History NeverLiveItDown / VideoGames

* Matt Furniss is a composer who was active throughout UsefulNotes/The16bitEraOfConsoleVideoGames, and contributed to many well-regarded soundtracks across multiple consoles and home computers. He also, as a joke, included [[https://tcrf.net/Mad_Professor_Mariarti a hidden message]] in the files for the UsefulNotes/{{Amiga}} game ''Mad Professor Mariarti'' in which he threatened to break the legs of anyone who tried to hack the game. Guess which of these things he's more well known for across the internet.

* Chrom got hit with the trailer for his companions Robin and daughter Lucina in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosForNintendo3DSAndWiiU''. He lays on the ground unconscious after a brawl with [[VideoGame/{{FZero}} Captain Falcon]], which is where he ends up for almost all of the trailer until he wakes up and quips that he might get another chance to fight in Smash another time. He was then shown later in the video- as a Final Smash for Robin. Fans ran ''wild'' with this revelation, and jokes about [[MemeticLoser Chrom and his in-game status]] were immediately spread out across the internet. It doesn't help that Palutena makes fun of this in Robin's Palutena's Guidance segment in the Wii U version. With Chrom's addition as an [[MovesetClone Echo Fighter]] of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Roy]] in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'', this case finally died out.

*** Akechi only mentions pancakes ONCE over the course of the game, which, admittedly, becomes a plot point[[note]]What he said is less important than the fact that he responded to something Morgana said, with Akechi's remark proving that he'd been to the Metaverse long before he supposedly went there for the first time in the autumn.[[/note]]. The fandom took it and ran with it, treating pancakes as his TrademarkFavoriteFood.

** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyII'': Firion was an orphaned kid who became one of the key fighters for the rebels, helped overthrow TheEmperor, killed him when he came back to life after taking over the underworld, and in ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' is a hot-blooded, badass rebel who exhibits mastery of ''Final Fantasy II's'' ''entire'' battle system. But he gets seduced by one Lamia Queen, and no one--not even the staff who threw in two {{Mythology Gag}}s in ''Dissidia'' for it--will let him forget it. In addition, thanks to ''Dissidia'' Firion will forever be associated with the so-called "wild rose" and his dream of filling the world with roses.

* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyII'': Firion was an orphaned kid who became one of the key fighters for the rebels, helped overthrow TheEmperor, killed him when he came back to life after taking over the underworld, and in ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' is a hot-blooded, badass rebel who exhibits mastery of ''Final Fantasy II's'' ''entire'' battle system. But he gets seduced by one Lamia Queen, and no one--not even the staff who threw in two {{Mythology Gag}}s in ''Dissidia'' for it--will let him forget it. In addition, thanks to ''Dissidia'' Firion will forever be associated with the so-called "wild rose" and his dream of filling the world with roses.
* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'':
** Some people don't like Rosa much for the fact she's a DistressedDamsel, being sick with desert fever then getting kidnapped shortly after you cure her. Once you rescue her she stays by Cecil's side for the rest of the game, even when he tells her to stay behind because it's too dangerous.
** Kain gets {{Brainwashed}} ''once'', with a period between the Tower of Zot and Sealed Cave where Golbez loses the signal and has to retune it. Somehow that apparently translates into HeelFaceRevolvingDoor even though he only leaves and rejoins ''twice''.
** In the sequel ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears'', Kain is evil again and Rosa spends most of the plot on the sidelines after fleeing from Baron before Kain kidnaps her. The other characters even wonder "Has Kain been brainwashed again?" [[spoiler:Actually no, it's his EvilCounterpart[=/=]EnemyWithout, the true Kain is known as the Hooded Man and is completely good]]. Rosa, unfortunately for her, has no such redeeming plot point. Could also be seen as PanderingToTheBase--the other female character of the original game, not counting Porom, is Rydia, who is much more popular with the fans than Rosa. While Rosa spends most of the game out of action, Rydia is promoted to main female lead.
** The people of Mysidia are still portrayed as UngratefulTownsfolk among ''Final Fantasy'' fans for their behavior. Cecil attacks Mysidia at the beginning of the game under the impostor King Baron's command, realizes that the excuse of JustFollowingOrders doesn't cut it, and that he needs to be better than that. When Cecil returns later in the story, everyone in Mysidia hates Cecil while he's walking around in Dark Knight armour. Some people berate him, others scream in fear, and some of them even [[BalefulPolymorph curse Cecil with status effects]]. Considering what Cecil did last time he was there, this reaction is understandable. But what's not understandable is that the Mysidians keep cursing Cecil and his party even after he's become a Paladin, purged himself of darkness, started fighting alongside them, revealed to be TheChosenOne, and has saved the world no less than twice.
* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'':
** Bartz has a few comedic moments of [[{{Malaproper}} malapropism]], other goofiness, and harangues a turtle without realizing it's Sage Ghido so that the Ghido mocks his intelligence for the rest of the game. After he was [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] from "simple" to "simple''ton''" in ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'', fans act as though even Bartz in the original game is always acting like a dope when, in truth, he gets his share of OnlySaneMan moments.
** Lenna being a poison magnet is a running joke among [=FFV=] fans. It's mainly the fact that two of the three instances are of her ''own volition'' that gets people. However, context says that the first time Lenna gets poisoned is out of desperation to get a Hiryuu to eat a cure for its own illness since she's a FriendToAllLivingThings, knowing the cure is poisonous to humans. But the fandom generally portrays Lenna as TooDumbToLive or that she's always getting herself poisoned.
* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'':
** Terra is sometimes remembered as an ActualPacifist, or as someone who despises violence so strongly that she'll refuse to fight even if there's no other choice. This is based on her scenes when she's found in the World of Ruin, where she struggles with her [[MamaBear growing feelings of maternal love for some orphaned children]]. However, that same game also shows her [[CharacterDevelopment growing through this mental block]] and becoming a MartialPacifist instead, using her strength to protect the people she cares about. Terra's characterization in the ''[[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy Dissidia]]'' series turns her into a straight-up ApologeticAttacker, despite the crux of her character development in ''VI'' itself revolving around getting over this.
** Ask most people what they think of when they think of Sabin, and they'll remark that he "suplexed a train".[[note]]This is from a [[GoodBadBugs bug]] that doesn't make the Phantom Train boss immune to Sabin's Suplex attack, meaning that, in-universe, Sabin can lift a train off its track, throw it into the air, and slam it back down. [[AscendedGlitch It's been kept in re-releases since it's so popular]], though.[[/note]]
** Locke's sidequest in the World of Ruin revolves around him trying to find the Phoenix magicite to bring his dead fiancée Rachael back to life. Due to some of the language used during the quest, Locke came off to a few players as a bit creepy and clingy, and being incapable of letting go. But the way some fans hold this over his head, one would think Locke was a [[ILoveTheDead necrophiliac]].
* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'':
