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** Sai. When his wife was sick in bed and he was receiving multiple calls from Jiyu to come home, he dismissed his daughter's concerns and instead put all his effort into his ghost writing. By the time he got home, his wife had died with Jiyu by her side, traumatizing his daughter and leading her to hate anything related to samurai stories since Jiyu believes that Sai putting his focus on them killed her mother. While he does his best to patch up his relationship with Jiyu as she grows up, he kept his continued ghost writing a secret instead of telling her that he still does it because writing the samurai stories made him happy. He even slapped his daughter when he was lied to by Freesia, who told him that Jiyu had called his work fake since he writes novels only for another person to put their name on it. The slap triggers Jiyu's HeroicBSoD to the point she doesn't recognize Sai and thinks Mikage is her mother. It isn't until the situation concerning Freesia is spelled out to him that he stops wallowing in self pity and goes off to find Jiyu and Mikage.

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** Sai. When his wife was sick in bed and he was receiving multiple calls from Jiyu to come home, he dismissed his daughter's concerns and instead put all his effort into his ghost writing. By the time he got home, his wife had died with Jiyu by her side, traumatizing his daughter and leading her to hate anything related to samurai stories since Jiyu believes that Sai putting his focus on them killed her mother. While he does his best to patch up his relationship with Jiyu as she grows up, he kept his continued ghost writing a secret instead of telling her that he still does it because writing the samurai stories made him happy. He even slapped his daughter when he was lied to by Freesia, who told him that Jiyu had called his work fake since he writes novels only for another person to put their name on it. The slap triggers Jiyu's HeroicBSoD to the point she doesn't recognize Sai and thinks Mikage is her mother. It isn't until the situation concerning Freesia is spelled out to him that he stops wallowing in self pity and goes off to find Jiyu and Mikage. After he finally finds them, he declares that he won't let anyone harm his daughter before scolding her for being a coward.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jiyu. While her constant refusal of the Eyepatch is meant to be sympathetic, given that she did not consent to having it thrust upon her, [[FreudianExcuse she has trauma related to samurai stories given her backstory,]] and Jiyu is a pacifist who abhors violence, she often comes off as [[ItsAllAboutMe extremely selfish instead]] given that using the Eyepatch is the only way to help the tortured souls of those wronged by the original Yagyu Jubei get over their hatred and be at peace. Even worse, her friends and family get targeted by dangerous swordsmen over the Eyepatch and rather than fighting to protect them from the start, Jiyu tries to throw away the Eyepatch OncePerEpisode, which means she rarely has it when she needs it most and Koinosuke or Ayunosuke have to risk their lives over and over again to retrieve it for her. [[TheDitz Jiyu may not be the sharpest tool in the shed,]] but you'd expect her to learn after the first few times that keeping the Eyepatch on her person was the safest option.

