters dozens of different members]] that would go in and out, and there would be entire runs without any of the "Big Five". Even when DC brought back the Teen Titans to capitalize on the show, the lineup was ''still'' different what it portrayed (It started with Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy, and it had a Robin -- but that was Tim Drake, and it also featured Superboy, Kid Flash II, and Wonder Girl II on top of that). It's so ingrained in the minds of the public that stories that ''don't'' feature close recreations of this lineup will inevitably be criticized for it.
* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/DCUniverse here]].
* CreatorsPet:
** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only person who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character".
*** As a tip, in a series about costumed superheroes with codenames, whose fans presumably enjoy reading about costumed superheroes with codenames, having a character who continually goes on about how lame costumes and codenames are and how he's too cool for a costume or codename probably isn't going to go down too well.
*** It also hurt that Marv Wolfman had no idea how to write a telekinetic to complement the Titans' diverse power set. Chase's powers were mainly shown to be (at best) extremely limited: at best he could levitate himself (but only while sitting Indian-style) and throw small objects around at bad guys to annoy them. Jean Grey he wasn't; this combined with his wussy behavior during combat, made him practically useless in battle. As bad as Cypher was power-wise, at least he had training in hand-to-hand combat and was willing to take a bullet for his teammates when necessary.
*** Ironically, he also happens to be [[Creator/LewisLovhaug Lewis "Linkara" Lovhaug's]] favorite superhero, and was name-dropped as one of the major reasons he cares so much about characters getting killed off in comics in his ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'' review of ''ComicBook/HeroesInCrisis''.
** Deathstroke was also Wolfman's Creator's Pet for most of his run. When George Perez left ''The New Teen Titans'', Wolfman had free reign over Deathstroke's character, and it seemed that he had no objectivity where he was concerned. In a very jarring, sudden turn of events, Deathstroke became a KarmaHoudini for his actions, his [[CharacterizationMarchesOn earlier characterization forgotten]] and now established as an AntiVillain who bore the Titans no ill will[[note]](When Perez was still on the title, Deathstroke blamed the Titans for his son's death and took very clear, visible pleasure in setting them up to be betrayed and murdered)[[/note]] turned AntiHero, being EasilyForgiven and becoming a father-figure and ''friend'' of the Titans, including his biggest victims Nightwing, Changeling, and his own son Jericho who was rendered mute because of him. Wolfman has also stated repeatedly that he never saw Deathstroke as a villain, but as a victim of circumstance stuck in a bad situation, whose actions (including [[UnfortunateImplications sleeping with a teenage girl]]) weren't truly his fault.
** Wolfman made extensive use of The Wildebeest, giving him had no less than three personal arcs, but the Wildebeest's design was an absolute favorite of editor Jordan Peterson's, who wanted Wildebeest to figure both into the tenth anniversary event that became Titans Hunt and even have a Wildebeest character join the heroes.
** The second ComicBook/WonderGirl, Cassie Sandsmark, was felt to be this after she became team leader in ''Teen Titans'' volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a {{Jerkass}} to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the older and more experienced Gar was demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.
* CryForTheDevil: Persuader, when she's finally reunited with her father and he's killed by Clock King right in front of her.
* DesignatedVillain: Steve Dayton in the opening of ''Burning Rage'' #4, for having closed his ''privately-owned'' theme park to allow the main characters (his son Garfield Logan and friends) free use of it for Gar's birthday... and for shutting everybody else out. Now, while the guy could've handled how he closed the park better -- it's ambiguous whether his refund of the already paid-for tickets was decided on the spot or automatic -- it was [[DisproportionateRetribution entirely out of line]] for [[DesignatedHero Starfire]] to knock the front gates down to let the crowds storm in, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality because she doesn't like 'bullies']]. Forget Steve Dayton "[[DissonantSerenity not appreciating]]" Starfire's actions, Starfire's lucky [[HeroInsurance he didn't slap her with a lawsuit]].
* DieForOurShip:
** Beast Boy (Changeling)/Raven vs. Beast Boy/Terra (or Terra II). Fans of the former hated there being a second Terra so much that they actively wished death on the character (they got their wish). Fans of the latter still clung to the hope that Raven would be deep-sixed for even the third Terra, citing that she would make "more sense", getting them hate from [[LesYay Terra III/Power Girl]] fans. After both later Terras were written out of continuity, the shipping competition has since been reset to being between the first Terra and Raven.
** A great deal of self-shippers with Jinx wish to see Kid Flash die.
** Barbara Gordon for the Dick Grayson/Starfire shippers. Within ''Titans'' comics, Starfire is portrayed as his one true love... just as Barbara is over in the ''Batman'' comics. And from the 90s onwards, Dick was branded and written as ''much'' more of a Batman character [[note]]his solo series regularly crossed over with the other Bat-books and he would eventually take on the role of Batman, appearing in ''several'' Batman ongoings[[/note]]. To say that pairing's shippers are not happy is putting it mildly.
* DorkAge:
** TheNineties hit the Titans like a truck, and then backed up to rub it in. The franchise was swollen with difficulties until about 1998, when it finally decided to start RevisitingTheRoots and sprouted off both The Titans and ''ComicBook/YoungJustice''.
*** Between the [[KudzuPlot immense tangle of plot threads]] that [[PlotTumor erupted from the infamous "Titans Hunt" storyline]] and [[FourLinesAllWaiting clogged up the last six years of Wolfman's seminal run]], the [[WereStillRelevantDammit cringe-worthy attempts at being cool]], the [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece quickly outdated fashions]] and [[NinetiesAntiHero obnoxiously cynical attitudes]], and the editorial wrangling and {{Shocking Swerve}}s that yanked core characters in and out of the lineup, the inevitable GainaxEnding of the Wolfman run was something of a mercy killing.
*** The new [[ComicBook/TheAtom Atom-led]] team of [[AlienEpisode H'sann Natall hybrid teenagers]] (from ''Teen Titans Vol. 2'', succeeding Wolfman's ''New Titans'') was very unpopular for [[SomethingCompletelyDifferent having essentially nothing to do]] with [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot old Titans characters or lore]] with only some old fringe elements (the Psions, Loren Jupiter, Omen) to tie it in.
** Many fans believe Geoff Johns helped derail the team into a longer-lasting era of poor quality, if not being the main cause. Opinions over this vary a lot more, and whether the Dork Age began in Johns' own run or not, but Felicia Henderson's part of Volume 3 is seldom ever liked.
** None have been yet so reviled as Deathstroke's team of mercenaries, under Eric Wallace and Fabrizio Fiorentino. Compared to the levels of {{Wangst}} and {{Gorn}} any previous book may have had, Wallace somehow managed to turn it UpToEleven.
** The New 52 Teen Titans are this ''in spades'', to the point of being mocked ''in-universe'' by other creators. The first series was cancelled two and half years into its run, incidentally also driving the final nail into DC's Young Justice line, which at one point included teen heroes from three different comic universes. Unlikable characters, a lack of consistent pacing and logic, excessive fight scenes, ExecutiveMeddling, enough dropped subplots and characters to drive even die-hard fans away, drastic changes to once popular characters that turned them toxic, and just weird creative choices (such as incorporating elements of Grant Morrison's ''ComicBook/DoomPatrol'' for some reason, but only on a superficial level) has this era branded as one of the worst in Titans history. It was relaunched with a new creative team, but this series didn't fair much better, for the same reasons as the first, and limped along until ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', when a new ''Teen Titans'' series was launched. Said series implicitly references the New 52 Teen Titans and jabs at how much they sucked.
** The New 52 era was also a big Dork Age for the original Teen Titans. The only characters who initially existed were Nightwing and Arsenal, and Arsenal had his own problems, and it was explicitly said that this team did not exist as the Teen Titans. Garth would later be introduced as an infant, meaning he wouldn't be in any shape to be Aqualad or Tempest... before being reintroduced ''again'' as a racist Atlantean. Donna Troy was reintroduced as a man-hating version of Wonder Woman who was ''killed''. And Wally West was reintroduced years down the line as a {{Race Lift}}ed 13-year-old delinquent with essentially none of the traits of the original Wally and loads of UnfortunateImplications surrounding his character. Needless to say, none of these changes were popular, and the original generation of Titans got the shaft big time. Dan Abnett would later Retcon the hell out of the team, saying that there ''was'' an original Teen Titans, and removing the negatively received traits of Garth and Donna, while ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' would bring back the Pre-New 52 Wally West.
** The Ben Percy run on ''Rebirth''-era ''Teen Titans'' is also frequently considered this, which started with Damian ''kidnapping'' his teammates and demanding they join him, the Titans inexplicably tolerating his lousy attitude and treatment, a painfully flanderized version of Beast Boy, and Raven and [=NuWally=] being StrangledByTheRedString.
* DracoInLeatherPants:
** Deathstroke and the original Terra mostly share this reception.
** The '80s villain Eric Forrester has also gotten this treatment from a few fans and fanworks, despite the fact that he only wanted the power of Raven's soul-self and didn't really love her, as well as attempting to rape her. His supporters use the in-story reasoning that Eric was trying to save his humanity with his using of women for their souls, while turning him into a misunderstood nice guy that should date Raven.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Beast Boy, Kid Devil, Miss Martian and Ravager, especially in the 2000s books.
* FanNickname: [[Manga/{{Berserk}} Femto]] for New 52 Raven.