** Despite resolving the majority of his issues and becoming a confident leader by the end of the game, Cloud Strife will always be known as an angsty, [[ContemplateOurNavels navel-gazing]] introvert. Likewise, Aerith has been painted so heavily with the AllLovingHero brush that most people forget that she was a spunky, energetic, flirty young woman who fell in love with a [[LovingAShadow shadow of her first boyfriend]] and frequently caused problems by running off on her own. Interestingly, this creates something of a HypeBacklash, in that Creator/SquareEnix is often accused of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the extreme version of this]], and stated in creation materials for ''Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren'' that they characterized Cloud as angsty because they thought fans would be more familiar with such a depiction.
** The cross-dressing mission to get in Don Corneo's mansion. Even though it's optional, ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'', in a sketch about gay video game characters, included Cloud crossdressing and getting in a hot tub with other men in speedos.
** Cloud is also misblamed as the cause of a trend of "emo" protagonists in ''Final Fantasy'', sometimes even every brooding RPG protagonist from the release on ''FFVII'' on, and every time any character is actually depressed for any reason Cloud tends to get blamed for it. Yet out of all the main ''Final Fantasy'' games, only [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Squall]] could be considered "emo" in any sense of the word, they both had good reason to be like that, they are not the first of ''Final Fantasy'' protagonists to feel perpetually miserable for one reason or another, and most of the subsequent Final Fantasy protagonists are actually pretty chipper most of the time.
* Though not as negative as some examples here, Zidane in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' will always be famous for that one scene--"Ooh, soft!". As well-known among fans of the game as that scene is, groping Garnet really was an accident and he apologized afterwards. He may be a ChivalrousPervert, but he's more the former than the latter.
* If there's one thing Tidus and Yuna from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' will always be remembered by, it will be the infamous laughing scene. What many fail to realize is that the laughter was ''supposed'' to sound forced. Even the other characters wonder [[YoureInsane what is wrong with them]]. Even Square Enix can't resist mocking this; nearly every {{Crossover}} Tidus appears in will feature at least one laughter joke.
* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', Vaan asks Fran how old she is, which is insensitive and the entire party chews him out for it, but under the circumstances isn't a bad question (the scene just before implies Fran is over fifty years old, and that Viera live far longer than humans). Additionally, some AlternativeCharacterInterpretation posits that he asked her ''that'' question rather than asking her about her possibly [[spoiler:painful past in her HiddenElfVillage]]. Then in ''VideoGame/Dissidia012FinalFantasy'', his opening quote to Shantotto, Prishe ''and'' Ultimecia is to ask how old they are, ''and'' he asks the same about Cosmos in a storyline scene.
* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'':
** Lightning punches Snow on two separate occasions - in extreme circumstances and while under an enormous amount of emotional stress, likely because it was a) heavily featured in the trailers, b) "awesome," and c) what many players wanted to do at that point, fanfic features her decking Snow full-force at the drop of a hat. They also tend to forget that she [[DefrostingIceQueen defrosted]] a lot over the course of the story, and she is told point-blank by Fang (whom she also hits) that punching people to relieve her emotional stress is a ''bad thing'' that solves exactly zero of their current problems, and she noticeably stops doing so when she realizes the truth in that statement. ''Dissidia 012'' responds as it has with its other characters by portraying her as the fan view of her as super stoic and hostile.
** Hope will forever be known as the [[{{Wangst}} whiney]] Mamas Boy with [[YouKilledMyFather a revenge complex]]. However, his journey to overcome his irrational and adolescent desire for revenge (a coping mechanism for seeing his mother die before his eyes and not understanding why) is his ''[[CharacterDevelopment main character arc]]'', which resolves about halfway through the game.
** Snow himself is [[TheScrappy hated]] for supposedly having a hero complex and being obsessed with Serah (you know, ''his fiancée''). But one of the first observations made about Snow in-game (by Vanille) is that he's "all-talk", and it very quickly becomes clear that Snow is talking big to cover for deeper insecurities.
* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'':
** Minfilia is a leader of a group of talented individuals where said talents can help deal with the primals and the empire. Because Minfilia gets captured twice and lacked the ability to fight back, people flanderized her into someone who gets kidnapped all the time like [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Princess Peach]] while barking orders at the player character. This is ignoring how in both kidnappings, Minfilia refused to give her captors what they wanted, knowing she could be killed for it, and the fact that Minfilia is the only one willing and able to do the boring political paperwork behind the scenes while the talents of the player character and the rest of her people can be put to good use where they're needed.
** Similarly, Alphinaud once dove right into the GloryHound and tried to get the city state leaders to do what he suggested for the betterment of Eorzea. After some really nasty things went down because of him, he ate a huge slice of HumblePie and tried to better himself by listening to everyone and actively supporting his allies in the field. Despite his CharacterDevelopment, people will only remember him for his pre character development days.
** Aymeric gets a ton of flack after he shouts at the Warrior of Light and Alphinaud to [[spoiler: toss Nidhogg's eyes into the ravine below the Steps of Faith]]. This would later bite everyone in the ass due to [[spoiler: the Ascians retrieving the eyes and giving them to Ilberd, which he summons a primal with]]. While nobody in the story could have known any of the events afterwards could happen and Aymeric does regret his mistake, many fans still won't let Aymeric live it down.
** The Moogles in ''Heavensward'' are extremely hated by fans due to how incredibly lazy they are and that they don't even try to hide this, sending players out to do pointless fetch quests. Even though their beast tribe quests introduced later have Moogles that are willing to help out and the ones who don't get hit with LaserGuidedKarma, many people's views on the Moogles are forever soured.

