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"Let's just say there's one segment of the population that loves [Tween Pop] songs, one segment that hates them and a really big segment (people on the Internet who want other Internet people to think they're cool) that feel obligated to say they hate them"
A fandom can sometimes reach rather illogical levels. But let's face it, hating a thing can bring out the jerkass in someone as much as liking it, especially on the Internet. Actions that drop someone's IQ points to dangerously low levels can be inspired by hate as easily as by love.
Hate dumb is the polar opposite of fan dumb, it always exists, and where there is fan dumb, there is hate dumb.
The bottom line is, it's okay to dislike a show/movie/game/book/character; but there are civil, socially acceptable ways of expressing that dislike, just like with expressing love for a character or medium.
Of course, much like fan dumb, hate dumb are usually just a vocal minority. Sometimes it's not even considered part of the hatedom. Most of them, including yourself (unless you actually do fit this, and you won't know if you do) are pretty respectful when it comes to critiquing a show or will simply just ignore it as they fully know that they won't enjoy the show and let the fans be.
As a footnote, to many a devoted fan, nearly every hatedom for their fandom is a hate dumb. There is often a broad overlap between people who accuse others of being in a hate dumb and people who enjoy complaining about people not liking the show. Similarly, to many a devoted hater, nearly every fandom for their hatedom is fan dumb. This goes to show the polar opposites of it.
The concept is closely related to Don't Shoot the Message.
Not to be confused with hatedom, which is the intelligent version of this.
Please do not put this on a work's page including its sub-pages. The only exception is if it is invoked canonically as someone's character trait. In that case, mark it as such.
Common variations of Hate Dumb:
Fan Haters: These cannot dislike a work and accept that it appeals to other people. How dare someone have such bad taste? They simply aren't content to live and let live. Fan Haters are prone to Blind Bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see why. (The inverse happens, too) It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about Fan DumbComplaining about People Not Liking the Show. Many times, these people are acting like Fan Fiction and Fan Art itself is somehow affecting one's enjoyment of the series, or affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have never read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.note Some who actually do acknowledge the fanfiction but hate others are more rival fans and Fandumb Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based entirely off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other Fan Dumb of their own interests. This may be justifiable under online-only games like Team Fortress 2, but these guys will often trash single-player only games like Final Fantasy on the basis of their fans. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's not fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to No True Scotsman. In the minds of Fan Haters, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only Fan Dumb.
Author Haters: These people may not hate the fans, per se, but they certainly hate the author of the work. While it's natural to be annoyed with someone who has brought a bad show into existence, these people take it so far that it seems to be a personal Roaring Rampage of Revenge. In extreme cases, death threats may ensue. Running the Asylum can justify some author hate, but only to a point. Of course whether the authoris truly responsible for the contents of the work or changes in the adaptation, or was even truly the creator of the work, doesn't matter: Author haters will blame the head editor for stuff they couldn't have done, or a creator lower on the food chain for events caused by Executive Meddling.
Complaining about Shows You Don't Watch: These haters have never seen the show in question, but they still know they hate it. They will refuse to watch it at all. There isn't necessarily anything in the show itself that they would dislike, if only they would watch it — Hype Aversion, or the trailer for the work has made them determined to avoid direct exposure.
Preemptive haters: These guys really hate something. They seem to know almost everything about the object of their hate. The problem is, the work they hate hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been finished. These people are basing their hatedom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they loathe intensely. This is more common in the internet age, since people can get all sorts of false information (and true info, for that matter) from Fan Dumb and other Hate Dumb; and when release dates are staggered, there can be preemptive haters on the same board as people who do have access to the work. Remakes of works are frequent targets of this — people anticipate Adaptation Decay. On the bright side, the odds of getting a preemptive hater to see the work when the time comes is better than that for someone complaining about a extant show they don't watch.
The Foe Yay Fans: They hate the show. They hate every one of the 42 hours per week they spend watching it. They hate every one of the 49 hours per week they spend blogging about it. They hate the crappy merchandise and only buy it all so that they can get a deeper knowledge of the many ways it's bad... It's the opposite of Complaining about Shows You Don't Watch. Being informed about the work so one isn't accused of Complaining about Shows You Don't Watchis good, but this hater takes it overboard by spending more time obsessing over their object of hate than the fans do. Expect some of these people to use the Insane Troll Logic that somehow, because this show is still on, it affects the quality of the shows that they like. Corporate creators love this kind of Hate Dumb better than a lukewarm fandom — it's more profitable, and gives them free advertisement. (They spread the show word of mouth, people actually see it to see how bad it really is...you get the picture. See the Periphery Demographic of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic for how effective advertisers these anti-fans can be). In a nutshell; this is the kind of person who claims to have been lost as a customer; yet they keep buying from you again and again...and sometimes even brings in new customers who try out of Bile Fascination and discover Critical Backlash instead.
