History YMMV / FallOutBoy

** Fall Out Boy's habit for experimentation leads to yet another contentious song among the fanbase: 'Young and Menace.' While Fall Out Boy dabbled before in electronic music elements like sampling, it comes across more strongly in this track which features stuttered vocals and a ''drop''. While most of the elements are actually done with traditional rock instruments and effects, that hasn't stopped the "old school fans who don't like new Fall Out Boy material for perceived lack of depth versus everyone else who liked the song" conflicts.
* FaceOfTheBand: Pete, and sometimes Patrick. Not many casual fans can name Joe or Andy. Oddly enough, Patrick, Joe, and Andy were quite comfortable with Pete being the band's face as it meant the rest of them could lead more normal lives without the media intrusion.

** Those who don't like Pete probably still have their reasons for keeping him in the heap, but those who think he's an irritating attention whore don't have that much ground to stand on these days. His status as TheFaceOfTheBand has been de-emphasized for the whole band taking part in promotion and interviews, and parenting has given him perspective and a grounded attitude. It also helps that he's no longer a darling for celebrity tabloid rags and that, while Fall Out Boy is still popular, they're no longer as all over the place as they were in the 2000s. As for his bass playing, the jury is still out on that one.

** For American Beauty/American Psycho: The first single released off of the album, "Centuries", is pop-heavy way off the gate with a heavy Suzanne Vega sample, so naturally it's got a lot of vicious comments on the video. The title track also got complaints on its release because even though it's ostensibly a rock song that's gotten favorable comparisons to 70s stuff, there's also a constant EDM undercurrent. This is due to it being a collab with SebastiAn.

* ChartDisplacement: "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race" is the band's highest-charting song on the Hot 100 (peaking at #2), and while it is well known by fans, songs like "Sugar, We're Goin Down" (#8), "Dance, Dance" (#9), "Centuries" (#10), "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" (#11) & "My Songs..." (#13) are much more recognizable & popular despite charting lower.

* QuestionableCasting: Patrick, what are you doing on ''Series/LawAndOrder'' and ''{{Series/House}}''? (PlayingAgainstType and being {{Adorkable}}, respectively.)

* WTHCastingAgency: Patrick, what are you doing on ''Series/LawAndOrder'' and ''{{Series/House}}''? (PlayingAgainstType and being {{Adorkable}}, respectively.)
** Not to mention Pete on ''Series/{{CSINY}}'' and ''Series/{{Californication}}''! And ''Series/OneTreeHill''.
** People have plenty to say about Pete's appearances on TV (especially ''Series/OneTreeHill'') for [[SoBadItsGood one huge reason]]. People also have plenty of things to say about Patrick's appearances on TV for [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct a completely different reason]].
** On Fall Out Boy's last headlining tour, Believers Never Die Part Deux, Music/FiftyCent was an opening act for three shows. While some people weren't pleased, most were just ''very'' confused as to why a major rapper would be willing to open for ''Fall Out Boy'' on a lineup that also featured Music/AllTimeLow, Music/CobraStarship, Hey Monday, and Metro Station (though some people were ''very'' pleased he was replacing Metro Station on the dates he was scheduled for).
** Hollywood Holt's brief run opening for the band on the first two and last three dates of the Save Rock and Roll small venue tour was also confusing, but caused way more anger than 50 Cent ever did, to the point where he left the tour before the second to last show. Mind you, having a song about twerking and responding to nearly every negative tweet about him with even more negativity to the point of threateningly inviting those who tweeted their displeasure with him during the show to meet him at the merch table didn't exactly change minds about him.
** Patrick, what are you doing on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cy4Z1dXSZQ a Weekend Nachos song]] doing hardcore screaming? Trohman also guested on "Hometown Hero" on that same album; ironically, that song was an ''extremely'' venomous attack on Wentz, calling him a sold-out, washed-up has-been who "peaked at 23 years old"...as in around the time ''Take This to Your Grave'' came out. ''Yikes''. To make the guest spots on that album even more strange, the entire album is fairly indicative of the trends that cropped up in Chicago hardcore that lead Pete, Patrick, Andy, and Joe to bail from that scene and start Fall Out Boy in the first place. However, it ''is'' known that Fall Out Boy as a whole still keeps in touch with many of their old hardcore friends[[note]]Andy played for the crust/metalcore act Enabler during Fall Out Boy's hiatus, is back with his old bandmates in Racetraitor as of 2017 and has also played shows with Earth Crisis. He formed the currently-active metalcore/crust act Sect with current and former members of Cursed, Catharsis, Earth Crisis, and Day of Suffering in 2015, in addition to having played for various other hardcore and power violence acts during his time in Fall Out Boy. Joe was one of the biggest Gofundme donors to Harm's Way (whose former guitarist Jay Jancetic was in Arma Angelus) after thieves cleaned out their trailer in 2018.[[/note]] "Jock Powerviolence" (the song that Stump appears on) is a more general attack on people who accused Weekend Nachos of being a bandwagon act despite the fact that power violence was never a commercially viable genre, to begin with. Stump's passage reads like it could have just as easily been aimed at the people who called Fall Out Boy sellouts and "industry whores"[[note]]"I stopped trying to be cool a long time ago/I laugh to myself as I see you come and go/make up rules for your friends to live by/I'll keep doing things my way while you fucking cry"[[/note]].
** Even with previous rap precedent, Fall Out Boy touring with Wiz Khalifa and Hoodie Allen for the Boys of Zummer tour has got this reaction. While there are reasonable complaints about why Fall Out Boy is touring with someone with rather blatant misogynistic lyrics when they've traditionally avoided that in their music and their touring partners, others have been sadly and unexpectedly racist.