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Jiyu. While her constant refusal of the Eyepatch is meant to be sympathetic, given that she did not consent to having it thrust upon her, [[FreudianExcuse she has trauma related to samurai stories given her backstory,]] and Jiyu is a pacifist who abhors violence, she often comes off as [[ItsAllAboutMe extremely selfish instead]] given that using the Eyepatch is the only way to help the tortured souls of those wronged by the original Yagyu Jubei get over their hatred and be at peace. Even worse, her friends and family get targeted by dangerous swordsmen over the Eyepatch and rather than fighting to protect them from the start, Jiyu tries to throw away the Eyepatch OncePerEpisode, which means she rarely has it when she needs it most and Koinosuke or Ayunosuke have to risk their lives over and over again to retrieve it for her. [[TheDitz Jiyu may not be the sharpest tool in the shed,]] but you'd expect her to learn after the first few times that keeping the Eyepatch on her person was the safest option.option.
** Sai. When his wife was sick in bed and he was receiving multiple calls from Jiyu to come home, he dismissed his daughter's concerns and instead put all his effort into his ghost writing. By the time he got home, his wife had died with Jiyu by her side, traumatizing his daughter and leading her to hate anything related to samurai stories since Jiyu believes that Sai putting his focus on them killed her mother. While he does his best to patch up his relationship with Jiyu as she grows up, he kept his continued ghost writing a secret instead of telling her that he still does it because writing the samurai stories made him happy. He even slapped his daughter when he was lied to by Freesia, who told him that Jiyu had called his work fake since he writes novels only for another person to put their name on it. The slap triggers Jiyu's HeroicBSoD to the point she doesn't recognize Sai and thinks Mikage is her mother. It isn't until the situation concerning Freesia is spelled out to him that he stops wallowing in self pity and goes off to find Jiyu and Mikage.
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* ArcFatigue: The show's most common complaint is that Jiyu [[RefusalOfTheCall never learns to just accept the Eyepatch already]] and her arc in the second season is essentially the same as the first but with different antagonists.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jiyu. While her constant refusal of the Eyepatch is meant to be sympathetic, given that she did not consent to having it thrust upon her, [[FreudianExcuse she has trauma related to samurai stories given her backstory,]] and Jiyu is a pacifist who abhors violence, she often comes off as [[ItsAllAboutMe extremely selfish instead]] given that using the Eyepatch is the only way to help the tortured souls of those wronged by the original Yagyu Jubei get over their hatred and be at peace. Even worse, her friends and family get targeted by dangerous swordsmen over the Eyepatch and rather than fighting to protect them from the start, Jiyu tries to throw away the Eyepatch OncePerEpisode, which means she rarely has it when she needs it most and Koinosuke or Ayunosuke have to risk their lives over and over again to retrieve it for her. [[TheDitz Jiyu may not be the sharpest tool in the shed,]] but you'd expect her to learn after the first few times that keeping the Eyepatch on her person was the safest option.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jiyu. While her constant refusal of the Eyepatch is meant to be sympathetic, given that she did not consent to having it thrust upon her, [[FreudianExcuse she has trauma related to samurai stories given her backstory,]] and Jiyu is a pacifist who abhors violence, she often comes off as [[ItsAllAboutMe extremely selfish instead]] given that using the Eyepatch is the only way to help the tortured souls of those wronged by the original Yagyu Jubei get over their hatred and be at peace. Even worse, her friends and family get targeted by dangerous swordsmen over the Eyepatch and rather than fighting to protect them from the start, Jiyu tries to throw away the Eyepatch OncePerEpisode, which means she rarely has it when she needs it most and Koinosuke or Ayunosuke have to risk their lives over and over again to retrieve it for her. [[TheDitz Jiyu may not be the sharpest tool in the shed,]] but you'd expect her to learn after the first few times that keeping the Eyepatch on her person was the safest option.option.
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** [[https://youtu.be/MQVUBtBZosU?t=368 The free-falling battle between Mikage, Jiyu, and Freesia.]]
** [[https://youtu.be/vEynuUcAzng?t=229 The final battle between Freesia and Jiyu]], widely considered one of the best swordfights in anime.
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* AngstDissonance: Jiyu bemoans being TheChosenOne and wants nothing to do with Yagyu Jubei's legacy. Most of the audience would love to have an eyepatch [[GlamOfShazam that transformed them]] into a buxom MasterSwordsman.

