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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Surely the idea of a brutal war being fought over an island that's just risen from the ocean is a fantasy narrative device used by Terry Pratchett to poke fun at the idiotic nationalism of a bygone age? The Other Wiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinandea disagrees!]]

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** Although the main point is that the ethnic differences don't matter.



** FridgeHorror: The 'other' Vimes picked up our Vimes' Dis-Organiser, meaning that [[spoiler:as everything was going to hell around him he was hearing about this other universe where it had all worked out fine... though admittedly, things like "get captured by desert bandits" probably confused him too.]]
* PositiveDiscrimination: Played straight and subverted.
** The Morporkian high command is comprised entirely of [[UpperClassTwit Upper Class Twits]], while Prince Cadram is exceptionally intelligent and competent, with a reputation as a just and fair ruler (albeit a conquerer intent on 'pacifying' outlying regions), [[AffablyEvil but is the villain of the piece]]. His brother, Prince Khufurah, on the other hand, is more street-wise and something of a layabout: charismatic, highly intelligent, and a gifted diplomat, but [[TheHedonist given to enjoying the pleasures of life rather than the responsibilities of his position]]; this gives him a reputation as a wastrel.
** Vimes falls into this trap all through the book, consciously trying to avert all the bigoted expectations and prejudices of his fellow countrymen... [[BatmanGambit which, along with his reputation for unbending honesty and thoroughness, is used against him by Cadram when his agents make it look like the assassination attempt was a Morporkian plot clumsily disguised as a Klatchian one, naturally making Vimes suspect his own people]]. [[spoiler: 71 Hour Ahmed calls him out on this]].
--->"Come now, Sir Samuel. ''Truly'' treat all men equally: allow Klatchians the right to be scheming bastards."

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** %%** FridgeHorror: The 'other' Vimes picked up our Vimes' Dis-Organiser, meaning that [[spoiler:as everything was going to hell around him he was hearing about this other universe where it had all worked out fine... though admittedly, things like "get captured by desert bandits" probably confused him too.]]
* PositiveDiscrimination: Played straight and subverted.
** The Morporkian high command is comprised entirely of [[UpperClassTwit Upper Class Twits]], while Prince Cadram is exceptionally intelligent and competent, with a reputation as a just and fair ruler (albeit a conquerer intent on 'pacifying' outlying regions), [[AffablyEvil but is the villain of the piece]]. His brother, Prince Khufurah, on the other hand, is more street-wise and something of a layabout: charismatic, highly intelligent, and a gifted diplomat, but [[TheHedonist given to enjoying the pleasures of life rather than the responsibilities of his position]]; this gives him a reputation as a wastrel.
** Vimes falls into this trap all through the book, consciously trying to avert all the bigoted expectations and prejudices of his fellow countrymen... [[BatmanGambit which, along with his reputation for unbending honesty and thoroughness, is used against him by Cadram when his agents make it look like the assassination attempt was a Morporkian plot clumsily disguised as a Klatchian one, naturally making Vimes suspect his own people]]. [[spoiler: 71 Hour Ahmed calls him out on this]].
--->"Come now, Sir Samuel. ''Truly'' treat all men equally: allow Klatchians the right to be scheming bastards."
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** And that poor Dis-organizer.

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** The way the sunken city is ultimately described with its nonhuman artwork makes it sound rather like [[VideoGame/{{Splatoon}} another city of squids]].

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** The way the sunken city is ultimately described with its nonhuman artwork makes it sound rather like [[VideoGame/{{Splatoon}} [[Franchise/{{Splatoon}} another city of squids]].
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** It's a small one, but at one point Carrot remarks that Vimes is always asking who on earth hired Nobby to be a watchmen. Come Literature/NightWatchDiscworld and we see that the very person who inspired Nobby to join the Watch is Vimes himself.

