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'''Kim:''' I would've never guessed when it came down to the basics. Well, let's just say the birds and bees will be very confused.
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'''Kim:''' I would've never guessed when it came down to the basics. Well, let's just say the birds and bees will would be very confused.
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* CantGetAwayWithNuthin: Harry finally has some luck in the romance department... and it results in a diplomatic incident, an [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything STD in all but name]] with symptoms that hang around for weeks, a formal reprimand on his record, and a broken heart.
* ComeBackToBedHoney: Tal says this to Harry after their first time having sex. Harry, however, is too busy fretting over the fact that he violated Starfleet regulations and Janeway's direct orders. So Tal says ThatsAnOrder and he complies (until the warp transfer starts and he realises they're both late for their shift).
* ComeBackToBedHoney: Tal says this to Harry after their first time having sex. Harry, however, is too busy fretting over the fact that he violated Starfleet regulations and Janeway's direct orders. So Tal says ThatsAnOrder and he complies (until the warp transfer starts and he realises they're both late for their shift).
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* CantGetAwayWithNuthin: Harry finally has some luck in the romance department... and it results in a diplomatic incident, an [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything an STD in all but name]] with symptoms that hang around for weeks, a formal reprimand on his record, and a broken heart.
* ComeBackToBedHoney: Tal says this to Harry after their first time having sex. Harry, however, is too busy fretting over the fact that he violated Starfleet regulations and Janeway's direct orders. So Tal says ThatsAnOrder and he complies (until thewarp antimatter transfer starts and he realises they're both late for their shift).
* ComeBackToBedHoney: Tal says this to Harry after their first time having sex. Harry, however, is too busy fretting over the fact that he violated Starfleet regulations and Janeway's direct orders. So Tal says ThatsAnOrder and he complies (until the
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* DeadpanSnarker: Tuvok's in fine form!
** When explaining how he brushes off Tom so fast, "I wait until his own illogic overwhelms him."
** When explaining how he brushes off Tom so fast, "I wait until his own illogic overwhelms him."
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* DeadpanSnarker: Tuvok's in fine form!
**form! When explaining how he brushes off Tom so fast, "I wait until his own illogic overwhelms him."
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* DoubleStandard: At the end, Janeway admits that she held Harry to a different standard than the rest of the senior staff (most of which isn't even Starfleet) because he had always been "by the book" before having relations with Tal.
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* DoubleStandard: At the end, Janeway admits that she held Harry to a different standard than the rest of the senior staff (most of which isn't even Starfleet) staff because he had always been "by the book" before having relations with Tal.
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Harry disobeying regulations? And the captain's orders? And then ''yelling'' at her on the bridge? {{Lampshaded}} by Janeway herself, who points out that Harry isn't behaving like himself--and he's actually glad that she noticed.
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Harry disobeying regulations? And the captain's orders? And then ''yelling'' at her on the bridge? {{Lampshaded}} by Janeway herself, who points out that Harry isn't behaving like himself--and himself -- and he's actually glad that she noticed.
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** ... and TAL is in the movement!
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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: ''Voyager'' has, at most, 40,000 light years to go, 35-40 years left if they don't get help, hardly multiple generations' worth. Maybe Janeway was trying to talk Jippeq up and play up their similar aspects.
** Janeway was definitely trying to charm Jippeq like that with her talk about their being cousins. But aside from that, 40 years is enough for two more human standard generations of 20 years each.
* SpaceNomads: But what happens if some of you are tired of traveling...
* ThisIsGonnaSuck: Harry has to face the Captain after the Doctor tells her of his... indiscretion...
** Janeway was definitely trying to charm Jippeq like that with her talk about their being cousins. But aside from that, 40 years is enough for two more human standard generations of 20 years each.
* SpaceNomads: But what happens if some of you are tired of traveling...
* ThisIsGonnaSuck: Harry has to face the Captain after the Doctor tells her of his... indiscretion...
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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: ''Voyager'' has, at most, 40,000 50,000 light years to go, 35-40 40-50 years left if they don't get help, hardly multiple generations' worth. Maybe Janeway was trying to talk Jippeq up and play up their similar aspects.