* FandomRivalry: With the ''Batman'' fandom over Nightwing. A big part of it comes from the shipping wars regarding whether Dick should be with Starfire or Barbara Gordon, but beyond that, it's the idea of what kind of character Dick should be and what the Titans mean for his character. Some like the idea of Dick finally separating himself from Batman to become his own hero with the Titans, being the kind of hero Batman isn't in the wider DCU. Others like the idea of Dick finding himself with the Titans, then returning to the Batfamily and being recognised as Bruce's greatest ally and true heir.
* FanonDiscontinuity: While there are numerous examples, one that stands out in particular is the case regarding ''Titans'' #23 by Eddie Berganza, which acted as the final issue before Eric Wallace took over. Primarily a filler issue, it basically rewrote the Fab Five's friendship as a case of Roy being a nuisance they barely put up, while also revealing he had asked Donna to marry him. However, a premonition from Lilith Clay warning Donna that her redheaded husband would die led to Donna turning him down. Also, the Titans apparently knew beforehand about Roy's heroin addiction and once found him strung out in his Speedy costume before Robin told him "get help or get out." This issue blatantly ignored everything about the Fab Five when they were younger and it was clear Eddie Berganza had no idea what he was doing, or most likely it's a case of they needed to fill the gap before the new direction. Nearly every fan of the Titans and of the Fab Five choose to pretend this story never happened. It was just that bad.
* FoeYay: Cheshire with both Roy Harper, the first Speedy, and Thomas Blake, aka Catman. She once propositioned Catman during a battle, not long after having hired two hit squads after him.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: A recurring lament of the fanbase is the franchise perennially de-aging the Titans regulars to keep them attached to the title, but this goes back at least as far as ''The New Teen Titans'', which knocked the Changeling down a few years to become the junior member of the team, despite this series taking place "a few years" after his Titans appearances in the 60s and 70s, where he's indicated to be their peer.
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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Thia, the evil [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Titan]] of the sun, redesigned herself as a powerful businesswoman, as seen in ''ComicBook/TheOriginOfLilith''. She had a firm named "Sun publishing Inc.". This firm has absolutely no relation with the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Publishing_Company Sun Publishing Company]], and nobody implies that this later company is led by an evil witch that sets people on fire at a whim.
** In ''Titans: Sell-Out Special'', the Titans realise that someone has done an animated TV show about them titled ''Teeny Titans''. [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Eleven years later...]] or [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo twenty-one years later...]]
** One of the groomsmen at Donna and Terry's wedding, named as Randolph, vaguely resembles [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark another Randolph]] who debuted nearly thirteen years after the comic was released.
* InNameOnly: The New 52 team gets accusations like this for some of its characters.
** Wonder Girl had zero connection to Wonder Woman until her father was revealed to be demigod from the Greek pantheon. She's completely unaware of this, though, so there's still no reason why she calls herself Wonder Girl beyond trademark purposes.
** Solstice received an overhaul that rendered her unrecognizable and left her with vague energy and shadow based powers. This despite being a brand new character.
** The New 52 version of Tim Drake is probably the most recent and biggest example of this for fans. For instance, his main role in the book is to be the expo speak guy who's a blatant {{Expy}} of Nightwing from the classic series, including the latter's Casanova approach towards women and winged costume. He also now has "Tim Drake" as an assumed name after being an idiot and bringing the Penguin's wrath down on his family, he didn't figure out who Batman was, has almost no down-to-earth ties anymore, and largely acts like a stupider, less sensitive parody of his former character. Instead of being a computer genius, his backstory was also tweaked to have him as a former athlete (which some believe furthers the Nightwing similarity, as Dick was an acrobat).
** And then we learn the origin of Bart Allen [[spoiler: a.k.a. "Bar Torr", a villainous and murderous revolutionary from the future with no connection to the Flash Family at all]]. To say that fans of Impulse were pissed would put it lightly.
* ItWasHisSled: Terra being TheMole, and her general [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] nature. That arc is one of the most well-remembered arcs in the comics run, one of the most influential arcs in comic book history, and it helped make the series so popular in the 80s. When a [[ComicBook/TinyTitans kids comic]] spoils this in the characters first appearance, you know that its his sled. The cartoon adaptation helped renew this spoiler, thanks to Terra's popularity (though ''that'' Terra was [[BrokenBird vastly different from]] [[PsychoForHire the original Terra]]).
* JustHereForGodzilla: The third ''Titans'' ongoing features the original Wally West, returned after not ''existing'' for the entirety of the New 52, ''and'' he has memories of the Pre-Flashpoint timeline. Needless to say, he's probably why ''Titans'' sells as well as it does.
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Raven, who has had ships of various quality with Wally West, Joseph Wilson, Dick Grayson, [[DepravedBisexual Koriand'r]], Garfield Logan, and been shipped with numerous other Titans besides.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Osiris' killing of the Persuader was an accident. He tried justifying the death of Ryan Choi and everyone else he's killed as trying to bring his sister and Black Adam back. But now he freely admits that he enjoys violence and is just as bad as everyone accused him of being.
** Superboy-Prime becoming full-on evil again after Headcase accidentally takes him away from Prime Earth. This nullifies any redemption he could have had in ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' and solidifies his CompleteMonster status.
* MyRealDaddy:
** It's widely agreed that Devin Grayson (and ''maybe'' Brad Meltzer) is the only writer in recent years who ever really understood not just Roy's character, but Lian's as well.
** The creative team of Marv Wolfman and George Perez for the Titans in general. They didn't create the team but they did propel the Titans to the greatest height of their popularity, which was no less than DC's # 1 selling title. And, although they did not create the team itself, they created Raven, Cyborg, Starfire, the Nightwing persona of Dick Grayson, the Troia persona of Donna Troy, Jericho, Deathstroke, H.I.V.E., Terra, Brother Blood, Trigon, Azarath, Cheshire, the "T" shaped building... can you really imagine the group ''without'' a number of those characters or concepts being around?
* {{Narm}}:
** Lian Harper's funeral. The entire superhero community shows up, in their brightly colored costumes.
** Harvest. It's hard to take a "Darkseid level threat" seriously when his plans are transparently idiotic.
** The first issue of the New 52 series has Tim holding a picture of him and Bruce swinging through Gotham. It looks cool, until you question how he even got that picture. Seriously, did they pose for it? It outright ''looks'' like a comic book cover.
* NeverLiveItDown:
** Roy's heroin abuse, which was only present for one issue of Green Arrow and then followed by him going cold turkey. It doesn't help that following Lian's death he's gone back to using it.
** While there are ''many'' reasons to snark about how bad Eric Wallace's run was, absolutely no one is ever going to forget how Cinder burned off a man's dick with her vagina. It also doesn't help that this is probably the ''only'' interesting thing about Cinder.
** Terry Long (Donna Troy's husband during Marv Wolfman's run) is frequently accused of being a creep trying making passes at other girls, but the closest he ever actually came to that was when he suggested to Donna that she make Kory a regular model... and that was [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness really early in the run]]. For the remainder of his 80s appearances, he's pretty obviously devoted to Donna.
* OneSceneWonder: Lord Damyn ([[TheMagnificent High of Highs, Best of Best]]) is a supporting character who only ever appears in two issues (#24 and #25) of ''The New Teen Titans''. [[LaughablyEvil He]] [[NotSoHarmlessVillain makes]] quite [[NiceHat an]] [[CloudCuckoolander impression,]] [[ImAHumanitarian though.]]
* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: An odd case with any Teen Titans team formed with members of the [=YJ4=] (Tim Drake, Bart Allen, Cassie Sandsmark, and Conner Kent): Creator/PeterDavid's ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' book did not create any of these characters, but he wrote their initial interactions, chemistry, and helped introduce a huge number of fans to them and comics. Especially Wonder Girl; Cassie was TheScrappy to a large number of people until Peter David made her popular enough to [[EnsembleDarkhorse win a fan held election for leader.]] If you look at the entries on this page for Geoff Johns, you can see part of the problem.
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* TheScrappy:
** Danny Chase. Not only did he actually look like CousinOliver, but ''everyone'' hated him. He mocked Jason Todd's death (in front of Dick Grayson, Jason's adopted brother) and his sole Crowning Moment of Anything was his own death.
** Terry Long, for being considerably older than Donna, coming off as creepy, and his tendency to make blatant passes at her friends. He actually became even more of a JerkAss in the '90s, before he was killed off in John Byrne's run of Wonder Woman.
** The Team Titans, for being a failed ''ComicBook/XForce'' CaptainErsatz stuffed with CListFodder; by ''ComicBook/ZeroHourCrisisInTime'', all but ''two'' were RetGone with only Terra II and Mirage remaining. Mirage in particular is disliked by Dick/Kory fans due to Mirage being a bizarre {{Yandere}}, kidnapping Kory and using her shapeshifting to subject Dick Grayson to a BedTrick, and then, after the real Kory is freed, using her shapeshifting to pose nude as Kory for an adult magazine.
** Cassandra Sandsmark, she came off like a raging AlphaBitch after her boyfriend's death. It's worse when you remember that she started out as her school's lovable geek. Her New 52 version has similar controversy, but is also hated for being a thief, being "overtly sexualized" and having her connection with Wonder Woman only recognizeable to readers of Wondie's book (she's the daughter of Diana's half-brother, i.e. the niece of Wonder Woman, though neither of them know about it as of now).
*** Once Conner returned to the series (before the reboot), you think she wouldn't have had much reason to keep lashing out at her teammates, but some writers felt differently. Under Johns' (ironically) and others' pens since Conner's return, she had been portrayed positively and having gotten over her grief. But other writers, especially in the case of Felicia Henderson, had continued to portray her as an angry shrew, who even goes as far as to treat her back-from-the-dead boyfriend like crap (eventually leading to their breakup).