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** It's a small one, but at one point Carrot remarks that Vimes is always asking who on earth hired Nobby to be a watchmen. Come Literature/NightWatchDiscworld [[Literature/NightWatchDiscworld Night Watch]] and we see that the very person who inspired Nobby to join the Watch is Vimes himself.
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** It's a small one, but at one point Carrot remarks that Vimes is always asking who on earth hired Nobby to be a watchmen. Come Literature/NightWatchDiscworld and we see that the very person who inspired Nobby to join the Watch is Vimes himself.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: A mild example, but it stands out from other Discworld stories involving ethnic conflicts such as Literature/MenAtArms, [[Literature/{{Thud}} Thud!]] and Literature/MonstrousRegiment in that it explicitly uses a FantasyCounterpartCulture of the Islamic world (Klatch) rather than shifting it to dwarfs and trolls and so forth.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: A mild example, but it stands out from other Discworld ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' stories involving ethnic conflicts such as Literature/MenAtArms, [[Literature/{{Thud}} Thud!]] and Literature/MonstrousRegiment in that it explicitly uses a FantasyCounterpartCulture of the Islamic world (Klatch) rather than shifting it to dwarfs and trolls and so forth.

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* HilariousInHindsight:
** A similar dispute between India and Bangladesh over New Moore / South Talpatti Island was resolved in March 2010, when the sea rose and covered it.
** The way the sunken city is ultimately described with its nonhuman artwork makes it sound rather like [[VideoGame/{{Splatoon}} another city of squids]].
** The fact that Ahmed says "May your loins be full of fruit" to Vimes is pretty funny considering that in [[Literature/TheFifthElephant the next Watch book]] Sybil announces that she's pregnant.



* HilariousInHindsight: A similar dispute between India and Bangladesh over New Moore / South Talpatti Island was resolved in March 2010, when the sea rose and covered it.
** The way the sunken city is ultimately described with its nonhuman artwork makes it sound rather like [[VideoGame/{{Splatoon}} another city of squids]].
** The fact that Ahmed says "May your loins be full of fruit" to Vimes is pretty funny considering that in [[Literature/TheFifthElephant the next Watch book]] Sybil announces that she's pregnant.



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* MagnificentBastard: Again, Havelock Vetinari. [[spoiler: Prince Cadram is this too, but at the end is outgambitted by the former.]]
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* {{Anvilicious}}: A mild example, but it stands out from other Discworld stories involving ethnic conflicts such as Discworld/MenAtArms, [[Discworld/{{Thud}} Thud!]] and Discworld/MonstrousRegiment in that it explicitly uses a FantasyCounterpartCulture of the Islamic world (Klatch) rather than shifting it to dwarfs and trolls and so forth.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: A mild example, but it stands out from other Discworld stories involving ethnic conflicts such as Discworld/MenAtArms, [[Discworld/{{Thud}} Literature/MenAtArms, [[Literature/{{Thud}} Thud!]] and Discworld/MonstrousRegiment Literature/MonstrousRegiment in that it explicitly uses a FantasyCounterpartCulture of the Islamic world (Klatch) rather than shifting it to dwarfs and trolls and so forth.



** The fact that Ahmed says "May your loins be full of fruit" to Vimes is pretty funny considering that in [[Discworld/TheFifthElephant the next Watch book]] Sybil announces that she's pregnant.

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** The fact that Ahmed says "May your loins be full of fruit" to Vimes is pretty funny considering that in [[Discworld/TheFifthElephant [[Literature/TheFifthElephant the next Watch book]] Sybil announces that she's pregnant.

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* PositiveDiscrimination: Played straight and subverted - The Morporkian high command is comprised entirely of [[UpperClassTwit Upper Class Twits]], while Prince Cadram is exceptionally intelligent and competent, with a reputation as a just and fair ruler, [[AffablyEvil but is the villain of the piece]]. His brother, Prince Khufurah, on the other hand, is more street-wise and something of a layabout: charismatic, but [[TheHedonist given to enjoying the pleasures of life rather than the responsibilities of his position]]; this gives him a reputation as a wastrel.