** Pretty much the entirety of "The Last Of The Real Ones", which can be summed up as two guys dressed up in llama suits doing the slo-mo PowerWalk and murdering Pete BoundAndGagged in the back of a car with a shovel.

** In the "Save Rock and Roll" video, a male FOB fan [[spoiler: gets disemboweled right before his very eyes by Xibalba]].

** To summarize: whether or not you think that post-hiatus Fall Out Boy is in a Dork Age is dependent on what you think of modern pop music, rock bands experimenting with modern pop production, rock bands trying to appeal to mainstream audiences, rock bands changing their sound to stay appealing to mainstream audiences in a time where less rock bands in general get played on the radio, and other related factors. There are still many fans who think that FOB has been in a DorkAge since "From Under The Cork Tree"!

* DorkAge: Some parts of the fanbase feel that Fall Out Boy has entered this in their post-hiatus output, citing a heavier emphasis on the pop end of their music. More recent releases have more emphasis on electronic elements compared to their regular instruments...or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they wouldn't be recognizable as traditional rock instrument playing[[note]]In particular, much of "Young and Menace" actually WAS done with their normal instruments, just heavily altered![[/note]]. "Young and Menace" was so contentious upon its debut that they had to go out of their way to mention that it was the only song like it on the album.[[note]]Though it's not like they regretted it much either; the "Lake Effect Kid" EP finishes with the similar counterpart "Super Fade" on a release that features two other more standard Fall Out Boy tracks[[/note]]. Some of these fans have compared Fall Out Boy's current status to that of Music/Maroon5 and their post "It Won't Be Soon Before Long" output. Some of these fans have compared the alienation they feel about Fall Out Boy continuing to focus on mainstream audiences instead of solely to rock fans in their fanbase, or at least trying to find a happy medium between the two, to alienation in Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014[[note]]While Weezer's earlier material is well regarded, their mid-to-late 2000s output is divisive, features more electronic pop elements, and appealed more to mainstream audiences. Their 2014 album, "Everything Will Be Alright In The End", which was more similar to their earlier material, was better received by fans and became their most critically acclaimed album since 1996's Pinkerton. They followed this up with 2016's "White Album", a mix of old school Weezer sound and modern pop sensibilities that was also well-received.[[/note]] and in 2017[[note]]In which Weezer released Pacific Daydream which veers away from the sound of the previous two albums. This was followed up by the "Teal Album", a surprise cover album to capitalize on the viral popularity of their cover of Toto's "Africa", and the experimental "Black Album" where Rivers Cuomo, unfortunately, tries to sorta rap.[[/note]].
** To summarize: whether or not you think that post-hiatus Fall Out Boy is in a Dork Age is dependent on what you think of modern pop music, rock bands experimenting with modern pop production, rock bands trying to appeal to mainstream audiences, rock bands changing their sound to stay appealing to mainstream audiences in a time where less rock bands in general get played on the radio, and other related factors. There are still many fans who think that FOB has been in a DorkAge since "From Under The Cork Tree"!

* SignatureSong: "Sugar, We're Going Down", "Dance, Dance", or "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" are all recognized as the hits that launched the band to stardom in the 2000s. Their post-hiatus output is probably defined by "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark" and "Centuries," for better or for worse.

** ''Everything'' about "Sugar, We're Goin' Down", whether it's the constantly misunderstood chorus or references to the verses.
** From "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race": I'M A LITTLE MAN, WHO'S ALSO EVIL, ALSO INTO CAAAAAAAATS.[[note]]"I'm a leading man, / And the lies I weave are oh so intricate."[[/note]] Heck, there's even a cute cat picture site named Also Into Cats, [[http://www.alsointocats.com/fall-out-boy-returns/ they even posted about the Fall Out Boy comeback.]]

* SignatureSong: "Sugar, We're Going Down", "Dance, Dance", or "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" are all recognized as the hits that launched the band to stardom in the 2000s.

* VindicatedByHistory: ''Folie a Deux'', which was adored by critics and ''massively'' divisive upon its release, has rapidly become one of their more popular and well-loved albums since the end of the hiatus. Doesn't hurt that ''Save Rock And Roll'', which was almost universally adored by the fandom, sounds rather similar. Fans also appreciate Patrick's vocal delivery on top of Pete's lyrics, including his social commentary and self-referential lines about his life following off of themes touched on in Infinity On High. Unfortunately, there are still ''some'' fans that don't like it, but they've had broken bases with every one of their albums, so it's nothing new. Even more unfortunately for the fans that like ''Folie'', the band is still rather reluctant to embrace it due to the backlash it got in its first release.