I Was Just Passing Through:Foe Yay fans who claim, not just that they hate the show, but that they've found something better. Yet, no matter what, they are true to their original Hate Dumb despite the new show. Their perverse attachment to the old hated work is often stronger than that to the show they claim to be a fan of — assuming they aren't Gushing About Shows They Don't Watch. These customers are like the above; but they make sure to let you know that your competitors are better...yet for some reason keep going back to you. Very common in MMOs where you'll see somebody raving about how much better some other MMO is.
The Revenge Troll: This is a hater who is Foe Yay indeed, but they appear to have taken their hatred to personal levels. This may overlap with the Author Haters as well. Expect them to constantly wish for the work's demise, or for the author to retire, obsessing about it like they want revenge on something. They may often misblame the object of their hatred to have caused their favourite show to be canceled, or act more like the show or the author snuck into their house at night and murdered their family while they slept. However; in the more extreme examples, some people will even cross the Moral Event Horizon, wishing not just cancellation on the show but wishing for the author or the creators and/or writers of the shownote or sometimes even everyone who was ever involved with the show (the main actors, the set-designers, actors who made a one-shot appearance on the show and never appeared on it again after that, the sky's the limit) to have terrible things happen to them in real life. This is even more off-putting because they are wishing this on real people, not just fictional characters. The ones who take it that far often overlap with the Internet Tough Guy (what better way to creep people out than to threaten or publicly wish harm on another human being?).
The Chronic Flouncer: He is so done with the show, and he will tell you so with an epic post detailing just how much he hates it now and how much better the first season was, capping his post with a seemingly final goodbye to everyone because have we mentioned that he is completely and utterly done with this terrible show? He's dunzo. Finished. Over it. Until next week, at least, when he's back to complain yet again about the next episode, which he took the time to watch, then complain bitterly about its terrible quality. Afterward, he announces yet again that he is done for really, really, real this time! Don't get too comfortable with his absence, because he'll be back not only for next week's episode but for the next season as well, which he will, of course, vow in his weekly farewell address to not watch even at gunpoint.
Hipster Hater: Often a Foe Yay fan. They insist that their obsession with the object of their hate is "ironic", or insist that any work which becomes mainstream has "sold out" and cannot be True Art: if it's popular, it sucks. They cannot be an acknowledged fan to a popular work, so they are this instead. This tends to overlap with business hatred, too. Many of these guys will buy alternate brand names or other such stuff to "Stick it to the man". Expect many of these people to complain about businesses trying to make a profit, such as saying it is "unforgivable" that businesses *gasp* have terms of service or ask money for their works. Corporate creators have no problems with this sort of Hate Dumb, either.
The Art Critic: Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the Lowest Common Denominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it! Some decry video games for "instant gratification" or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. Sometimes, these guys are even more harsh on works that are distributed for free or something they pirated like video games or movies.
Overlapping very heavily with this is the Hypocrite fan. This type of fan is from Fandom Rivalry more often than not, but they often hate trait(s) of other shows/genres, but at the same time, their own work does the exact same thing, too.
One common Rival Fan is the fan of a different version of the work, often a fan of the source material for the adaptation. They tend to hold a grudge against the adaptation for every change it makes from the original (whether necessary or unnecessary). Take, for example, the rabid fan of Pygmalion who bears a grudge against My Fair Lady for being a musical romance instead of a social satire. Naturally, this tends to overlap with Pop Culture Snob (books are always better than moving pictures!) and Preemptive Hater (I saw a photo of the film shoot in Cinemafangique, I knew all along they were going to ruin the book!)
The Hate Monger: A kind of Hate Dumb that exists around specific characters within a work. They may or may not be a fan of that work itself, but they will not tolerate the existence of the specific characters at all. Whenever the character is even put into focus, the hater will be the first to cry "Spotlight-Stealing Squad!" They also use the "Mary Sue" label as a weapon and declare the character they do not like a Mary Sue. It does not matter if the character really is a Mary Sue; nor does it matter if the hate monger has any idea what a Mary Sue is supposed to be — these people have devalued the term. Even if they are right about the character taking too much screentime, their hatred of that character impairs their common sense. They will not allow the character to have fansif they can help it. Hate Mongers have also been known to call "Wangst" (or a synonym thereof) on someone being justifiably sad... Sometimes, the Hate Monger is a bitter result of Die for Our Ship or Fandom Rivalry around a specific character, hating a character because they want to see more of one they like. The Scrappy is a common target by definition. Someone who tends to be made a Draco in Leather Pants is also a frequent target, even if the voice of moderation tries to speak up. Often a subset of The Mad Bride/Groom, as pairings and OTPs tend to have someonelose out.
