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* LetsPlay/{{Sjin}} did not simply end his "Feed the World" series (part of the WebVideo/YogscastMinecraftSeries) and choose to reboot it. The "Heartbleed" patch basically corrupted the old ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'' server that the Yogs played on, meaning that a reboot was necessary.
* LetsPlay/LewisBrindley and LetsPlay/SimonLane tend to get a lot of flack for not finishing ''Shadow of Israphel''. While Lewis is involved in the creative process, he didn't make the series by himself (which, considering that the whole series began due to other Yogscast members pranking him, should be telling). Add to the fact that the creative team for ''SOI'' has largely moved elsewhere and you have a pretty huge case of ArtistDisillusionment. Simon has seemingly ''never'' been involved in the creative process, only turning up to play whatever storyline gets thrown his and Lewis' way.
* LetsPlay/LewisBrindley and LetsPlay/SimonLane tend to get a lot of flack for not finishing ''Shadow of Israphel''. While Lewis is involved in the creative process, he didn't make the series by himself (which, considering that the whole series began due to other Yogscast members pranking him, should be telling). Add to the fact that the creative team for ''SOI'' has largely moved elsewhere and you have a pretty huge case of ArtistDisillusionment. Simon has seemingly ''never'' been involved in the creative process, only turning up to play whatever storyline gets thrown his and Lewis' way.
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* LetsPlay/{{Sjin}} did not simply end his "Feed the World" ''WebVideo/FeedTheWorld'' series (part of the WebVideo/YogscastMinecraftSeries) and choose to reboot it. The "Heartbleed" patch basically corrupted the old ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'' server that the Yogs played on, meaning that a reboot was necessary.
* LetsPlay/LewisBrindley and LetsPlay/SimonLane tend to get a lot of flack for not finishing''Shadow of Israphel''.''WebVideo/ShadowOfIsraphel''. While Lewis is involved in the creative process, he didn't make the series by himself (which, considering that the whole series began due to other Yogscast members pranking him, should be telling). Add to the fact that the creative team for ''SOI'' has largely moved elsewhere and you have a pretty huge case of ArtistDisillusionment. Simon has seemingly ''never'' been involved in the creative process, only turning up to play whatever storyline gets thrown his and Lewis' way.
* LetsPlay/LewisBrindley and LetsPlay/SimonLane tend to get a lot of flack for not finishing
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** When ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald '' was first released to middling reviews, Creator/JKRowling took most of the blame for it being confusing and hard to follow. However, it’s now known that the film was burdened by a studio mandated runtime of 2 hours and 15 minutes (most blockbusters are in the 2 hour and 30 minute range) and much like ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice '', it seemingly was envisioned as a much longer movie but was chopped up in the editing room under Kevin Tsujihara‘s leadership at Creator/WarnerBrothers at the last minute. Tsujihara believed that longer movies could play less frequently and fewer showings meant less in box office receipts. Several scenes that were in trailers late in the game with complete CGI were completely missing from the theatrical cut of the film. It’s also now known that there were several minor characters [[DeletedRole who were in the film in its earlier version before being cut]] such as both Kendra and Ariana Dumbledore. When the Blu-Ray came out, there was an extended cut that most who’ve seen it consider a [[ImprovedByTheRecut a marked improvement]] over the theatrical cut. The extended cut adds fourteen minutes that are almost exclusively expositional in nature that add to the backstory, make it easier to follow, and better explain various characters’ choices. The most baffling missing scene from the theatrical cut is a one of Dumbledore explaining why he’d sent Newt to New York in the first movie that is only 40 seconds long. Both the Credence/Nagini and Queenie subplots are way more understandable and fleshed out than in the original version. The extended cut’s pacing is also much smoother, especially in the second act of the film which is widely considered to be its weakest part. The extended cut is by no means considered a masterpiece but it at least does come together as a whole, cohesive story rather than the theatrical cut which is more or less a series of scenes strung together that starts and ends strong but suffers from a chaotic middle that drags down the entire film. People who’ve seen the extended cut tend not to blame Rowling and will more than likely hold mostly WB’s management responsible but also to a lesser extent the editing team and director Creator/DavidYates.
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** When ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald '' was first released to middling reviews, Creator/JKRowling took most of the blame for it being confusing and hard to follow. However, it’s now known that the film was burdened considered poorly written with Rowling being the one blamed for its confusing nature and overstuffed plot. However, due to the release of an extended cut on the Blu-Ray with about an extra fourteen minutes that is considered a massive [[ImprovedByTheRecut improvement]] and fixed most of said issues, these days the film is more likely to be considered poorly edited above all else. Those who’ve seen the extended cut by a and large consider the bones of the story fine but chipped away at by overzealous editing that took away key context and exposition to meet an arbitrary, studio mandated runtime imposed run time of 2 hours and 15 minutes (most blockbusters are in the 2 hour and 30 minute range) and minutes. It’s believed that roughly thirty scenes were either cut or significant watered down to meet runtime. The film, much like ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice '', it seemingly was envisioned as ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' (which had a much longer movie but was chopped up whole half hour edited out in the editing room roughly six months between the film’s completion and release), was made under Kevin Tsujihara‘s Tsjuihara’s leadership at Creator/WarnerBrothers WB and chopped up against the creators’ vision at the last minute. Tsujihara believed that minute to suit his whims. Tsjuihara was known to have a dislike of longer movies because he believed they could play less frequently be shown fewer times throughout the day and fewer showings meant less in box office receipts. Several scenes that money. Unlike most examples on this page, it doesn’t seem like entire subplots were in trailers late cut but rather the cuts came in the game with complete CGI were completely missing from the theatrical cut form of the film. It’s also now known small bits of exposition and character development that there were several minor characters [[DeletedRole who were in added up. What’s widely considered to be the film in its earlier version before being cut]] such as both Kendra and Ariana Dumbledore. When the Blu-Ray came out, there was an extended cut that most who’ve seen it consider a [[ImprovedByTheRecut a marked improvement]] over the theatrical cut. The extended cut adds fourteen minutes that are almost exclusively expositional in nature that add to the backstory, make it easier to follow, and better explain various characters’ choices. The most baffling missing scene from the theatrical cut is a one an extended version of Newt and Dumbledore’s conversation which explained both why Dumbledore explaining why he’d sent Newt to New York in the first movie that is place and why Grindelwald was obsessed with finding an obscurial in only 40 seconds long. Both the Credence/Nagini seconds. Credence and Queenie subplots are way Nagini’s subplot in particular stands out as benefiting from having more understandable and fleshed out than in the original version. time dedicated to it. The extended cut’s pacing is also much smoother, especially in the second act of the film which is widely considered to be its weakest part. The extended cut is by no means version isn’t considered a masterpiece by any means and is still overly edited but it at least does come together as its parts do form a whole, cohesive story rather than whole taking the theatrical cut which is more or less a series of scenes strung together that starts and ends strong but suffers from a chaotic middle that drags down the entire film. People who’ve seen the extended cut tend not to blame away from Rowling and will more than likely hold putting it mostly WB’s management responsible on WB but also to a lesser extent the editing team and director Creator/DavidYates.Creator/DavidYates as well.
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** When ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald '' was first released to middling reviews, Creator/JKRowling took most of the blame for it being confusing and hard to follow. However, it’s now known that the film was burdened by a studio mandated runtime of 2 hours and 15 minutes and much like ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice '', it seemingly was developed as a longer movie before had its runtime severely reduced at the last second under Kevin Tsujihara‘s leadership at Creator/WarnerBrothers. Tsujihara believed that longer movies could play less frequently and fewer showings meant less in box office receipts. Several scenes that were in trailers late in the game with complete CGI were completely missing from the theatrical cut of the film. It’s also now known that there were several minor characters [[DeletedRole who were in the film in its earlier version before being cut]] such as both Kendra and Ariana Dumbledore. When the Blu-Ray came out, there was an extended cut that most who’ve seen it consider a [[ImprovedByTheRecut a marked improvement]] over the theatrical cut. The extended cut adds fourteen minutes that are almost exclusively expositional in nature that add to the backstory, make it easier to follow, and better explain various characters’ choices. The extended cut’s pacing is also much smoother, especially in the middle of the film which is widely considered to be its weakest part. The most baffling missing scene from the theatrical cut is a one of Dumbledore explaining why he’d sent Newt to New York in the first movie that is only 40 seconds long. Most who’ve seen the extended won’t call it poorly written and blame Rowling but will rather blame WB, the editing team, and to a lesser extent director Creator/DavidYates.
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** When ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald '' was first released to middling reviews, Creator/JKRowling took most of the blame for it being confusing and hard to follow. However, it’s now known that the film was burdened by a studio mandated runtime of 2 hours and 15 minutes (most blockbusters are in the 2 hour and 30 minute range) and much like ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice '', it seemingly was developed envisioned as a much longer movie before had its runtime severely reduced at but was chopped up in the last second editing room under Kevin Tsujihara‘s leadership at Creator/WarnerBrothers.Creator/WarnerBrothers at the last minute. Tsujihara believed that longer movies could play less frequently and fewer showings meant less in box office receipts. Several scenes that were in trailers late in the game with complete CGI were completely missing from the theatrical cut of the film. It’s also now known that there were several minor characters [[DeletedRole who were in the film in its earlier version before being cut]] such as both Kendra and Ariana Dumbledore. When the Blu-Ray came out, there was an extended cut that most who’ve seen it consider a [[ImprovedByTheRecut a marked improvement]] over the theatrical cut. The extended cut adds fourteen minutes that are almost exclusively expositional in nature that add to the backstory, make it easier to follow, and better explain various characters’ choices. The extended cut’s pacing is also much smoother, especially in the middle of the film which is widely considered to be its weakest part. The most baffling missing scene from the theatrical cut is a one of Dumbledore explaining why he’d sent Newt to New York in the first movie that is only 40 seconds long. Most Both the Credence/Nagini and Queenie subplots are way more understandable and fleshed out than in the original version. The extended cut’s pacing is also much smoother, especially in the second act of the film which is widely considered to be its weakest part. The extended cut is by no means considered a masterpiece but it at least does come together as a whole, cohesive story rather than the theatrical cut which is more or less a series of scenes strung together that starts and ends strong but suffers from a chaotic middle that drags down the entire film. People who’ve seen the extended won’t call it poorly written and cut tend not to blame Rowling but and will rather blame WB, the editing team, and more than likely hold mostly WB’s management responsible but also to a lesser extent the editing team and director Creator/DavidYates.
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** When ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald '' was first released to middling reviews, Creator/JKRowling took most of the blame for its incoherence. However, it's now known that the film was burdened by a studio mandated 2 hour 15 minute runtime (which is about fifteen minutes shorter than most big blockbusters) and more blame has been shifted to Creator/WarnerBros It was best highlighted by the [[BetterOnDVD extended cut included on home release]], which adds a total of 14 minutes, most of which is exposition that does actually explain the story. The most baffling omission from the theatrical cut would probably be a scene that clocked in at only forty seconds that had Dumbledore explaining why exactly he had sent Newt to New York in the first film. There are even more scenes floating around the internet with completed CGI which would imply the mandated runtime came late in the process. It would seem that director Creator/DavidYates and his editing team had to make the tough call to prioritize plot over exposition and characters to work within the runtime.
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** When ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald '' was first released to middling reviews, Creator/JKRowling took most of the blame for its incoherence. it being confusing and hard to follow. However, it's it’s now known that the film was burdened by a studio mandated 2 hour 15 minute runtime (which is about fifteen of 2 hours and 15 minutes shorter than most big blockbusters) and more blame has been shifted to Creator/WarnerBros It much like ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice '', it seemingly was best highlighted by developed as a longer movie before had its runtime severely reduced at the [[BetterOnDVD extended cut included on home release]], which adds a total of 14 minutes, most of which is exposition last second under Kevin Tsujihara‘s leadership at Creator/WarnerBrothers. Tsujihara believed that does actually explain longer movies could play less frequently and fewer showings meant less in box office receipts. Several scenes that were in trailers late in the story. The most baffling omission game with complete CGI were completely missing from the theatrical cut would probably of the film. It’s also now known that there were several minor characters [[DeletedRole who were in the film in its earlier version before being cut]] such as both Kendra and Ariana Dumbledore. When the Blu-Ray came out, there was an extended cut that most who’ve seen it consider a [[ImprovedByTheRecut a marked improvement]] over the theatrical cut. The extended cut adds fourteen minutes that are almost exclusively expositional in nature that add to the backstory, make it easier to follow, and better explain various characters’ choices. The extended cut’s pacing is also much smoother, especially in the middle of the film which is widely considered to be a its weakest part. The most baffling missing scene that clocked in at only forty seconds that had from the theatrical cut is a one of Dumbledore explaining why exactly he had he’d sent Newt to New York in the first film. There are even more scenes floating around the internet with completed CGI which would imply the mandated runtime came late in the process. It would seem movie that is only 40 seconds long. Most who’ve seen the extended won’t call it poorly written and blame Rowling but will rather blame WB, the editing team, and to a lesser extent director Creator/DavidYates and his editing team had to make the tough call to prioritize plot over exposition and characters to work within the runtime.Creator/DavidYates.
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** Creator/ChrisChibnall has been blamed for ''destroying the Canon'' with the Timeless Child plot twist (in which it was revealed that [[spoiler:the Doctor, far from being an ordinary inhabitant of Gallifrey, was actually a mysterious child of unknown origin who the Time Lords stole the power of regeneration from.]] First of all, ''Doctor Who'' canon has contradicted itself before. "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E5TheBrainOfMorbius The Brain of Morbius]]" also showed the Doctor having previous regenerations before Hartnell and the Seventh Doctor was also hinting at a mysterious origin and not being an ordinary Time Lord. So essentially Chibnall was simply just building on some ideas already introduced. He has also been blamed for every aspect of stories people haven't liked, such as the rather disliked politics in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS37E7Kerblam Kerblam!]]", a story which he didn't even write.
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** Creator/ChrisChibnall has been blamed for ''destroying the Canon'' with the Timeless Child plot twist (in which it was revealed that [[spoiler:the Doctor, far from being an ordinary inhabitant of Gallifrey, was actually a mysterious child of unknown origin who the Time Lords stole the power of regeneration from.]] First of all, ''Doctor Who'' canon has contradicted itself before. "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E5TheBrainOfMorbius The Brain of Morbius]]" also showed the Doctor having previous regenerations before Hartnell and the Seventh Doctor was also hinting at a mysterious origin and not being an ordinary Time Lord. So essentially Chibnall was simply just building on some ideas already introduced. He has also been blamed for every aspect of stories people haven't liked, such as the rather disliked politics in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS37E7Kerblam Kerblam!]]", a story which he didn't even write. The hatred for him was such that when he said that he wasn't told who the next showrunner would be and that he didn't pick them, people took that as proof that he didn't care for the future of the show, as if he personally decided not to pick a new showrunner!
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* It's usually held that the mature content in ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpyAdultPartyCartoon'' was the result of John Kricfalusi's ProtectionFromEditors. Given John K's departure from the original series was partly over Nickelodeon's censorship policies, it's an easy assumption to make, but according to Kricfalusi himself it was [[ExecutiveMeddling forced on him by higher-ups at Spike TV]]. Whether or not that's the full story is hotly disputed ([[NeverMyFault this is John K., after all]]), but the charge is at least supported by the fact that Spike also wanted to give the same "adult" treatment to ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants''.
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* It's usually held that the mature content in ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpyAdultPartyCartoon'' was the result of John Kricfalusi's ProtectionFromEditors. Given John K's departure from the original series was partly over Nickelodeon's censorship policies, it's an easy assumption to make, but according to Kricfalusi himself himself, it was [[ExecutiveMeddling forced on him by higher-ups at Spike TV]]. Whether or not that's the full story However, it is hotly disputed ([[NeverMyFault whether or not this is John K., after all]]), but the charge is at least supported by the fact that Spike also wanted to give the same "adult" treatment to ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants''.full story, considering his history of NeverMyFault.
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': No, Lauren Faust is not responsible for everything, good or bad, that has ever happened on the show. She merely came up with the idea and wrote a handful of episodes, reduced herself to a consulting producer for season 2, and hasn't even seen the third season let alone had anything to do with it.
** "Magical Mystery Cure" is one of the most [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] episodes in the show's history, and its detractors often blame writer M.A. Larson for it. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk8BmQW1X1g According to him though]], the final episode only loosely resembled his original script and many elements had to be hastily cut (without his knowledge) due to the show being unexpectedly renewed for another season, resulting in the compressed episode we actually got. That said, Larson being a TeasingCreator who [[https://trixiebooru.org/images/253115 utterly reveled]] in taking the blame for putting wings on Twilight Sparkle certainly helped bring a lot of the blame onto him, which he milked for all it was worth and enjoyed every minute of.
** "Magical Mystery Cure" is one of the most [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] episodes in the show's history, and its detractors often blame writer M.A. Larson for it. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk8BmQW1X1g According to him though]], the final episode only loosely resembled his original script and many elements had to be hastily cut (without his knowledge) due to the show being unexpectedly renewed for another season, resulting in the compressed episode we actually got. That said, Larson being a TeasingCreator who [[https://trixiebooru.org/images/253115 utterly reveled]] in taking the blame for putting wings on Twilight Sparkle certainly helped bring a lot of the blame onto him, which he milked for all it was worth and enjoyed every minute of.
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': No, Lauren Faust is was not responsible for everything, good or bad, that has ever happened on the show. She merely came up with the idea While she did create it and wrote a handful of episodes, reduced herself episodes in the first two seasons, she was only the showrunner during Season 1. She stepped back to become a consulting producer for season in Season 2, and hasn't even seen before leaving the third season let alone production entirely. She had anything to do with it.
zero input on ''any'' facet of ''Friendship is Magic'' (much less Gen 4 of the ''My Little Pony'' franchise as a whole) from Season 3 onwards.
** "Magical Mystery Cure" is one of the most [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] episodes in the show's history, and its detractors often blame writer M.A. Larson for it. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk8BmQW1X1g According to him though]], the final episode only loosely resembled his original script and many elements had to be hastily cut (without his knowledge) due to the show being unexpectedly renewed for another season, resulting in thecompressed episode we actually got. That said, final product. Larson being a TeasingCreator who [[https://trixiebooru.org/images/253115 utterly reveled]] in taking the blame for putting wings on Twilight Sparkle certainly helped bring a lot of the blame onto him, which he milked for all it was worth and enjoyed every minute of.didn't help.