* FaceOfTheBand: Pete, and sometimes Patrick. Not many casual fans can name Joe or Andy.
** Oddly enough, Patrick, Joe, and Andy were quite comfortable with Pete being the band's face as it meant the rest of them could lead more normal lives without the media intrusion.
** Gradually being subverted after their 2013 return. They're doing full band interviews as much as possible and even when they're doing interviews only in groups of two, they're avoiding sticking to the tried and true Pete and Patrick combinations. Andy and Joe are more talkative during interviews, Joe more so than Andy. Patrick and Pete banter back and forth much more than they did in shows before the hiatus, and even Andy joins in! Album wise, lyric writing is no longer solely Pete's role and Andy now has a role with backup vocals alongside Joe and Pete. Let's hope it sticks.

* BaseBreakingCharacter: Pete. Fans of the band either worship him and think he's gorgeous and a great bassist or they think he's an irritating attention whore who can't play bass at ''all''. [[TakeAThirdOption Or they think that he's a decent enough guy in the attitude and/or bass playing department]] and find most (if not all) of the hatred thrown at him to be unjustified.

* CrackShip: Pete and Creator/TaraStrong, the ship captains of which are [[https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/413101083339522048 pretty much]] [[https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/413414444387938304 themselves]]. [[https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/413414444387938304 And yes, it's been ponyfied]]. Pony fans and Fall Out Boy fans appear to be having more fun than brain aneurysms with the ship. (Mind you, both fandoms ARE big on shipping, even if it's not usually heterosexual...)

* HarsherInHindsight: Take This To Your Grave's [[https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6fre6A6wU1r17ikto1_1280.jpg distinctive cover]] has all the band members and their names on the cover, an uncommon move. This was done to show that, despite Pete's perceived frontman status, Fall Out Boy as a group was the most important thing. After the band gained mainstream success, the media swarmed in on Pete (who took on a more active frontman role due to the rest of the band's reluctance to do interviews and the like). While Fall Out Boy post-hiatus gives much more consideration to the group instead of merely Pete when it comes to interviews, on-stage banter, and the like, that means it took them a ''decade'' to get back to their original intent for the group's representation.
* HilariousInHindsight: The Weekend Nachos song "Hometown Hero", released in 2011, is a massive diss at Pete. The message to be taken from the song is: "You sold out of the Chicago hardcore scene, but now your famous band is broken up, you're washed out, and nobody cares about you anymore! Stop trying to reconnect with the friends you ditched and get fucked!" In 2013, Fall Out Boy came back together, regained mainstream prominence, gained loads of new fans on top of the diehards who stuck around during the hiatus. Pete rebounded massively from his divorce and other issues that cropped up to play again with Fall Out Boy, relaunch his successful record label, and ''deliver his second son by hand''. So much for nobody caring! (Though arguably if nobody did, Weekend Nachos wouldn't feel the need to make an entire song about him.)
** It’s even more hilarious if you take in mind that fact: on another song released in the same year, “Jock Powerviolence”, they collaborated with Patrick.
* HypeBacklash: "Take This To Your Grave", the band's first album, is highly considered to be not only one of the band's best albums (if not THE best), but one of the best pop-punk albums EVER. To say that fans of their later material are somewhat disappointed that people seem more inclined to overhype what they perceive to be an above-average pop-punk album at the expense of their other works would be an understatement.
* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Many fans think that the quality of the albums is negatively proportional to how popular they are, which would mean essentially that they haven't done anything good since "Take This To Your Grave"...or "From Under The Cork Tree", if they're feeling charitable.
* MemeticMutation: ''Everything'' about "Sugar, We're Goin' Down", whether it's the constantly misunderstood chorus or references to the verses.

* {{Moe}}: Patrick Stump has always had this effect on people to the point where even Pete has joked about it.
-->'''Pete''': Patrick doesn't do gross things. his body is made up of kittens, Saturdays, 70-degree weather, first kisses and butterflies. Trust me, I cut that bitch open once to check.

* NauseaFuel: Pete [[spoiler: eating that apple-heart and then vomiting up blood ''and a snake'' in the "Just One Yesterday" video.]]

* NarmCharm: While many found the "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark" music video to be very unnerving, keep in mind, that's ''[=2Chainz=]'' in the music video, burning most of Fall Out Boy's backlog for no apparent reason.

* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Those who don't like Pete's face/bass playing/''everything'' probably still have their reasons for keeping him in the heap, but those who think he's an irritating attention whore don't have that much ground to stand on these days. His status as TheFaceOfTheBand has been de-emphasized for the whole band taking part in promotion and interviews and parenting has given him perspective and a grounded attitude. It also helps that he's no longer a darling for celebrity tabloid rags and that, while Fall Out Boy is still popular, they're no longer as all over the place as they were in the 2000s. As for his bass playing, the jury is still out on that one.
** The band itself counts, as when they first came into the limelight songs like "Dance, Dance" had many in the music community writing them off as little more than a pop boy band doomed to quickly fade. Cue many eating their words in utter shock to find out songs like "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light 'Em Up)" and other post-hiatus hits were by the same band.
** Some people who didn't like Fall Out Boy's Ghostbusters song felt this way when they found out that "Who's the (Bat) Man" in The Lego Batman Movie wasn't sung by Will Arnet as Batman...but as ''Patrick'' singing in the style of Will Arnet's Batman voice.