** Prysm, a member of Dan Jurgens' volume 2 team, isn't very liked by some classic fans due to coming off too naive and stereotypically feminine, spoiled, and her visual appeal mostly coming from the fact that she was nude all the time.
** Fringe from the above run is also hated, for lacking personality and never being as developed. Unlike Prysm, it's hard to find fans that can tolerate him.
** Minion from Wolfman's ''New Titans'' is either hated or ignored by most fans due to the fact that he came in during a DorkAge, and that he seemed to be pushed in as a cool new teenage character but lacked interesting traits.
** Bombshell was widely disliked by a number of fans during her brief tenure on the team. She was criticized for having very little personality and was accused of trying to ape the characterization of the recently departed fan favorite Ravager. The fact that she was a MotorMouth and a JerkAss didn't do much to help her standing with fans.
** Deathstroke's Titans team qualifies for this status as well. They are even more so ignored than Fringe and Minion, who are at least mentioned in nostalgic regard when discussing the past Titans team, whereas Slade's team of mercenaries is completely ignored save for when someone is mentioning a member that was already a Titan (Roy, Osiris) or associated with the group (Cheshire, Deathstroke). Anything beyond that is liable to be overly critical ranting about how much that run on the book sucked.
** The [=DEOrphans=], a group of metahuman kids from the DEO, were hated even more than the unpopular Titans. This was because they got in the way of the Titans' screentime and that they were simply useless at fighting or doing much to advance the plot. Their presence also caused the "Epsilon" arc to be heavily rewritten, and a bunch of other planned stories had been thrown out.
** Pantha and Baby Wildebeest had received hate and ridicule for being "awful '90s characters" from various fans, although their deaths in Infinite Crisis showed them to be more on the BaseBreakingCharacter side, as many other fans decried their horrible fate.
** Flamebird. After the first Crisis, the original Bat-Girl no longer existed and Barbara Gordon was deemed to be the original. When Marv Wolfman and George Perez decided to revamp the Titans West team for the Post-Crisis origins of the Teen Titans, Betty Kane was reintroduced as Mary Elizabeth (''"Bette"'') Kane, now with the codename Flamebird and a ValleyGirl with [[StalkerWithACrush a strong desire to get the affections and praise of Nightwing in any way]]. As Wolfman had no love for the Titans West save for Lilith and Changeling, the portrayals of the revamped versions, ESPECIALLY Bette, earned them spots high on the Titans "Scrappy" list. Flamebird wound up as a ButtMonkey-type character for years to come, even though some writers attempted to make her seem more interesting through [[InformedAbility "depths"]] in her origin (stating her physical prowess and skills that rarely seemed to be reflected). Geoff Johns started a more streamlined take on the character in the ''Beast Boy'' mini-series, and it seemed that Greg Rucka was attempting [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap to revise her into a much more competent heroine]]. The ComicBook/New52 pressed the ResetButton via the ''Batwoman'' series, as Bette now lost most of her established history (and previous upgrade), making her come off nearly TooStupidToLive and get mutilated by an enemy. She's later appeared to have gone back on track to a darker and more serious revamp in her costume, but time will tell if this change is successful.
** Golden Eagle was initially hated for being a shoe-horned attempt to give Hawkman a sidekick and knockoff in the Pre-Crisis era, and was hated Post-Crisis for being a slacker surfer-type guy who'd only fight if it could get him women and attention. [[AlasPoorScrappy He got a little sympathy after being killed off]], but after Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray retconned his death and revealed him to be a {{Jerkass}}-type villain with a grudge against Hawkman, fans had new reason to despise the guy (or the direction he was taken in).
* SeasonalRot:
** The renewal of the original series, once it stopped being about a team of superheroes and [[GenreShift started being about a team of secret agent ex-superheroes]] (the Titans were pressured to quit heroics because [[MyGreatestFailure they failed to stop a celebrity peacemaker from getting shot]]), which lasted until they finally decided to get back into costume again. During the very last death-throes of the series there was a three-issue arc that introduced [[WestCoastTeam Titans West]], which wasn't enough to stave of cancellation.
** The Wolfman run suffered from this after George Perez departed as this sent a number of shockwaves throughout the book, including a huge increase in Wangst, repeated arcs, Deathstroke being EasilyForgiven, and the much reviled [[CreatorsPet Danny]] [[TheScrappy Chase]].
** Then came the dawn of the 90s; newly promoted editor Jonathan Peterson had come to the opinion that the current state of the Titans was too boring, too episodic, and had too many characters (especially the long-forgotten Golden Eagle), and so he had Wolfman start the 10th anniversary of his ''New Teen Titans'' run with the long, difficult to follow "ComicBook/TitansHunt" arc and the book began self-destructing, with [[{{Irony}} a ton of uninteresting and/or unlikable new characters being introduced]], loads of 90s clichés, chaotic storytelling and art, and tons of [[ShockingSwerve Shocking Swerves.]] After Cyborg got PutOnABusToHell, the book was left in shambles, with the team constantly changing and being interrupted by crossovers. By the end, many felt the ending to the run was a MercyKill.
** The 2003-2011 run, while it became the second-longest run for the team, also suffered from this. While the Johns run caused a BrokenBase in the fanbase, most notably ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' fans felt their favourite superheroes were derailed for the purpose of "graduating" them to the Titans, several fans enjoyed the return of the book's original title and cast, but the novelty wound up wearing off fairly quickly, with the first 25 or so issues from that run being divisive at best. The book's quality went even further downhill with the ''One Year Later'' portion, after which Johns left the book. Not helping matters was how ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' seemingly made the Titans "[[CListFodder the heroes that it's okay to kill]]", further contributing to the team's fluctuating membership. The remainder of the series proved to be a slow decline, with characters being offed for no reason, being pointlessly DarkerAndEdgier (including an infamous story where a demonic Wonder Dog mauled the Wonder Twins leading to backlash from comics sites), [[TookALevelInJerkass characters acting like assholes]] for no reason, and the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot few usable plotlines being wasted]]. The run ended with issue 100 and was replaced by the ''ComicBook/New52'' run, which unfortunately became a huge DorkAge of the title.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The Wolfman/Perez run gets a lot of this for modern readers. At the time, its focus on actual arcs and character development and dynamics made it indisputably one of DC's most successful books and helped modernize the company's storytelling considerably, giving it a fighting chance against Marvel in the later Bronze Age. Modern readers tend to wonder what all the fuss was about, comparing it unfavorably to later books with similar formulas, or even comics like Claremont's ''X-Men'' that were running at the same time. Few will acknowledge that George Perez's artwork was anything less than excellent, though.
* StrangledByTheRedString:
** Donna Troy and Lilith Clay had rather spontaneous and episodic interests in other heroes and characters in the original series, with drama between Donna Troy and either Wally, Roy, and even Hank Hall, with Donna's own interest largely flip-flopping between them. Lilith Clay had some very suddenly deep connections with Mal and even Gnarrk after their arrivals.
** A not infrequent occurrence of some of Wolfman's writing in ''New Teen Titans''. Examples include:
*** Wally and Raven, which started when Raven surreptitiously ''forced'' Wally to want to join the Teen Titans by subjecting him to some light BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood, though she admitted to some completely un-foreshadowed romantic interest for him on her own part.
*** Donna Troy and Terry Long, who were already in a relationship by the time NTT started, despite her competing interests in other heroes in the 60s and 70s.
** Tim Drake ([[Comicbook/{{Robin}} Robin III]]) and Cassie Sandsmark ([[ComicBook/WonderGirl Wonder Girl II]]). Given the fact that they had a very platonic interaction before the hookup, that Wonder Girl was the girlfriend of Robin's dead best friend ComicBook/{{Superboy}}, and the reason they kissed in the first place was due to mutual mourning of said person... yeah, it was definitely a trainwreck. Fans of both Wonder Girl and Robin sighed a collective breath of relief when the pairing ended.
** ...Though the return of the subplot in the New 52 only reignited the fan rage. To the series credit, the first few issues did establish UnresolvedSexualTension between the two and succeeding issues suggested that the romance would be approached slowly and with an organic approach. Then [[AssPull issue #17 happened]]. First, [[DoggedNiceGuy Tim Drake]] kissed Solstice from out of nowhere, even though he knows she's in a relationship with Kid Flash. Then, on the next page, it's heavily implied [[ChasteHero he]] and Wonder Girl have sex, and have had sex before. And the last page reveals that [[BrainwashedAndCrazy something's very wrong with Tim]]. Later issues reveal that Trigon was manipulating him, but the writer tried to write the situation under the rug by saying he was only enhancing Tim's desires. Unfortunately, that still meant he took a famously chaste hero like Tim, forced him to have sex under the influence (ie. rape) with his LoveInterest, and then to add salt to the wound, Wonder Girl was then shown trying to get with Superboy (probably her most popular suitor) to get past the fling, Solstice promptly forgot the whole event, and everyone was written poorly for seven or eight more issues before they were cancelled.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: The evil alternate Kid Flash during ''ComicBook/TheTerrorOfTrigon'' pointed out that, although they had so much UnresolvedSexualTension, Wally West was so undecided that he would never enjoy the warm kisses of Raven. And he was right.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ''Titans'' becoming a villain-driven book about a team of mercenaries led by Deathstroke. The reviews for the series before the change had already been poor, but after Eric Wallace and Fabrizio Fiorentino took over, the book found its way on many "Worst Comics of 2010" lists. One common complaint was the death of Ryan Choi.