** "Magical Mystery Cure" is one of the most [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] episodes in the show's history, and its detractors often blame writer M.A. Larson for it. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk8BmQW1X1g According to him though]], the final episode only loosely resembled his original script and many elements had to be hastily cut (without his knowledge) due to the show being unexpectedly renewed for another season, resulting in the
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** After Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon's HeelFaceTurn, they were criticized for being DemotedToExtra, right after [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter they became interesting and likable]]. However the writers [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2019/09/cut-ideas-and-general-my-little-pony.html wanted to do more with them]] but had it shot down by Hasbro who felt their story was "over".
** One of the criticisms of Starlight Glimmer's HeelFaceTurn was it being done to copy Sunset Shimmer's redemption and character. WordOfGod claims it wasn't which is substantiated by ProductionLeadTime meaning it was likely written before ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'' aired[[labelnote:explanation]]The Season 4 premiere [[https://twitter.com/discoveryfamily/status/403973359106404352 had its script locked August 2012]] 15 months before it aired November 2013. Starlight's redemption aired November 2015 and the Season had a two-month hiatus causing ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsFriendshipGames Friendship Games]]'' to spoil the episode's happenings, thus it can be assumed to have had its script locked June 2014 three months before ''Rainbow Rocks'' released September 2014.[[/labelnote]] and [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap made the previously contentious Sunset popular]] enough to want to copy.
** One of the criticisms of Starlight Glimmer's HeelFaceTurn was it being done to copy Sunset Shimmer's redemption and character. WordOfGod claims it wasn't which is substantiated by ProductionLeadTime meaning it was likely written before ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'' aired[[labelnote:explanation]]The Season 4 premiere [[https://twitter.com/discoveryfamily/status/403973359106404352 had its script locked August 2012]] 15 months before it aired November 2013. Starlight's redemption aired November 2015 and the Season had a two-month hiatus causing ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsFriendshipGames Friendship Games]]'' to spoil the episode's happenings, thus it can be assumed to have had its script locked June 2014 three months before ''Rainbow Rocks'' released September 2014.[[/labelnote]] and [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap made the previously contentious Sunset popular]] enough to want to copy.
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** After Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon's HeelFaceTurn, they the writers were criticized for being DemotedToExtra, right after never doing anything more with the character just as [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter they became interesting and likable]]. However However, the writers ''did'' [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2019/09/cut-ideas-and-general-my-little-pony.html wanted want to do more with them]] them]], but had it shot down by Hasbro who felt executives shot all these ideas down due to feeling their story was "over".
** One of the criticisms of Starlight Glimmer's HeelFaceTurn was it being done to deliberately copy Sunset Shimmer's redemption andcharacter. character arc. WordOfGod claims it wasn't wasn't, which is substantiated by ProductionLeadTime meaning it was likely written before ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'' aired[[labelnote:explanation]]The Season 4 premiere [[https://twitter.com/discoveryfamily/status/403973359106404352 had its script locked August 2012]] 15 months before it aired November 2013. Starlight's redemption aired November 2015 and the Season had a two-month hiatus causing ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsFriendshipGames Friendship Games]]'' to spoil the episode's happenings, thus it can be assumed to have had its script locked June 2014 three months before ''Rainbow Rocks'' released September 2014.[[/labelnote]] and [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap made the previously contentious Sunset popular]] enough to want to copy.
** One of the criticisms of Starlight Glimmer's HeelFaceTurn was it being done to deliberately copy Sunset Shimmer's redemption and
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* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' often cite the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' as the reason that ''KP'' got the axe. ''KP'' ended a full year before ''P&F'' started airing regularly, and mainly because the show's creators wanted to move on.
* As a result of the FandomRivalry, many ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' fans blame ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' for Disney Channel's bad treatment of the former show. This is not true, as ''P&F'' hardly shows episodes on the channel anymore and Creator/AlexHirsch wants the animators to take their time animating and producing the episodes.
** Some fans blamed Disney XD for the show's end, but it was actually Hirsch's decision to end the show as he wanted the show to avoid SeasonalRot.
* As a result of the FandomRivalry, many ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' fans blame ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' for Disney Channel's bad treatment of the former show. This is not true, as ''P&F'' hardly shows episodes on the channel anymore and Creator/AlexHirsch wants the animators to take their time animating and producing the episodes.
** Some fans blamed Disney XD for the show's end, but it was actually Hirsch's decision to end the show as he wanted the show to avoid SeasonalRot.
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* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' often cite the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' as the reason that ''KP'' got the axe. ''KP'' ended a full year before ''P&F'' started airing regularly, and mainly because the show's creators wanted to move on.
on, with that show's fourth season being an example of UnCanceled anyway.
* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'':
** As a result of the FandomRivalry, many''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' fans blame blamed ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' for Disney Channel's bad treatment of ''Gravity Falls''. At the former show. This is time, ''Phineas and Ferb'' was not true, only barely even airing on the network due to winding down production, but ''Gravity Falls'' had already established itself as ''P&F'' hardly shows being their newest hit. The odd scheduling was a quirk of the show's production necessitating that new episodes had to be stretched out to a greater extent than its peers; a quirk that would continue into its second season on Disney XD, where it served as the channel anymore and Creator/AlexHirsch wants the animators to take their time animating and producing the episodes.
flagship show for that channel.
** Some fans blamed Disney XD for the show's end, but it was actually Hirsch's decision to end the showas he wanted due to burn-out and wanting to avoid SeasonalRot, with him even wanting to have a far shorter second season (if not just end the show on season one's cliffhanger). Disney actually saw it as a CashCowFranchise due to avoid SeasonalRot.its immense popularity and wanted to continue the show, forcing him to commit to a 20-episode season as opposed to the ten that he originally wanted once he agreed to do another season, and hoping that Hirsch would change his mind.
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** As a result of the FandomRivalry, many
** Some fans blamed Disney XD for the show's end, but it was actually Hirsch's decision to end the show
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* "''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime Prime]]'' killed ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]''" is a common complaint of those who preferred the organic traditional animation to the more [[Film/TransformersFilmSeries Movie]] accurate CGI of Prime. This isn't ''completely'' true. Hasbro gave Cartoon Network the option to continue using the license to produce ''Animated'', while they would go on to produce ''Prime'' for their new cable channel, [[Creator/DiscoveryFamily The Hub]]. Cartoon Network decided to end the show independently, as there was no incentive to continuing the show if Hasbro would be pulling all funding and ending the toyline, and ''Animated'' would still manage to have a finale.
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* "''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime Prime]]'' killed ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]''" is a common complaint of those who preferred the organic traditional animation to the more [[Film/TransformersFilmSeries Movie]] accurate CGI of Prime. This isn't ''completely'' true. Hasbro gave Cartoon Network the option to continue using the license to produce ''Animated'', while they would go on to produce ''Prime'' for their new cable channel, [[Creator/DiscoveryFamily The Hub]]. Cartoon Network decided to end the show independently, as there was no incentive to continuing the show it if Hasbro would be pulling all funding and ending the toyline, and ''Animated'' would still manage to have a finale.toyline.
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** Several ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretSaturdays'' fans blamed the show's creator Jay Stephens for the crossover episode "TGIS". However, Stephens had no involvement in the episode as writer. In fact, Joelle Sellner was the one who wrote the episode.
* No, ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' was NOT removed from Nick's schedule and made online exclusive in favor of [[WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants Nickelodeon's]] [[WesternAnimation/SanjayAndCraig more]] [[WesternAnimation/BreadWinners comedy]] [[WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents based]] [[Series/TheHauntedHathaways TV]] [[Series/EveryWitchWay shows]]. It's a far more complicated situation than that involving the leak of a number of Book 3 episodes that is explained in further detail on the ScrewedByTheNetwork page. Thank you for your time. Have a nice day.
* No, ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' was NOT removed from Nick's schedule and made online exclusive in favor of [[WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants Nickelodeon's]] [[WesternAnimation/SanjayAndCraig more]] [[WesternAnimation/BreadWinners comedy]] [[WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents based]] [[Series/TheHauntedHathaways TV]] [[Series/EveryWitchWay shows]]. It's a far more complicated situation than that involving the leak of a number of Book 3 episodes that is explained in further detail on the ScrewedByTheNetwork page. Thank you for your time. Have a nice day.
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** Several ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretSaturdays'' fans blamed the show's creator Jay Stephens for the crossover episode "TGIS". However, no one worked on ''The Secret Saturdays'' (much less Stephens himself) had no any involvement in the episode as writer. In fact, Joelle Sellner was the one who wrote the episode.
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** No,''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' the show was NOT removed from Nick's schedule and made online exclusive during Book 3 in favor of [[WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants Nickelodeon's]] [[WesternAnimation/SanjayAndCraig more]] [[WesternAnimation/BreadWinners comedy]] [[WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents based]] [[Series/TheHauntedHathaways TV]] [[Series/EveryWitchWay shows]]. It's a far giving more complicated situation than airtime to Nickelodeon's more comedy-based shows. While it being [[OddballInTheSeries a complete tonal mismatch]] compared to their other programming ''was'' a factor (being a teen-oriented action/adventure series), it was the series seeing far better viewership numbers compared to its on-air ratings during Book 2 that involving resulted in the leak of a number of Book 3 episodes that is explained in further detail on the ScrewedByTheNetwork page. Thank you for your time. Have a nice day.decision.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' is often blamed as the main reason for Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s decline in the late-2000s. In actuality, Nick would often [[ScrewedByTheNetwork refuse]] to give other shows a proper chance regardless, with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' likely having nothing to do with any other show's chances. Also, anyone involved with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' doesn't work in Nickelodeon's scheduling department, and would probably be receptive to their programmers actually having a schedule with various programs throughout the day rather than Ctrl+V'ing ''[=SpongeBob=]'' throughout the broadcast day. The same can be said about Creator/CartoonNetwork and ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo''. In particular, ''Teen Titans Go'' is often blamed for causing ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' and ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'' to end, even though both of those series were deliberately ended by their creators.
* Many fans of ''WesternAnimation/VeggieTales'' blamed Dreamworks for the new designs introduced in ''WesternAnimation/VeggieTalesInTheHouse''. It was actually Big Idea's decision to change the characters' designs since the original was based on the old animation software from the '90s.
* Many fans of ''WesternAnimation/VeggieTales'' blamed Dreamworks for the new designs introduced in ''WesternAnimation/VeggieTalesInTheHouse''. It was actually Big Idea's decision to change the characters' designs since the original was based on the old animation software from the '90s.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' is often blamed as the main reason for Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s perceived decline in the late-2000s. In actuality, Nick would often [[ScrewedByTheNetwork refuse]] While network executives did deem whether a show was worth keeping based on how much the ratings stacked up in comparison to give other shows a proper chance regardless, with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' likely having nothing to do with (and [[ScrewedByTheNetwork quickly scrapped any other show's chances. Also, anyone involved with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' doesn't work in Nickelodeon's scheduling department, and would probably be receptive to their programmers actually having a schedule with various programs throughout the day rather than Ctrl+V'ing ''[=SpongeBob=]'' throughout the broadcast day. The same can be said about Creator/CartoonNetwork and ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo''. In particular, ''Teen Titans Go'' is often blamed for causing ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' and ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'' to end, even though both of those animated series were deliberately ended by that wasn't in the same ballpark]]), that's about it. The creative staff has no control over how the channel treats their creators.
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* With ''WesternAnimation/JimmyTwoShoes'', it's not uncommon to hear people accuse Creator/{{Teletoon}} as being responsible for all the ExecutiveMeddling that got the DarkerAndEdgier pilot remade into the DenserAndWackier final product. In reality, Creator/DisneyXD mandated all the changes in order to make the series more kid-friendly and thus more marketable to American audiences (since Americans are generally more religious than Canadians) while Teletoon ''approved'' the pilot concept without issue due to originally intending the series for tweens and young teens (i.e. a similar audience to the ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'' series, their most popular show at the time). This is more evident with the [[SeasonalRot second season]], which received the tonal {{retool}} it did at the request of Disney XD's executives rather than Teletoon's.
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* With ''WesternAnimation/JimmyTwoShoes'', it's not uncommon to hear people accuse Creator/{{Teletoon}} as being responsible for all the ExecutiveMeddling that got the DarkerAndEdgier pilot remade into the DenserAndWackier final product. In reality, it was Creator/DisneyXD that mandated all the changes in order to make the series more kid-friendly and thus more marketable to American audiences (since Americans are generally more religious than Canadians) while audiences; Teletoon ''approved'' the pilot concept without issue due to originally intending the series for tweens and young teens (i.e. a similar audience to be aimed more at teenagers, in line with their own programming (such as the ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'' series, their most popular show at the time). This is more evident with the [[SeasonalRot second season]], which received the tonal {{retool}} it did at the request of Disney XD's executives rather than Teletoon's.
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* [[https://youtube.com/watch?v=CFoZRbPsNuE This video]] blames ''WebAnimation/{{Cocomelon}}'' on the cancellations of ''WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse''. The biggest problem with this statement is that ''Cocomelon'' is aimed at a younger audience than these two shows, being made for preschoolers. Furthermore, it's also important to note that ''She-Ra And The Princesses Of Power'' was not cancelled, it reached a planned conclusion and ended.
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* [[https://youtube.com/watch?v=CFoZRbPsNuE This video]] blames ''WebAnimation/{{Cocomelon}}'' on the cancellations of ''WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse''. The biggest problem with this statement is that ''Cocomelon'' is not only aimed at a far younger audience than these two shows, being made for preschoolers. Furthermore, it's also important preschoolers as opposed to note that older children ages 6-12, but they're production by different companies, for different platforms, all their their own programming strategies: ''She-Ra And The Princesses Of Power'' was not cancelled, it reached a planned conclusion for a 52 episode run from the moment it was greenlit, while ''The Owl House'' was a causality of a corporate leadership change and ended.other factors.
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* When ''WesternAnimation/KampKoral'' was announced, fans were quick to blame Nickelodeon for deliberately waiting for Hillenburg’s death to produce the spin-off. While his thoughts on the show are unknown, it is possible that Hillenburg was ''aware'' of the show being developed, as the development began shortly before he passed away. ''Kamp Koral'' developer Vincent Waller originally tweeted his belief that Hillenburg was aware of the show, but he later [[https://twitter.com/VincentWaller72/status/1357689641005056000 retracted the statement,]] saying that the stressful period "kinked up my chronological memories of events into a bit of a slippery jumble for that entire block of time."
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* Some ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' fans blamed editor Jonathan Peterson for not allowing Characters/{{Nightwing|DickGrayson}} and [[Characters/TeenTitansStarfire Starfire]] to marry in the 100th issue of ''The New Titans''. In actuality, the decision was made after he left DC to join Image by Batman editors, who wanted Nightwing to return back to the Bat-books, forcing Creator/MarvWolfman to scrap plans to have them married as well as a miniseries taking place after it.
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* Some ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' fans blamed editor Jonathan Peterson for not allowing Characters/{{Nightwing|DickGrayson}} and [[Characters/TeenTitansStarfire Starfire]] to marry in the 100th issue of ''The New Titans''. In actuality, the decision was made by his successor Rob Simpson after he left DC to join Image by as well as Batman editors, who wanted Nightwing to return back to the Bat-books, forcing Creator/MarvWolfman to scrap plans to have them married as well as a miniseries taking place after prior to it. It's even worth knowing that Peterson was actually in support of the wedding plans than against it.
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* Due to the unfortunate timing of the episode, many assumed Amity kissing Luz was what caused Disney to cancel ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse''. However, due to animation taking a long time to produce, the decision was most likely made well before the episode was even scripted. Dana Terrace herself would even confirm that the kiss had no influence on cancellation of the show.
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* Due to the unfortunate timing of the episode, '''[[Recap/TheOwlHouseS2E5ThroughTheLookingGlassRuins Through the Looking Glass Ruins]]''', many assumed Amity kissing Luz was what caused Disney to cancel ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse''. However, due to animation taking a long time to produce, the decision was most likely made well before the episode was even scripted. Dana Terrace herself would even confirm that the kiss had no influence on cancellation of the show.
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* For a long time, Creator/DavidArquette received a large amount of undeserved flak for his winning of the WCW Championship by people thinking that he was the driving force behind the angle. A) He wasn't, B) as a wrestling fan, he knew it was a terrible idea and would've refused to do it had he not been contractually obligated, and C) he donated all of the money he made on the shows to paralyzed wrestler Darren Drozdov and the families of the late Wrestling/BrianPillman and Wrestling/OwenHart.
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* For a long time, Creator/DavidArquette received a large amount of undeserved flak for his winning of the WCW Championship by people thinking that he was the driving force behind the angle. A) He wasn't, B) as a wrestling fan, he knew it was a terrible idea and would've refused to do it had he not been contractually obligated, and C) he donated all of the money he made on the shows to paralyzed wrestler Darren Drozdov and the families of the late Wrestling/BrianPillman and Wrestling/OwenHart. It was actually Wrestling/TonySchiavone who suggested the idea to Russo as a joke, but Russo apparently decided that it would be a good idea after all.
* Speaking of Tony Schiavone, he got a lot of grief over the years for burying Wrestling/MickFoley's WWF world championship win on the infamous January 4, 1999 edition of Nitro. Tony was ordered to do so by Eric Bischoff (though the line "That's gonna put some butts in the seats." was entirely Tony's). He not only called to apologize to Foley days later, but admitted that he would have changed the channel to see Foley win as well.
* Speaking of Tony Schiavone, he got a lot of grief over the years for burying Wrestling/MickFoley's WWF world championship win on the infamous January 4, 1999 edition of Nitro. Tony was ordered to do so by Eric Bischoff (though the line "That's gonna put some butts in the seats." was entirely Tony's). He not only called to apologize to Foley days later, but admitted that he would have changed the channel to see Foley win as well.
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* Creator/ZachBraff was widely blamed for the critical and commercial failure of ''Film/TheLastKiss'' (2006), which was advertised by the studio as his big follow-up to ''Film/GardenState'' (2004); when it failed to connect with audiences, many people cited it as "proof" that he was overhyped as a filmmaker and a dramatic actor. Contrary to popular belief, however, Braff only '''starred''' in ''The Last Kiss''--he didn't direct it, and didn't write the screenplay (although he did reportedly have quite a bit of creative control). In fact, he didn't write or direct another feature film for another '''10 years''' after ''Garden State'', when he made ''Wish I Was Here'' in 2014.