* SignatureSong: "Sugar, We're Going Down" or "Dance, Dance" or "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs".
** "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light 'Em Up)" is rapidly becoming this, due to its popularity. And now "Centuries" and "Uma Thurman".
* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: "Novocaine" from ''AB/AP'' and "The Phoenix" from ''Save Rock and Roll'' have the exact same electronic-influenced instrumentations. Gets better with [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Pvl9zOPZ0 this]] remix of them where they blend so perfectly into each other. You'd probably confuse the two if you weren't already familiar with them.

* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: While Fall Out Boy usually refrains from outright profanity and vulgarity, they don't shy away from referencing sex in their music. That didn't stop Kidz Bop for wanting to put "Dance, Dance" on Kidz Bop 10. The band and their manager weren't pleased, especially since Kidz Bop technically didn't need their permission to use it. Kidz Bop eventually dumped the track from the list. Later on, "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" got away with being used for the trailers of the Tim Allen movie, ''Film/ZoomAcademyForSuperheroes''.

** People have plenty to say about Pete's appearances on TV (especially Series/OneTreeHill) for [[SoBadItsGood one huge reason]]. People also have plenty of things to say about Patrick's appearances on TV for [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct a completely different reason]].

* MemeticMutation: ''Everything'' about "Sugar, We're Goin' Down", whether it's the [[{{Mondegreen}} constantly misunderstood chorus]] or references to the verses.

* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: While Fall Out Boy usually refrains from outright profanity and vulgarity, they don't shy away from referencing sex in their music. That didn't stop Kidz Bop for wanting to put "Dance, Dance" on Kidz Bop 10. The band and their manager weren't pleased, especially since Kidz Bop technically didn't need their permission to use it. Kidz Bop eventually dumped the track from the list. Later on, "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" got away with being used for the trailers of the Tim Allen movie, Film/ZoomAcademyForSuperheroes.

** Within mere ''hours'' of the video release for "Immortals", it's been barraged with comments about being too cutesy and poppy, with people attributing it to being made for a ''Disney'' movie, ''Disney/BigHero6''. However, considering that movie has heavy themes of coping with loss and the impact people still have on other's lives after their deaths, the song becomes a lot less "cutesy" when you put the lyrics in the context of Big Hero 6's narrative.

* SignatureSong: "Sugar, We're Going Down" or "Dance, Dance" or "[[strike:Thanks For The Memories]] Thnks Fr Th Mmrs".

** This has been [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] on ''WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow'' in the "A Little More Touch Me" episode.
--> Pete: You call yourselves hunters?
--> TMVS: That depends. [[TakeThat You call yourself a bassist?]]

** Fall Out Boy's habit for experimentation leads to yet another contentious song among the fanbase: 'Young and Menace.' While Fall Out Boy dabbled before in electronic music elements like sampling, it comes across more strongly in this track which features studdered vocals and a ''drop''. While most of the elements are actually done with traditional rock instruments and effects, that hasn't stopped the "old school fans who don't like new Fall Out Boy material for perceived lack of depth versus everyone else who liked the song" conflicts.
** Basically, if you give their music a try, be prepared to be one of these fans, or none of these fans, as their fanbase has become so fractured over the years from their genre shifts, sound changes, and other things, that you're liable to start a flamewar with just about anything you may say about any of their material.

* DorkAge: Some parts of the fanbase feel that Fall Out Boy has entered this in their post-hiatus output, citing a heavier emphasis on the pop end of their music. More recent releases have more emphasis on electronic elements compared to their regular instruments...or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they wouldn't be recognizable as traditional rock instrument playing[[note]]In particular, much of "Young and Menace" actually WAS done with their normal instruments, just heavily altered![[/note]]. "Young and Menace" was so contentious upon its debut that they had to go out of their way to mention that it was the only song like it on the album.[[note]]Though it's not like they regretted it much either; The "Lake Effect Kid" EP finishes with the similar counterpart "Super Fade" on a release that features two other more standard Fall Out Boy tracks[[/note]]. Some of these fans have compared Fall Out Boy current status to that of Music/Maroon5 and their post "It Won't Be Soon Before Long" output. Some of these fans have compared the alienation they feel about Fall Out Boy continuing to focus on mainstream audience instead of solely to rock fans in their fanbase, or at least trying to find a happy medium between the two, to alienation in Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014[[note]]While Weezer's earlier material is well regarded, their mid-to-late 2000s output is divisive, features more electronic pop elements, and appealed more to mainstream audiences. Their 2014 album, "Everything Will Be Alright In The End", which was more similar to their earlier material, was better received by fans and became their most critically acclaimed album since 1996's Pinkerton. They followed this up with 2016's "White Album", a mix of old school Weezer sound and modern pop sensibilities that was also well-received.[[/note]] and in 2017[[note]]In which Weezer released Pacific Daydream which veers away from the sound of the previous two albums. This was followed up by the "Teal Album", a surprise cover album to capitalize on the viral popularity of their cover of Toto's "Africa", and the experimental "Black Album" where Rivers Cuomo, unfortunately, tries to sorta rap.[[/note]].

* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Those who don't like Pete's face/bass playing/''everything'' probably still have their reasons for keeping him in the heap, but those who think he's an irritating attention whore don't have that much ground to stand on these days. His status as TheFaceOfTheBand has been de-emphasized for the whole band taking part in promotion and interviews and parenting has given him perspective and a grounded attitude. He's not all that interested in celebrity anymore either. As for his bass playing, the jury is still out on that one.

** For American Beauty/American Psycho: The first single released off of the album, "Centuries", is pop-heavy way off the gate with a heavy Suzanne Vega sample, so naturally it's getting a lot of vicious comments on the video. The title track also got complaints on its release because even though it's ostensibly a rock song that's gotten favorable comparisons to 70s stuff, there's also a constant EDM undercurrent. This is due to it being a collab with SebastiAn.

* VindicatedByHistory: ''Folie a Deux'', which was adored by critics and ''massively'' divisive upon its release, has rapidly become one of their more popular and well-loved albums since the end of the hiatus. Doesn't hurt that ''Save Rock And Roll'', which was almost universally adored by the fandom, sounds rather similar...or the fact that it's a natural move from ''Infinity on High'' and has legitimately good songs, especially when you appreciate the social commentary or the self referential lines Pete wrote about his life at that point. There's so much emotion poured into the lines and songs on both Patrick's and Pete's parts that it's hard not to get into what each song is trying to say. Unfortunately, there are still ''some'' fans that don't like it, but they've had broken bases with every one of their albums, so it's nothing new. Even more unfortunately for the fans that like ''Folie'', the band is still rather reluctant to embrace it due to the backlash it got in its first release.

* WinBackTheCrowd: Fans that were less than impressed by ''MANIA'' and other post-hiatus perked up a bit for the ''Lake Effect Kid'' [=EP=]. They rerecorded an old 2008 demo of the same name for it and worked with Sean O'Keefe for the first time since their first album ''15 years prior''! Though the EP is getting a more mixed reaction, the song itself remains virtually the exact same as the original demo, just in better quality and without Clinton Sparks yelling, "GET FAMILIAR" over it.[[note]]Lake Effect Kid comes from the "Welcome to the New Administration" mixtape, put out to help promote the then-upcoming ''Folie à Deux'' album. The mixtape features demos, remixes, and songs made specifically for the mixtape by Fall Out Boy and other artists on the Decaydance roster. "Welcome to the New Administration" is also "hosted" by Clinton Sparks, which lends it clout as a mixtape release but makes him infamous among Fall Out Boy/Decaydance fans. This is because he frequently talks over songs, often with the catchphrase "GET FAMILIAR". Unlike "Lake Effect Kid", most of these songs remain exclusive to the mixtape with no alternate version without Sparks' interruptions.[[/note]] The EP also features "City In A Garden", another song more evocative of earlier material that's one big love letter to their hometown of Chicago. This is very fitting as the EP release was done close to them doing their biggest headlining show to date at Wrigley Field with a [[https://youtu.be/At_iXR3XAlk very nostalgic intro]]. They also opened the MANIA Experience, [[https://youtu.be/Mzbe6VeePgkan interactive art exhibit based on MANIA with various installations]], including one where fans could leave messages for the band. Band members would make surprise appearances "under glass" in the middle of the room, including Andy and [[https://youtu.be/0XvR_KVrZ9o Pete]].
** Basically, the song is a great throwback to their older style and a lot of older fans are hoping they do more songs like it, since it's the perfect step forward for them as a Rock band and has the best parts of their older and newer sounds; i.e. great production values, guitars loud and proud, Pete's great lyricism, the Rock edge, and Patrick hearkening back to how he used to sing, but with better breath control and diction.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The band has always attracted a fairly large amount of teenagers and the older crowd due to their innuendo vulgar lyrics. That didn't stop Kidz Bop for wanting to put "Dance, Dance" on Kidz Bop 10. The band and their manager weren't pleased, especially since Kidz Bop technically didn't need their permission to use it. Kidz Bop eventually dumped the track from the list. Later on, "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" got away with being used for the trailers of the Tim Allen movie, Zoom: Academy for Superheroes and eleven years after this incident did this, the group would appear in the second Teen Titans Go! TV Movie "The Day the Night Stopped Beginning to Shine And Became Dark Even Though It Was the Day", though the latter was because one of the band member's children was a huge fan of the show.

** Not to mention Pete on ''Series/{{CSINY}}'' and ''Series/{{Californication}}''! And ''Series/OneTreeHill'', but the less we say about that, the better.