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Deathstroke's mercenary team of Titans were described by writer Eric Wallace as being bad people, but it's clear that the majority of the team was supposed to be seen as tragic and sympathetic due to their horrible backstories and the recent series of traumas that pushed them into the team. This included Cheshire and Tattooed Man losing their respective child, Osiris being haunted by the man he accidentally killed to protect his sister, and the years of sexual abuse and SurvivorsGuilt Cinder suffered from. However, any sympathy these characters might have gained was instantly crushed by the team's first actual appearance when they brutally slaughtered [[TheAtom Ryan Choi]], followed by Osiris's gradual transformation into a self-centered brat and Cinder stupidly letting a serial child rapist free because she rushed her attempt to murder him. The only member of the team who managed to retain any sense of sympathy from fans was [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Roy Harper]], who was not a part of Ryan's death and had the distinction of being manipulated by both Deathstroke ''and'' Cheshire. It helps that readers were still ''majorly'' pissed off at how poorly Roy was being handled after ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' and ''Rise of Arsenal''.
** Another Titans example would have to be Cassandra Sandsmark and Tim Drake during the "One Year Later" storylines. Understandably the two are still reeling from Superboy's death, but Cassandra began to sorely grate the nerves of the readers because she TookALevelInJerkass and became an insufferable, bitter asshole. Tim came across as more sympathetic in his grief especially since the writers were deliberately ignoring parts of his backstory (like the stepmother who was nowhere to be found after his dad died), but then he became involved in a {{Wangst}} fueled on/off relationship with Cassandra that ultimately went nowhere. But what ultimately made the two unsympathetic was their constant zigzagging with Rose Wilson in the Titans, either accepting her as one of their own or viewing her as the team's token psycho and badmouthing her behind her back. In fact, Rose left the team and briefly allied herself with the new Clock King when she heard Tim and Cass profess she was a lost cause. This is all despite knowing very well that Rose's FaceHeelTurn was not of her choosing, but because her father pumped her full of drugs and drove her insane
** Yet another would be in the New 52. In an incident that was ''obviously'' supposed to garner sympathy for the character, Bunker used his psionic bricks to slam an UngratefulBastard against a brick wall, because said bastard was ungrateful for being saved by Bunker and Beast Boy, because they "looked like a bunch of..." While Bunker was pissed that he was going to use a homophobic slur (Bunker is gay himself), literally nothing implies he was. So instead of Bunker attacking someone over a slur, which still would've been a little much, he's attacking a guy over something ''he didn't even do, with no implication that he was going to do it.''
* VindicatedByHistory: Dan Jurgens' run was considered to be a DorkAge after the 16-year Wolfman run ended but nowadays has since been considered to be a good run held back by the fans' difficulty with accepting a group of entirely new characters carrying the title of such a beloved team.
* {{Wangst}}: A staple since the eighties. Wolfman made heavy use of EmotionsVsStoicism and LoveHurts... but as the years went by, it became increasingly apparent that there was no ''point'' to any of the ongoing personal conflict; all the drama was just to ensure the characters were never actually ''happy''. The characters spent time talking about their problems, but they never got around to solving them until it was either too late or Wolfman could hit them with a new permutation of the problem.
* WhatAnIdiot
** When Raven first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.\\
'''You'd expect''': that Raven simply clarifies that she is the daughter of Trigon. That he's pure evil, but she is not. She wouldn't be the first hero with an ArchnemesisDad, or the first [[BadPowersGoodPeople good person with bad powers]].\\
'''Instead''': She simply leaves, considers the JLA a hopeless case, and creates a new group instead, the Teen Titans. But even then...\\
'''Now you'd expect''': That she would explain things honestly this time.\\
'''Instead''': She keeps the Titans in the dark as much as she did with the JLA. And using her powers to make Kid Flash fall in love with her so that he joins the group is definitely [[NotHelpingYourCase not helping her case]].\\
'''Result:''' Both teams walk away from her when the truth comes to light. They only come back when Trigon is already here.
** Shimmer can change matter at will. She also says that she's not interested in fighting superheros, just to get rich.\\
'''You'd expect:''' that, with her power, she simply turns some mundane items into gold, some others into platinum, and some others into priceless jewels, and that's it: she's as rich as she may want to be.\\
'''Instead:''' She has such an awesome power... and wastes it in [[BankRobbery Bank Robberies]].
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical:
** "The Return of Donna Troy" has a discussion between Troia (a brainwashed evil conqueror at the time) and Athyns. Troia claimed that the aliens she was attacking had some dangerous universal weapon, which must be destroyed on behalf of the universe. Athyns pointed that they were not surrounded by any dangerous evil army but by poor people ravaged by war, and asked [[ArmorPiercingQuestion if they had such a weapon, why didn't they attempt to defend themselves with it]]. Athyns concluded, before starting to fight, that there is no such weapon and that the Titans of Myth have lied to her. Yes, you guessed it: the comic book was published at the time of the Iraq war.
** Exaggerated by the pseudo-Silver Age "Lost Annual", in which the Fab Five go to a distant planet to rescue one kidnapped President John F. Kennedy for his abilities to win a propaganda-heavy war against innocent natives. This is, of course, a version of John F. Kennedy who was actually a skilled diplomatist who was capable of ending wars, and it wasn't him but the alien body-double who was assassinated. (It only counts as "Not Political" because the Vietnam War -- which the RealLife JFK got America ''into'' -- wasn't mentioned directly).
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: When Raven first appeared, she could not have her Soul Self out of her body [[KryptoniteFactor for more than 5 minutes]]. One day, she failed to return to her body in time. The results were... [[MindScrew mind screwing]].
* TheWoobie:
** Kid Devil, who was on the team during the era of "One Year Later". He has the most pathetic back story prior to joining the team, and ends up getting the worst treatment after.
** JerkassWoobie: Yes, Roy Harper murdered a supervillain, turned his back on his friends, went back on heroin, and joined Deathstroke's mercenary team for the chance to kill Deathstroke. But considering that his right arm had been hacked off, was given a prosthetic which actually causes more pain and impairs his abilities as an archer, and his daughter, Lian, died, it's hard not to feel sorry for him. This is magnified by how out-of-character his friends and family acted during ''Rise of Arsenal'', and by how his joining Deathstroke's Titans was mainly due to Cheshire, Lian's mother, guilt tripping him into joining by saying that he "owed" her for Lian's death.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Beast Boy's historic pick of red and white colors for his outfits is sorely outdated, going all the way back to his early ''Comicbook/DoomPatrol'' days, which is where such a combination at least made sense as the team colors. But following his departure from the title, the colors stopped making sense for him, especially versions using lots of white. One of Beast Boy's main visual principles is the fact that he's ''[[AmazingTechnicolorPopulation bright green]]'', which by rights should be used as a contrast against his costume to draw attention to his face and potentially limbs, but white, being by definition the brightest color, has more contrast with everything, which draws attention ''away'' from Beast Boy's face. His black-and-purple outfits inspired by the cartoon tend to serve him much better by taking advantage of his bright green colors for said contrast.
** Special note must go to his tacky face-mask from his early Doom Patrol, which was simply ridiculous regardless of what combination of purple, black, and yellow it was using in any given issue.
** The problems of the red and white color combination were in full swing in the 80s, and his version of the outfit then also had a bizarre little square of red-on-white contrast just below his waist, which only served to draw audience eyes painfully close to Gar's crotch.
** In the 90s, Beast Boy decided to complement the 80s look with a deep black ''trench coat'' of all things. The poor boy was going through ADarkerMe phase.
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** This has caused problems with Starfire's reception as a character, as her cartoon self and her comic self are radically different, causing her comic-self to be widely disliked by a large number of fans who were introduced to the series through the show. While both Starfires are loving, affectionate [[ActionGirl action girls]] who are always there for their friends that's about where similarities end in terms of personality. Cartoon!Starfire is a NaiveNewcomer, FunnyForeigner, who speaks in somewhat broken English and [[FishOutOfWater has trouble fitting in due to her vastly different culture.]] Comic!Starfire is a [[BoisterousBruiser hot headed]] BruiserWithASoftCenter who is both a very liberated young lady who isn't nearly as shy or awkward as her cartoon self, speaks perfect English, as well as being very sexually active by American standards and is a major case of MsFanservice. She is also easily enraged and much more prone to violence than her cartoon self. When New 52 tried to emphasize [[InNameOnly her]] original incarnation's [[DarkerAndEdgier darker characteristics]] at least part of the backlash was from people who grew up with the cartoon counterpart, and were confused as to why she was so drastically different. [[note]] Other backlash was due to making her very one dimensional in attempt to make her edgy, giving her a costume that was somehow even MORE revealing than her original incarnation's, essentially just being there as eye-candy, and having Roy have sex with her despite her apparent amnesia.[[/note]] Also of note is her physical appearance. Her cartoon appearance portrayed her as a very skinny young woman with small, but still noticeable curves. Her original comic incarnation was ''so'' curvy that several other Titans affectionately and jokingly [[LampshadeHanging referred to her as]] [[InSeriesNickname "Balloon Bod."]]

