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** The concept of post-process type changes in general is somewhat divisive, as demonstrated with the reactions to Chromera's type change. Some think it's a necessity to make the Pokémon viable again, especially if their original typing has [[TierInducedScrappy inherent, insurmountable flaws]]. Others are heavily against the idea due to a desire to play around said typings' flaws, as well as a belief that changing a typing after the original process goes against concept. There's also the larger issue of flavor, as the new typings have a chance to clash heavily with the original design in addition to it possibly going against the artsts' wishes (though Gravity Monkey did confirm that they were OK with Chromera becoming part Normal).
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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play]]. Following Miasmaw's floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people than usual called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, an act that is considered a last resort by many.

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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play]]. Following Miasmaw's floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people than usual called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, an act that is considered a last resort by many.many (though it ultimately didn't go through).
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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play]]. Following Miasmaw's floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process than usual, which is otherwise considered a last resort by many.

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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play]]. Following Miasmaw's floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people than usual called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process than usual, which process, an act that is otherwise considered a last resort by many.
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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play]]. Following Miasmaw's floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, which is otherwise considered a last resort by many.

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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play]]. Following Miasmaw's floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, process than usual, which is otherwise considered a last resort by many.
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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play]]. Following Miasmaw floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, which is otherwise considered a last resort by many.

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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play]]. Following Miasmaw Miasmaw's floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, which is otherwise considered a last resort by many.
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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play. Following Miasmaw floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, which is otherwise considered a last resort by many.

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** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of [[SkewedPriorities prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play.play]]. Following Miasmaw floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, which is otherwise considered a last resort by many.

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* BrokenBase: Create-A-Pokémon 11 suffered from this, with huge arguments stemming from the typing discussions.

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Create-A-Pokémon 11 Voodoom suffered from this, with huge arguments stemming from the typing discussions.discussions.
** CAP 28 Miasmaw also suffered from a contentious typing process, with Bug/Dragon being the ultimate winner. Those in favor of it found the typing to be unique and to have an interesting place in the metagame, while those against it believed that the typing would cause Miasmaw to perform poorly due to being mediocre both offensively and defensively, and accused those in favor of Bug/Dragon of prioritizing flavor potential over competitive play. Following Miasmaw floundering in the post-Crown Tundra metagame (which released a mere ''four days'' after Miasmaw was made available), a lot more people called for Miasmaw's [[{{Retcon}} type to be changed]] during its buff process, which is otherwise considered a last resort by many.
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** Mollux is also popular due to its absolutely adorable design and unique concept, being a lava lamp cone snail (the latter of which is rarely seen in fiction period).

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** Mollux is also popular due to its absolutely adorable design and unique concept, being a lava lamp combined with a cone snail (the latter of which is rarely seen in fiction period).
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** Mollux is also popular due to its absolutely adorable design and unique concept, being a lava lamp cone snail (the latter of which is rarely seen in fiction period).

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* FanNickname: "Snapple", a tongue-in-cheek potential name for Malaconda, being a portmanteau of "snake" and "apple", as well as the name of a tea and juice company.

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"Snapple", a tongue-in-cheek potential name for Malaconda, being a portmanteau of "snake" and "apple", as well as the name of a tea and juice company.company.
** Saharaja is often called "Drip Camel" due to its fancy garb and association with [[https://tenor.com/view/drip-camel-bottom-text-nike-drippest-camel-spit-gif-24060442 this memetic GIF]].



* SidetrackedByTheGoldSaucer: CAP ASB was created by longtime member Deck Knight to help keep the CAP forum's blood flowing. When it was finished and gained its own subforum, it became VERY popular.
** It has now been moved to Circus Maximus, the forum games section of Smogon.

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* SidetrackedByTheGoldSaucer: MemeticMutation: [[Memes/{{Smogon}} Shares a page with Smogon itself]].
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subforum (before being moved to Circus Maximus, the forum games section of Smogon.Maximus), it became VERY popular.
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** Astrolotl, a red, bipedal axolotl with long antennae and frills around its head and legs, bears a striking resemblance to [[VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet Koraidon]].
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* FanNickname: "Snapple", a tongue-in-cheek potential name for Malaconda, being a portmanteau of "snake" and "apple", as well as the name of a tea and juice company.
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** As for the creatures themselves, Pajantom is by far the most well-liked for its interesting concept (both competitively and design-wise), as well as for its badass-yet-cute design. The official popularity poll even ranked Pajantom as the number one most popular CAP!

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* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP Pokémon competitive basis. However, this does cause oddities between a Pokémon’s stats, moves, and appearance.