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* Blaming Bob Harras for most ComicBook/SpiderMan stories of the 90s including ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'', demonstrated in [[http://comiccritics.com/2010/10/10/textual-harrasment/ Comic Critics: "Textual Harrasment"]]. Harras is responsible for some of the bad comics of the time, most notably the Mackie/Byrne run where he demanded ideas the team disliked. But the Clone Saga wasn't really his fault. After EIC Defalco was stripped of his power by a decision to divide EIC into separate teams with each team encouraged to rival and compete with each other for success, Harras who was in charge of the X-Men stable, and had no involvement in the early part of the Clone Saga which writers and editors spun wheels around, and Harras arrived at the tail end, inheriting a major mess which he, to his credit, resolved. It's unlikely anyone in his position would have done different in that situation given how badly that story was managed at the time. And the decision he did take, bringing [[Characters/MarvelComicsNormanOsborn Norman Osborn]] BackFromTheDead was ultimately seen as a good one by most comics fans.
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* Blaming Bob Harras for most ComicBook/SpiderMan stories of the 90s including ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'', demonstrated in [[http://comiccritics.com/2010/10/10/textual-harrasment/ Comic Critics: "Textual Harrasment"]]. Harras is responsible for some of the bad comics of the time, most notably the Mackie/Byrne run where he demanded ideas the team disliked. But the Clone Saga wasn't really his fault. After EIC Tom Defalco was stripped of his power by a decision to divide EIC into separate teams with each team encouraged to rival and compete with each other for success, Harras and Harras, who was in charge of the X-Men stable, and had no involvement in the early part of the Clone Saga which writers and editors spun wheels around, and Harras around; he arrived at the tail end, inheriting a major mess which he, to his credit, resolved. It's unlikely anyone in his position would have done different in that situation given how badly that story was managed at the time. And the decision he did take, bringing [[Characters/MarvelComicsNormanOsborn Norman Osborn]] BackFromTheDead BackFromTheDead, was ultimately seen as a good one by most comics fans.
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* Creator/JoeQuesada is apparently solely responsible for every hated story to come out of Marvel offices, during his tenure, he planned them, wrote them, drew them, colored them, lettered them, with no help from anyone, especially the creative team assigned to the book. Quesada's job is EIC (Editor-In-Chief) which means he commissions, vetoes, or otherwise takes a decision on story and idea, but he doesn't dictate every little twist and turn, and while he did start out as an artist, he only did the artwork for a few issues. For instance, ''Sins Past'' a story by Creator/JMichaelStraczynski which originally was planned to have Gwen be revealed as Peter's babymama was vetoed by Quesada who objected to Peter and Gwen having unprotected sex as young people, the idea of kids aging Spider-Man, and furthermore the perception of Spider-Man as "deadbeat dad". Quesada did suggest changing the father to Norman Osborn, which most would agree was a terrible idea, but it was still JMS' choice to write that story and take that suggestion rather than withdraw it once his idea was proving unworkable.
* Quesada is most famous and notorious for ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' which was also blamed on writer JMS who was initially blamed for creating the story until it was known Quesada ordered it (the fact that Quesada served as artist/editor and had story credit was a dead giveaway and as EIC he was more than content to take credit for an idea that he had never made any secret of, namely ending Spider-Man's marriage). JMS differed from Quesada in that where the EIC wanted the retcon to create a BroadStrokes status-quo where every story happened with Peter and MJ in a relationship but not married, even if such a decision entirely altered whole scenes, moments, and the entire CharacterDevelopment of multiple characters, JMS wanted to create a more logical change that would allow for character progression and be grounded on their history.
** Likewise, as Quesada insists and later writers confirmed, while few people actually defend ''One More Day'' as a good story or a well-executed plan (even Quesada defends it from a corporate perspective) a good number of Spider-Man writers in the past and others in Marvel approved of the justification, namely that Spider-Man should be young, hip, and relatable, and that his marriage to Mary Jane wasn't the correct decision for the character. This includes writers like Creator/RogerStern (who says he isn't against the idea of Spider-Man being married or married superheroes, and indeed wrote Superman's wedding vows to Lois Lane in ''Superman Wedding Album,'' but that Mary Jane isn't the right girl for him and that they'd be BetterAsFriends), Creator/GerryConway (who wholeheartedly believes that Peter and Mary Jane ''are'' meant for each other and created their love story to start with, but he again feels it should never happen in the regular continuity, and should be done only for special AU and one-offs), and Creator/KurtBusiek among others. There were writers who liked the marriage and wanted to keep it include JMS, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, Creator/PeterDavid, and Creator/MattFraction but out of [[BeingPersonalIsntProfessional professional ethics they followed the company line]], since the decision to take it was also mandated by executives. Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, who reportedly tried to sneak a plot development into his ''Siege'' storyline that would've tacitly undone ''One More Day'' until Quesada caught on. Though whether that is Bendis being a {{Troll}} or being casually indifferent to continuity (as he has been known to do, owing to the fact that he has far less experience as a serial writer than working with a blank slate).
** Others point out that while Quesada ended the marriage, he also oversaw some of the best stories in that entire period. Namely JMS' Spider-Man where Quesada didn't say anything against the plans to bring the couple back from separation from the Mackie-Byrne era, which happened before his tenure and which he had criticized, noting that it was absolutely out of character for Peter and Mary Jane Watson to ever divorce given their devotion to one another, after everything they have been through together. Likewise, Matt Fraction used his fore-knowledge to write "To Have and to Hold" (which Quesada approved) as a tribute to their iconic love story and their marriage and which Fraction said was a cheap shot and "dirty pool" to show the direction Spider-Man could take with a married Peter. Quesada also defended ComicBook/SpiderGirl, the daughter of the couple in the AlternateUniverse line from multiple cancellations and states that is the natural progression of their relationship. Many writers note the {{Irony}} that the period right before the marriage ended, proved the great potential for storytelling and opportunities a married Spider-Man brought to the title, much of which was encouraged by Quesada as a kind of last hurrah.
* Quesada is most famous and notorious for ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' which was also blamed on writer JMS who was initially blamed for creating the story until it was known Quesada ordered it (the fact that Quesada served as artist/editor and had story credit was a dead giveaway and as EIC he was more than content to take credit for an idea that he had never made any secret of, namely ending Spider-Man's marriage). JMS differed from Quesada in that where the EIC wanted the retcon to create a BroadStrokes status-quo where every story happened with Peter and MJ in a relationship but not married, even if such a decision entirely altered whole scenes, moments, and the entire CharacterDevelopment of multiple characters, JMS wanted to create a more logical change that would allow for character progression and be grounded on their history.
** Likewise, as Quesada insists and later writers confirmed, while few people actually defend ''One More Day'' as a good story or a well-executed plan (even Quesada defends it from a corporate perspective) a good number of Spider-Man writers in the past and others in Marvel approved of the justification, namely that Spider-Man should be young, hip, and relatable, and that his marriage to Mary Jane wasn't the correct decision for the character. This includes writers like Creator/RogerStern (who says he isn't against the idea of Spider-Man being married or married superheroes, and indeed wrote Superman's wedding vows to Lois Lane in ''Superman Wedding Album,'' but that Mary Jane isn't the right girl for him and that they'd be BetterAsFriends), Creator/GerryConway (who wholeheartedly believes that Peter and Mary Jane ''are'' meant for each other and created their love story to start with, but he again feels it should never happen in the regular continuity, and should be done only for special AU and one-offs), and Creator/KurtBusiek among others. There were writers who liked the marriage and wanted to keep it include JMS, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, Creator/PeterDavid, and Creator/MattFraction but out of [[BeingPersonalIsntProfessional professional ethics they followed the company line]], since the decision to take it was also mandated by executives. Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, who reportedly tried to sneak a plot development into his ''Siege'' storyline that would've tacitly undone ''One More Day'' until Quesada caught on. Though whether that is Bendis being a {{Troll}} or being casually indifferent to continuity (as he has been known to do, owing to the fact that he has far less experience as a serial writer than working with a blank slate).
** Others point out that while Quesada ended the marriage, he also oversaw some of the best stories in that entire period. Namely JMS' Spider-Man where Quesada didn't say anything against the plans to bring the couple back from separation from the Mackie-Byrne era, which happened before his tenure and which he had criticized, noting that it was absolutely out of character for Peter and Mary Jane Watson to ever divorce given their devotion to one another, after everything they have been through together. Likewise, Matt Fraction used his fore-knowledge to write "To Have and to Hold" (which Quesada approved) as a tribute to their iconic love story and their marriage and which Fraction said was a cheap shot and "dirty pool" to show the direction Spider-Man could take with a married Peter. Quesada also defended ComicBook/SpiderGirl, the daughter of the couple in the AlternateUniverse line from multiple cancellations and states that is the natural progression of their relationship. Many writers note the {{Irony}} that the period right before the marriage ended, proved the great potential for storytelling and opportunities a married Spider-Man brought to the title, much of which was encouraged by Quesada as a kind of last hurrah.
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* Creator/JoeQuesada is apparently solely responsible for every hated story to come out of Marvel offices, during his tenure, he planned them, wrote them, drew them, colored them, lettered them, with no help from anyone, especially the creative team assigned to the book. Quesada's job is EIC (Editor-In-Chief) which means he commissions, vetoes, or otherwise takes a decision on story and idea, but he doesn't dictate every little twist and turn, and while he did start out as an artist, he only did the artwork for a few issues. For instance, ''Sins Past'' Past'', a story by Creator/JMichaelStraczynski which originally was planned to have Gwen be revealed as Peter's babymama babymama, was vetoed by Quesada who objected to Peter and Gwen having unprotected sex as young people, the idea of kids aging Spider-Man, and furthermore the perception of Spider-Man as "deadbeat dad". Quesada did suggest changing the father to Norman Osborn, which most would agree was a terrible idea, but it was still JMS' choice to write that story and take that suggestion rather than withdraw it once his idea was proving unworkable.
* Quesada is most famous and notorious for''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', which was also blamed on writer JMS who was initially blamed for creating the story until it was known Quesada ordered it (the fact that Quesada served as artist/editor and had story credit was a dead giveaway and as EIC he was more than content to take credit for an idea that he had never made any secret of, namely ending Spider-Man's marriage). JMS differed from Quesada in that where the EIC wanted the retcon to create a BroadStrokes status-quo where every story happened with Peter and MJ in a relationship but not married, even if such a decision entirely altered whole scenes, moments, and the entire CharacterDevelopment of multiple characters, JMS wanted to create a more logical change that would allow for character progression and be grounded on their history.
** Likewise, as Quesada insists and later writers confirmed, while few people actually defend ''One More Day'' as a good story or a well-executed plan (even Quesada defends it from a corporate perspective) a good number of Spider-Man writers in the past and others in Marvel approved of the justification, namely that Spider-Man should be young, hip, and relatable, and that his marriage to Mary Jane wasn't the correct decision for the character. This includes writers like Creator/RogerStern (who says he isn't against the idea of Spider-Man being married or married superheroes, and indeed wrote Superman's wedding vows to Lois Lane in ''Superman Wedding Album,'' but that Mary Jane isn't the right girl for him and that they'd be BetterAsFriends), Creator/GerryConway (who wholeheartedly believes that Peter and Mary Jane ''are'' meant for each other and created their love story to start with, but he again feels it should never happen in the regular continuity, and should be done only for special AU and one-offs), and Creator/KurtBusiek among others. There were writers who liked the marriage and wanted to keep it include JMS, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, Creator/PeterDavid, and Creator/MattFraction but out of [[BeingPersonalIsntProfessional professional ethics they followed the company line]], since the decision to take it was also mandated by executives.Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, who Creator/BrianMichaelBendis reportedly tried to sneak a plot development into his ''Siege'' storyline that would've tacitly undone ''One More Day'' until Quesada caught on. Though whether that is Bendis being a {{Troll}} or being casually indifferent to continuity (as he has been known to do, be, owing to the fact that he has far less experience as a serial writer than working with a blank slate).
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** Likewise, as Quesada insists and later writers confirmed, while few people actually defend ''One More Day'' as a good story or a well-executed plan (even Quesada defends it from a corporate perspective) a good number of Spider-Man writers in the past and others in Marvel approved of the justification, namely that Spider-Man should be young, hip, and relatable, and that his marriage to Mary Jane wasn't the correct decision for the character. This includes writers like Creator/RogerStern (who says he isn't against the idea of Spider-Man being married or married superheroes, and indeed wrote Superman's wedding vows to Lois Lane in ''Superman Wedding Album,'' but that Mary Jane isn't the right girl for him and that they'd be BetterAsFriends), Creator/GerryConway (who wholeheartedly believes that Peter and Mary Jane ''are'' meant for each other and created their love story to start with, but he again feels it should never happen in the regular continuity, and should be done only for special AU and one-offs), and Creator/KurtBusiek among others. There were writers who liked the marriage and wanted to keep it include JMS, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, Creator/PeterDavid, and Creator/MattFraction but out of [[BeingPersonalIsntProfessional professional ethics they followed the company line]], since the decision to take it was also mandated by executives.
** Others point out that while Quesada ended the marriage, he also oversaw some of the best stories in that entire
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* Richard Knaak of the [[Franchise/{{Warcraft}} World of Warcraft]] Lore does receive receives some of this. While the man does certainly have weaknesses in his writing style (Mary Sues for instance) he doesn't exactly go around changing the lore as he sees fit. He does discuss things with the rest of the lore team before hand, and he does have to get their approval before he makes any major change. While he is guilty of at least a few sins, changing the lore because he feels like it isn't one of them.
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* If you've met a disgruntled fan of ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', they'll probably tell you that the SeasonalRot of ''Literature/AFeastForCrows'' and ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons'' is evidence that Creator/GeorgeRRMartin ran out of ideas after the third book, and currently [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants has no idea where the series is going]]. While the series' rather JustForFun/{{egregious}} case of ScheduleSlip is no one's fault but Martin's (and he's admitted as much), the truth about the slow pace of the plot is a bit more complicated. As Martin has confirmed in multiple interviews, he knows ''exactly'' where the plot is going, and he has for years. The problem is that ''Crows'' and ''Dragons'' [[WhatCouldHaveBeen weren't even supposed to exist in his original plan for the series]]; he wanted to have a lengthy TimeSkip after the events of ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'' that would have set up the final climax of the series in the next books (hence, why so many major characters [[KilledOffForReal die]] or [[PutOnABus leave]] at the end of that book). When he realized that that plan wouldn't work, he had to write two new books as a bridge between the first act and the final act; if [[BreatherEpisode not much seems to happen]] in those books, it's because they're only meant to set up the climax that Martin originally wanted to write much earlier. And yes, Martin ''does'' know how the series is supposed to end: he's already shared the planned ending of the series with the producers of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' in case they get to the ending before he does.
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* If you've met a disgruntled fan of ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', they'll probably tell you that the SeasonalRot of ''Literature/AFeastForCrows'' and ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons'' is evidence that Creator/GeorgeRRMartin ran out of ideas after the third book, and currently [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants has no idea where the series is going]]. While the series' rather JustForFun/{{egregious}} case of ScheduleSlip is no one's fault but Martin's (and he's admitted as much), the truth about the slow pace of the plot is a bit more complicated. As Martin has confirmed in multiple interviews, he knows ''exactly'' where the plot is going, and he has for years. The problem is that ''Crows'' and ''Dragons'' [[WhatCouldHaveBeen weren't even supposed to exist in his original plan for the series]]; he wanted to have a lengthy TimeSkip after the events of ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'' that would have set up the final climax of the series in the next books (hence, why so many major characters [[KilledOffForReal die]] or [[PutOnABus leave]] at the end of that book). When he realized that that plan wouldn't work, he had to write two new books as a bridge between the first act and the final act; if [[BreatherEpisode not much seems to happen]] in those books, it's because they're only meant to set up the climax that Martin originally wanted to write much earlier. And yes, Martin ''does'' know how the series is supposed to end: he's already he shared the planned ending of the series with the producers of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' in case the event they get got to the ending before he does.did (which they did).
** On that Michael Grade note, one of the things some fans blame him for is the original show's cancellation, due to his involvement in the 1985-86 hiatus. While Grade's actions in that period may have set things in motion, at the time of the cancellation he was no longer Controller of BBC 1 (the position that ultimately decided whether to recommision the series), having been succeeded by Jonathan Powell two years before - and while Powell accepted the decision not to continue the series, he wasn't the one who made the decision in the first place. It was Head of Drama Group Mark Shivas who informed Powell that they wouldn't be offering a new season of ''Doctor Who'' for the 1990-91 financial year.
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** Creator/ChrisChibnall has been blamed for ''destroying the Canon'' with the Timeless Child plot twist (in which it was revealed that [[spoiler:the Doctor, far from being an ordinary inhabitant of Gallifrey, was actually a mysterious child of unknown origin who the Time Lords stole the power of regeneration from.]] First of all, ''Doctor Who'' canon has contradicted itself before. "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E5TheBrainOfMorbius The Brain of Morbius]]" also showed the Doctor having previous regenerations before Hartnell and the Seventh Doctor was also hinting at a mysterious origin and not being an ordinary Time Lord. So essentially Chibnall was simply just building on some ideas already introduced. He has also been blamed for every aspect of stories people haven't liked, such as the rather disliked politics in Kerblam!, a story which he didn't even write.
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** Creator/ChrisChibnall has been blamed for ''destroying the Canon'' with the Timeless Child plot twist (in which it was revealed that [[spoiler:the Doctor, far from being an ordinary inhabitant of Gallifrey, was actually a mysterious child of unknown origin who the Time Lords stole the power of regeneration from.]] First of all, ''Doctor Who'' canon has contradicted itself before. "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E5TheBrainOfMorbius The Brain of Morbius]]" also showed the Doctor having previous regenerations before Hartnell and the Seventh Doctor was also hinting at a mysterious origin and not being an ordinary Time Lord. So essentially Chibnall was simply just building on some ideas already introduced. He has also been blamed for every aspect of stories people haven't liked, such as the rather disliked politics in Kerblam!, "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS37E7Kerblam Kerblam!]]", a story which he didn't even write.
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* The ''Series/BionicWoman'' reboot in 2007 has had executive meddling or low ratings are usually blamed for the cancellation of the show. But it was the Writer's Strike that halted production. Had it not been for the strike, it's likely the show would have had a full first season at the least.
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* The ''Series/BionicWoman'' reboot in 2007 has had executive meddling or low ratings are usually blamed for the cancellation of the show. But it was the Writer's Strike that halted production. Had it not been for the strike, it's likely the show would have had a full first season at the least.