** Patrick, what are you doing on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cy4Z1dXSZQ a Weekend Nachos song]] doing hardcore screaming? Trohman also guested on "Hometown Hero" on that same album; ironically, that song was an ''extremely'' venomous attack on Wentz, calling him a sold-out, washed-up has-been who "peaked at 23 years old"...as in around the time ''Take This to Your Grave'' came out. ''Yikes''. To make the guest spots on that album even more strange, the entire album is fairly indicative of the trends that cropped up in Chicago hardcore that lead Pete, Patrick, Andy, and Joe to bail from that scene and start Fall Out Boy in the first place. However, it ''is'' known that Fall Out Boy as a whole still keeps in touch with many of their old hardcore friends[[note]]Andy played for the crust/metalcore act Enabler during Fall Out Boy's hiatus, is back with his old bandmates in Racetraitor as of 2017 and has also played shows with Earth Crisis. He formed the currently-active metalcore/crust act Sect with current and former members of Cursed, Catharsis, Earth Crisis, and Day of Suffering in 2015, in addition to having played for various other hardcore and power violence acts during his time in Fall Out Boy. Joe was one of the biggest Gofundme donors to Harm's Way (whose former guitarist Jay Jancetic was in Arma Angelus) after thieves cleaned out their trailer in 2018.[[/note]] "Jock Powerviolence" (the song that Stump appears on) is a more general attack on people who accused Weekend Nachos of being a bandwagon act despite the fact that power violence was never a commercially viable genre, to begin with. Stump's passage reads like it could have just as easily been aimed at the people who called Fall Out Boy sellouts and "industry whores"[[note]]"I stopped trying to be cool a long time ago/I laugh to myself as I see you come and go/makeup rules for your friends to live by/I'll keep doing things my way while you fucking cry"[[/note]].

* HypocriticalFandom: Fall Out Boy fans bashing 5 Seconds of Summer for being a pop-heavy rock band or a "boy band"[[note]]A common complaint for 5SOS due to opening for One Direction and not having an obvious frontman, though 5SOS don't actually fit any of the genre conventions beyond, well, having a load of teenage girl fans. The extent to which they're truly ''rock'' is a point of debate due to defining themselves as a rock band while doing things that are more conventionally done by pop musicians (for example: they play their own instruments and write their own songs, but also are completely transparent about having co-songwriting duties shared with personages like John Feldy from Goldfinger and the Madden Brothers from Good Charlotte. [[/note]]...despite Fall Out Boy also being a pop-heavy rock band to the point of heavy criticism even in their own fanbase and being called a "boy band" all the way back in ''2005''. It doesn't help that 5SOS has a SuspiciouslySimilarSong to "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" called "Social Casualty", but even Pete doesn't necessarily mind that OR the band themselves. Despite the support, comparisons between the two bands by Luke Hemmings were met by Pete bringing up (unmaliciously) that FOB did initially come from a pure punk background, unlike 5SOS who primarily started as a [=YouTube=] cover band that branched out into original material, and made it to the top without a co-sign like One Direction for 5SOS or Scooter Braun for Justin Bieber. Understandably, there's still overlap between the two fandoms. Many people want to enjoy both bands' music without getting into a semantics argument, especially considering the arguments made tend to be repetitive anyways.
** To a lesser extent, Fall Out Boy fans bashing Music/OneDirection fans in the usual "pop versus rock" way despite BOTH fandoms usually being mocked for being predominantly made up of teenage girls. There's also considerable overlap between the 1D fandom and the Fall Out Boy fandom; the announcement that Pete had met with the group and did writing for their album "Four", was met with more actual excitement from Directioners who were fans of Fall Out Boy than fans of exclusively FOB or 1D.
** The reception to both groups in the Fall Out Boy fandoms, especially when it came to new fans getting into FOB through 5SOS or 1D being considered "fake fans" was [[http://insincerelypete.com/post/92800550669/i-felt-like-i-wasnt-going-to-address-it-but-i-see addressed by Pete on his blog]].

* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: ''Infinity oh High'' has 'You're Crashing, But You're No Wave,' which is a song about the rigged court case against African American civil rights activist, Fred Hampton Jr. Some people have also interpreted the lyrics as taking imagery from ''Film/ToKillAMockingBird.''

** Is their song from the 2016 ''Ghostbusters'' reboot good or awful? General consensus seems to be that it's a bad remix/cover of the original, with some adding that it's more of Fall Out Boy on autopilot than them actually putting any heart into it[[note]]Compared to Fall Out Boy's usual output and the original song, the lyrics are unusually simplistic[[/note]]. Patrick's vocals were also a point of contention, with some finding them great and others finding them uncharacteristically awful from him. There are a small section of fans who actually like it. The biggest point of agreement was that Missy Elliot's guest verse was good...unless you're a Fall Out Boy fan who doesn't like it when they work with rappers.
** Fall Out Boy's habit for experimentation leads to yet another contentious song among the fanbase: 'Young and Menace.' While Fall Out Boy dabbled before in electronic music elements like sampling, it comes across more strongly in this track which features studder vocals and a ''drop''. While most of the elements are actually done with traditional rock instruments and effects, that hasn't stopped the "old school fans who don't like new Fall Out Boy material for perceived lack of depth versus everyone else who liked the song" conflicts.