The Mad Homophobe: A type of Hate Monger who frequently throws around accusations of homosexuality, mostly Gay. Typically, this is the first thing they say about a character, that they are gay with little justification. Someone is best friends with a member of the same sex? They're gay lovers. Someone isn't interested in romance? They're gay. Someone is Asexual? They're gay. Someone is masculine? They're gay. Guy is Bishounen? He's gay. Anyone was portrayed as gay by Fans? They're canonically gay. Often bizarre versions of Love Makes You Hateful — they'll be fine with any romance as long as it's not gay. If it is — oops, not for kids, or HOLY FUCK NOT CANON!!
Love Makes You Hateful: A mutation of The Mad Bride/Groom, these are usually self-proclaimed ex-fans who ragequit fandom when their favorite pairing was jossed, or worse, made fun of — whether or not the creator actually insulted pairings or not. Hate Fic, Die for Our Ship, all those good fandom-ruining stereotypes can be traced back to these brand of crazies.
Bandwagon Hater: Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for Acceptable Targets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and no fun to do it alone. Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will like the Acceptable Target but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been fans of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to hate it. A very good way of spotting this if any Caustic Critic releases a scathing review, or if the majority of a fanbase or popular forum hates it, even if they had previously liked the work, and afterwords, start carbon-copying their opinions, sometimes word for word. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in Fan Dumb, as well. Essentially; this is what the page quote is; the person who hates something not because they genuinely dislike it but because the "cool kids" told them to.
The Wannabe Caustic Critic: Runs about nitpicking things — a misplaced pixel? This game is trash. An artistic choice that I don't like? The fans are morons. They will savage everything and anything about a media... without the wit, grace, and, worst of all, humor of the people they attempt to emulate. Everything in this work is incredibly, irredeemably shitty to them, and expect far more personal attacks than anything approaching criticism. Warning: don't compare them to popular Caustic Critics. Actually, please do, and watch the extreme anger.
The Willfully Blind: Yes, these exist in Hate Dumb too. Similar to the willfully blind in Fan Dumb, the Hate Dumb variety will refuse to acknowledge any potential strengths or possibly even anything that was done correctly. The willfully blind may also try and convince everyone else to Hand Wave the strengths because they do not exist. They are prone to Accentuate the Negative arguments or reviews. Sometimes, they may have a single issue about the work and hate it solely because of that — usually because they stopped watching afterwards. Expect even in-depth reviews written by this hater to discuss only the parts they know and can't stand. Even if the production staff ran every decision by them, they would complain about how they "weren't asked enough". No matter what, the willfully blind will fixate on a single flaw or any weaknesses.
The Genre Alien: The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the Foe Yay variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and then complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre what it is. (For instance, they might complain about kiss scenes in romance movies, blood and swearing in Die Hard, or soft rock band America not being "heavy enough".) They may be constructive, or attempt to be constructive, but when they start complaining about Fundamental Genre tropes as "weaknesses" or suggest rewriting the show in its entirety and changing the story to fit how they would view it as an improvement, (This is not considered constructive criticism in the creative writing field) then it pretty much stops being constructive criticism and starts to veer into "Destructive Criticism" territory. This brings out a subspecies called The Mad Editor.
Made The Wrong Turn: Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of Stephen Colbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Queen or X Japan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like Supernatural. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, even if that's the point of the work), the PC Crusader or the Un-PC Crusader (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe.
Everything is the same: These haters are commonly known for having a minimalistic view of fandoms they don't belong to. Sometimes, entire franchises or genres will attract these types of haters. They will pull the "It's the exact same as this"-card, sometimes without even seeing it. They sometimes have no moderate or casual likes; they view everything they aren't an outright fan of narrowly. For instance, somebody who does not like High-School dramas might view every show set in high school as being like Degrassi. Note that, in such a case, it is possible that they likeDegrassi and just think all the others are redundant (since they're the same) and thus pointless — in which case, they're likely a Rival Fan. Many times, they invoke the "They Copied It, So It Sucks" card and accuse everything of being a ripoff of something they consider quality, even works that came out before the work they like.