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** Many fans blamed Creator/DanDiDio for Wally West's death in the SeriesFinale[[note]]Now SeriesFauxnale as the show has been UnCanceled by Warner Bros. Animation in 2016.[[/note]] of ''Young Justice'' (as the character was declared "toxic" in the ComicBook/{{New 52}} and was in ComicBookLimbo until ComicBook/{{DC Rebirth}}), despite the fact that [=DiDio=] has ''nothing'' to do with DC Animation and the fact that Creator/GregWeisman has stated he planned on killing off Wally as far back as Season 1.
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** Many fans blamed Creator/DanDiDio for Wally West's death in the SeriesFinale[[note]]Now SeriesFauxnale as the show has been UnCanceled by Warner Bros. Animation in 2016.[[/note]] of ''Young Justice'' season 2 finale (as the character was declared "toxic" in the ComicBook/{{New 52}} ComicBook/New52 and was in ComicBookLimbo until ComicBook/{{DC Rebirth}}), ComicBook/DCRebirth), despite the fact that [=DiDio=] has ''nothing'' to do with DC Animation and the fact that Animation. Creator/GregWeisman has stated he planned on killing off Wally as far back as Season 1.
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Showrunners Creator/DavidBenioff and Creator/DBWeiss have often been blamed as the sole reason behind the show's SeasonalRot after season 5 and its ''highly'' disappointing series finale, with some even claiming that they rushed the show's ending to work on ''Franchise/StarWars'' (Which they later walked away from). While the amount of blame Benioff and Weiss deserve for the show ending the way it did is debated, it is important to note that perhaps the biggest factor behind the show's decline in quality was the fact that it [[OvertookTheManga overtook]] the unfinished [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire book series it was based on]], as Creator/GeorgeRRMartin failed to finish the books before the series ended, resulting in the showrunners having nothing but a few notes to work with in order to end the series. As a result, many have suggested that not only did Benioff and Weiss simply [[CreatorBreakdown suffer from creator burnout]], but the finale of the TV series was bound to be a disappointment no matter who wrote it, as it's clear that [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight no TV screenwriter would've been able match the level and quality of storytelling as a tenured author]].
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Showrunners Creator/DavidBenioff and Creator/DBWeiss have often been blamed as the sole reason behind the show's SeasonalRot after season 5 and its ''highly'' disappointing series finale, with some even claiming that they rushed the show's ending to work on a ''Franchise/StarWars'' (Which trilogy (which they were later walked away from).fired from due to schedule conflicts). While the amount of blame Benioff and Weiss deserve for the show ending the way it did is debated, it is important to note that perhaps the biggest factor behind the show's decline in quality was the fact that it [[OvertookTheManga overtook]] the unfinished [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire book series it was based on]], as Creator/GeorgeRRMartin failed to finish the books before the series ended, resulting in the showrunners having nothing but a few notes to work with in order to end the series. As a result, many have suggested that not only did Benioff and Weiss simply [[CreatorBreakdown suffer from creator burnout]], but the finale of the TV series was bound to be a disappointment no matter who wrote it, as it's clear that [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight no TV screenwriter would've been able match the level and quality of storytelling as a tenured author]].
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** Lucas also got blamed for making Soviets the main antagonists instead of [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazis]] like in previous films. In reality, due to the harrowing experience of making ''Film/SchindlersList'', Spielberg felt he could no longer depict Nazis as [[AcceptableTargets simply stock villains]] for Indy to beat, although Creator/HarrisonFord's advanced age since the last film also accounted for it.
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** Lucas also got blamed for making Soviets the main antagonists instead of [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazis]] like in previous films. In reality, due to the harrowing experience of making ''Film/SchindlersList'', Spielberg felt he could no longer depict Nazis as [[AcceptableTargets simply stock villains]] villains for Indy to beat, although Creator/HarrisonFord's advanced age since the last film also accounted for it.
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*** It's even older than that. The original 1982 ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' script featured Marty [=McFly=] surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge-time machine, in order to return to the present. This was scrapped because it was too expensive to pull off and they didn't want children climbing into fridges and getting stuck. Spielberg was also executive producer of that film.
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*** It's even older than that. The original 1982 ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' ''Film/BackToTheFuture1'' script featured Marty [=McFly=] surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge-time machine, in order to return to the present. This was scrapped because it was too expensive to pull off and they didn't want children climbing into fridges and getting stuck. Spielberg was also executive producer of that film.
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* People tend to blame Wrestling/VinceMcMahon (Jr) for everything bad in the WWE; while it is true that he has final say on what goes on TV a lot of the more controversial angles where others were the idea of other people working for the company (for example, the infamous Katie Vick angle was the brainchild of executive producer Kevin Dunn, though Vince has defended it pretty strongly and gladly taken "responsibility" for it in interviews, confusing the issue).
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* People tend to blame Wrestling/VinceMcMahon (Jr) for everything bad in the WWE; while it is true that he has final say on what goes on TV a lot of the more controversial angles where others were the idea of other people working for the company (for example, the infamous Katie Vick angle was the brainchild of executive producer Kevin Dunn, developed by [=McMahon=], then-''Raw'' Head Writer Brian Gewirtz, Wrestling/BrucePrichard, and Michael "P.S." Hayes (according to Pritchard), though Vince has defended it pretty strongly and gladly taken "responsibility" for it in interviews, confusing the issue).
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* As soon as it was revealed that Toadsworth was gonna be in the ''WesternAnimation/TheSuperMarioBrosMovie'' [[AdaptedOut before being cut]], people started pointing fingers at Creator/{{Nintendo}} over the decision. While Nintendo has made similar decisions in the past, [[NotMeThisTime this time]], Creator/IlluminationEntertainment were in charge of the final decision to remove him.
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* As soon as it was revealed that Toadsworth was gonna be in the ''WesternAnimation/TheSuperMarioBrosMovie'' [[AdaptedOut before being cut]], people started pointing fingers at Creator/{{Nintendo}} over the decision. While Nintendo has made similar decisions in the past, [[NotMeThisTime this time]], Creator/IlluminationEntertainment were in charge of the final decision to remove him.
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** And yet, out of everyone, no one in the band's history has received more vitriol and blame from the fanbase than Ray Wilson, the replacement singer on ''Music/CallingAllStations''. In truth, Mike and Tony were the ones who wrote most of the album, all Ray did was do what he was asked to do.
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* Feminists seem to get a lot of blame for ComicBook/WonderWoman's depowering in UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, however the complete opposite is true. While the decision to depower her was made to make the comic more appealing to feminists and women in general, DC came up with the idea all on their own -- in fact it was backlash from the feminists that resulted in her getting repowered.
** Also, both her depowering and ComicBook/{{Storm}}'s are often taken as extremes of sexism regardless of ''whose'' order you think it's on. Often ignored is the fact that they were "demoted" to CharlesAtlasSuperpower-wielding {{Badass Normal}}s. If you were really depowering a character because you ''didn't like the idea of strong women,'' you ''wouldn't'' make them Xena-class asskicking machines, which meant that it could have worked in theory. On the other hand, the de-powering period also coincided with her getting beaten up a lot by male villains, which, combined with less restricted content standards, came off as a lot more brutal than they otherwise would, and the idea that Wonder Woman would give up the responsibilities of her position to run a Mod clothing store in New York got dated real fast.
** Also, both her depowering and ComicBook/{{Storm}}'s are often taken as extremes of sexism regardless of ''whose'' order you think it's on. Often ignored is the fact that they were "demoted" to CharlesAtlasSuperpower-wielding {{Badass Normal}}s. If you were really depowering a character because you ''didn't like the idea of strong women,'' you ''wouldn't'' make them Xena-class asskicking machines, which meant that it could have worked in theory. On the other hand, the de-powering period also coincided with her getting beaten up a lot by male villains, which, combined with less restricted content standards, came off as a lot more brutal than they otherwise would, and the idea that Wonder Woman would give up the responsibilities of her position to run a Mod clothing store in New York got dated real fast.
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* Feminists seem to get a lot of blame for ComicBook/WonderWoman's Characters/{{Wonder Woman|TheCharacter}}'s depowering in UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, however the complete opposite is true. While the decision to depower her was made to make the comic more appealing to feminists and women in general, DC came up with the idea all on their own -- in fact it was backlash from the feminists that resulted in her getting repowered.
**repowered. Also, both her depowering and ComicBook/{{Storm}}'s [[Characters/MarvelComicsStorm Storm]]'s are often taken as extremes of sexism regardless of ''whose'' order you think it's on. Often ignored is the fact that they were "demoted" to CharlesAtlasSuperpower-wielding {{Badass Normal}}s. If you were really depowering a character because you ''didn't like the idea of strong women,'' you ''wouldn't'' make them Xena-class asskicking machines, which meant that it could have worked in theory. On the other hand, the de-powering period also coincided with her getting beaten up a lot by male villains, which, combined with less restricted content standards, came off as a lot more brutal than they otherwise would, and the idea that Wonder Woman would give up the responsibilities of her position to run a Mod clothing store in New York got dated real fast.
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* Blaming Bob Harras for most ComicBook/SpiderMan stories of the 90s including ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'', demonstrated in [[http://comiccritics.com/2010/10/10/textual-harrasment/ Comic Critics: "Textual Harrasment"]]. Harras is responsible for some of the bad comics of the time, most notably the Mackie/Byrne run where he demanded ideas the team disliked. But the Clone Saga wasn't really his fault. After EIC Defalco was stripped of his power by a decision to divide EIC into separate teams with each team encouraged to rival and compete with each other for success, Harras who was in charge of the X-Men stable, and had no involvement in the early part of the Clone Saga which writers and editors spun wheels around, and Harras arrived at the tail end, inheriting a major mess which he, to his credit, resolved. It's unlikely anyone in his position would have done different in that situation given how badly that story was managed at the time. And the decision he did take, bringing Norman Osborn BackFromTheDead was ultimately seen as a good one by most comics fans.
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* Blaming Bob Harras for most ComicBook/SpiderMan stories of the 90s including ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'', demonstrated in [[http://comiccritics.com/2010/10/10/textual-harrasment/ Comic Critics: "Textual Harrasment"]]. Harras is responsible for some of the bad comics of the time, most notably the Mackie/Byrne run where he demanded ideas the team disliked. But the Clone Saga wasn't really his fault. After EIC Defalco was stripped of his power by a decision to divide EIC into separate teams with each team encouraged to rival and compete with each other for success, Harras who was in charge of the X-Men stable, and had no involvement in the early part of the Clone Saga which writers and editors spun wheels around, and Harras arrived at the tail end, inheriting a major mess which he, to his credit, resolved. It's unlikely anyone in his position would have done different in that situation given how badly that story was managed at the time. And the decision he did take, bringing [[Characters/MarvelComicsNormanOsborn Norman Osborn Osborn]] BackFromTheDead was ultimately seen as a good one by most comics fans.
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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie was attacked by a number of white fans for supposedly "shoving diversity down their throats" with regards to his ''[[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]]'' roster. The truth is, ComicBook/{{Firestorm|DCComics}} and [[ComicBook/GreenLantern John Stewart]] were added to the team by editorial, while ComicBook/{{Vixen}} and ComicBook/BlackLightning had already been in the book when he took over. The only minority character he actually added to the team was Doctor Light. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16sKK-1oLQ He discussed the ridiculousness of these complaints here.]]
* The infamous (and maligned) scene in which ComicBook/BlackPanther (a human with low-grade SuperSerum-induced powers) seemingly incapacitates the ComicBook/SilverSurfer (near-godlike wielder of the Power Cosmic) with just a simple armlock is frequently attributed to Reginald Hudlin, when in reality the scene was actually written by the above-mentioned [=McDuffie=] in an issue of ''ComicBook/FantasticFour''.
* The infamous (and maligned) scene in which ComicBook/BlackPanther (a human with low-grade SuperSerum-induced powers) seemingly incapacitates the ComicBook/SilverSurfer (near-godlike wielder of the Power Cosmic) with just a simple armlock is frequently attributed to Reginald Hudlin, when in reality the scene was actually written by the above-mentioned [=McDuffie=] in an issue of ''ComicBook/FantasticFour''.
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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie was attacked by a number of white fans for supposedly "shoving diversity down their throats" with regards to his ''[[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica ''[[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]]'' roster. The truth is, ComicBook/{{Firestorm|DCComics}} and [[ComicBook/GreenLantern John Stewart]] were added to the team by editorial, while ComicBook/{{Vixen}} and ComicBook/BlackLightning had already been in the book when he took over. The only minority character he actually added to the team was Doctor Light. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16sKK-1oLQ He discussed the ridiculousness of these complaints here.]]
* The infamous (and maligned) scene in which ComicBook/BlackPanther (a human with low-grade SuperSerum-induced powers) seemingly incapacitates theComicBook/SilverSurfer Characters/SilverSurfer (near-godlike wielder of the Power Cosmic) with just a simple armlock is frequently attributed to Reginald Hudlin, when in reality the scene was actually written by the above-mentioned [=McDuffie=] in an issue of ''ComicBook/FantasticFour''.
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** Damian's death was blamed on the ''ComicBook/New52'' reboot and touted by fans as "Yet another example of how the ''New 52'' is ruining DC's characters." In reality, Morrison had planned Damian's death from the beginning, and had set the plan into motion long before ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' was even announced, which is HilariousInHindsight given that for the first few years of his creation, there were quite the amount of fans that were indeed wishing for his death...
* A frequent complaint from fans is that DC mistreats the ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', and that in-universe, that period in Justice League history is unfairly considered an AudienceAlienatingEra. In reality, the perception of the JLI as a blotch on the League's history dates back to the actual series itself, where writers Keith Giffen and J.M. [=DeMatteis=] made constant [[SelfDeprecation Self-Deprecating]] jokes about how the team was poorly regarded by other superheroes. The later reunion series, ''Formerly Known as the Justice League'', even had ComicBook/{{Batman}} and [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] looking back on their time with the JLI as an OldShame.
* A frequent complaint from fans is that DC mistreats the ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', and that in-universe, that period in Justice League history is unfairly considered an AudienceAlienatingEra. In reality, the perception of the JLI as a blotch on the League's history dates back to the actual series itself, where writers Keith Giffen and J.M. [=DeMatteis=] made constant [[SelfDeprecation Self-Deprecating]] jokes about how the team was poorly regarded by other superheroes. The later reunion series, ''Formerly Known as the Justice League'', even had ComicBook/{{Batman}} and [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] looking back on their time with the JLI as an OldShame.
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** Damian's death was blamed on the ''ComicBook/New52'' reboot and touted by fans as "Yet another example of how the ''New 52'' is ruining DC's characters." In reality, Morrison had planned Damian's death from the beginning, and had set the plan into motion long before ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint|DCComics}}'' was even announced, which is HilariousInHindsight given that for the first few years of his creation, there were quite the amount of fans that were indeed wishing for his death...
* A frequent complaint from fans is that DC mistreats the ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', and that in-universe, that period in Justice League history is unfairly considered an AudienceAlienatingEra. In reality, the perception of the JLI as a blotch on the League's history dates back to the actual series itself, where writers Keith Giffen and J.M. [=DeMatteis=] made constant [[SelfDeprecation Self-Deprecating]] jokes about how the team was poorly regarded by other superheroes. The later reunion series, ''Formerly Known as the Justice League'', even hadComicBook/{{Batman}} Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} and [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] looking back on their time with the JLI as an OldShame.
* A frequent complaint from fans is that DC mistreats the ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', and that in-universe, that period in Justice League history is unfairly considered an AudienceAlienatingEra. In reality, the perception of the JLI as a blotch on the League's history dates back to the actual series itself, where writers Keith Giffen and J.M. [=DeMatteis=] made constant [[SelfDeprecation Self-Deprecating]] jokes about how the team was poorly regarded by other superheroes. The later reunion series, ''Formerly Known as the Justice League'', even had
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* ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' #200, the infamous issue where Ms. Marvel becomes impregnated and gives birth to her own impregnator before going off to have a "happy ending" with him has four writer credits: writers David Michelinie and Bob Layton, artist George Perez and then-Editor-in-Chief Creator/JimShooter. Both Mark Gruenwald and David Michelinie have said the issue was a last minute re-write due to similarities to another comic coming out around the same time (specifically Carol was supposed to be impregnated by the Kree's Supreme Intelligence originally; the other comic was a similar plot in ''What If'') and according to Gruenwald Shooter's involvement was essentially the decree that they needed to find a different father. Still despite a book re-written by committee at the last minute Shooter, perhaps because of his infamous reputation, is generally the sole person blamed for that issue. That said, by Shooter's own admission, he couldn't precisely remember what part he played, but the fact that he was editor at the time meant that he wasn't completely innocent, and has accepted responsibility for it.
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* ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' #200, the infamous issue where [[Characters/MarvelComicsCarolDanvers Ms. Marvel Marvel]] becomes impregnated and gives birth to her own impregnator before going off to have a "happy ending" with him has four writer credits: writers David Michelinie and Bob Layton, artist George Perez and then-Editor-in-Chief Creator/JimShooter. Both Mark Gruenwald and David Michelinie have said the issue was a last minute re-write due to similarities to another comic coming out around the same time (specifically Carol was supposed to be impregnated by the Kree's Supreme Intelligence originally; the other comic was a similar plot in ''What If'') and according to Gruenwald Shooter's involvement was essentially the decree that they needed to find a different father. Still despite a book re-written by committee at the last minute Shooter, perhaps because of his infamous reputation, is generally the sole person blamed for that issue. That said, by Shooter's own admission, he couldn't precisely remember what part he played, but the fact that he was editor at the time meant that he wasn't completely innocent, and has accepted responsibility for it.
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** It's been said that Batman fans at the time hated [[ComicBook/{{Robin}} Jason Todd]] to the point they voted to kill him off. This leaves out that it's been speculated, even by the late Creator/DennyONeil, who over saw the event, that the votes were rigged by one person who wanted to see Jason die.
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** It's been said that Batman fans at the time hated [[ComicBook/{{Robin}} [[Characters/BatmanJasonTodd Jason Todd]] to the point they voted to kill him off. This leaves out that it's been speculated, even by the late Creator/DennyONeil, who over saw the event, that the votes were rigged by one person who wanted to see Jason die.
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* Creator/GrantMorrison's ''ComicBook/NewXMen'' is highly divisive among ''ComicBook/XMen'' fans for many reasons, but many fans blame the run for robbing ComicBook/{{Magneto}} of his moral ambiguity and turning him back into a supervillain. While Morrison's interpretation of the character (who was later {{retcon}}ned as an imposter) ''is'' one of his most unsympathetic portrayals by far, Creator/ChrisClaremont actually returned Magneto to supervillain status back in the early 90s--over a decade before Morrison came along.