* CrackShip: Pete and Creator/TaraStrong, the ship captains of which are [[https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/413101083339522048 pretty much]] [[https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/413414444387938304 themselves]]. [[https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/413414444387938304 And yes, it's been ponyfied]]. Pony fans and Fall Out Boy fans appear to be having more fun than brain aneurisms with the ship. (Mind you, both fandoms ARE big on shipping, even if it's not usually heterosexual...)
* DorkAge: Some parts of the fanbase feel that Fall Out Boy has entered this in their post-hiatus output, citing a heavier emphasis on the pop end of their music. More recent releases have more emphasis on electronic elements compared to their regular instruments...or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they wouldn't be recognizable as traditional rock instrument playing[[note]]In particular, much of "Young and Menace" actually WAS done with their normal instruments, just heavily altered![[/note]]. "Young and Menace" was so contentious upon its debut that they had to go out of their way to mention that it was the only song like it on the album.[[note]]Though it's not like they regretted it much either; The "Lake Effect Kid" EP finishes with the similar counterpart "Super Fade" on a release that features two other more standard Fall Out Boy tracks[[/note]]. Some of these fans have compared Fall Out Boy current status to that of Music/Maroon5 and their post "It Won't Be Soon Before Long" output. Some of these fans have compared the alienation they feel about Fall Out Boy continuing to focus on mainstream audience instead of solely to rock fans in their fanbase, or at least trying to find a happy medium between the two, to alienation in Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014[[note]]While Weezer's earlier material is well regarded, their mid-to-late 2000s output is divisive, features more electronic pop elements, and appealed more to mainstream audiences. Their 2014 album, "Everything Will Be Alright In The End", which was more similar to their earlier material, was better received by fans and became their most critically acclaimed album since 1996's Pinkerton. They followed this up with 2016's "White Album", a mix of oldschool Weezer sound and modern pop sensibilities that was also well-received.[[/note]] and in 2017[[note]]In which Weezer released Pacific Daydream which veers away from the sound of the previous two albums. This was followed up by the "Teal Album", a surprise cover album to capitalize on the viral popularity of their cover of Toto's "Africa", and the experimental "Black Album" where Rivers Cuomo unfortunately tries to sorta rap.[[/note]].
** To summarize: whether or not you think that post-hiatus Fall Out Boy is in a Dork Age is dependent on what you think of modern pop music, rock bands experimenting with modern pop production, rock bands trying to appeal to mainstream audiences, rock bands changing their sound to stay appealing to mainstream audiences in a time where less rock bands in general get played on the radio, and other related factors. There's still many fans who think that FOB has been in a DorkAge since "From Under The Cork Tree"!

* HypeBacklash: "Take This To Your Grave", the band's first album, is highly considered to be not only one of the band's best albums (if not THE best), but one of the best pop punk albums EVER. To say that fans of their later material are somewhat disappointed that people seem more inclined to overhype what they perceive to be an above-average pop punk album at the expense of their other works would be an understatement.
* HypocriticalFandom: Fall Out Boy fans bashing 5 Seconds of Summer for being a pop heavy rock band or a "boy band"[[note]]A common complaint for 5SOS due to opening for One Direction and not having an obvious frontman, though 5SOS don't actually fit any of the genre conventions beyond, well, having a load of teenage girl fans. The extent to which they're truly ''rock'' is a point of debate due to defining themselves as a rock band while doing things that are more conventionally done by pop musicians (for example: they play their own instruments and write their own songs, but also are completely transparent about having co-songwriting duties shared with personages like John Feldy from Goldfinger and the Madden Brothers from Good Charlotte. [[/note]]...despite Fall Out Boy also being a pop heavy rock band to the point of heavy criticism even in their own fanbase and being called a "boy band" all the way back in ''2005''. It doesn't help that 5SOS has a SuspiciouslySimilarSong to "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" called "Social Casualty", but even Pete doesn't necessarily mind that OR the band themselves. Despite the support, comparisons between the two bands by Luke Hemmings were met by Pete bringing up (unmaliciously) that FOB did initially come from a pure punk background, unlike 5SOS who primarily started as a [=YouTube=] cover band that branched out into original material, and made it to the top without a co-sign like One Direction for 5SOS or Scooter Braun for Justin Bieber. Understandably, there's still overlap between the two fandoms. Many people want to enjoy both bands' music without getting into a semantics argument, especially considering the arguments made tend to be repetitive anyways.

* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Many fans think that the quality of the albums are negatively proportional to how popular they are, which would mean essentially that they haven't done anything good since "Take This To Your Grave"...or "From Under The Cork Tree", if they're feeling charitable.

** "Thanks, Pete", from the band's acceptance speech at the 2014 Alternative Press Music Awards, became popular, especially on {{Website/Tumblr}}, due to Pete actually holding up Patrick to the tall microphone. It even became a Worldwide trending topic on {{Website/Twitter}}, ''and'' the band added a T-shirt with the phrase to their official merchandise.