"Stop Having Fun" Guys: The "Stop Having Fun" Guys will insist that everyone else is doing it wrong. They not only hate the other fans who enjoy it a specific way, but will also insult other haters. These people are often known for having very specific single-issue criteria when they pick something new, which causes them to have ridiculously high standards. In the worst cases, they'll join a Hatedom because the work they tried to be a fan of was too...different from what they normally like; instead of trying to adapt, they claim it to be crap and that everyone who likes it doesn't know what true fun is. Some of these people will go on tangents explaining one situation they had with a game and then insisting the entire game is like that. Many times; the hatred of new editions, updates, or sequels consist of these people who complain about how the developers are "punishing skill" amongst other things because they assessed widely exploited glitches and shortcomings. Read the article for some more specific examples.
Nostalgia Inversion: Nostalgia Inversion is when Hype Backlash and Seinfeld Is Unfunny mix. The hater refuses to realize that something wasn't made in the present day, and refuses to make allowance for it. They cannot put themselves in the correct mindset to watch a work made before its genre got deconstructed. Or they expect special effects to look the same in the '50s as in the '00s.
The opposite is the Nostalgia Filter. You will notice that we have a trope for this — because it is such a common behaviour to trash on the modern stuff and idealize the stuff you liked when you were younger, because it's skewed through the years that you only remember the good parts — not the fact that there was a Periphery Hatedom for something that was marketed to you at age six. Not the fact that even adults were criticising it for the same reasons you criticize the modern stuff for...only the good parts, ie, the pros. For a more in-depth example, check the article, but this is an unfortunate type because it's so propagated and encouraged in fandom.
Anne (or Andy) Titlement: Anne Titlement is a type of hater who claims that nobody makes the kinds of work they enjoy anymore, or that there isn't enough of it. Any examples of that work or related works (by genre or by creator sometimes) have already been enjoyed and Anne Titlement wants more. Well, that's valid, right? Not when it means you begin viciously attacking everything else. This type of hater is shocked, shocked that something was made without them in mind. And if you are a fan of such a work, then it's your fault that nothing "good" is made anymore. Anne Titlement often views things through a sharp Nostalgia Filter. In their mind, hating something is never their fault. Unfortunately, this type of entitlement is practically encouraged in Film and Video Games.
A subset of the above, The Periphery Hate Dumb: This is someone who clearly hates something, yet it should be obvious why — it clearly wasn't made with their demographic in mind. Most people actually hate on something that wasn't made for them (Works developed for young children most come to mind, followed closely by stuff that is known for targeting the opposite gender), so you would honestly think they would ignore it, right? Nope. Part of the reason this hatedom came into being was when parents decided to watch the shows their kid watched and, as natural, because it wasn't made for them (Same way most shows parents enjoy aren't made for children) they disliked it. Unfortunately this has caused it to be associated with Maturity, meaning that in an effort to be "cool" and look "mature", people often deny any association to that show made for younger children. This sometimes overlaps with the Culture Alien in that they often come up with complaints about the show that is pretty much what makes it a kid/boy/girl-friendly show in the first place, and taking their constructive criticisms seriously would result in an In Name Only show that's a complete genre shift, as is the Mad Editor.
The Crusader: Hating something is Serious Business to these people; it is practically their life's mission is to spread the message of Hatedom around. The Crusader is frequently launching Holy wars against forums, sometimes even organizing spam-raids on forums, or frequently derailing threads to state why they think it sucks. These types have been the cause of more work pages being locked on this very wiki than a lot of us are proud of.
The Purist: One of the most wide encompassing forms of Hate Dumb, and arguably, an unholy abomination of multiple kinds of Haters rolled into one entitled person. Purists have an ideal vision on how a franchise can go, but sometimes, Purists can go several steps beyond just having an ideal view of a franchise. The Purist can also have an idealized view of the fandom of a particular franchise, and even in worst cases, the entire market. Naturally, many of these guys tend to hate franchises based solely off of the fans themselves, often citing the fandom as one of the reasons they dislike a franchise, sometimes not even giving it a chance. The Purist also does not stop at just hating fans, but also, they believe that they are the centre (And largest contributer) of the entire market, thus, any and all executive decisions should not be made without consulting them first. Any new demographic being brought into the market, or a simple shift in demographic will not only get the Fan Dumb crying, but also the haters, because they will hate these newcomers to the market with almost every passion of their being. Because The Purist has a very idealised vision of their own fandom; naturally, they are often the type to declare new fans to "not be true fans" of the series, any new entries to "not be true entries". VERY prone to They Changed It, Now It Sucks-type arguments. There are also versions of the Purist who will simply point out any shift/expansion in demographic to be a reason why it sucks. Amongst long essays about how new Johnny-Come-Latelys have ruined the market/fandom/show forever, as well as how it was better when it wasn't popular, also expect Slippery Slope type arguments about why it is bad, and how they expect Follow the Leader to come against them. (Once more, mentioning a similar argument about any Follow the Leader type stuff against your interests will not be responded to, at best, or countered with an essay on how wrong you are and how you have no taste, if not a Hand Wave.)