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* Creator/GrantMorrison's ''ComicBook/NewXMen'' is highly divisive among ''ComicBook/XMen'' fans for many reasons, but many fans blame the run for robbing ComicBook/{{Magneto}} Characters/{{Ma|rvelComicsMagneto}}gneto of his moral ambiguity and turning him back into a supervillain. While Morrison's interpretation of the character (who was later {{retcon}}ned as an imposter) ''is'' one of his most unsympathetic portrayals by far, Creator/ChrisClaremont actually returned Magneto to supervillain status back in the early 90s--over a decade before Morrison came along.
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* Creator/GeoffJohns is blamed by some ''Franchise/GreenLantern'' fans for rebranding Kyle Rayner as a cosmic character who regards Earth through a lens of StrangerInAFamiliarLand. In nearly every story that Kyle appears in after ''ComicBook/GreenLanternRebirth'', he is devoted to the Corps and Oa, and repeatedly affirms that he feels more comfortable in space than on Earth. This is a marked shift from earlier depictions of the character, which portrayed him as an earthbound everyman who had good friends on Earth and was proud to be on the Justice League. Many of Johns' critics assume that he shunted Kyle into space to clear the JLA spot for Hal Jordan. However, Kyle had actually left Earth long before Hal's return, as DC wanted to push John Stewart as the Earth-based Green Lantern.
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* Creator/GeoffJohns is blamed by some ''Franchise/GreenLantern'' ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'' fans for rebranding Kyle Rayner as a cosmic character who regards Earth through a lens of StrangerInAFamiliarLand. In nearly every story that Kyle appears in after ''ComicBook/GreenLanternRebirth'', he is devoted to the Corps and Oa, and repeatedly affirms that he feels more comfortable in space than on Earth. This is a marked shift from earlier depictions of the character, which portrayed him as an earthbound everyman who had good friends on Earth and was proud to be on the Justice League. Many of Johns' critics assume that he shunted Kyle into space to clear the JLA spot for Hal Jordan. However, Kyle had actually left Earth long before Hal's return, as DC wanted to push John Stewart as the Earth-based Green Lantern.
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* Some ''Franchise/TeenTitans'' fans blamed editor Jonathan Peterson for not allowing Nightwing and Starfire to marry in the 100th issue of ''The New Titans''. In actuality, the decision was made after he left DC to join Image by Batman editors, who wanted Nightwing to return back to the Bat-books, forcing Creator/MarvWolfman to scrap plans to have them married as well as a miniseries taking place after it.
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* Some ''Franchise/TeenTitans'' ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' fans blamed editor Jonathan Peterson for not allowing Nightwing Characters/{{Nightwing|DickGrayson}} and Starfire [[Characters/TeenTitansStarfire Starfire]] to marry in the 100th issue of ''The New Titans''. In actuality, the decision was made after he left DC to join Image by Batman editors, who wanted Nightwing to return back to the Bat-books, forcing Creator/MarvWolfman to scrap plans to have them married as well as a miniseries taking place after it.
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** The story itself -- while touted as being entirely King's intent -- seems to have been altered mid-release. Originally the series was announced as a 6-parter, then bumped up to 7, then finalized to 9, and while King claims it was his idea (according to him, it was 7 issues plus 2 side "special edition" issues, but he talked DC into making them all making them official), nothing about said issues reflect this. What instead received attention was the occassional odd delay, the degree to which certain high-profile elements of the story -- mainly the Trinity, Sanctuary, and its therapist AI -- [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse are abruptly dropped by the last three issues]], and how rushed the last few issues were in introducing and resolving the mystery, leaving even more plot and [[LostAesop thematic threads]] dangling. This, combined with [[https://bleedingcool.com/comics/heroes-in-crisis-spoilers-armageddon-2001/ early (though unsubstantiated) rumors of the series' ending]] and the series already receiving backlash from day 1, has led to a good chunk of readers to assume that for whatever reason, someone (whether it be King, editorial, or both) got cold feet at the original trajectory for the series, and that they had to change course for a different resolution. While the end result was still work by King's hand, it's since been accepted among more charitable readers that the worst decisions of the story weren't his to make.
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** The story itself -- while touted as being entirely King's intent -- seems to have been altered mid-release. Originally the series was announced as a 6-parter, then bumped up to 7, then finalized to 9, and while King claims it was his idea (according to him, it was 7 issues plus 2 side "special edition" issues, but he talked DC into making them all making them official), nothing about said issues reflect this. What instead received attention was the occassional occasional odd delay, the degree to which certain high-profile elements of the story -- mainly the Trinity, Sanctuary, and its therapist AI -- [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse are abruptly dropped by the last three issues]], and how rushed the last few issues were in introducing and resolving the mystery, leaving even more plot and [[LostAesop thematic threads]] dangling. This, combined with [[https://bleedingcool.com/comics/heroes-in-crisis-spoilers-armageddon-2001/ early (though unsubstantiated) rumors of the series' ending]] and the series already receiving backlash from day 1, has led to a good chunk of readers to assume that for whatever reason, someone (whether it be King, editorial, or both) got cold feet at the original trajectory for the series, and that they had to change course for a different resolution. While the end result was still work by King's hand, it's since been accepted among more charitable readers that the worst decisions of the story weren't his to make.
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* A very common misconception about the film adaptation of ''WesternAnimation/{{Coraline}}'' was that Creator/TimBurton directed it, especially when the trailers said "From the creator of ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas''". Actually, Henry Selick directed both ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas'' '''and''' ''WesternAnimation/{{Coraline}}'' (Burton just produced), and he doesn't always have a similar style like Tim Burton does with at least 60% of his films. (Including stop-motion.) That misconception seemed to be what the marketing was aiming for (probably figuring that implying Burton's involvement would get more people to see it).
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* A very common misconception about the film adaptation of ''WesternAnimation/{{Coraline}}'' was that Creator/TimBurton directed it, especially when the trailers said "From the creator of ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas''". Actually, Henry Selick Creator/HenrySelick directed both ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas'' '''and''' ''WesternAnimation/{{Coraline}}'' (Burton just produced), and he doesn't always have a similar style like Tim Burton does with at least 60% of his films. (Including stop-motion.) That misconception seemed to be what the marketing was aiming for (probably figuring that implying Burton's involvement would get more people to see it).
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* Despite popular belief, ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'' was NOT responsible for Sony's nixing of Gennedy Tartakovsky's ''Popeye'' movie. The two movies were developed in two different time frames, separated by the fateful Sony hack and the subsequent shuffling of executive positions, making it more of a case of unfortunate timing more than anything.
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* Despite popular belief, ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'' was NOT responsible for Sony's nixing of Gennedy Tartakovsky's Creator/GenndyTartakovsky's ''Popeye'' movie. The two movies were developed in two different time frames, separated by the fateful Sony hack and the subsequent shuffling of executive positions, making it more of a case of unfortunate timing more than anything.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongebobSquarepantsMovie'' is often accused of getting the [[WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants series proper]] UnCancelled and causing it to go through SeasonalRot as a result. In reality, Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} was trying to convince Stephen Hillenburg to renew the show for a fourth season between 2002 and 2004, and he refused, so they hired Paul Tibbit instead. In fact, new episodes couldn't have been produced between the movie's release and Season 4's release, as the two were only six months apart (November 2004 and May 2005 respectively), while ''[=SpongeBob=]'' episodes take [[ProductionLeadTime at least nine months to produce]].
* Despite some of the questionable choices Cartoon Network made in the 2010s, greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGoToTheMovies'' is not one of them. Like [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo the show]] it's based on, it's produced by Warner Brothers Animation and DC Comics, and is not a network original.
* Creator/WarnerBros has taken some criticism for supposedly making the 1990s ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' [[WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryTheMovie movie]] when they actually didn't because they didn't own the characters until Time Warner, WB's parent company, acquired Turner Entertainment in 1996. It was actually made by Creator/FilmRoman and distributed by Creator/MiramaxFilms. The only thing WB has to do with it is distributing the [=DVD=] release.
* Despite some of the questionable choices Cartoon Network made in the 2010s, greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGoToTheMovies'' is not one of them. Like [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo the show]] it's based on, it's produced by Warner Brothers Animation and DC Comics, and is not a network original.
* Creator/WarnerBros has taken some criticism for supposedly making the 1990s ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' [[WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryTheMovie movie]] when they actually didn't because they didn't own the characters until Time Warner, WB's parent company, acquired Turner Entertainment in 1996. It was actually made by Creator/FilmRoman and distributed by Creator/MiramaxFilms. The only thing WB has to do with it is distributing the [=DVD=] release.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongebobSquarepantsMovie'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongeBobSquarePantsMovie'' is often accused of getting the [[WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants series proper]] UnCancelled UnCanceled and causing it to go through SeasonalRot as a result. In reality, Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} was trying to convince Stephen Hillenburg to renew the show for a fourth season between 2002 and 2004, and he refused, so they hired Paul Tibbit instead. In fact, new episodes couldn't have been produced between the movie's release and Season 4's release, as the two were only six months apart (November 2004 and May 2005 respectively), while ''[=SpongeBob=]'' episodes take [[ProductionLeadTime at least nine months to produce]].
* Despite some of the questionable choicesCartoon Network Creator/CartoonNetwork made in the 2010s, greenlighting ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGoToTheMovies'' is not one of them. Like [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo the show]] it's based on, it's produced by Warner Brothers Animation and DC Comics, and is not a network original.
* Creator/WarnerBros has taken some criticism for supposedly making the 1990s''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' ''Franchise/TomAndJerry'' [[WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryTheMovie movie]] when they actually didn't because they didn't own the characters until Time Warner, WB's parent company, acquired Turner Entertainment in 1996. It was actually made by Creator/FilmRoman and distributed by Creator/MiramaxFilms. The only thing WB has to do with it is distributing the [=DVD=] release.
* Despite some of the questionable choices
* Creator/WarnerBros has taken some criticism for supposedly making the 1990s
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheBlackCauldron''. Many people blame Jeffery Katzenberg for cutting the film at the last minute and ruining the movie. While he did cut the film and tone down some scenes as they were really too dark to get a PG rating[[note]]This was before PG-13 rating, the original cut could have made the movie R[[/note]], in reality, most of the cuts were just timing issues. While he did do an infamous twelve minute cut, most of it was restored after Eisner talked to him. Most of the film blame can go towards ExecutiveMeddling. The film was already overbudget and had been in production since 1973 when the rights to the book were obtained. The film had missed its release date a number of times, but issues with adaption, in fighting between Walt's old animators and the newer animators caused a lot of people to drop out of the film. Katzenberg wasn't hired by Disney until 1984, only a few months before the original release date. The storyboards of the movie and the book tie in show the missing and reworked scenes.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheBlackCauldron''. Many people blame Jeffery Katzenberg Creator/JeffreyKatzenberg for cutting the film at the last minute and ruining the movie. While he did cut the film and tone down some scenes as they were really too dark to get a PG rating[[note]]This was before PG-13 rating, the original cut could have made the movie R[[/note]], in reality, most of the cuts were just timing issues. While he did do an infamous twelve minute cut, most of it was restored after Eisner talked to him. Most of the film blame can go towards ExecutiveMeddling. The film was already overbudget and had been in production since 1973 when the rights to the book were obtained. The film had missed its release date a number of times, but issues with adaption, in fighting between Walt's old animators and the newer animators caused a lot of people to drop out of the film. Katzenberg wasn't hired by Disney until 1984, only a few months before the original release date. The storyboards of the movie and the book tie in show the missing and reworked scenes.
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* There's a trend among professional film critics to regard the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood era as the last true Golden Age of films. This was a period where ambitious young film directors, using the new freedom of the R rating, created DarkerAndEdgier films that were critically acclaimed box office hits. Many of these critics (perhaps the most prominent was ''Newsweek'' critic David Ansen) misblame Creator/StevenSpielberg for making ''Film/{{Jaws}}'' and especially Creator/GeorgeLucas for making ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]'', because this supposedly "ruined" the New Hollywood era, and replaced it with the "inferior" [[UsefulNotes/TheBlockbusterAgeOfHollywood Blockbuster Age of Hollywood]]. This argument and sentiment, while valid on the face of it (and something even Quotes/GeorgeLucas has admitted is true), ignores a lot of other industry trends, and other mistakes made at the time. Namely the fact that the more artistically inclined film-makers never bothered to leverage their gains into gaining legal recognition as artists and access to copyrights (which their French counterparts did), that the film industry was so weak that it was being bought out by corporations at the time. The era lasted long primarily because of tax-breaks from the Nixon government which amounted ([[http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/17/entertainment/ca-dargis17/2 in critic Manohla Dargis' words]]) to a virtual subsidy of the film industry, a fact which did not stop Hollywood from biting the hand that fed it.
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* There's a trend among professional film critics to regard the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood era as the last true Golden Age of films. This was a period where ambitious young film directors, using the new freedom of the R rating, created DarkerAndEdgier films that were critically acclaimed box office hits. Many of these critics (perhaps the most prominent was ''Newsweek'' critic David Ansen) misblame Creator/StevenSpielberg for making ''Film/{{Jaws}}'' and especially Creator/GeorgeLucas for making ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]'', because this supposedly "ruined" the New Hollywood era, and replaced it with the "inferior" [[UsefulNotes/TheBlockbusterAgeOfHollywood Blockbuster Age of Hollywood]]. This argument and sentiment, while valid on the face of it (and something even Quotes/GeorgeLucas has admitted is true), ignores a lot of other industry trends, and other mistakes made at the time. Namely the fact that the more artistically inclined film-makers never bothered to leverage their gains into gaining legal recognition as artists and access to copyrights (which their French counterparts did), that the film industry was so weak that it was being bought out by corporations at the time. The era lasted long primarily because of tax-breaks from the Nixon government which amounted ([[http://articles.([[https://web.archive.org/web/20160428110124/http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/17/entertainment/ca-dargis17/2 in critic Manohla Dargis' words]]) to a virtual subsidy of the film industry, a fact which did not stop Hollywood from biting the hand that fed it.
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* Among the complaints about Creator/TimBurton's [[Film/PlanetOfTheApes2001 2001 remake]] of ''Franchise/PlanetOfTheApes'' was in its ending, which is significantly different from the original film. However, the new ending is actually closer to that of the [[AdaptationDisplacement original book]].
** There's also the fact that Burton's creative input may have been exaggerated to get the film extra publicity.
* The same complaints were alleged at Burton's adaptation of ''Literature/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory''. Most of the complaints were, in fact, not departures from the original book, but actually more faithful to the book than the last movie was. The "changed" lyrics to the Oompa Loompas' musical numbers, for example, are directly lifted from lyrics in the book. One [[http://www.flickfilosopher.com/blog/2005/07/charlie_and_the_chocolate_fact.html prominent film critic]] complained that the Burton adaptation chickened out by showing that the bad children survived their ordeals, where the 70s film had stayed "faithful" -- but the Burton film was actually being faithful to an identical scene in the book. The only drastic change to the film came towards the end with the subplot about Wonka's father, which is all Burton. The bad kids survived in the 70s movie, too, but a lot of people, including that film critic, apparently missed the line explaining it.
** It should also perhaps be noted that, even though [[FandomRivalry many fans of the original film disown the Burton remake]], the remake actually exists, in part, because Roald Dahl was [[DisownedAdaptation much displeased with how the original film turned out]]. His will even forbade future filmmakers from adapting the novel's sequel, ''Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator'', into a film -- which is why Burton's remake doesn't have the SequelHook that the original did. Legitimate criticism of the remake notwithstanding, Dahl's widow personally gave it her blessing, saying that she felt that it was closer to her husband's vision than the original.
** There's also the fact that Burton's creative input may have been exaggerated to get the film extra publicity.
* The same complaints were alleged at Burton's adaptation of ''Literature/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory''. Most of the complaints were, in fact, not departures from the original book, but actually more faithful to the book than the last movie was. The "changed" lyrics to the Oompa Loompas' musical numbers, for example, are directly lifted from lyrics in the book. One [[http://www.flickfilosopher.com/blog/2005/07/charlie_and_the_chocolate_fact.html prominent film critic]] complained that the Burton adaptation chickened out by showing that the bad children survived their ordeals, where the 70s film had stayed "faithful" -- but the Burton film was actually being faithful to an identical scene in the book. The only drastic change to the film came towards the end with the subplot about Wonka's father, which is all Burton. The bad kids survived in the 70s movie, too, but a lot of people, including that film critic, apparently missed the line explaining it.
** It should also perhaps be noted that, even though [[FandomRivalry many fans of the original film disown the Burton remake]], the remake actually exists, in part, because Roald Dahl was [[DisownedAdaptation much displeased with how the original film turned out]]. His will even forbade future filmmakers from adapting the novel's sequel, ''Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator'', into a film -- which is why Burton's remake doesn't have the SequelHook that the original did. Legitimate criticism of the remake notwithstanding, Dahl's widow personally gave it her blessing, saying that she felt that it was closer to her husband's vision than the original.
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* Among the complaints about Creator/TimBurton's [[Film/PlanetOfTheApes2001 2001 remake]] of ''Franchise/PlanetOfTheApes'' was in its ending, which is significantly different from the original film. However, the new ending is actually closer to that of the [[AdaptationDisplacement original book]].
**book]]. There's also the fact that Burton's creative input may have been exaggerated to get the film extra publicity.
* The same complaints were alleged at Burton's adaptation of ''Literature/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory''. Most of the complaints were, in fact, not departures from the original book, but actually more faithful to the book than the last movie was. The "changed" lyrics to the Oompa Loompas' musical numbers, for example, are directly lifted from lyrics in the book. One [[http://www.flickfilosopher.com/blog/2005/07/charlie_and_the_chocolate_fact.html prominent film critic]] complained that the Burton adaptation chickened out by showing that the bad children survived their ordeals, where the 70s film had stayed "faithful" -- but the Burton film was actually being faithful to an identical scene in the book. The only drastic change to the film came towards the end with the subplot about Wonka's father, which is all Burton. The bad kids survived in the 70s movie, too, but a lot of people, including that film critic, apparently missed the line explainingit.
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It should also perhaps be noted that, even though [[FandomRivalry many fans of the original film disown the Burton remake]], the remake actually exists, in part, becauseRoald Dahl Creator/RoaldDahl was [[DisownedAdaptation much displeased with how the original film turned out]]. His will even forbade future filmmakers from adapting the novel's sequel, ''Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator'', ''Literature/CharlieAndTheGreatGlassElevator'', into a film -- which is why Burton's remake doesn't have the SequelHook that the original did. Legitimate criticism of the remake notwithstanding, Dahl's widow personally gave it her blessing, saying that she felt that it was closer to her husband's vision than the original.