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* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP Pokémon competitive basis. However, this does cause oddities between a Pokémon’s stats, moves, and appearance.appearance.
%%* TierInducedScrappy: While Voodoom is considered the most successful CAP, the same can't be said about its performance in later generations. The introduction of Fairy-type doesn't flavor it in any way since it lacks any tools to combat them. While it was buffed just like several CAP in Generation 7, the improvement isn't enough to save Voodoom.
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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which functions like Rebound, except it works every turn the Pokemon is out.

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce Bounce, which functions like Rebound, except it works every turn the Pokemon Pokémon is out.



** Likewise, a Fighting / Flying type that's {{Mayincatec}} in design and based on Aztec eagle warriors; are we talking about Tomohawk here, or Hawlucha which came the next generation?

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** Likewise, a Fighting / Flying Fighting/Flying type that's {{Mayincatec}} in design and based on Aztec eagle warriors; are we talking about Tomohawk here, or Hawlucha Hawlucha, which came the next generation?



** In the Gold and Silver Beta leaked in 2018, the Pokemon Kurstraw bears a strong resemblance to Voodoll and Voodoom, although its evolution is completely different.

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** In the Gold and Silver Beta leaked in 2018, the Pokemon Pokémon Kurstraw bears a strong resemblance to Voodoll and Voodoom, although its evolution is completely different.



* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP Pokemon competitive basis. However, this does cause oddities between a Pokemon's stats, moves, and appearance.

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* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP Pokemon Pokémon competitive basis. However, this does cause oddities between a Pokemon's Pokémon’s stats, moves, and appearance.
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** In the Gold and Silver Beta leaked in 2018, the Pokemon Kurstraw bears a strong resemblance to Voodoll and Voodoom, although its evolution is completely different.
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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which functions like Rebound, except it works every turn the Pokemoon is out.

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which functions like Rebound, except it works every turn the Pokemoon Pokemon is out.
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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which functions like Rebound, except it works only once every turn.

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which functions like Rebound, except it works only once every turn.turn the Pokemoon is out.
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** Create-A-Pokémon was originally a one-off idea that was just speculative, but its implementation on a battle server caused it to continue and eventually gain its own forum. Within Smogon, CAP has a one-off metagame that includes OU (the most popular tier) pokemon with CAP pokemon.

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** Create-A-Pokémon was originally a one-off idea that was just speculative, but its implementation on a battle server caused it to continue and eventually gain its own forum. Within Smogon, CAP has a one-off metagame that includes OU (the most popular tier) pokemon Pokémon with CAP pokemon.Pokémon.



** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which function like Rebound, except it works only once every turn.

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which function functions like Rebound, except it works only once every turn.



** The Necturine line bears great similarity to the Pumpkaboo line, not only in typing but also in design. Necturine is designed after a Leichi berry and has the same body shape, leaf 'tuft', and extra 'eyes' as Pumpkaboo. Necturna looks more like a feminine humanoid with long arms and a torso with 'eyes' and a 'mouth', like Gourgeist.

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** The Necturine line bears great similarity to the Pumpkaboo line, not only in typing but also in design. Necturine is designed after a Leichi Liechi berry and has the same body shape, leaf 'tuft', and extra 'eyes' as Pumpkaboo. Necturna looks more like a feminine humanoid with long arms and a torso with 'eyes' and a 'mouth', like Gourgeist.



* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP Pokemon competitive bases. However, this does cause oddities between a Pokemon's stats, moves, and appearance.

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* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP Pokemon competitive bases.basis. However, this does cause oddities between a Pokemon's stats, moves, and appearance.
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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which function like Rebound, except it works once on every turn.

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Then Generation 5 introduced Magic Bounce which function like Rebound, except it works only once on every turn.



** Likewise with the Mayintec inspired design and Fighting/Flying typing Tomohawk is similar to the real Pokemon Hawlucha in body build and design.

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** Likewise with the Mayintec inspired Likewise, a Fighting / Flying type that's {{Mayincatec}} in design and Fighting/Flying typing based on Aztec eagle warriors; are we talking about Tomohawk is similar to the real Pokemon here, or Hawlucha in body build and design.which came the next generation?
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** Colossoil has the same typing and a very similar stat distribution to Krookodile, which premiered one generation later.


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** The Necturine line bears great similarity to the Pumpkaboo line, not only in typing but also in design. Necturine is designed after a Leichi berry and has the same body shape, leaf 'tuft', and extra 'eyes' as Pumpkaboo. Necturna looks more like a feminine humanoid with long arms and a torso with 'eyes' and a 'mouth', like Gourgeist.
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incorrect. Magic Bounce also reflect these moves


** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Generation 5, and we have a official ability in Magic Bounce that does the exact same thing - but on every turn, but doesn't effect status inflicting moves like Will-O-Wisp and Toxic.