** Janeway was definitely trying to charm Jippeq like that with her talk about their being cousins. But aside from that, 40 years is enough for two more human standard generations of 20 years each.
* SpaceNomads: But what happens if some of you are tired of traveling...
traveling?
* StandardFemaleGrabArea: As further evidence of poor Harry's chew toy status, ''Seven'' does this to him while marching him to Sickbay.
* ThisIsGonnaSuck: Harry has to face the Captain after the Doctor tells her of his... indiscretion...indiscretion.
* StandardFemaleGrabArea: As further evidence of poor Harry's chew toy status, ''Seven'' does this to him while marching him to Sickbay.
* ThisIsGonnaSuck: Harry has to face the Captain after the Doctor tells her of his...
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* CuttingTheElectronicLeash: Tal tears the commbadge off Harry's chest and tosses it aside. His objections stop as soon as they start kissing him again.
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* CuttingTheElectronicLeash: Tal tears the commbadge off Harry's chest and tosses it aside. His objections stop as soon as they start she starts kissing him again.
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[[caption-width-right:350:Harry Kim and Captain Janeway have it out something ''fierce,'' and wait till you hear the reason why.]]
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* SpaceNomads: But what happens if some of you are tired of traveling...
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* TranquilFury: After Harry disobeys orders the first time he has sex with Tal, Janeway quietly expresses her [[DisappointedInYou disappointment in him]]. After he does it a second time, however, and follows it up by yelling at her on TheBridge, she looks like she's on the verge of throwing him out an airlock.
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* HumanAliens: Played with -- the Varro ''look'' human enough, aside from some markings on their backs, but physiologically they turn out to be ''very'' different, a fact which is lampshaded by Tal.
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Harry asks Janeway if, had she been offered a hypospray that would make her stop loving her fiancé after learning he'd married someone else, she would have taken it. She doesn't seem to have an answer for that (although the conversation is interrupted at this point by the Varro ship starting to break apart).
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* DidYouJustHaveSex: Paris isn't fooled for a second when Harry and Tal make sure to arrive for duty separately, and Harry claims to have been "checking the plasma conduits in segment 22" -- having evidently stopped to take a sonic shower while he was there. He confronts Harry over this as soon as they're out of the room (although he doesn't tell anyone, and even covers for him later).
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* LoveIsAWeakness: Seven argues that this is the case, outright comparing it to a [[TitleDrop disease]] due to the physiological changes it causes. [[DefrostingIceQueen She reconsiders this by the end]], though, noting that Harry's experiences have actually made him stronger in some respects, as he is determined to face the consequences head-on.
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Not So Different has been renamed, and it needs to be dewicked/moved
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* NotSoDifferent: Janeway compares the Varro situation to their own, speculating that Voyager may be in the Delta Quadrant for multiple generations too.
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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: ''Voyager'' has, at most, 40,000 light years to go, 35-40 years left if they don't get help, hardly multiple generations' worth. Maybe Janeway was trying to talk Jippeq up and play up the NotSoDifferent aspects.
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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: ''Voyager'' has, at most, 40,000 light years to go, 35-40 years left if they don't get help, hardly multiple generations' worth. Maybe Janeway was trying to talk Jippeq up and play up the NotSoDifferent their similar aspects.
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Harry having sex and coming down with a condition practically screams "STD."
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything:
** Harry having sex and coming down with a condition practically screams "STD.""
** This episode could've also been called "Addiction". After Harry gets his first dose of something that makes him feel good, he becomes increasingly desperate for his next fix to the point of breaking the rules. Janeway essentially has to stage an intervention to bring him back to his senses, and he ends up with severe withdrawal when he has to quit cold turkey.
** Harry having sex and coming down with a condition practically screams "STD.
** This episode could've also been called "Addiction". After Harry gets his first dose of something that makes him feel good, he becomes increasingly desperate for his next fix to the point of breaking the rules. Janeway essentially has to stage an intervention to bring him back to his senses, and he ends up with severe withdrawal when he has to quit cold turkey.
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* UnfortunateNames: Why did they call a sex episode "[[TheDiseaseThatShallNotBeNamed The Disease]]"?