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* The same complaints were alleged at Burton's adaptation of ''Literature/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory''. Most of the complaints were, in fact, not departures from the original book, but actually more faithful to the book than the last movie was. The "changed" lyrics to the Oompa Loompas' musical numbers, for example, are directly lifted from lyrics in the book. One [[http://www.flickfilosopher.com/blog/2005/07/charlie_and_the_chocolate_fact.html prominent film critic]] complained that the Burton adaptation chickened out by showing that the bad children survived their ordeals, where the 70s film had stayed "faithful" -- but the Burton film was actually being faithful to an identical scene in the book. The only drastic change to the film came towards the end with the subplot about Wonka's father, which is all Burton. The bad kids survived in the 70s movie, too, but a lot of people, including that film critic, apparently missed the line explaining
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* Blaming every last thing about ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' on director Creator/JoelSchumacher is practically standard issue (to the point where his very strong filmography leading up to it [[NeverLiveItDown is completely dismissed in discussions]]), but his actual involvement wasn't as great as stated. While the overly goofy tone of the film, gaudy visuals and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Bat]]-[[WTHCostumingDepartment Nipples]] were indeed his fault, he was only loosely involved with writing the film; he helped screenwriter Akiva Goldsman come up with a story outline, then went off to direct ''Film/ATimeToKill'', during which time Goldsman finished the screenplay mostly by himself, albeit with the studio execs demanding the inclusion of tons of characters to help sell more toys. At worst, Schumacher just turned what would have been a very poor film regardless into an even bigger mess.
** This can also extend to ''Film/BatmanForever'', which, while it was better-received than its successor, is largely seen as the [[FranchiseOriginalSin origin]] of many of the problems ''B&R'' would face. Schumacher wanted to adapt ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'', and even had a script written with the help of the comic's author, Creator/FrankMiller; however, because the dark tone of ''Film/BatmanReturns'' was blamed for the film underperforming, the studio forced him to make a much more lighthearted film.
* When it was eventually released, the movie version of ''Film/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy2005'' met with a lukewarm response. Fans were quick to blame most of the elements that they disliked on ExecutiveMeddling which butchered Douglas Adams' vision... apparently unaware that most of the more contentious material (such as the increased focus on the romance between Arthur and Trillian and the Humma Kavula subplot) were actually put in there by Adams himself.
** For that matter, pretty much ''every'' adaptation of ''Hitchhiker's Guide'' was criticized for differences from the source material and crying "AdaptationDecay", despite the fact that Adams was directly involved with every one of them that was made when he was alive, and intentionally designed each of them to have significant differences from one another.
** This can also extend to ''Film/BatmanForever'', which, while it was better-received than its successor, is largely seen as the [[FranchiseOriginalSin origin]] of many of the problems ''B&R'' would face. Schumacher wanted to adapt ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'', and even had a script written with the help of the comic's author, Creator/FrankMiller; however, because the dark tone of ''Film/BatmanReturns'' was blamed for the film underperforming, the studio forced him to make a much more lighthearted film.
* When it was eventually released, the movie version of ''Film/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy2005'' met with a lukewarm response. Fans were quick to blame most of the elements that they disliked on ExecutiveMeddling which butchered Douglas Adams' vision... apparently unaware that most of the more contentious material (such as the increased focus on the romance between Arthur and Trillian and the Humma Kavula subplot) were actually put in there by Adams himself.
** For that matter, pretty much ''every'' adaptation of ''Hitchhiker's Guide'' was criticized for differences from the source material and crying "AdaptationDecay", despite the fact that Adams was directly involved with every one of them that was made when he was alive, and intentionally designed each of them to have significant differences from one another.
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* Blaming every last thing about ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' on director Creator/JoelSchumacher is practically standard issue (to the point where his very strong filmography leading up to it [[NeverLiveItDown is completely dismissed in discussions]]), but his actual involvement wasn't as great as stated. While the overly goofy tone of the film, gaudy visuals and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Bat]]-[[WTHCostumingDepartment Nipples]] were indeed his fault, he was only loosely involved with writing the film; he helped screenwriter Akiva Goldsman come up with a story outline, then went off to direct ''Film/ATimeToKill'', during which time Goldsman finished the screenplay mostly by himself, albeit with the studio execs demanding the inclusion of tons of characters to help sell more toys. At worst, Schumacher just turned what would have been a very poor film regardless into an even bigger mess.
**mess.\\
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This can also extend to ''Film/BatmanForever'', which, while it was better-received than its successor, is largely seen as the [[FranchiseOriginalSin origin]] of many of the problems ''B&R'' would face. Schumacher wanted to adapt ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'', and even had a script written with the help of the comic's author, Creator/FrankMiller; however, because the dark tone of ''Film/BatmanReturns'' was blamed for the film underperforming, the studio forced him to make a much more lighthearted film.
* When it was eventually released, the movie version of ''Film/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy2005'' met with a lukewarm response. Fans were quick to blame most of the elements that they disliked on ExecutiveMeddling which butcheredDouglas Adams' Creator/DouglasAdams' vision... apparently unaware that most of the more contentious material (such as the increased focus on the romance between Arthur and Trillian and the Humma Kavula subplot) were actually put in there by Adams himself.
**himself. For that matter, pretty much ''every'' adaptation of ''Hitchhiker's Guide'' was criticized for differences from the source material and crying "AdaptationDecay", despite the fact that Adams was directly involved with every one of them that was made when he was alive, and intentionally designed each of them to have significant differences from one another.
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This can also extend to ''Film/BatmanForever'', which, while it was better-received than its successor, is largely seen as the [[FranchiseOriginalSin origin]] of many of the problems ''B&R'' would face. Schumacher wanted to adapt ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'', and even had a script written with the help of the comic's author, Creator/FrankMiller; however, because the dark tone of ''Film/BatmanReturns'' was blamed for the film underperforming, the studio forced him to make a much more lighthearted film.
* When it was eventually released, the movie version of ''Film/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy2005'' met with a lukewarm response. Fans were quick to blame most of the elements that they disliked on ExecutiveMeddling which butchered
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** When ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald '' was first released to middling reviews, Creator/JKRowling took most of the blame for its incoherence. However, it's now known that the film was burdened by a studio mandated 2 hour 15 minute runtime (which is about fifteen minutes shorter than most big blockbusters) and more blame has been shifted to Creator/WarnerBrothers. It was best highlighted by the [[BetterOnDVD extended cut included on home release]], which adds a total of 14 minutes, most of which is exposition that does actually explain the story. The most baffling omission from the theatrical cut would probably be a scene that clocked in at only forty seconds that had Dumbledore explaining why exactly he had sent Newt to New York in the first film. There are even more scenes floating around the internet with completed CGI which would imply the mandated runtime came late in the process. It would seem that director Creator/DavidYates and his editing team had to make the tough call to prioritize plot over exposition and characters to work within the runtime.
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** When ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald '' was first released to middling reviews, Creator/JKRowling took most of the blame for its incoherence. However, it's now known that the film was burdened by a studio mandated 2 hour 15 minute runtime (which is about fifteen minutes shorter than most big blockbusters) and more blame has been shifted to Creator/WarnerBrothers. Creator/WarnerBros It was best highlighted by the [[BetterOnDVD extended cut included on home release]], which adds a total of 14 minutes, most of which is exposition that does actually explain the story. The most baffling omission from the theatrical cut would probably be a scene that clocked in at only forty seconds that had Dumbledore explaining why exactly he had sent Newt to New York in the first film. There are even more scenes floating around the internet with completed CGI which would imply the mandated runtime came late in the process. It would seem that director Creator/DavidYates and his editing team had to make the tough call to prioritize plot over exposition and characters to work within the runtime.
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* ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' differs greatly from ''other adaptations'', especially the classic, genteel Creator/BasilRathbone or Creator/JeremyBrett interpretations, but one only has to look at the laundry-list of continuity nods on that page to realize that in terms of characterization, Richie's film is closer to the spirit of Doyle's stories -- just in a [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation different direction]] from previous adaptations.
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* ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' differs greatly from ''other adaptations'', especially the classic, genteel Creator/BasilRathbone or Creator/JeremyBrett interpretations, but one only has to look at the laundry-list of continuity nods on that page to realize that in terms of characterization, Richie's film is closer to the spirit of Doyle's stories -- just in a [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation different direction]] from previous adaptations.
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* A lot of ''Comicbook/XMen'' fans blame Creator/BrettRatner for every single problem with ''Film/XMenTheLastStand''. Others blame the film's original director, Creator/MatthewVaughn, for screwing the film over by quitting right before the start of filming, and still others hold both men equally to blame. In actual fact, while you could make legitimate criticisms about both Ratner's direction and Vaughn's decision to quit, neither of them were responsible for the storyline. That was about 90% the same as the final film well before Vaughn had signed up, and neither director was permitted to make any serious changes to the screenplay (which, despite him giving "family reasons" for his decision to quit, was apparently a major factor in Vaughn leaving the film).
** Ironically, many fans actually blame ''Bryan Singer'' for everything wrong with ''The Last Stand''. Despite (or perhaps even ''because of'') Singer departing the franchise to direct ''Film/SupermanReturns'', and having nothing to do with ''X3'' at all!
** Ironically, many fans actually blame ''Bryan Singer'' for everything wrong with ''The Last Stand''. Despite (or perhaps even ''because of'') Singer departing the franchise to direct ''Film/SupermanReturns'', and having nothing to do with ''X3'' at all!
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* A lot of ''Comicbook/XMen'' fans blame Creator/BrettRatner for every single problem with ''Film/XMenTheLastStand''. Others blame the film's original director, Creator/MatthewVaughn, for screwing the film over by quitting right before the start of filming, and still others hold both men equally to blame. In actual fact, while you could make legitimate criticisms about both Ratner's direction and Vaughn's decision to quit, neither of them were responsible for the storyline. That was about 90% the same as the final film well before Vaughn had signed up, and neither director was permitted to make any serious changes to the screenplay (which, despite him giving "family reasons" for his decision to quit, was apparently a major factor in Vaughn leaving the film).
**film). Ironically, many fans actually blame ''Bryan Singer'' for everything wrong with ''The Last Stand''. Despite (or perhaps even ''because of'') Singer departing the franchise to direct ''Film/SupermanReturns'', and having nothing to do with ''X3'' at all!
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* In 2010, Creator/{{MGM}} was bashed excessively by internet users (who have been TaintedByThePreview) when ''their financial problems'' delayed production of ''[[Film/{{Skyfall}} Bond 23]]'' and ''Film/TheHobbit'', not to mention remakes of ''Film/RedDawn2012'' and ''Film/RoboCop2014''. Of course, most of these users are fans of these franchises, who believe MGM stole ''James Bond'' from Sony[[note]]who never even owned rights to the franchise except for co-production rights with MGM[[/note]] and ''The Hobbit'' from New Line Cinema[[note]]even though MGM owned the original film rights to Tolkien's works since the early 1970s[[/note]], and that the studio is apparently [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling]] with these projects. This backlash somehow led to [[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101207160228AAxZ4R5 a Yahoo! Answers question]] asking about it.
* Fans were quick to blame Creator/GeorgeLucas for the infamous fridge nuking scene in ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheKingdomOfTheCrystalSkull''. [[http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32315 Steven Spielberg admitted that it was his idea]] (and that he was happy to have brought that silly idea into popular culture), although he did also say that the aliens were Lucas' idea. Years later, though, this was DoubleSubverted when Lucas revealed he did think of the fridge scene, and Spielberg was TakingTheHeat for him.
* Fans were quick to blame Creator/GeorgeLucas for the infamous fridge nuking scene in ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheKingdomOfTheCrystalSkull''. [[http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32315 Steven Spielberg admitted that it was his idea]] (and that he was happy to have brought that silly idea into popular culture), although he did also say that the aliens were Lucas' idea. Years later, though, this was DoubleSubverted when Lucas revealed he did think of the fridge scene, and Spielberg was TakingTheHeat for him.
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* In 2010, Creator/{{MGM}} Creator/{{M|etroGoldwynMayer}}GM was bashed excessively by internet users (who have been TaintedByThePreview) when ''their financial problems'' delayed production of ''[[Film/{{Skyfall}} Bond 23]]'' and ''Film/TheHobbit'', not to mention remakes of ''Film/RedDawn2012'' and ''Film/RoboCop2014''. Of course, most of these users are fans of these franchises, who believe MGM stole ''James Bond'' from Sony[[note]]who never even owned rights to the franchise except for co-production rights with MGM[[/note]] and ''The Hobbit'' from New Line Cinema[[note]]even though MGM owned the original film rights to Tolkien's works since the early 1970s[[/note]], and that the studio is apparently [[ExecutiveMeddling meddling]] with these projects. This backlash somehow led to [[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101207160228AAxZ4R5 a Yahoo! Answers question]] asking about it.
* Fans were quick to blame Creator/GeorgeLucas for the infamous fridge nuking scene in ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheKingdomOfTheCrystalSkull''.[[http://www.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20120118154346/http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32315 Steven Spielberg admitted that it was his idea]] (and that he was happy to have brought that silly idea into popular culture), although he did also say that the aliens were Lucas' idea. Years later, though, this was DoubleSubverted when Lucas revealed he did think of the fridge scene, and Spielberg was TakingTheHeat for him.
* Fans were quick to blame Creator/GeorgeLucas for the infamous fridge nuking scene in ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheKingdomOfTheCrystalSkull''.
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** The "Turtles as aliens" rumours. They were eventually revealed to have ''never'' been an official part of the story. The rumour was based on a line which, in context, seemed to indicate that the Ooze, rather than the Turtles, would be alien in origin. [[spoiler:A throwaway line confirmed this to be still true.]]
* Richard Lester gets a lot of flack for the {{camp}}ier tone of ''Film/SupermanII'' as compared to the more serious tone of ''Film/SupermanTheMovie'' (which was directed by Creator/RichardDonner). In fact, given the chaos surrounding the production of ''Superman II'' (including the firing of Donner, Creator/GeneHackman walking out and Creator/MarlonBrando refusing the use of the footage filmed of him), the fact that Richard Lester was able to get a coherent film out at all is worthy of praise. Donner's cut of the film was released on DVD in 2006, but as [[http://www.agonybooth.com/movies/Superman_II_The_Donner_Cut_2006.aspx this review]] shows, it's not as if his version is any less campy. The blame really rests with the producers, Alexander and Ilya Salkind, who insisted on an extremely campy, humorous approach (even moreso than what we ended up getting) similar to the '60s ''Series/{{Batman|1966}}'' series, and replaced Donner because he wouldn't give it to them -- nevermind that his vision for the first film became a critical and financial success despite their wishes.
* Richard Lester gets a lot of flack for the {{camp}}ier tone of ''Film/SupermanII'' as compared to the more serious tone of ''Film/SupermanTheMovie'' (which was directed by Creator/RichardDonner). In fact, given the chaos surrounding the production of ''Superman II'' (including the firing of Donner, Creator/GeneHackman walking out and Creator/MarlonBrando refusing the use of the footage filmed of him), the fact that Richard Lester was able to get a coherent film out at all is worthy of praise. Donner's cut of the film was released on DVD in 2006, but as [[http://www.agonybooth.com/movies/Superman_II_The_Donner_Cut_2006.aspx this review]] shows, it's not as if his version is any less campy. The blame really rests with the producers, Alexander and Ilya Salkind, who insisted on an extremely campy, humorous approach (even moreso than what we ended up getting) similar to the '60s ''Series/{{Batman|1966}}'' series, and replaced Donner because he wouldn't give it to them -- nevermind that his vision for the first film became a critical and financial success despite their wishes.
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** The "Turtles as aliens" rumours. They were eventually revealed to have ''never'' been an official part of the story. The rumour was based on a line which, in context, seemed to indicate that the Ooze, rather than the Turtles, would be alien in origin. [[spoiler:A throwaway line confirmed this to be still be true.]]
*Richard Lester Creator/RichardLester gets a lot of flack for the {{camp}}ier tone of ''Film/SupermanII'' as compared to the more serious tone of ''Film/SupermanTheMovie'' (which was directed by Creator/RichardDonner). In fact, given the chaos surrounding the production of ''Superman II'' (including the firing of Donner, Creator/GeneHackman walking out and Creator/MarlonBrando refusing the use of the footage filmed of him), the fact that Richard Lester was able to get a coherent film out at all is worthy of praise. Donner's cut of the film was released on DVD in 2006, but as [[http://www.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20151004215005/http://www.agonybooth.com/movies/Superman_II_The_Donner_Cut_2006.aspx this review]] shows, it's not as if his version is any less campy. The blame really rests with the producers, Alexander and Ilya Salkind, who insisted on an extremely campy, humorous approach (even moreso than what we ended up getting) similar to the '60s ''Series/{{Batman|1966}}'' series, and replaced Donner because he wouldn't give it to them -- nevermind that his vision for the first film became a critical and financial success despite their wishes.
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* When a VocalMinority of Franchise/{{Batman}} fans decried ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' as a complete disappointment, one of the most common allegations against the film was that the TwistEnding subjected ComicBook/{{Bane}} to embarrassing VillainDecay by turning him into a glorified minion of [[spoiler:ComicBook/TaliaAlGhul]], the real leader of the League of Shadows. While one could make a pretty good case for the twist being unnecessary and distracting, actually watching the film makes it pretty clear that the complaint about Bane being a "minion" simply isn't true. Rather, it's made clear that Bane and [[spoiler:Talia]] have known each other for years, that [[TrueCompanions they're utterly devoted to each other]], and that they owe each other their lives--due to Bane [[HeroicSacrifice allowing himself to be disfigured]] to allow [[spoiler:Talia to escape from prison]], and [[spoiler:Talia]] returning to free him from prison. Even if only one of them can officially lead the League of Shadows, there's genuine love and friendship between them, and Bane is far more than just a servant.
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* When a VocalMinority of Franchise/{{Batman}} fans decried ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' as a complete disappointment, one of the most common allegations against the film was that the TwistEnding subjected ComicBook/{{Bane}} Characters/{{Ba|tmanBane}}ne to embarrassing VillainDecay by turning him into a glorified minion of [[spoiler:ComicBook/TaliaAlGhul]], [[spoiler:[[Characters/BatmanTaliaAlGhul Talia Al-Ghul]]]], the real leader of the League of Shadows. While one could make a pretty good case for the twist being unnecessary and distracting, actually watching the film makes it pretty clear that the complaint about Bane being a "minion" simply isn't true. Rather, it's made clear that Bane and [[spoiler:Talia]] have known each other for years, that [[TrueCompanions they're utterly devoted to each other]], and that they owe each other their lives--due to Bane [[HeroicSacrifice allowing himself to be disfigured]] to allow [[spoiler:Talia to escape from prison]], and [[spoiler:Talia]] returning to free him from prison. Even if only one of them can officially lead the League of Shadows, there's genuine love and friendship between them, and Bane is far more than just a servant.