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* PositiveDiscrimination: Played straight and subverted - subverted.
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The Morporkian high command is comprised entirely of [[UpperClassTwit Upper Class Twits]], while Prince Cadram is exceptionally intelligent and competent, with a reputation as a just and fair ruler, ruler (albeit a conquerer intent on 'pacifying' outlying regions), [[AffablyEvil but is the villain of the piece]]. His brother, Prince Khufurah, on the other hand, is more street-wise and something of a layabout: charismatic, highly intelligent, and a gifted diplomat, but [[TheHedonist given to enjoying the pleasures of life rather than the responsibilities of his position]]; this gives him a reputation as a wastrel.wastrel.
** Vimes falls into this trap all through the book, consciously trying to avert all the bigoted expectations and prejudices of his fellow countrymen... [[BatmanGambit which, along with his reputation for unbending honesty and thoroughness, is used against him by Cadram when his agents make it look like the assassination attempt was a Morporkian plot clumsily disguised as a Klatchian one, naturally making Vimes suspect his own people]]. [[spoiler: 71 Hour Ahmed calls him out on this]].
-->"Come now, Sir Samuel. ''Truly'' treat all men equally: allow Klatchians the right to be scheming bastards."
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** The fact that Ahmed says "May your loins be full of fruit" to Vimes is pretty funny considering that in [[Discworld/TheFifthElephant the next Watch book]] Sybil announces that she's pregnant.
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--> ''[[spoiler:"...Seven eh em...Organize Defenders at River Gate...Seven twenty-five...Hand-to-Hand Fighting in Peach Pie Street...Seven forty-eight eight eight...Rally Survivors in Sator Square...Things To Do Today: Build Build Build Barricades...bingeley...Eight oh two eh em, Death of Corporal Littlebottombottom...Eight oh three eh em...Death of Sergeant Detritus...Eight oh threethreethree eh em and seven seconds seconds...Death of Constable Visit...Eight oh three eh em and nineninenine seconds...Death of death of death of...Death of Constable Dorfl...Eight oh three eh em and fourteenteenteen seconds...Death of Captain Carrot Ironfoundersson...beep...beep...Things To Do Today: Die..."]]

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--> ''[[spoiler:"...Seven eh em...Organize Defenders at River Gate...Seven twenty-five...Hand-to-Hand Fighting in Peach Pie Street...Seven forty-eight eight eight...Rally Survivors in Sator Square...Things To Do Today: Build Build Build Barricades...bingeley...Eight oh two eh em, Death of Corporal Littlebottombottom...Eight oh three eh em...Death of Sergeant Detritus...Eight oh threethreethree eh em and seven seconds seconds...Death of Constable Visit...Eight oh three eh em and nineninenine seconds...Death of death of death of...Death of Constable Dorfl...Eight oh three eh em and fourteenteenteen seconds...Death of Captain Carrot Ironfoundersson...beep...beep...Things To Do Today: Die..."]]"]]''
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* TheissTitillationTheory: [[DiscussedTrope Explained thus]] when Nobby comes across some harem pants:
--> '''Vetinari''': Curiously, the purpose of the clothing of the nautch girl or the exotic dancer has always been less to reveal and more to suggest the ''imminence'' of revelation.
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* MagnificentBastard: Again, Havelock Vetinari.

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* MagnificentBastard: Again, Havelock Vetinari. [[spoiler: Prince Cadram is this too, but at the end is outgambitted by the former.]]
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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: See [[Awesome/{{Discworld}} the series page]].
** This quote from Jabbar, showing the limits of Carrot's charisma:
--> "Um, I think Klatchians have a very particular view about women fighting-" Carrot began.
--> "Yes!" said Jabbar. "We expect them to be good at it, Blue Eyes. We are D'regs!"
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** The way the sunken city is ultimately described with its nonhuman artwork makes it sound rather like [[VideoGame/{{Splatoon}} another city of squids]].
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* MagnificentBastard: Again, Havelock Vetinari.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The part where Jabbar offers Vimes a sheep's (or was it goat's?) eyeball to eat, to test if he'll be savvy enough to throw it away and join the D'regs in a meal of "real" food. This seems to imply "Klatchians are human and sane, just like us, and sane humans would ''never'' eat a sheep's eyeball". In real life, that second part just ''is not true''.
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* TheWoobie: Poor Captain Jenkins, whose ship Vimes commandeers and then proceeds to basically smash to smithereens, on account of the fact that Vimes knows absolutely nothing about sailing. Jenkins was planning on selling weapons to the Klatchians, but still...