** Because Seven's description of love makes it sound like a disease, as Harry points out. That, and Harry comes down with a condition as a result of his affair.
** Ever heard of being "love-sick?"
** Because Seven's description of love makes it sound like a disease, as Harry points out. That, and Harry comes down with a condition as a result of his affair.
** Ever heard of being "love-sick?"
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* FakeStatic: Not in the most general sense, but Tom cuts off Harry's communication with Tal before he can be discovered.
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* FakeStatic: Not in the most general sense, but Tom cuts off [[IntimateTelecommunications Harry's communication with Tal Tal]] before he can be discovered.
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* SeriesContinuityError: Fans complained how we'd never heard of this regulation before, especially given Captain Kirk's reputation. Of course, the regulation could have been made after The Original Series. And who's to say the other main characters don't make a discrete visit to the Doctor before engaging in an InterspeciesRomance with the [[GirlOfTheWeek Guest Star Of The Week]]?
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* SeriesContinuityError: The episode introduces a (sensible) regulation that Starfleet personnel must have clearance from the CMO and TheCaptain before the "BoldlyComing" variant of FirstContact, due to pitfalls both biological and political. Fans complained how we'd never heard of this regulation before, especially given Captain Kirk's reputation. Of course, the regulation could have been made enacted after The Original Series. him (or [[NeverLiveItDown because of him]]). And who's to say the that other main characters don't make a discrete visit haven't been making discreet visits to the Doctor before engaging in an InterspeciesRomance with the [[GirlOfTheWeek Guest Star Of The Week]]?Week]]? Whatever the case, the fact that the rule was retroactively {{Hand Wave}}d for as much as 15 years of television made some viewers sour.
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* AllSpeciesAreSexuallyCompatible: Averted with a GettingCrapPastTheRadar discussion over the matter.
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* AllSpeciesAreSexuallyCompatible: Averted with a GettingCrapPastTheRadar discussion over the matter.
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* LaymansTerms: Inverted by Seven:
--> '''Seven''': You're glowing.
--> '''Kim''': Beg pardon?
--> '''Seven''': Your epidermis luminesced.
--> '''Seven''': You're glowing.
--> '''Kim''': Beg pardon?
--> '''Seven''': Your epidermis luminesced.
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** Ever heard of being "love-sick?"
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** Janeway was definitely trying to charm Jippeq like that with her talk about their being cousins. But aside from that, 40 years is enough for two more human standard generations of 20 years each.
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There are a LOT of Oners in this episode. Some are only about thirty seconds long, two are over the two minute mark, and a couple of others are in between.
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** A rather spectacular one from the outside of a gigantic GenerationShip, zooming into the windows of an apartment, twisting around to... Harry and Tal entering and making out.
** Another one, full of tension in which Harry tries to convince Janeway that his and Tal's biochemical bond is not a danger as long as they're together, coming from the briefing room, through the bridge where Harry yells at his Captain in full view of everyone, and into the ready room.
** A rather spectacular one from the outside of a gigantic GenerationShip, zooming into the windows of an apartment, twisting around to... Harry and Tal entering and making out.
** Another one, full of tension in which Harry tries to convince Janeway that his and Tal's biochemical bond is not a danger as long as they're together, coming from the briefing room, through the bridge where Harry yells at his Captain in full view of everyone, and into the ready room.
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* TheOner:
TheOner: This episode is, in fact, practically composed of them; though none of them constitute the longest shot in ''Trek'' history - no individual shot in "''The Disease''" is more than two-and-a-half minutes in length - this episode overall arguably represented the most ambitious direction in the franchise up to this point. It's as if DavidLivingston went far out of his way to avoid using ShotReverseShot whenever practical:
**A To open the episode, a rather spectacular one from the outside of a the gigantic GenerationShip, GenerationShip forms the entire Teaser, scrolling across the lengthy vessel, zooming into and through the windows of an apartment, before twisting around to... Harry and Tal entering and making out.
** Jippeq and Janeway's argument about the level of access ''Voyager'' has been given to the Varro ship, and their subsequent conversation about the similarities between their two species, are each a single shot. In fact, if it weren't for an insert shot of a display panel, it's possible that the surrounding Oners were, in fact, an even longer shot put together.