-->'''Pete''': patrick doesnt do gross things. his body is made up of kittens, saturdays, 70 degree weather, first kisses and butterflies. trust me, i cut that bitch open once to check.

* NarmCharm: While many found the "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark" music video to be very unnerving, keep in mind, that's ''[=2Chainz=]'' in in the music video, burning most of Fall Out Boy's backlog for no apparent reason.

** The band itself counts, as when they first came into the limelight songs like "Dance, Dance" had many in the music community writing them of as little more than a pop boy band doomed to quickly fade. Cue many eating their words in utter shock to find out songs like "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light 'Em Up)" and other post-hiatus hits were by the same band.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Ever since ''Infinity on High'', or arguably ''From Under The Cork Tree'', Fall Out Boy has unabashedly explored pop avenues that other rock bands wouldn't even touch, to the point where nowadays Fall Out Boy has separate single releases for pop and rock radio. Arguably, this is part of why they've continued to last as long as they have, but each album cycle is ''always'' going to evoke this trope due to fans and casual listeners usually having a more stricter definition of what rock means...even if Fall Out Boy has even to this day been considered a ''pop'' punk/''pop'' rock band.
** For American Beauty/American Psycho: The first single released off of the album, "Centuries", is pop heavy way off the gate with a heavy Suzanne Vega sample, so naturally it's getting a lot of vicious comments on the video. The title track also got complaints on its release because even though it's ostensibly a rock song that's gotten favorable comparisons to 70s stuff, there's also a constant EDM undercurrent. This is due to it being a collab with SebastiAn.

** In examples of the trope that don't involve complaints about the poppier parts of FOB's backcatalog: the trope was evoked for the release of the first song off of ''Infinity on High'', "Carpal Tunnel of Love", which was arguably the heaviest song on the album, along with the entirety of PAX AM DAYS, a punk rock EP. A lot of these complaints weren't coming from fans that preferred the pop end of things either, though they do sometimes come from that end.

* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The band has always attracted a fairly large amount of teenagers and the older crowd due to their innuendo vulgar lyrics. That didn't stop Kidz Bop for wanting to put "Dance, Dance" on Kidz Bop 10. The band and their manager weren't pleased, especially since Kidz Bop technically didn't need their permission to use it. Kidz Bop eventually dumped the track from the list. Later on, "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" got away with being used for the trailers of the Tim Allen movie, Zoom: Academy for Superheroes, and eleven years after this incident did this, the group would appear in the second Teen Titans Go! TV Movie "The Day the Night Stopped Beginning To Shine And Became Dark Even Though It Was the Day", though the latter was because one of the band member's children was a huge fan of the show.

** Patrick, what are you doing on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cy4Z1dXSZQ a Weekend Nachos song]] doing hardcore screaming? Trohman also guested on "Hometown Hero" on that same album; ironically, that song was an ''extremely'' venomous attack on Wentz, calling him a sold-out, washed-up has-been who "peaked at 23 years old"...as in around the time ''Take This to Your Grave'' came out. ''Yikes''. To make the guest spots on that album even more strange, the entire album is fairly indicative of the trends that cropped up in Chicago hardcore that lead Pete, Patrick, Andy, and Joe to bail from that scene and start Fall Out Boy in the first place. However, it ''is'' known that Fall Out Boy as a whole still keeps in touch with many of their old hardcore friends[[note]]Andy played for the crust/metalcore act Enabler during Fall Out Boy's hiatus, is back with his old bandmates in Racetraitor as of 2017 and has also played shows with Earth Crisis. He formed the currently-active metalcore/crust act Sect with current and former members of Cursed, Catharsis, Earth Crisis, and Day of Suffering in 2015, in addition to having played for various other hardcore and powerviolence acts during his time in Fall Out Boy. Joe was one of the biggest Gofundme donors to Harm's Way (whose former guitarist Jay Jancetic was in Arma Angelus) after thieves cleaned out their trailer in 2018.[[/note]] "Jock Powerviolence" (the song that Stump appears on) is a more general attack on people who accused Weekend Nachos of being a bandwagon act despite the fact that powerviolence was never a commercially viable genre to begin with. Stump's passage reads like it could have just as easily been aimed at the people who called Fall Out Boy sellouts and "industry whores"[[note]]"I stopped trying to be cool a long time ago/I laugh to myself as I see you come and go/make up rules for your friends to live by/I'll keep doing things my way while you fucking cry"[[/note]].

* EarWorm:
** ''Thanks for the memories, even though they weren't so great...''
** ''Oh, whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh...so light 'em up, up, up, light 'em up, up, up, light 'em up, up, up, I'm on fire!''
** ''We could be im-mo-o-o-o-immortals! Im-mo-o-o-o-immortals!''
** ''Rata-tat-tat, Rata-tat-tat-tat-tat, HEY!''
** "You will REMEMBER meeee for CENTURIES..."
** ''She wants to dance like OO-MA THURMAN, bury me ti'l I confess…''