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* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia:'' The controversial and allegedly sexist ending of [[Literature/TheLastBattle the last book]], in which [[spoiler: Susan doesn't enter Narnia's Heaven with her family]] because she doesn't believe in Narnia any more and only cares about stereotypically feminine things such as make-up, was actually a SequelHook for an eighth book that unfortunately was never made. It would have resolved this issue, as [[spoiler: Susan was intended to come to terms with the loss of her siblings, "find Narnia in her own time" again, and eventually make her way to Heaven to be with them.]]
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* ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia:'' The controversial and allegedly sexist ending of [[Literature/TheLastBattle the last book]], in which [[spoiler: Susan doesn't enter Narnia's Heaven with her family]] because she doesn't believe in Narnia any more and only cares about stereotypically feminine things such as make-up, was actually a SequelHook for an eighth book that unfortunately was never made. It would have resolved this issue, as [[spoiler: Susan was intended to come to terms with the loss of her siblings, "find Narnia in her own time" again, and eventually make her way to Heaven to be with them.]]them]].
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** Similarly, fans tend to blame Saban (the company, not the man) for the terrible live-action ''Manga/SailorMoon'' adaptation that never made it further than a brief promo video, to the point of nicknaming it ''Saban Moon''. This is presumably because Saban is the best-known (and for many fans, the ''only'' known) company that produces and/or adapts {{Tokusatsu}} for Western audiences; the promo was made by Toon Makers, a subsidiary of Toei, the company that owned the rights to ''Sailor Moon'' at the time.
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** Similarly, fans tend to blame Saban (the company, not the man) for the terrible live-action ''Manga/SailorMoon'' adaptation that never made it further than a brief promo video, to the point of nicknaming it ''Saban Moon''. This is presumably because Saban is the best-known (and for many fans, the ''only'' known) company that produces and/or adapts {{Tokusatsu}} {{Toku}}satsu for Western audiences; the promo was made by Toon Makers, a subsidiary of Toei, the company that owned the rights to ''Sailor Moon'' at the time.
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* Creator/AlanAlda often gets blamed for a lot of the StrawmanPolitical regarding ''Series/{{MASH}}''. Series creator Larry Gelbart, however, pointed out more than a few times that the series had been greenlit when no one really knew what it was supposed to be, and Alda was the only one really willing to come forward with any ideas.
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* Creator/AlanAlda often gets blamed for a lot of the StrawmanPolitical [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]] regarding ''Series/{{MASH}}''. Series creator Larry Gelbart, however, pointed out more than a few times that the series had been greenlit when no one really knew what it was supposed to be, and Alda was the only one really willing to come forward with any ideas.
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* For years, Music/YokoOno's been blamed for causing the break-up of Music/TheBeatles, when it's largely clear that internal band tensions (which would be not entirely unreasonable given that the four members of the band had essentially spent almost the entire 1960s pretty much trapped together) and increasingly diverging musical interests and pursuits would have probably done the job sooner or later, no matter who John Lennon decided to get romantically involved with. It is fair to say that her increased presence in the studio was annoying to the other three Beatles, recordings having previously been a 'no girlfriends' zone, and by all accounts she didn't exactly make much of an effort to make friends, none of which exactly helped matters; but even they acknowledge that she probably doesn't deserve all the stick that she gets.
** Not sure about the others, but it's worth noting that as early as 1971, George Harrison said publicly (on the Dick Cavett show) that Yoko was being [=misblamed=], and that the Beatles broke themselves up. Not that it made much difference...
** Not sure about the others, but it's worth noting that as early as 1971, George Harrison said publicly (on the Dick Cavett show) that Yoko was being [=misblamed=], and that the Beatles broke themselves up. Not that it made much difference...
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* For years, Music/YokoOno's been blamed for causing the break-up of Music/TheBeatles, when it's largely clear that internal band tensions (which would be not entirely unreasonable given that the four members of the band had essentially spent almost the entire 1960s pretty much trapped together) and increasingly diverging musical interests and pursuits would have probably done the job sooner or later, no matter who John Lennon Music/JohnLennon decided to get romantically involved with. It is fair to say that her increased presence in the studio was annoying to the other three Beatles, recordings having previously been a 'no girlfriends' zone, and by all accounts she didn't exactly make much of an effort to make friends, none of which exactly helped matters; but even they acknowledge that she probably doesn't deserve all the stick that she gets.
** Not sure about the others, but it's worth noting that as early as 1971,George Harrison Music/GeorgeHarrison said publicly (on the Dick Cavett show) that Yoko was being [=misblamed=], and that the Beatles broke themselves up. Not that it made much difference...
** Not sure about the others, but it's worth noting that as early as 1971,
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** The Beatles also feature an inversion of this trope. Owing to the oft-expressed truism that John Lennon was the "creative" Beatle and Paul [=McCartney=] was the "fluffy" Beatle, people tend to credit all the "deep" and "important" stuff that the Beatles did to Lennon, including ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand''. In fact, from about late-1966 onwards [=McCartney=] was the creative powerhouse of the Beatles, as he was the one coming up with all the ideas; Lennon, although he certainly wrote some fantastic songs during this time, spend most of the period drifting away from the Beatles and getting deeper into drugs, which in general sapped his creative instincts.
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** The Beatles also feature an inversion of this trope. Owing to the oft-expressed truism that John Lennon was the "creative" Beatle and Paul [=McCartney=] Music/PaulMcCartney was the "fluffy" Beatle, people tend to credit all the "deep" and "important" stuff that the Beatles did to Lennon, including ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand''. In fact, from about late-1966 onwards [=McCartney=] was the creative powerhouse of the Beatles, as he was the one coming up with all the ideas; Lennon, although he certainly wrote some fantastic songs during this time, spend most of the period drifting away from the Beatles and getting deeper into drugs, which in general sapped his creative instincts.
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* Rebecca Black's "Music/{{Friday}}" was an autotuned single produced on a budget of a few thousand bucks and was posted on Youtube. It soon went viral, mostly from people pointing and laughing, metaphorically speaking. A certain imgboard began to troll her, including death threats and posting her school schedule online. Yet [[http://gawker.com/#!5783433/the-internet-made-rebecca-black-cry when she went on Good Morning America talking about how hurt she was]], a lot of people blamed her parents and the video production company, instead of ''the people doing the actual trolling''. (Compare to the tone of Gawker's own [[http://tv.gawker.com/#!5781411/is-this-the-worst-music-video-ever earlier]] [[http://gawker.com/#!5783222/whats-4chan-going-to-do-to-rebecca-black posts]], which were much less sympathetic.) Also, she apparently doesn't get to complain because the single is selling very well and she's rich now.
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* Rebecca Black's "Music/{{Friday}}" was an autotuned single produced on a budget of a few thousand bucks and was posted on Youtube. It soon went viral, mostly from people pointing and laughing, metaphorically speaking. A certain imgboard began to troll her, including death threats and posting her school schedule online. Yet [[http://gawker.com/#!5783433/the-internet-made-rebecca-black-cry when she went on Good Morning America talking about how hurt she was]], a lot of people blamed her parents and the video production company, instead of ''the people doing the actual trolling''. (Compare to the tone of Gawker's own [[http://tv.[[https://www.gawker.com/#!5781411/is-this-the-worst-music-video-ever com/5783433/the-internet-made-rebecca-black-cry when she went on Good Morning America talking about how hurt she was]], a lot of people blamed her parents and the video production company, instead of ''the people doing the actual trolling''. (Compare to the tone of Gawker's own [[https://www.gawker.com/5781414/is-this-the-worst-music-video-ever earlier]] [[http://gawker.com/#!5783222/whats-4chan-going-to-do-to-rebecca-black [[https://www.gawker.com/5783222/whats-4chan-going-to-do-to-rebecca-black posts]], which were much less sympathetic.) Also, she apparently doesn't get to complain because the single is selling very well and she's rich now.
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*** The content and rapping style on ''Encore'' has been attributed to Eminem's abuse of Ambien at the time, including by Eminem. However, Eminem writes in his book ''The Way I Am'' that he had been freestyling the material due to an attempt to recapture the humour and spontaneity he had with Music/DrDre while recording ''Music/TheSlimShadyLP'', as well as to push himself to improve as a rapper (particularly because of how much he admires Music/JayZ, who can write entire songs by freestyling). His 2003 material also shows inklings of the stylistic direction he'd adopt on ''Encore'', particularly his three ''Invasion'' freestyles which show him beginning to incorporate crunk and snap influences in his delivery, a fake Southern accent, and [[ToiletHumor belching]], all recorded at a time when he was still on probation and facing regular drug tests that prevented him from being able to abuse medication. While it's obvious Eminem's Ambien addiction was a factor on the lowered technical ability on the album, the audible slur in his voice and the [[{{Wangst}} woe-is-me]] content, ''Encore'' ended up the way it did due to purposeful artistic decisions that were ''not'' all the fault of the zolpidem clogging up his brain.
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*** The content and rapping style on ''Encore'' has been attributed to Eminem's abuse of Ambien at the time, including by Eminem. However, Eminem writes in his book ''The Way I Am'' that he had been freestyling the material due to an attempt to recapture the humour and spontaneity he had with Music/DrDre while recording ''Music/TheSlimShadyLP'', as well as to push himself to improve as a rapper (particularly because of how much he admires Music/JayZ, who can write entire songs by freestyling). His 2003 material also shows inklings of the stylistic direction he'd adopt on ''Encore'', particularly his three ''Invasion'' freestyles which show him beginning to incorporate crunk and snap influences in his delivery, a fake Southern accent, and [[ToiletHumor [[ToiletHumour belching]], all recorded at a time when he was still on probation and facing regular drug tests that prevented him from being able to abuse medication. While it's obvious Eminem's Ambien addiction was a factor on the lowered technical ability on the album, the audible slur in his voice and the [[{{Wangst}} woe-is-me]] content, ''Encore'' ended up the way it did due to purposeful artistic decisions that were ''not'' all the fault of the zolpidem clogging up his brain.
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* People tend to blame [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon Vince [=McMahon=]]] (Jr) for everything bad in the WWE; while it is true that he has final say on what goes on TV a lot of the more controversial angles where others were the idea of other people working for the company (for example, the infamous Katie Vick angle was the brainchild of executive producer Kevin Dunn, though Vince has defended it pretty strongly and gladly taken "responsibility" for it in interviews, confusing the issue).
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* People tend to blame [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon Vince [=McMahon=]]] Wrestling/VinceMcMahon (Jr) for everything bad in the WWE; while it is true that he has final say on what goes on TV a lot of the more controversial angles where others were the idea of other people working for the company (for example, the infamous Katie Vick angle was the brainchild of executive producer Kevin Dunn, though Vince has defended it pretty strongly and gladly taken "responsibility" for it in interviews, confusing the issue).
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** Many critics also don't consider just how much responsibility the TV networks and sponsers have, since Vince pretty much has to answer to them. This is particularly true for everyone who complains about WWE's more sanitized, PG-rated, predictable programming nowadays; given that a lot of the more controversial stuff that DID get on the air in the late 90s was always getting Vince in hot water with studio heads (USA president Kay Koplovitz threatened to kick Raw off the air on a standards & practices violation after the infamous "Pillman's Got a Gun" episode), it's not unreasonable to suggest any choices to not take chances today is to appease those who ultimately decide if WWE is allowed to be on the air at all.
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** Many critics also don't consider just how much responsibility the TV networks and sponsers sponsors have, since Vince pretty much has to answer to them. This is particularly true for everyone who complains about WWE's more sanitized, PG-rated, predictable programming nowadays; given that a lot of the more controversial stuff that DID get on the air in the late 90s was always getting Vince in hot water with studio heads (USA president Kay Koplovitz threatened to kick Raw off the air on a standards & practices violation after the infamous "Pillman's Got a Gun" episode), it's not unreasonable to suggest any choices to not take chances today is to appease those who ultimately decide if WWE is allowed to be on the air at all.
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** Wrestling/EricBischoff has said in multiple places (like Wrestling/RicFlair's podcast and Conrad Thompson's 83 Weeks podcast) that '''he''' booked the controversial Starrcade 1997 finish. Bischoff is adamant that Hogan lobbied for the original finish to put Sting over clean because of the year-plus that had been put into the build. But when Sting showed up on the day of the event, he was pale, out of shape and unenthusiastic (Sting was struggling with substance abuse and marital problems unbeknownst to Bischoff at that time and had not wrestled an actual match in over a year), which caused Hogan and Bischoff to doubt Sting's work efhic. Bischoff shortened the match and changed the finish a few hours before showtime. As for the pacing of the count, Nick Patrick said in several interviews (including 83 Weeks) that he was initially told by both Bischoff and Hogan to do a regular count, but Sting later told him to do the fast count. Unsure of what to do, Patrick panicked and did a regular count.
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** Wrestling/EricBischoff has said in multiple places (like Wrestling/RicFlair's podcast and Conrad Thompson's 83 Weeks podcast) that '''he''' booked the controversial Starrcade 1997 finish. Bischoff is adamant that Hogan lobbied for the original finish to put Sting over clean because of the year-plus that had been put into the build. But when Sting showed up on the day of the event, he was pale, out of shape and unenthusiastic (Sting was struggling with substance abuse and marital problems unbeknownst to Bischoff at that time and had not wrestled an actual match in over a year), which caused Hogan and Bischoff to doubt Sting's work efhic.ethic. Bischoff shortened the match and changed the finish a few hours before showtime. As for the pacing of the count, Nick Patrick said in several interviews (including 83 Weeks) that he was initially told by both Bischoff and Hogan to do a regular count, but Sting later told him to do the fast count. Unsure of what to do, Patrick panicked and did a regular count.
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* Hulk Hogan's can also apply Wrestling/TripleH starting from 2002 onwards, especially due to his longtime relationship with Wrestling/StephanieMcMahon, holding back smark favorites like Wrestling/EvanBourne, [[Wrestling/TheWorldsGreatestTagTeam Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin]]. Of course, this often avoids factors like [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin "Stone Cold" Steve Austin]]'s retirement from wrestling and [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]] becoming [[Creator/DwayneJohnson an actor]] depleting WWE's main event talent until guys like Wrestling/JohnCena and Wrestling/{{Batista}} were ready. Or that Vince [=McMahon=] has always favored not only the larger wrestlers but the ones who can exude the most over-the-top personality even before Triple H was in WWE.
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* Hulk Hogan's can also apply Wrestling/TripleH starting from 2002 onwards, especially due to his longtime relationship with Wrestling/StephanieMcMahon, holding back smark favorites like Wrestling/EvanBourne, [[Wrestling/TheWorldsGreatestTagTeam Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin]]. Of course, this often avoids factors like [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin "Stone Cold" Steve Austin]]'s Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin's retirement from wrestling and [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]] becoming [[Creator/DwayneJohnson an actor]] depleting WWE's main event talent until guys like Wrestling/JohnCena and Wrestling/{{Batista}} were ready. Or that Vince [=McMahon=] has always favored not only the larger wrestlers but the ones who can exude the most over-the-top personality even before Triple H was in WWE.
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-->'''Ben Drieth''': There's a personal foul, on number 99[[note]]Gastineau; Lyons wore 93[[/note]] of the defense; after he tackled the quarterback, he's ''giving him the business'' down there. That's a 15-yard penalty.
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* Watching ESPN's documentary, ''[[https://30for30.espn.com/film/small-potatoes-who-killed-the-usfl.html Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL?]]'' the answer to the titular question would seem to be "Creator/DonaldTrump". While Trump, as owner of the New Jersey Generals, started a bidding war with the NFL over college players (one that most USFL owners didn't have the resources to compete in), the real downfall of the league -- the disastrous decision to move from spring to fall and compete directly with the NFL -- couldn't have been done without a consensus of owners going along with Trump. Much like the Vince Russo entries above, it's unfair to say he single-handedly destroyed the league. Though Trump doesn't help his own cause by defending everything he did as "the right thing to do" and accepting none of the blame for the USFL's swift and epic collapse.
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* Watching ESPN's documentary, ''[[https://30for30.espn.com/film/small-potatoes-who-killed-the-usfl.html Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL?]]'' the answer to the titular question would seem to be "Creator/DonaldTrump"."UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump". While Trump, as owner of the New Jersey Generals, started a bidding war with the NFL over college players (one that most USFL owners didn't have the resources to compete in), the real downfall of the league -- the disastrous decision to move from spring to fall and compete directly with the NFL -- couldn't have been done without a consensus of owners going along with Trump. Much like the Vince Russo entries above, it's unfair to say he single-handedly destroyed the league. Though Trump doesn't help his own cause by defending everything he did as "the right thing to do" and accepting none of the blame for the USFL's swift and epic collapse.
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* While Americans have not taken UsefulNotes/AssociationFootball as a spectator sport well, they are often blamed for creating the word soccer, an alternative word for the sport which is a colloquial abbreviation of association (from assoc.). However, the word was actually coined by Charles Wreford Brown, an Oxford student (in England) said to have been fond of shortened forms such as "brekkers" for breakfast and "rugger" for rugby football, and back in the day, it was used by rich folk to distinguish Association Football from Rugby. When the sport arrived in the U.S. in the late 19th century, it was called Association Football (and was surprisingly quite a popular sport at the time) until after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, mainly due to the popularity of UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball, and the word soccer was adopted to differentiate with the two footballs. However since then, soccer in the US [[PopularityPolynomial would fall into obscurity for a brief period of time,]] due in thanks to "[[http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/roger-allaway/2010/10/25/what-was-the-quot-soccer-war-quot/ soccer war]]" between the country's major league organization and FIFA. This sport's naming has also reigned true in some other countries like Canada, the Caribbean, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand; who have adopted or invented another football code, either as their "main" football or alongside Association Football. However, the British have since grown to hate this word, and have been hell-bent on lambasting the U.S. for it, never minding that the word came from the same place the modern rules of the game were made, the latter fact the British embrace and the former fact the British will often deny.