** Though it's relatively short, at least compared to two later Oners, a scene in the cargo bay where Tom grills Harry about his continuing to contact Tal, practically ignoring Chakotay's instructions to the gathered crew in the process, also plays out as a single shot.
** Another one, over two minutes long, full of tension in which Harry tries to convince Janeway that his and Tal's biochemical bond is not a danger as long as they're together,coming moves from the briefing room, through the bridge where Harry yells at his Captain in full view of everyone, and into the ready room.room where the entirety of the conversation plays out. There is only, finally, a cut when the GenerationShip begins to decompress.
** Harry's goodbye to Tal, while only just under a minute long, is filmed as a continuous shot.
** The entire scene in Sickbay immediately after, where Harry refuses to take the EMH's medication, and has a gentle conversation with Janeway about his history and growth on ''Voyager'', is also filmed as one shot, and runs for roughly the same amount of time as the earlier argument Oner.
** The very final scene in the mess hall is split into two shots: the first, a dynamic and flowing shot that follows Neelix through and out of the mess hall, shifting its' focus to Seven of Nine at the end: the second, a static medium shot of both Seven and Harry.
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** Jippeq and Janeway's argument about the level of access ''Voyager'' has been given to the Varro ship, and their subsequent conversation about the similarities between their two species, are each a single shot. In fact, if it weren't for an insert shot of a display panel, it's possible that the surrounding Oners were, in fact, an even longer shot put together.
** Though it's relatively short, at least compared to two later Oners, a scene in the cargo bay where Tom grills Harry about his continuing to contact Tal, practically ignoring Chakotay's instructions to the gathered crew in the process, also plays out as a single shot.
** Another one, over two minutes long, full of tension in which Harry tries to convince Janeway that his and Tal's biochemical bond is not a danger as long as they're together,
** Harry's goodbye to Tal, while only just under a minute long, is filmed as a continuous shot.
** The entire scene in Sickbay immediately after, where Harry refuses to take the EMH's medication, and has a gentle conversation with Janeway about his history and growth on ''Voyager'', is also filmed as one shot, and runs for roughly the same amount of time as the earlier argument Oner.
** The very final scene in the mess hall is split into two shots: the first, a dynamic and flowing shot that follows Neelix through and out of the mess hall, shifting its' focus to Seven of Nine at the end: the second, a static medium shot of both Seven and Harry.
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* ComeBackToBedHoney: Tal says this to Harry after their first time having sex. Harry, however, is too busy fretting over the fact that he violated Starfleet regulations and Janeway's direct orders.
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* ComeBackToBedHoney: Tal says this to Harry after their first time having sex. Harry, however, is too busy fretting over the fact that he violated Starfleet regulations and Janeway's direct orders. So Tal says ThatsAnOrder and he complies (until the warp transfer starts and he realises they're both late for their shift).
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* ModestyBedsheet: A more justified example than most; Tal wakes up naked but wrapped in a bedsheet, to see Harry standing dressed in his underclothes and angsting over how he's breaking Starfleet regulations with his SecretRelationship. Tal of course urges him to ComeBackToBedHoney.
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* SexyBack: Done with this trope's version of RubberForeheadAliens. Tal post coitus and wrapped in a bedsheet, shows her back marked by some kind of alien skin pattern.
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* SexyBack: Done with this trope's version of RubberForeheadRidges. Tal post coitus and wrapped in a bedsheet, shows her back marked by some kind of alien skin pattern.
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* SexyBack: Done with this trope's version of RubberForeheadRidges.RubberForeheadAliens. Tal post coitus and wrapped in a bedsheet, shows her back marked by some kind of alien skin pattern.
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* CuttingTheElectronicLeash: Tal tears the commbadge off Harry's chest and tosses it aside. His objections stop as soon as they start kissing him again.
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** However, it's brought to attention that Harry [[BoldlyComing engages in first contact]] without being medically cleared (which is brought up for the first time in the franchise) and does end up catching a biochemical disease (unlike some of the previous sexual encounters where the people involved were simply manipulated, sometimes through what some may consider dubious mental abilities), not to mention that this particular encounter had the Varro captain issue strict orders against any non-work related contact, and that Harry himself is just an Ensign (as opposed to the higher-ranking commanding positions Kirk, Riker, Chakotay and Janeway have) and as such his transgression will always be treated as a violation of orders. It's also worth noting that Chakotay questions whether a formal reprimand is an appropriate punishment or overly harsh.