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** This has caused problems with Starfire's reception as a character, as her cartoon self and her comic self are radically different, causing her comic-self to be widely disliked by a large number of fans who were introduced to the series through the show. While both Starfires are loving, affectionate [[ActionGirl action girls]] who are always there for their friends that's about where similarities end in terms of personality. Cartoon!Starfire Starfire from the cartoon is a NaiveNewcomer, FunnyForeigner, who speaks in somewhat broken English and [[FishOutOfWater has trouble fitting in due to her vastly different culture.]] Comic!Starfire Starfire from the comic is a [[BoisterousBruiser hot headed]] BruiserWithASoftCenter who is both a very liberated young lady who isn't nearly as shy or awkward as her cartoon self, speaks perfect English, as well as being very sexually active by American standards and is a major case of MsFanservice. She is also easily enraged and much more prone to violence than her cartoon self. When New 52 tried to emphasize [[InNameOnly her]] original incarnation's [[DarkerAndEdgier darker characteristics]] at least part of the backlash was from people who grew up with the cartoon counterpart, and were confused as to why she was so drastically different. [[note]] Other [[note]]Other backlash was due to making her very one dimensional in attempt to make her edgy, giving her a costume that was somehow even MORE revealing than her original incarnation's, essentially just being there as eye-candy, and having Roy have sex with her despite her apparent amnesia.[[/note]] Also of note is her physical appearance. Her cartoon appearance portrayed her as a very skinny young woman with small, but still noticeable curves. Her original comic incarnation was ''so'' curvy that several other Titans affectionately and jokingly [[LampshadeHanging referred to her as]] [[InSeriesNickname "Balloon Bod."]]