Stealth Fans: These are not truly haters, but rather fans, who appeal to the large Hatedom of their object of obsession in order to spread the word. They will derail every thread, come up with the lamest of jokes and in general, will do anything to put the alleged object of their hate into the center of attention. Fan Haters will generally take the bait, and what was before a previously completely unrelated topic will now be derailed into a discussion over how horrible that certain thing is. Not only does the corporate world love these guys, many of them are actually corporate agents themselves, actively involved in viral marketing.
Douchey McNitpick: Is there an easily explained "plot hole", unexplained science, lack of obvious exposition, and disregard of reality? Don't worry! Douchey McNitpick is here to incessantly criticize and bitch about every single detail that 'doesn't make sense'! Like "holy shit, Character X talked to Sally five minutes ago, she shouldn't have to talk to Sally again!" or "the system of magic used here is obviously going to cause a holocaust due to my imaginary Fridge Logic, despite it being explained already because I wasn't watching too carefully!" Often uses the excuse of 'for comedic purposes' when called out.
The PC Crusader:: If there's a minority in a work of fiction, it's racist,homophobic, sexist trash.No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated, the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? Magical Negro. A black villain? Unfortunate Implications! A feminine woman? Real Women Never Wear Dresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Some ironically stereotype entire mediums because of certain works displaying misogyny/homophobia (it's okay to stereotype when we do it!), blame everything on white people (it's not racist when we do it!), and others grasp at straws to get offended. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is notputting minority characters into a work.
The Un-PC Crusader: What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Bitches should get back in the kitchen/faggots go suck dick/niggers get enslaved! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed Political Correctness Gone Mad, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and take it as a sign of the pussification of society, where women were barefoot and in the kitchen, often making "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, or rushing to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices in the guise of 'free speech'.
More often than not, the above two members of Hate Dumb will fight, for obvious reasons, and cause a vicious cycle of blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: Fan Wank). And more often than not, the PC Crusader will fight with other Crusaders over what minority is more oppressed, if a minority should be treated as a sacred cow or like anyone else, etc. etc. In any case, it's great fun to watch.
The Anti-Romantic: The bizarro version of The Mad Bride/Groom; any hint of shipping or romance in the fandom will send them into a frothing rage instead of a squee of fangirl glee. You can see these species endlessly lambasting a fandom upon learning about a fan-made pairings, blaming tween girls and other scapegoats for their departure from fandom/why they refuse to associate with fans. Often just as stupid as rabid shippers themselves. They infest all works, regardless of whether or not the actual work itself has romance or otherwise.
The Demonizer: This is the Hate Dumb version of the Fandom Moral Guardian. He will find anything violent/sexual/other in this work and say that it will cause anyone who watches it to do something horrible. If something bad happens (and especially if the work is involved), expect to hear this guy say that it was responsible and needs to be banned. Related to the PC Crusader, this is an early stage in becoming a Moral Guardian.
The Godwin's Law Enforcer The unholy cross between a Fan Hater and a Demonizer. A hate dumb will have these guys depending on how long the work/genre/animation has been around (if it's been around that long) and who were fond of that certain work. If the work/genre/animation was liked by someone considered horrible (or whom they consider horrible), then they'll compare the fans of said work to that person. See Hitler Ate Sugar.
Downvoters: Their behaviour can best be described as a cross between that of a rival fan and somebody complaining about shows they don't watch. As the name implies they main form of interest is to go on a review site and give any work on the same 'best' list that somehow got a higher score than the work they are a fan of a score of 0 or 1 out of 10. It does not matter to them whether or not the work is good, or even if they have seen it, the sheer fact that it scores higher on the same list is for them enough justification to give it a score that is that low. These type of haters (together with the Fan Dumb they may outbalance) can reduce the quality of a review site a lot and lots of review sites have taken measures to prevent this hatedom from doing what it does. (Lemon64 for instance, publishes below its own top 100 games list a list with the most controversial voters, which are people that gave a 1 or 2 out of 10 on the best list or 9 or 10 out of 10 on the 'worst list' in order to make it easier to see to who you should listen and to who not).