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----* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jiyu. While her constant refusal of the Eyepatch is meant to be sympathetic, given that she did not consent to having it thrust upon her, [[FreudianExcuse she has trauma related to samurai stories given her backstory,]] and Jiyu is a pacifist who abhors violence, she often comes off as [[ItsAllAboutMe extremely selfish instead]] given that using the Eyepatch is the only way to help the tortured souls of those wronged by the original Yagyu Jubei get over their hatred and be at peace. Even worse, her friends and family get targeted by dangerous swordsmen over the Eyepatch and rather than fighting to protect them from the start, Jiyu tries to throw away the Eyepatch OncePerEpisode, which means she rarely has it when she needs it most and Koinosuke or Ayunosuke have to risk their lives over and over again to retrieve it for her. [[TheDitz Jiyu may not be the sharpest tool in the shed,]] but you'd expect her to learn after the first few times that keeping the Eyepatch on her person was the safest option.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Season 2 had a very different tone from season 1, many characters did not return, and it lacked the humor and genre satire.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ContestedSequel: Season 2 had a very different tone from season 1, 1; many characters did not return, return and it lacked the humor and genre satire.magical girl satire. That being said, it appealed to a different, more serious audience who prefers it to the original, making the question of whether it's an example of TheyChangedItNowItSucks or EvenBetterSequel a contested question.
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Ayunosuke is meant to be seen as a boy and her gender is a big reveal. Really belongs on Sweet Polly Oliver.


* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ayunosuke. She looks 5; her clothing consists of a bunch of rags that look like a boy's. It's not until the final episode in the second season that her clothing "reverts" in age to very distinctly female clothing. Given a LampshadeHanging right after that scene.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Season 2 had a very different tone from season 1, many characters did not return, & it lacked the humor & genre satire.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Season 2 had a very different tone from season 1, many characters did not return, & and it lacked the humor & and genre satire.
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* FanDisservice: Fans of the original anime were hoping Ayunosuke was Koinosuke reincarnated. They were deeply disappointed when [[spoiler: she turned out to be his daughter.]] Koinosuke/Juubei shippers were also upset that [[spoiler: Koinosuke must have had a secret wife]] for this to happen at all. Lastly, some fans of the first season were not at all happy with the 2ed seasons heavy LesYay fanservice that was not present in the previous season.
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Fan Dis Service & They Changed it, now it sucks.

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* FanDisservice: Fans of the original anime were hoping Ayunosuke was Koinosuke reincarnated. They were deeply disappointed when [[spoiler: she turned out to be his daughter.]] Koinosuke/Juubei shippers were also upset that [[spoiler: Koinosuke must have had a secret wife]] for this to happen at all. Lastly, some fans of the first season were not at all happy with the 2ed seasons heavy LesYay fanservice that was not present in the previous season.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Season 2 had a very different tone from season 1, many characters did not return, & it lacked the humor & genre satire.
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Designated Protagonist Syndrome has been renamed to Vanilla Protagonist along with being redefined. This was because the trope was being misused to complain about protagonist the editor didn\'t like and generally as a \"flaw\" or \"problem\". Tropes Are Tools. Specifically, Jubei didn\'t want to have anything to do with her alter ego and the plot etc.


* DesignatedProtagonistSyndrome: Jiyu/Jubei. When she's not her alter ego, she doesn't really do very much and most of the show is other characters commenting on her.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome This troper has the soundtrack for both seasons and is in love with. Every. Single. Track.
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It was decided on Ask The Tropers to nuke any mention of Needs More Love on main and YMMV pages. Besides, this is a Zero Context Example.


* NeedsMoreLove
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ayunosuke. She looks 5; her clothing consists of a bunch of rags that look like a boy's. It's not until the final episode in the second season that her clothing "reverts" in age to very distinctly female clothing. Given a LampshadeHanging right after that scene.

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* NeedsMoreLove
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ayunosuke. She looks 5; her clothing consists of a bunch of rags that look like a boy's. It's not until the final episode in the second season that her clothing "reverts" in age to very distinctly female clothing. Given a LampshadeHanging right after that scene.scene.
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Crowning Moment of Awesome


* CrowningMomentOfAwesome (Where do we Start? The entire show is a continuous series of these with each battle reaching more and more amazing levels of combat and damage, and a real-life CrowningMomentOfAwesome for the people who created it.)
** Two fights that stand out in the second season are the sword fight Jiyu has with Freesia while ''falling off a cliff'' and then their final battle with disintegrates gigantic oaks.
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* DesignatedProtagonistSyndrome: Jiyu/Jubei. When she's not her alter ego, she doesn't really do very much and most of the show is other characters commenting on her.

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