** Mas Y Menos, Sí Podemos! Despite being [[CanonForeigner original characters]] created only for the show and used mostly as comic relief, they were popular enough to end up [[CanonImmigrant in the comics.]]

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The show clearly thought that making Beast Boy the ButtMonkey was the same as making him TheChewToy but shot themselves in the foot by also making him TheWoobie whenever he had CharacterFocus, which gave him a series-long case of AngstWhatAngst and his fans loads and loads of angsty FanficFuel.

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** Raven and Beast Boy were always supposed to be purely platonic friends - PlatonicLifePartners at the most. Instead, especially in the third season, their interactions come off as almost a SlapSlapKiss-type budding romantic relationship, with Raven the {{tsundere}} and Beast Boy the DoggedNiceGuy. It's the biggest reason why they're the top FanPreferredCouple. (WordOfGod says they're supposed to be LikeBrotherAndSister. WordOfGod ALSO says they're supposed to be LikeAnOldMarriedCouple.)

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** Raven and Beast Boy were always supposed weren't meant to be purely platonic friends - PlatonicLifePartners at the most. Instead, especially a couple, but season three had them both share CharacterFocus in [[Recap/TeenTitansS3E6Spellbound a pair of]] [[Recap/TeenTitansS3E9TheBeastWithin emotionally intense episodes]], yielding accidental ShipTease in the third season, their interactions come off as almost a SlapSlapKiss-type budding romantic relationship, with process. The creators overcorrected for this in season four by [[AuthorOnBoard having Raven suddenly insist]] that her closest relationship was with ''Robin''[[note]]To drive the {{tsundere}} point home, the very end of "The End" features Raven giving TheGlomp to Robin and rejecting the same from Beast Boy[[/note]], which inadvertently diminished Robin's preexisting romance with Starfire and created a likewise unintentional LoveTriangle.
*** Even official statements by creative staff were unintentionally confusing--at a convention before season four, WordOfGod declared
Beast Boy and Raven were LikeBrotherAndSister and ''then'' LikeAnOldMarriedCouple in the DoggedNiceGuy. It's the biggest reason why they're the top FanPreferredCouple. (WordOfGod says they're supposed to be LikeBrotherAndSister. WordOfGod ALSO says they're supposed to be LikeAnOldMarriedCouple.)same conversation.
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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history in 2013.

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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only people person who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history in 2013.character".

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* CaptainObviousReveal: In "Trust", [[spoiler: it's pretty obvious that Madame Rouge was disguised as Hot Spot in the end, due to how "he" conveniently appeared ''without'' having his powers activated.]]

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** Nightstar, Robin/Nightwing and Starfire's daughter from ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', is quite popular and is the subject of many a NextGenFic. Funnily enough, however, given the show's popularity among younger demographics and casual viewers, most Nightstar fans don't seem to have read the comic (which is aimed towards older audiences) she originated from.

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** Some fans choose to ignore [[PostScriptSeason Season 5]], either entirely or up until the Ambiguous DownerEnding.
** The episode ''Deep Six'' gets this due to some fans viewing the Titans (Raven and Starfire, in particular) as acting out of character.
** Some fans would rather ignore ''The Beast Within'' due to the Titans' mean-spirited JerkassBall and the IdiotPlot.

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** The episode ''Deep Six'' "Deep Six" gets this due to some fans viewing the Titans (Raven and Starfire, in particular) as acting out of character.
** Some fans would rather ignore ''The "The Beast Within'' Within" due to the Titans' mean-spirited JerkassBall and the IdiotPlot.



* FandomSpecificPlot: There are many fanfics where Terra being a local school girl in one episode is explained. Usually it is that Terra had amnesia after being frozen in lava and started going to school in the city. There is always a Raven/Beast Boy/Terra love triangle. Another extremely common plot is to put them in a High School AU. Which is odd since the show was almost explicit that Terra was choosing to forget.

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** Nightstar, Robin/Nightwing and Starfire's daughter from ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', is quite popular and is the subject of many a NextGenFic. Funnily enough, however, given the show's popularity among younger demographics and casual viewers, most Nightstar fans don't seem to have read the comic (which is aimed towards older audiences) she originated from.

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* CompleteMonster:
** [[BigRedDevil Trigon the Terrible]], the ArchnemesisDad of ComicBook/{{Raven}}, is an interdimensional demonic overlord who reigns over an empire where [[AndIMustScream countless souls are kept in horrible bondage]]. Slaughtering the very cult responsible for his birth, including his mother, Trigon would go on to brutally conquer his entire dimension. Trigon has [[SerialRapist sired many children]] across the centuries, [[OffingTheOffspring destroying any]] who dare to oppose him. Seeking to expand his dominion to Earth, Trigon took the form of a handsome man and impregnated a woman named Arella, revealing his true form and taunting her afterwards. After his daughter Raven's birth, Trigon would make numerous attempts to subjugate her to his will. When she refused to join him, Trigon destroyed her home world, Azarath, before [[TheCorrupter corrupting Raven's soul]] and launching a campaign of destruction on Earth, forcing Raven to do battle with her own friends. During his [[ComicBook/TheTerrorOfTrigon invasion of Earth]], Trigon reduced the island of New York to a graveyard, fusing the bodies of four million inhabitants together as part of an ever-growing spire of writhing, tormented souls. Trigon ultimately intended to merge Earth with his own dimension, happily condemning billions of lives to annihilation. Willing to exterminate entire worlds to make an example, and with trillions of deaths to his name, Trigon is the most terrifying and wicked foe the Teen Titans have ever faced.
** [[ComicBook/DoomPatrol Captain Zahl]] battled the New Teen Titans when he and his army joined Madame Rouge's attempted conquest of Zandia. Under Zahl's direction his men massacred thousands of Zandia's expat inhabitants, and captured the Titans, subjecting them to the horrors of his Devolving Pit.
** In ComicBook/New52, [[BigRedDevil Trigon]] is a being born of celestial blasphemy who willingly absorbed the collected evils of a hundred galaxies contained within the Heart of Darkness to become a supremely powerful demonic overlord. To spread his evil, Trigon would pull women from various universes into his realm, [[SerialRapist rape them]], and send them back to their universes to give birth to his demonic spawn, often leading to the women's death. Through these means, Trigon brings about the ruination of countless worlds as his brood destroy everything in their path. Conceiving a daughter, ComicBook/{{Raven}}, with a human woman named Arella, [[ArchnemesisDad Trigon]] intends to [[TheCorrupter corrupt her]] into becoming his heir by having her cut a swathe of terror throughout his realm; aside from her, Trigon disregards his other offspring, considering them disappointments. Attacking New York City, Trigon and his sons wreak havoc, and even possesses the Teen Titans into turning on each other, all as part of a ploy to ingratiate Raven into the Titans and allow her to conquer Earth in his name.