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* TheWoobie: Poor Captain Jenkins, whose ship Vimes commandeers and then proceeds to basically smash to smithereens, on account of the fact that Vimes knows absolutely nothing about sailing. Jenkins was planning on selling weapons to the Klatchians, but still...still...
** And that poor Dis-organizer.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The part where Jabbar offers Vimes a sheep's (or was it goat's?) eyeball to eat, to test if he'll be savvy enough to throw it away and join the D'regs in a meal of "real" food. This seems to imply "Klatchians are human and sane, just like us, and sane humans would ''never'' eat a sheep's eyeball". In real life, that second part just ''is not true''.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: See [[Awesome/{{Discworld}} the series page]].

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: See [[Awesome/{{Discworld}} the series page]].



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** "Um, I think Klatchians have a very particular view about women fighting-" Carrot began.
** "Yes!" said Jabbar. "We expect them to be good at it, Blue Eyes. We are D'regs!"

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** --> "Um, I think Klatchians have a very particular view about women fighting-" Carrot began.
** --> "Yes!" said Jabbar. "We expect them to be good at it, Blue Eyes. We are D'regs!"
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** This part is ''really'' disturbing in the audiobook, due to the actor's change of the Dis-Organizer's voice due to SanitySlippage.

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** This [[spoiler:This part is ''really'' disturbing in the audiobook, due to the actor's change of the Dis-Organizer's voice due to SanitySlippage.]]
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** This part is ''really'' disturbing in the audiobook, due to the actor's change of the Dis-Organizer's voice due to SanitySlippage.
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** FridgeHorror: The 'other' Vimes would presumably have picked up our Vimes' Dis-Organiser, meaning that [[spoiler:as everything was going to hell around him he was hearing about this other universe where it had all worked out fine... though admittedly, things like "get captured by desert bandits" probably confused him too.]]

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** FridgeHorror: The 'other' Vimes would presumably have picked up our Vimes' Dis-Organiser, meaning that [[spoiler:as everything was going to hell around him he was hearing about this other universe where it had all worked out fine... though admittedly, things like "get captured by desert bandits" probably confused him too.]]
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** This quote from Jabbar, showing the limits of Carrot's charisma:
**"Um, I think Klatchians have a very particular view about women fighting-" Carrot began.
**"Yes!" said Jabbar. "We expect them to be good at it, Blue Eyes. We are D'regs!"
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: The Dis-Organizer telling Vimes how things would have gone if he stayed.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: NightmareFuel: The Dis-Organizer telling Vimes how things would have gone if he stayed.
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* PositiveDiscrimination: Played straight and subverted - The Morporkian high command is comprised entirely of [[UpperClassTwit Upper Class Twits]], while [[AffablyEvil Prince Cadram]] is entirely competent. His brother, [[TheHedonist Prince Khufurah]], on the other hand, is a street-wise but rather incompetent buffoon.

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* PositiveDiscrimination: Played straight and subverted - The Morporkian high command is comprised entirely of [[UpperClassTwit Upper Class Twits]], while Prince Cadram is exceptionally intelligent and competent, with a reputation as a just and fair ruler, [[AffablyEvil Prince Cadram]] but is entirely competent. the villain of the piece]]. His brother, [[TheHedonist Prince Khufurah]], Khufurah, on the other hand, is a more street-wise and something of a layabout: charismatic, but [[TheHedonist given to enjoying the pleasures of life rather incompetent buffoon.than the responsibilities of his position]]; this gives him a reputation as a wastrel.
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* PositiveDiscrimination: The Ankh-Morpork aristocrats are all presented as a bunch of {{Upper Class Twit}}s while their equally blue blooded Klatchian counterparts (Princes Cadram and Khufurah) seem pretty capable.

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* PositiveDiscrimination: Played straight and subverted - The Ankh-Morpork aristocrats are all presented as a bunch Morporkian high command is comprised entirely of {{Upper [[UpperClassTwit Upper Class Twit}}s Twits]], while their equally blue blooded Klatchian counterparts (Princes Cadram and Khufurah) seem pretty capable.[[AffablyEvil Prince Cadram]] is entirely competent. His brother, [[TheHedonist Prince Khufurah]], on the other hand, is a street-wise but rather incompetent buffoon.
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* PositiveDiscrimination: The Ankh-Morpork aristocrats are all presented as a bunch of {{Upper Class Twit}}s while their equally blue blooded Klatchian counterparts (Princes Cadram and Khufurah) seem pretty capable.

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