* ''VideoGame/RavingRabbids'':
** ''VideoGame/MarioPlusRabbidsKingdomBattle'', has Beep-0 [[SymbolSwearing swearing]] THREE times in Spooky Trails. And the only two characters the game is ever known for are Rabbid Peach, and the Phantom.

** ''VideoGame/MarioPlusRabbidsKingdomBattle'', has Beep-0 [[SymbolicSwearing swearing]] THREE times in Spooky Trails. And the only two characters the game is ever known for are Rabbid Peach, and the Phantom.

* ''VideoGame/{{Daikatana}}'', to many, is the game where you murder frogs and bugs in an eye-searing green swamp while fighting to [[IJustShotMarvinInTheFace keep your weapons from killing you instead of your target]]. All of which is true, but [[EarlyGameHell only for the first episode]] - once you get the eponymous Daikatana and get thrown back in time, the game starts including more varied environments, fewer nuisance enemies, and weapons that aren't designed to blow up in the user's face.
* ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'':
** It will most likely never be forgotten how the game launched with a day-one DemandOverload after an eleven-year-long TroubledProduction, in combination with the game's [[UsefulNotes/DigitalRightsManagement mandatory online connection]] that prevented people from playing the game at all. The server problems were soon resolved, but the damage had been done; the [[MemeticMutation memetic]] "Error 37" provides the trope image for DemandOverload to this day, and the whole debacle left a sour taste in established fans' mouths while driving away potential new fans, ending up contributing to the BrokenBase debate that is "''VideoGame/DiabloII'' vs. ''Diablo III''".
** The Auction Houses have similarly not been forgotten for leaving fans very bitter from their blatant [[BribingYourWayToVictory pay-to-win mechanics]], even when fan backlash eventually became vitriolic enough to convince the developers to remove the Auction Houses and boost item drop rates from enemies to compensate.

* The UsefulNotes/ElectronicEntertainmentExpo, or E3 for short, has been the moment of a few notorious moments for video game companies.
** The 1995 E3 event is remembered mostly for being the beginning of the end for Creator/{{Sega}} as a serious rival to Creator/{{Nintendo}} or the then-upcoming Creator/{{Sony}}. Sega themselves had already shot themselves in the foot with their announcement during that E3 that the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn was available right then for $399, since the surprise launch angered the largest retailers in the country that were left out (making them refuse to carry the Saturn or its games once it was more widely available) and left the Saturn with very few games to play, much less ''good'' ones, until when it was supposed to launch four months later. With all that, when Sony's keynote started afterwards, SCEA's president Steve Race was able to start the snowball with a simple three-digit announcement that became known to gamers everywhere as The Price Heard Round the World. Steve Race walked up to the podium, said "$299", and walked off. It was considered a MicDrop moment both at the time and in hindsight, as Sega's announcement has come to be seen as a desire to have a surprise moment overshadowing good business sense.
** The 2013 E3 event is widely considered the moment that the UsefulNotes/XboxOne lost the console wars of that generation to the UsefulNotes/PlayStation4, despite the fact that neither system was even out yet when it happened. Microsoft was already on damage control, as the Xbox One reveal a few weeks prior failed to impress gamers, partially from its gaming capabilities being OutOfFocus in favor of TV and movies, but their E3 presentation made things much, much worse due to the reveal of the console's restrictive [[UsefulNotes/DigitalRightsManagement DRM]] features: it required a constant internet connection to run daily authentication checks (and Microsoft was [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEOuKH-W8yM openly dismissive]] of people who didn't have good internet service) and wouldn't let the user play used or borrowed game discs without an elaborate process that involved extra fees. Finally, it was also said that the Xbox One would cost $499 due to the inclusion of a Kinect sensor with every console, which further alienated the core gaming audience who had already turned on the 360's version of the Kinect. Sony took dead aim at Microsoft by proclaiming that the [=PS4=] would have no system-wide DRM or restrictions on used games, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA mocked Microsoft for its DRM]], and ended their conference by listing the retail price of the [=PS4=] at $399. All of these things brought cheers from the live audience and the gaming community at large. [[AuthorsSavingThrow This basically forced Microsoft to remove the DRM policies]] before the consoles were released and release a version of the One without the Kinect sensor less than a year later, but the damage had been done. [[https://www.vgchartz.com/article/447902/switch-vs-ps4-vs-xbox-one-global-lifetime-sales-february-2021/ Lifetime sales of each console show that the PS4 sold more than twice as many units as the Xbox One]], and E3 2013 is frequently cited as a huge reason why. Even after the console generation ended, Microsoft was still being lambasted for their DRM policy.
** Later, [=E3=] itself would experience this following the 2019 show, when the Entertainment Software Association (ESA)[[note]]The industry consortium that puts on E3[[/note]] exposed the personal information of all of the conference's attendees via a spreadsheet that could be downloaded by anyone without a login or any other security measures.