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** [[BigRedDevil Trigon the Terrible]], the ArchnemesisDad of ComicBook/{{Raven}}, is an interdimensional demonic overlord who reigns over an empire where [[AndIMustScream countless souls are kept in horrible bondage]]. Slaughtering the very cult responsible for his birth, including his mother, Trigon would go on to brutally conquer his entire dimension. Trigon has [[SerialRapist sired many children]] across the centuries, [[OffingTheOffspring destroying any]] who dare to oppose him. Seeking to expand his dominion to Earth, Trigon took the form of a handsome man and impregnated a woman named Arella, revealing his true form and taunting her afterwards. After his daughter Raven's birth, Trigon would make numerous attempts to subjugate her to his will. When she refused to join him, Trigon destroyed her home world, Azarath, before [[TheCorrupter corrupting Raven's soul]] and launching a campaign of destruction on Earth, forcing Raven to do battle with her own friends. During his [[ComicBook/TheTerrorOfTrigon invasion of Earth]], Trigon reduced the island of New York to a graveyard, fusing the bodies of four million inhabitants together as part of an ever-growing spire of writhing, tormented souls. Trigon ultimately intended to merge Earth with his own dimension, happily condemning billions of lives to annihilation. Willing to exterminate entire worlds to make an example, and with trillions of deaths to his name, Trigon is the most terrifying and wicked foe the Teen Titans have ever faced.
** [[ComicBook/DoomPatrol Captain Zahl]] battled the New Teen Titans when he and his army joined Madame Rouge's attempted conquest of Zandia. Under Zahl's direction his men massacred thousands of Zandia's expat inhabitants, and captured the Titans, subjecting them to the horrors of his Devolving Pit.
** In ComicBook/New52, [[BigRedDevil Trigon]] is a being born of celestial blasphemy who willingly absorbed the collected evils of a hundred galaxies contained within the Heart of Darkness to become a supremely powerful demonic overlord. To spread his evil, Trigon would pull women from various universes into his realm, [[SerialRapist rape them]], and send them back to their universes to give birth to his demonic spawn, often leading to the women's death. Through these means, Trigon brings about the ruination of countless worlds as his brood destroy everything in their path. Conceiving a daughter, ComicBook/{{Raven}}, with a human woman named Arella, [[ArchnemesisDad Trigon]] intends to [[TheCorrupter corrupt her]] into becoming his heir by having her cut a swathe of terror throughout his realm; aside from her, Trigon disregards his other offspring, considering them disappointments. Attacking New York City, Trigon and his sons wreak havoc, and even possesses the Teen Titans into turning on each other, all as part of a ploy to ingratiate Raven into the Titans and allow her to conquer Earth in his name.
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** The Team Titans, for being a failed ''ComicBook/XForce'' CaptainErsatz stuffed with CListFodder; by ''ComicBook/ZeroHour'', all but ''two'' were RetGone with only Terra II and Mirage remaining. Mirage in particular is disliked by Dick/Kory fans due to Mirage being a bizarre {{Yandere}}, kidnapping Kory and using her shapeshifting to subject Dick Grayson to a BedTrick, and then, after the real Kory is freed, using her shapeshifting to pose nude as Kory for an adult magazine.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The show is often credited for Starfire's whitewashed portrayal in subsequent media. Prior to the show, despite being an alien, Starfire was drawn with AmbiguouslyBrown features (most notably, her curly hair), giving [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything another]] [[{{Subtext}} layer]] to her DarkAndTroubledPast of being captured and enslaved (which included implied sex slavery). However, the show would then portray Starfire as an [[{{Mukokuseki}} orange anime girl with straight hair]] while also making her outfit and backstory TamerAndChaster. Since then, many of Starfire's portrayals have been closer to the cartoon [[AudienceColoringAdaptation due to its impact on pop culture]].

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* WereStillRelevantDammit:
** A lot of early nineties issues included characters quipping that they should update their style for the new decade.
** The outfits from the "Culling" crossover, which basically says "We're still cool. See? Tron costumes!"
** After the fiasco the comic has been having throughout its ComicBook/New52 run DC has decided to [[http://www.avclub.com/article/exclusive-dc-preview-teen-titans-1-brings-team-dig-206791again "bring them into the digital age."]] In other words, "Oh look! They're texting, and they have smart phones! How hip and happening is that?!" It feels like an obvious attempt to latch on to what "in" with the teen and young adult crowd. The advertising for it adds a level of Narm that's [[AvertedTrope lacking]] [[NarmCharm anything to like about it.]] The covers themselves are unnaturally jarring due to showing [[OutOfCharacter RAVEN of all people acting like a phone addict.]] The same covers make it look like they're texting each other even though they're standing right next to each other and makes the team look like no such thing.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: A ''Teen Titans'' show by itself doesn't sound too bad, but one that loosely takes elements from ''anime'' than sticking to the traditional DCAU format, and in a time when {{Animesque}} was reviled at first glance raised some eyebrows. Couple this with the silly sense of humor and the lighthearted atmosphere of the first few episodes and many fans felt that this series couldn't hope to live up to the maturity and complexity of the ''DCAU'' in any way. This was quickly proven wrong by the fourth episode, "Forces of Nature", which introduced the BigBad of Slade and immediately ramped up the quality of writing. Following this, the show began to become increasingly darker and more intense, and eventually became known for its involving and dramatic story arcs revolving around the personal struggles of the main characters, mixed deftly with comedic episodes to ease the tension. The series eventually gained a massive following and became AdoredByTheNetwork, to the point where other ''Teen Titans'' properties borrow more closely from this show than they do the original comics. The show later received a SpiritualSuccessor in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' which received its own cult following, and later gained a remake of sorts in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' which became a ratings juggernaut.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: A ''Teen Titans'' show by itself doesn't sound too bad, but one that loosely takes elements from inspired directly by ''anime'' than sticking to the traditional DCAU format, and in a time when {{Animesque}} was reviled at first glance of all things raised some eyebrows. Couple this with the silly sense of humor and the lighthearted atmosphere of the first few episodes and many fans felt that this series couldn't hope to live up to the maturity and complexity of the ''DCAU'' in any way. This was quickly proven wrong by the fourth episode, "Forces of Nature", which introduced the BigBad of Slade and immediately ramped up the quality of writing. Following this, the show began to become increasingly darker and more intense, and eventually became known for its involving and dramatic story arcs revolving around the personal struggles of the main characters, mixed deftly with comedic episodes to ease the tension. The series eventually gained a massive following and became AdoredByTheNetwork, to the point where other ''Teen Titans'' properties borrow more closely from this show than they do the original comics. The show later received a SpiritualSuccessor in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' which received its own cult following, and later gained a remake of sorts in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' which became a ratings juggernaut.