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Then Generation 5, and we have a official ability in 5 introduced Magic Bounce that does the exact same thing - but which function like Rebound, except it works once on every turn, but doesn't effect status inflicting moves like Will-O-Wisp and Toxic.turn.

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* FanDumb: Poorly made "flavor" arguments are made in just about every Create-A-Pokémon Movepool thread.
* HateDumb: The ability stage for Mollux was filled with vitriol on both sides on whether it should receive Drought or not, as it either helped satisfy the original concept or would overshadow Ninetales as a weather inducer.
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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Generation 5, and we have a official ability in Magic Bounce that does the exact same thing - but on every turn, but doesn't effect status inflicting moves like Will O the Wisp and Toxic

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Generation 5, and we have a official ability in Magic Bounce that does the exact same thing - but on every turn, but doesn't effect status inflicting moves like Will O the Wisp Will-O-Wisp and ToxicToxic.



* Likewise with the Mayintec inspired design and Fighting/Flying typing Tomohawk is similar to the real Pokemon Hawlucha.

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* ** Likewise with the Mayintec inspired design and Fighting/Flying typing Tomohawk is similar to the real Pokemon Hawlucha.Hawlucha in body build and design.



* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP pokemon competitive bases. However, this does cause oddities between a pokemon's stats, moves, and appearance.

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* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP pokemon Pokemon competitive bases. However, this does cause oddities between a pokemon's Pokemon's stats, moves, and appearance.

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Generation 5, and we have a official ability in Magic Mirror that does the exact same thing - but on every turn.

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** Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Generation 5, and we have a official ability in Magic Mirror Bounce that does the exact same thing - but on every turn.turn, but doesn't effect status inflicting moves like Will O the Wisp and Toxic


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* Likewise with the Mayintec inspired design and Fighting/Flying typing Tomohawk is similar to the real Pokemon Hawlucha.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Generation 5, and we have a official ability in Magic Mirror that does the exact same thing - but on every turn.

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Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Generation 5, and we have a official ability in Magic Mirror that does the exact same thing - but on every turn.turn.
** Cyclohm, the fluffy cloud-donning electric dragon, turned out to later be remarkably similar in concept and noticeably similar in appearance to [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Mega Ampharos]].
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* BrokenBase: Create-A-Pokémon 11 suffered from this, with huge arguments stemming from the typing discussions.
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** Create-A-Pokémon was originally a one-off idea that was just speculative, but its implementation on a battle server caused it to continue and eventually gain its own forum. Within Smogon, CAP has a one-off metagame that includes OU (the most popular tier) pokemon with CAP pokemon.
** CAP ASB was also a one-off game based off of the CAP Project. It, too, grew in popularity and got its own sub-forum in the local forum games forum.
* FanDumb: Poorly made "flavor" arguments are made in just about every Create-A-Pokémon Movepool thread.


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* HilariousInHindsight: Rebound was a custom ability Colossoil had that reflected status moves back at the user on the turn Colossoil switches in, most people agreeing that having it work on every turn would be broken. Come Generation 5, and we have a official ability in Magic Mirror that does the exact same thing - but on every turn.
* SidetrackedByTheGoldSaucer: CAP ASB was created by longtime member Deck Knight to help keep the CAP forum's blood flowing. When it was finished and gained its own subforum, it became VERY popular.
** It has now been moved to Circus Maximus, the forum games section of Smogon.
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* HateDumb: The ability stage for Mollux was filled with vitriol on both sides on whether it should receive Drought or not, as it either helped satisfy the original concept or would overshadow Ninetales as a weather inducer.

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* HateDumb: The ability stage for Mollux was filled with vitriol on both sides on whether it should receive Drought or not, as it either helped satisfy the original concept or would overshadow Ninetales as a weather inducer.inducer.
* StopHavingFunGuys: While flavor is encouraged during the CAP process, [[DownplayedTrope this trope is enforced]] to give CAP pokemon competitive bases. However, this does cause oddities between a pokemon's stats, moves, and appearance.
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* HateDumb: The ability stage for Mollux was filled with [[Understatement a bit of anger.]]

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* HateDumb: The ability stage for Mollux was filled with [[Understatement vitriol on both sides on whether it should receive Drought or not, as it either helped satisfy the original concept or would overshadow Ninetales as a bit of anger.]]weather inducer.
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* HateDumb: The ability stage for Mollux was filled with [[Understatement a bit of anger.]]

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