* ''VideoGame/GabrielKnight'' was one of the more well-regarded adventure game franchises in its time, until a famous Old Man Murray rant that dissected a MoonLogicPuzzle in the third game--specifically, one that required the player to make a fake mustache out of cat hair and maple syrup, to impersonate a man who does not actually have a mustache. This led to it becoming the infamous go-to example for why the classical adventure game formula died, even though Murray intended it to be a case study rather than an aspersion on ''Gabriel Knight'' specifically--it wasn't that the puzzle was particularly bad; it was that it was an ''entirely typical'' puzzle coming from a fairly acclaimed series in the genre.

* In [=HuniePop=], while a lot of players understand why Tiffany is hostile towards her mom, she gets a lot of this. ''VideoGame/Huniepop2'' has made this worse with her cutting off social media ties which Jessie is clearly saddened by.

** Zelda is known for being kidnapped constantly and being a helpless damsel-in-distress, and saving her is the plot of every game. This is not the case. Zelda admittedly has been kidnapped, enchanted, turned to stone and whatnot for half of the games she's been in, but even in those games, her capture is usually just ''part'' of the villain's scheme. The main goal is the Triforce or some other powerful relic, and she's captured precisely ''because'' she's a powerful mage who would cause a lot of trouble if getting rid of her ''wasn't'' Step 1. For example, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild' has is indeed trapped by Ganon for the whole game... but she's so powerful that he's trapped as well and [[SealedEvilInADuel they've been engaged in a century-long standoff]].

* In ''VideoGame/Huniepop'' While a lot of players understand why Tiffany is hostile towards her mom, she gets a lot of this. ''VideoGame/Huniepop2'' has made this worse with her cutting off social media ties which Jessie clearly saddened by.

** The Turian councilor, Sparatus, will ''always'' be the "Ah, yes, Reapers" guy to the fandom at large. It doesn't matter that he becomes a crucial ally to Shepard very early in ''3''. It doesn't matter that he's a critical factor in the Alliance and the Turians working together to stop the Reapers. The second most fans see him, they're making air quotes.

** Zelda is known for being kidnapped constantly, and apparently every game is based on this concept. This is not the case. Admittedly, Zelda has been rescued in several games, she is often depicted as being able to take care of herself. An example is ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'', and you actually discover late in the game that [[spoiler:she was the awesome ninja that has been fighting evil and bossing you around for half the game.]] Zelda HAS been kidnapped, enchanted, turned to stone and whatnot for half of the game, but the other half was spent kicking ass. There's also ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild'', where [[spoiler:she is indeed trapped by Ganon for the whole game, but ''she'' is also the reason [[SealedEvilInADuel he's trapped as well]].]]

* ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'': Despite the fact that only four planets Samus has ever been on exploded ([[VideoGame/SuperMetroid one of which]] wasn't even her fault), everyone acts as if every planet she sets foot on is doomed to be blown up by her at the end of the game. Rather justified though when you consider how big a deal ''[[EarthShatteringKaboom exploding a fricking planet]]'' really is, let alone [[UpToEleven four of them]].

** TheHero Ragna The Bloodedge is squarely a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. However, due to his past history of singlehandedly destroying several NOL bases and leaving no survivors, something he hasn't done as of late (or at least shown in the game), some people makes it clear and never let the fandom forget that he was a mass murderer and always will be. Ragna's also derided by people who haven't played the game as being a painfully edgy character (due to his design, the "Bloodedge" title and his darkness-themed attacks) despite being a rather dorky person who doesn't get a whole lot of respect in-universe, partly for those edgy elements in the first place.

** [[TheChick Kairi]] only gets properly kidnapped twice in the series (both in ''II'', and in the first instance she actually escapes on her own; the first game had her lifeless body held captive by Riku but her heart/essence safe with Sora, and Riku was ''protecting'' her body), yet most of the fandom apparently will forever deem her a DamselScrappy who "always gets kidnapped" regardless. And sadly, since Nomura [[Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren likes to write characters how the fans see them]], Kairi becomes a more legitimate DamselScrappy in ''III'', with [[spoiler: [[StuffedIntoTheFridge far worse consequences.]]]]

** Creator/TitusSoftware existed from 1985–2005 and developed many games, but most people only remember them as "that company that developed ''Superman 64''"[[note]]Most of the poor decisions were in fact because of [[ExecutiveMeddling ridiculous mandates]] by Creator/WarnerBros and [[Creator/DCComics DC]] e.g. the virtual world setting came about because they didn't want Superman to hurt "real" people, and in fact Titus' E3 1998 demo showed a very different game that looked and played ''superior'' to the "[[ObviousBeta finished]]" product before Warner/DC mandates screwed them over[[/note]].

* Aside from its reputation as one of the worst games of all time, ''VideoGame/Superman64'' is mostly known as "that game where you fly through rings". There is actually a bit more to the game than that, including punching enemies, navigating mazes, blowing away tornadoes and, of course, {{Escort Mission}}s. Not that that's saying much, given the horrible controls that made most people give up on the game.

** There was a period of time where Nintendo hinted at Luigi having a dark secret, as well as having him be mind-controlled into a FaceHeelTurn by the main villain of ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'', spurring on a deluge of fanfics and [=ROMhacks=] painting him as being driven to villainy by his jealousy of Mario, despite his portrayal in later games as a ReluctantHero who very much loves his brother and would rather just stay at home and let him save the day instead. {His battles with King Boo were because the ghost kidnapped Mario)

** Strangetown premade Vidcund Curious is well known for his https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PottyFailure that resulted in him being dumped by Circe Beaker. Some circles have even dubbed wetting one's pants a "Vidcund Moment".

** Strangetown premade Vidcund Curious is well known for his PottyFaliure that resulted in him being dumped by Circe Beaker. Some circles have even dubbed wetting one's pants a "Vidcund Moment".

** Strangetown premade Vidcund Curious is well known for his [[PottyFaliure]] that resulted in him being dumped by Circe Beaker. Some circles have even dubbed wetting one's pants a "Vidcund Moment".

** Professor Oak will also never live down asking the player character if they are a boy or girl... despite the fact that [[BeamMeUpScotty the original Red and Blue never had a gender option]], so he never asked you this until the remakes. The first Pokémon professor to do it was actually Professor Birch during the third generation of games, but Oak is still the one most remembered for it.

*** Kadabra is best known for triggering a lawsuit from Uri Geller over similarities between names and alleged abilities. This got Kadabra ExiledFromContinuity in phases: first, the Trading Card Game booted it, then it hasn't appeared at all in the anime since 2005, a ''VideoGame/PokemonRanger'' game featured Abra and Alakazam but not Kadabra, and ultimately the entire Abra line was among the victims of Dexit, and the scuttlebug was that the prior claims by Geller factored into its initial exclusion from Gen VIII.