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* ToughActToFollow:
** While the final season is not considered outright ''bad'', it is still seen as inferior when compared to the extremely well-received fourth season. In particular, the Brotherhood of Evil is rather difficult to take as the serious threat they're positioned as when they're coming off the heels of [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils Trigon]].
** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects]], coming across as if they were wannabee and poser ShoddyKnockOffProduct series that were just trying to ape anime [[CriticalResearchFailure without understanding why anime had gotten popular.]]

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ToughActToFollow: While the final season is not considered outright ''bad'', it is still seen as inferior when compared to the extremely well-received fourth season. In particular, the Brotherhood of Evil is rather difficult to take as the serious threat they're positioned as when they're coming off the heels of [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils Trigon]].
** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects]], coming across as if they were wannabee and poser ShoddyKnockOffProduct series that were just trying to ape anime [[CriticalResearchFailure without understanding why anime had gotten popular.]]
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** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects]], coming across as if they were wannabee and poser ShoddyKnockOffProduct series that were just trying to ape anime [[DidNotDoTheResearch without]] [[CriticalResearchFailure understanding]] why anime had gotten popular.

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** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects]], coming across as if they were wannabee and poser ShoddyKnockOffProduct series that were just trying to ape anime [[DidNotDoTheResearch without]] [[CriticalResearchFailure understanding]] without understanding why anime had gotten popular. popular.]]
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** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects]], coming across as if they were wannabee and poser ShoddyKnockOffProduct series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding why anime had gotten popular.

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** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects]], coming across as if they were wannabee and poser ShoddyKnockOffProduct series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding [[DidNotDoTheResearch without]] [[CriticalResearchFailure understanding]] why anime had gotten popular.
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** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects, coming across as if they were wannabee and poser series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding why anime had gotten popular.

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** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects, aspects]], coming across as if they were wannabee and poser ShoddyKnockOffProduct series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding why anime had gotten popular.

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* ToughActToFollow: Detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects, coming across as if they were wannabee and poser series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding why anime had gotten popular.


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** In terms of reception and real world reaction, detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who did not like how western animation studios were drawing upon anime inspired aspects, coming across as if they were wannabee and poser series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding why anime had gotten popular.
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* ToughActToFollow: Detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who did not like how western animation studios were liberally drawing upon anime inspired aspects, coming across as if they were wannabee and poser series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding why anime had gotten popular.

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* ToughActToFollow: Detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who did not like how western animation studios were liberally drawing upon anime inspired aspects, coming across as if they were wannabee and poser series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding why anime had gotten popular.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: A ''Teen Titans'' show by itself doesn't sound too bad, but one that loosely takes elements from ''anime'' than sticking to the traditional DCAU format, and in a time when [[Animesque]] was reviled at first glance raised some eyebrows. Couple this with the silly sense of humor and the lighthearted atmosphere of the first few episodes and many fans felt that this series couldn't hope to live up to the maturity and complexity of the ''DCAU'' in any way. This was quickly proven wrong by the fourth episode, "Forces of Nature", which introduced the BigBad of Slade and immediately ramped up the quality of writing. Following this, the show began to become increasingly darker and more intense, and eventually became known for its involving and dramatic story arcs revolving around the personal struggles of the main characters, mixed deftly with comedic episodes to ease the tension. The series eventually gained a massive following and became AdoredByTheNetwork, to the point where other ''Teen Titans'' properties borrow more closely from this show than they do the original comics. The show later received a SpiritualSuccessor in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' which received its own cult following, and later gained a remake of sorts in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' which became a ratings juggernaut.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: A ''Teen Titans'' show by itself doesn't sound too bad, but one that loosely takes elements from ''anime'' than sticking to the traditional DCAU format, and in a time when [[Animesque]] {{Animesque}} was reviled at first glance raised some eyebrows. Couple this with the silly sense of humor and the lighthearted atmosphere of the first few episodes and many fans felt that this series couldn't hope to live up to the maturity and complexity of the ''DCAU'' in any way. This was quickly proven wrong by the fourth episode, "Forces of Nature", which introduced the BigBad of Slade and immediately ramped up the quality of writing. Following this, the show began to become increasingly darker and more intense, and eventually became known for its involving and dramatic story arcs revolving around the personal struggles of the main characters, mixed deftly with comedic episodes to ease the tension. The series eventually gained a massive following and became AdoredByTheNetwork, to the point where other ''Teen Titans'' properties borrow more closely from this show than they do the original comics. The show later received a SpiritualSuccessor in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' which received its own cult following, and later gained a remake of sorts in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' which became a ratings juggernaut.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: A ''Teen Titans'' show by itself doesn't sound too bad, but one inspired directly by ''anime'' of all things raised some eyebrows. Couple this with the silly sense of humor and the lighthearted atmosphere of the first few episodes and many fans felt that this series couldn't hope to live up to the maturity and complexity of the ''DCAU'' in any way. This was quickly proven wrong by the fourth episode, "Forces of Nature", which introduced the BigBad of Slade and immediately ramped up the quality of writing. Following this, the show began to become increasingly darker and more intense, and eventually became known for its involving and dramatic story arcs revolving around the personal struggles of the main characters, mixed deftly with comedic episodes to ease the tension. The series eventually gained a massive following and became AdoredByTheNetwork, to the point where other ''Teen Titans'' properties borrow more closely from this show than they do the original comics. The show later received a SpiritualSuccessor in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' which received its own cult following, and later gained a remake of sorts in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' which became a ratings juggernaut.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: A ''Teen Titans'' show by itself doesn't sound too bad, but one inspired directly by that loosely takes elements from ''anime'' of all things than sticking to the traditional DCAU format, and in a time when [[Animesque]] was reviled at first glance raised some eyebrows. Couple this with the silly sense of humor and the lighthearted atmosphere of the first few episodes and many fans felt that this series couldn't hope to live up to the maturity and complexity of the ''DCAU'' in any way. This was quickly proven wrong by the fourth episode, "Forces of Nature", which introduced the BigBad of Slade and immediately ramped up the quality of writing. Following this, the show began to become increasingly darker and more intense, and eventually became known for its involving and dramatic story arcs revolving around the personal struggles of the main characters, mixed deftly with comedic episodes to ease the tension. The series eventually gained a massive following and became AdoredByTheNetwork, to the point where other ''Teen Titans'' properties borrow more closely from this show than they do the original comics. The show later received a SpiritualSuccessor in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' which received its own cult following, and later gained a remake of sorts in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGO'' which became a ratings juggernaut.


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* ToughActToFollow: Detractors outside of the devoted longtime Teen Titans comics fan side of this consensus often cite that their dislike comes from the fact that ''Teen Titans'' the show mixes in anime superficially with a superhero cartoon. When the show began to debut, this was at the peak of the 2000s US anime boom, when the established core anime fandom had authentic anime and manga series and video games that they could choose from that filled in what comics and a lot of animation in the US did not, such as more mature themed series and because superheroes were at a lull because of the Dark Age of Comics, while the DCAU continued to provide stellar examples of superhero shows into the 2000s like ''Batman Beyond'', ''Static Shock'', and ''Justice League''. {{Animesque}} series were also notorious in the early 2000s to be spit upon and shunned by devoted anime fans, who did not like how western animation studios were liberally drawing upon anime inspired aspects, coming across as if they were wannabee and poser series that were just trying to ape anime without understanding why anime had gotten popular.

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