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* ButtMonkey: Poor Harry. He ''finally'' gets some lovin', and is reprimanded for violating regulations and Janeway's direct orders. Oh, and the ''olan'vora'' leaves him feeling literally lovesick.
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* ButtMonkey: Poor Harry. He ''finally'' gets some lovin', and is reprimanded for violating regulations and both Janeway's and Jippeq's direct orders.orders. He also nearly gets suspected of being part of Tal's separatist movement. Oh, and the ''olan'vora'' leaves him feeling literally lovesick.
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** However, it's brought to attention that Harry [[BoldlyComing engages in first contact]] without being medically cleared (which is brought up for the first time in the franchise) and does end up catching a biochemical disease (unlike some of the previous sexual encounters where the people involved were simply manipulated, sometimes through what some may consider dubious mental abilities), not to mention that these particular encounter had the Varro strictly against any non-work related contact, and that Harry himself is just an Ensign (as opposed to the higher-ranking commanding positions Kirk, Riker, Chakotay and Janeway have) and as such his transgression will always be treated as a violation of orders. It's also worth noting that Chakotay questions whether a formal reprimand is an appropriate punishment or overly harsh.
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** However, it's brought to attention that Harry [[BoldlyComing engages in first contact]] without being medically cleared (which is brought up for the first time in the franchise) and does end up catching a biochemical disease (unlike some of the previous sexual encounters where the people involved were simply manipulated, sometimes through what some may consider dubious mental abilities), not to mention that these this particular encounter had the Varro strictly captain issue strict orders against any non-work related contact, and that Harry himself is just an Ensign (as opposed to the higher-ranking commanding positions Kirk, Riker, Chakotay and Janeway have) and as such his transgression will always be treated as a violation of orders. It's also worth noting that Chakotay questions whether a formal reprimand is an appropriate punishment or overly harsh.
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** However, it's brought to attention that Harry [[BoldlyComing engages in first contact]] without being medically cleared (which is brought up for the first time in the franchise) and does end up catching a biochemical disease (unlike some of the previous sexual encounters where the people involved were simply manipulated, sometimes through what some may consider dubious mental abilities), not to mention that these particular encounter had the Varro strictly against any non-work related contact, and that Harry himself is just an Ensign (as opposed to the highest-ranking commanding positions Kirk, Riker, Chakotay and Janeway have) and as such his transgression will always be treated as a violation of orders.
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** However, it's brought to attention that Harry [[BoldlyComing engages in first contact]] without being medically cleared (which is brought up for the first time in the franchise) and does end up catching a biochemical disease (unlike some of the previous sexual encounters where the people involved were simply manipulated, sometimes through what some may consider dubious mental abilities), not to mention that these particular encounter had the Varro strictly against any non-work related contact, and that Harry himself is just an Ensign (as opposed to the highest-ranking higher-ranking commanding positions Kirk, Riker, Chakotay and Janeway have) and as such his transgression will always be treated as a violation of orders.orders. It's also worth noting that Chakotay questions whether a formal reprimand is an appropriate punishment or overly harsh.
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* ButtMonkey: Poor Harry. He ''finally'' gets some lovin', and is reprimanded for violating regulations and Janeway's direct orders. Oh, and the ''olan'vora'' leaves him feeling literally lovesick.
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* MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch: Tal doesn't share her species' xenophobia, and it turns out that she's not the only one.
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** Another one, full of tension in which Harry tries to convince Janeway that his and Tal's biochemical bond is not a danger as long as they're together, coming from the briefing room, through the bridge where Harry [[TooDumbToLive yells at his Captain in full view of everyone]], and into the ready room.
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** Another one, full of tension in which Harry tries to convince Janeway that his and Tal's biochemical bond is not a danger as long as they're together, coming from the briefing room, through the bridge where Harry [[TooDumbToLive yells at his Captain in full view of everyone]], everyone, and into the ready room.