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* While Americans have not taken UsefulNotes/AssociationFootball as a spectator sport well, they are often blamed for creating the word soccer, an alternative word for the sport which is a colloquial abbreviation of association (from assoc.). However, the word was actually coined by Charles Wreford Brown, an Oxford student (in England) said to have been fond of shortened forms such as "brekkers" for breakfast and "rugger" for rugby football, and back in the day, it was used by rich folk to distinguish Association Football from Rugby. When the sport arrived in the U.S. in the late 19th century, it was called Association Football (and was surprisingly quite a popular sport at the time) until after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, mainly due to the popularity of UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball, and the word soccer was adopted to differentiate with the two footballs. However since then, soccer in the US [[PopularityPolynomial would fall into obscurity for a brief period of time,]] due in thanks to "[[http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/roger-allaway/2010/10/25/what-was-the-quot-soccer-war-quot/ soccer war]]" "soccer war" between the country's major league organization and FIFA. This sport's naming has also reigned true in some other countries like Canada, the Caribbean, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand; who have adopted or invented another football code, either as their "main" football or alongside Association Football. However, the British have since grown to hate this word, and have been hell-bent on lambasting the U.S. for it, never minding that the word came from the same place the modern rules of the game were made, the latter fact the British embrace and the former fact the British will often deny.
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* In his commentary for the [[WebVideo/TGWTGYearOneBrawl TGWTG Brawl]], Doug Walker wasn't exactly happy with fan dumb calling him a misogynist for showing a pillow fight between WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick and Little Miss Gamer, explaining that Lindsay had been the one to come up with it, not him. [[note]] He wasn't angry at Lindsay, just the concern trolls.[[/note]] Same went for Creator/NoahAntwiler and his commentary for the first "Spooning With Spoony".
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* In his commentary for the [[WebVideo/TGWTGYearOneBrawl TGWTG Brawl]], Doug Walker Creator/DougWalker wasn't exactly happy with fan dumb calling him a misogynist for showing a pillow fight between WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick and Little Miss Gamer, explaining that Lindsay Creator/{{Lindsay|Ellis}} had been the one to come up with it, not him. [[note]] He wasn't angry at Lindsay, just the concern trolls.[[/note]] Same went for Creator/NoahAntwiler and his commentary for the first "Spooning With Spoony".
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** A lot of people [[XPacHeat attack]] Creator/AllisonPregler for allegedly kicking [[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Spoony]] off of Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses. This is in [[HateDumb spite of the fact]] that Spoony [[WordOfGod himself]] has said that Lupa [[http://www.twitlonger.com/show/i6dop4 did not]] [[http://spoonyexperiment.com/2012/09/15/to-boldly-flee-part-1-spoony-commentary/ get him fired]] and that he chose to leave himself.
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** A lot of people [[XPacHeat attack]] Creator/AllisonPregler for allegedly kicking [[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Spoony]] off of Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.Website/ChannelAwesome. This is in [[HateDumb spite of the fact]] that Spoony [[WordOfGod himself]] has said that Lupa [[http://www.twitlonger.com/show/i6dop4 did not]] [[http://spoonyexperiment.com/2012/09/15/to-boldly-flee-part-1-spoony-commentary/ get him fired]] and that he chose to leave himself.
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* WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic often ends up blaming movies for elements that originated from the works they were based on. Case in point, the purple suit worn by Film/{{The Phantom|1996}}, as well as his nickname "The Ghost Who Walks".
** On that note, Rachel and Malcolm are often blamed for things people don't like about the new Nostalgia Critic episodes, even though they have far less creative control than previously and they've said they just show up and get told what to do.
** On that note, Rachel and Malcolm are often blamed for things people don't like about the new Nostalgia Critic episodes, even though they have far less creative control than previously and they've said they just show up and get told what to do.
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* WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic often ends up blaming movies for elements that originated from the works they were based on. Case in point, the purple suit worn by Film/{{The Phantom|1996}}, as well as his nickname "The Ghost Who Walks".
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* PlayedForLaughs with "[[MemeticMutation Thanks Obama]]", where you basically would blame [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama the man]] for things that were absolute [[FirstWorldProblems non-issues]], could not even reasonably be considered the man's fault, or for things that happened before he was in politics ''or even born''. Or any combination thereof. Things like your Oreo breaking off in your glass of milk, your toast getting stuck in the toaster, not being able to find a decent place to eat tonight, or things like UsefulNotes/WorldWar2, or the extinction of the dinosaurs. The list goes on. It hit a point where Obama ''himself'' referenced it in a Buzzfeed video.
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* PlayedForLaughs with "[[MemeticMutation Thanks Obama]]", where you basically would blame [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama the man]] for things that were absolute [[FirstWorldProblems non-issues]], could not even reasonably be considered the man's fault, or for things that happened before he was in politics ''or even born''. Or any combination thereof. Things like your Oreo breaking off in your glass of milk, your toast getting stuck in the toaster, not being able to find a decent place to eat tonight, or things like UsefulNotes/WorldWar2, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, or the extinction of the dinosaurs. The list goes on. It hit a point where Obama ''himself'' referenced it in a Buzzfeed video.
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** Due to the turbulent status of the franchise in early 2018, it became increasingly common for many to state that Disney only {{uncancelled}} ''The Clone Wars'' in order to bring an end to the controversies. However, given that most of those controversies were just a few months old, animation (especially as visually appealing as ''The Clone Wars'') takes a ''[[ProductionLeadTime long]]'' time to make, and the teaser clearly had fully animated segments, it had to have been in the works well before that.
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** Due to the turbulent status of the franchise in early 2018, it became increasingly common for many to state that Disney only {{uncancelled}} UnCanceled ''The Clone Wars'' in order to bring an end to the controversies. However, given that most of those controversies were just a few months old, animation (especially as visually appealing as ''The Clone Wars'') takes a ''[[ProductionLeadTime long]]'' time to make, and the teaser clearly had fully animated segments, it had to have been in the works well before that.
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* For whatever reason, when the 1999 unaired PilotEpisode of ''WesternAnimation/AsToldByGinger'' made its way online, many fans mistook it for an attempt to reboot the series. This caused people to cry racism because the "new" Miranda was shown as being a brown-haired Caucasian (as opposed to being black in the series). For the record, Miranda's race was changed for the final show to invoke ActorSharedBackground with her VA, Cree Summer.
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* For whatever reason, when the 1999 unaired PilotEpisode {{pilot}} of ''WesternAnimation/AsToldByGinger'' made its way online, many fans mistook it for an attempt to reboot the series. This caused people to cry racism because the "new" Miranda was shown as being a brown-haired Caucasian (as opposed to being black in the series). For the record, Miranda's race was changed for the final show to invoke ActorSharedBackground with her VA, Cree Summer.
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** Likewise, the network's former president Christina Miller is often blamed for the channel focusing on [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo more]] [[WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball comedic]] [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 cartoons]] rather than airing more action-oriented stuff. Some viewers even accused her of being a MoralGuardian who [[ScrewedByTheNetwork actively sabotages shows]] that are even ''slightly'' action-based just because they aren't what she thinks the viewing audience wants. In reality, action-based shows were [[OlderThanTheyThink already in decline]] on the network well before Miller took the helm, with examples including ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'', ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats2011'', ''WesternAnimation/SymBionicTitan'' and ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'', all of which were cancelled in the years prior to Miller's arrival. While Miller has certainly continued the network's trend towards comedy, she cannot be blamed for starting it.
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** Likewise, the network's former president Christina Miller is often blamed for the channel focusing on [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo more]] [[WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball comedic]] [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 cartoons]] rather than airing more action-oriented stuff. Some viewers even accused her of being a MoralGuardian who [[ScrewedByTheNetwork actively sabotages shows]] that are even ''slightly'' action-based just because they aren't what she thinks the viewing audience wants. In reality, action-based shows were [[OlderThanTheyThink already in decline]] on the network well before Miller took the helm, with examples including ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'', ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats2011'', ''WesternAnimation/Thundercats2011'', ''WesternAnimation/SymBionicTitan'' and ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'', all of which were cancelled in the years prior to Miller's arrival. While Miller has certainly continued the network's trend towards comedy, she cannot be blamed for starting it.
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* It's usually held that the mature content in ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpyAdultPartyCartoon'' was the result of John Kricfalusi's ProtectionFromEditors. Given John K's departure from the original series was partly over Nickelodeon's censorship policies, it's an easy assumption to make, but according to Kricfalusi himself it was [[ExecutiveMeddling forced on him by higher-ups at Spike TV]]. Whether or not that's the full story is hotly disputed ([[NeverMyFault this is John K., after all]]), but the charge is at least supported by the fact that Spike also wanted to give the same "adult" treatment to ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants''.
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* It's usually held that the mature content in ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpyAdultPartyCartoon'' was the result of John Kricfalusi's ProtectionFromEditors. Given John K's departure from the original series was partly over Nickelodeon's censorship policies, it's an easy assumption to make, but according to Kricfalusi himself it was [[ExecutiveMeddling forced on him by higher-ups at Spike TV]]. Whether or not that's the full story is hotly disputed ([[NeverMyFault this is John K., after all]]), but the charge is at least supported by the fact that Spike also wanted to give the same "adult" treatment to ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants''.''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants''.
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* Due to Disney's history with Creator/GregWeisman related shows (''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{WITCH}}''), many fans blame Disney for cancelling ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan''. However, it was more a case of ScrewedByTheLawyers. Due to Disney's acquisition of Marvel, Sony gave away their TV rights to the franchise in order to keep making Spider-Man movies. Since Sony still owned ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', it would've forced Marvel to pay to continue the series.
* Many ''Westernanimation/{{Doug}}'' fans claim that "Disney ruined ''Doug''" when they bought the rights to the show and un-cancelled it. In fact, buying ''Doug'' (and slapping their name on it) was the only thing they did to the show. Creator Jim Jinkens made all the changes himself.
* Many ''Westernanimation/{{Doug}}'' fans claim that "Disney ruined ''Doug''" when they bought the rights to the show and un-cancelled it. In fact, buying ''Doug'' (and slapping their name on it) was the only thing they did to the show. Creator Jim Jinkens made all the changes himself.
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* Due to Disney's history with Creator/GregWeisman related shows (''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{WITCH}}''), many fans blame Disney for cancelling ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan''.''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderman''. However, it was more a case of ScrewedByTheLawyers. Due to Disney's acquisition of Marvel, Sony gave away their TV rights to the franchise in order to keep making Spider-Man movies. Since Sony still owned ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderman'', it would've forced Marvel to pay to continue the series.
* Many ''Westernanimation/{{Doug}}'' fans claim that "Disney ruined ''Doug''" when they bought the rights to the show andun-cancelled un-canceled it. In fact, buying ''Doug'' (and slapping their name on it) was the only thing they did to the show. Creator Jim Jinkens made all the changes himself.
* Many ''Westernanimation/{{Doug}}'' fans claim that "Disney ruined ''Doug''" when they bought the rights to the show and
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** Matt Groening gets next to none of the blame for the show's decline, but he probably deserves more: Some of the big complaints about the last 15 or so seasons are {{Flanderization}}, [[{{Anvilicious}} blunt]] political commentary, and the show increasingly resembling ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' and ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''. Incidentally, these are also some of the main complaints about the UnCancelled seasons of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', which has little in common with modern-day ''Simpsons'' apart from having Groening at the helm.
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** Matt Groening Creator/MattGroening gets next to none of the blame for the show's decline, but he probably deserves more: Some of the big complaints about the last 15 or so seasons are {{Flanderization}}, [[{{Anvilicious}} blunt]] political commentary, and the show increasingly resembling ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' and ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''. Incidentally, these are also some of the main complaints about the UnCancelled UnCanceled seasons of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', which has little in common with modern-day ''Simpsons'' apart from having Groening at the helm.
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* Some ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' fans blamed co-creator Glen Murakami for doing ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo''. In fact, though he is credited as associate producer for said show, he has no major involvement in the show and that Aaron Horvath is the creative force behind the series.
* "''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime Prime]]'' killed ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]''" is a common complaint of those who preferred the organic traditional animation to the more [[Film/TransformersFilmSeries Movie]] accurate CGI of Prime. This isn't ''completely'' true. Hasbro gave Cartoon Network the option to continue using the license to produce ''Animated'', while they would go on to produce ''Prime'' for their new cable channel, Creator/TheHub. Cartoon Network decided to end the show independently, as there was no incentive to continuing the show if Hasbro would be pulling all funding and ending the toyline, and ''Animated'' would still manage to have a finale.
* In the late 1990s and early 2000s, many people blamed ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' for the fact that ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' were cancelled, when in reality ''Ren and Stimpy'' was cancelled because of low ratings after the creator's firing and ''Rocko's Modern Life'' was cancelled because Nickelodeon thought that Joe Murray wanted to end his show.
* "''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime Prime]]'' killed ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]''" is a common complaint of those who preferred the organic traditional animation to the more [[Film/TransformersFilmSeries Movie]] accurate CGI of Prime. This isn't ''completely'' true. Hasbro gave Cartoon Network the option to continue using the license to produce ''Animated'', while they would go on to produce ''Prime'' for their new cable channel, Creator/TheHub. Cartoon Network decided to end the show independently, as there was no incentive to continuing the show if Hasbro would be pulling all funding and ending the toyline, and ''Animated'' would still manage to have a finale.
* In the late 1990s and early 2000s, many people blamed ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' for the fact that ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' were cancelled, when in reality ''Ren and Stimpy'' was cancelled because of low ratings after the creator's firing and ''Rocko's Modern Life'' was cancelled because Nickelodeon thought that Joe Murray wanted to end his show.
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* Some ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003'' fans blamed co-creator Glen Murakami for doing ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo''. In fact, though he is credited as associate producer for said show, he has no major involvement in the show and that Aaron Horvath is the creative force behind the series.
* "''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime Prime]]'' killed ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]''" is a common complaint of those who preferred the organic traditional animation to the more [[Film/TransformersFilmSeries Movie]] accurate CGI of Prime. This isn't ''completely'' true. Hasbro gave Cartoon Network the option to continue using the license to produce ''Animated'', while they would go on to produce ''Prime'' for their new cable channel,Creator/TheHub.[[Creator/DiscoveryFamily The Hub]]. Cartoon Network decided to end the show independently, as there was no incentive to continuing the show if Hasbro would be pulling all funding and ending the toyline, and ''Animated'' would still manage to have a finale.
* In the late 1990s and early 2000s, many people blamed ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' for the fact that ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' were cancelled, when in reality ''Ren and Stimpy'' was cancelled because of low ratings after the creator's firing and ''Rocko's Modern Life'' was cancelled because Nickelodeon thought thatJoe Murray Creator/JoeMurray wanted to end his show.
* "''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime Prime]]'' killed ''[[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated]]''" is a common complaint of those who preferred the organic traditional animation to the more [[Film/TransformersFilmSeries Movie]] accurate CGI of Prime. This isn't ''completely'' true. Hasbro gave Cartoon Network the option to continue using the license to produce ''Animated'', while they would go on to produce ''Prime'' for their new cable channel,
* In the late 1990s and early 2000s, many people blamed ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' for the fact that ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' were cancelled, when in reality ''Ren and Stimpy'' was cancelled because of low ratings after the creator's firing and ''Rocko's Modern Life'' was cancelled because Nickelodeon thought that
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** [[ZigZaggedTrope Zigzagged with regards to the finale]]. Fans blamed Nickelodeon for the ambiguity of the final scene, which shows [[spoiler:Korra and Asami going on a private vacation in the Spirit World, all-but-explicitly a couple]]. Many blamed Nick for the ambiguity of it, and assumed that Bryke had to sneak it in without the studio's knowledge, but after Bryke confirmed the [[spoiler:Korrasami Ship]] online they mentioned that the Studio was supportive of the idea, though due to their Standards and Practices would only allow so much to be shown. So the studio is the reason for the ambiguity, but the scene was done with them fully knowing what was being expressed.
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** [[ZigZaggedTrope [[ZigZaggingTrope Zigzagged with regards to the finale]]. Fans blamed Nickelodeon for the ambiguity of the final scene, which shows [[spoiler:Korra and Asami going on a private vacation in the Spirit World, all-but-explicitly a couple]]. Many blamed Nick for the ambiguity of it, and assumed that Bryke had to sneak it in without the studio's knowledge, but after Bryke confirmed the [[spoiler:Korrasami Ship]] online they mentioned that the Studio was supportive of the idea, though due to their Standards and Practices would only allow so much to be shown. So the studio is the reason for the ambiguity, but the scene was done with them fully knowing what was being expressed.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' is often blamed as the main reason for Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s decline in the late-2000s. In actuality, Nick would often [[ScrewedByTheNetwork refuse]] to give other shows a proper chance regardless, with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' likely having nothing to do with any other show's chances. Also, anyone involved with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' doesn't work in Nickelodeon's scheduling department, and would probably be receptive to their programmers actually having a schedule with various programs throughout the day rather than Ctrl+V'ing ''[=SpongeBob=]'' throughout the broadcast day.
** The same can be said about Creator/CartoonNetwork and ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo''. In particular, ''Teen Titans Go'' is often blamed for causing ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' and ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'' to end, even though both of those series were deliberately ended by their creators.
** The same can be said about Creator/CartoonNetwork and ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo''. In particular, ''Teen Titans Go'' is often blamed for causing ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' and ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'' to end, even though both of those series were deliberately ended by their creators.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' is often blamed as the main reason for Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s decline in the late-2000s. In actuality, Nick would often [[ScrewedByTheNetwork refuse]] to give other shows a proper chance regardless, with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' likely having nothing to do with any other show's chances. Also, anyone involved with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' doesn't work in Nickelodeon's scheduling department, and would probably be receptive to their programmers actually having a schedule with various programs throughout the day rather than Ctrl+V'ing ''[=SpongeBob=]'' throughout the broadcast day.
**day. The same can be said about Creator/CartoonNetwork and ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo''. In particular, ''Teen Titans Go'' is often blamed for causing ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' and ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'' to end, even though both of those series were deliberately ended by their creators.
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** The show's massive hatedom sometimes use it as proof that [[HitlerAteSugar all Canadian animation is horrible]]. What many people forget is that creator Scott Fellows, Creator/JamesArnoldTaylor (Johnny's voice actor), and most of the show's production crew, are Americans. In fact, Creator/WarnerBrosAnimation produced the early seasons while the later seasons were made in association with both Creator/CartoonNetwork ''and'' Creator/{{Teletoon}}.
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** The show's massive hatedom sometimes use it as proof that [[HitlerAteSugar all Canadian animation is horrible]]. What many people forget is that creator Scott Fellows, Creator/JamesArnoldTaylor (Johnny's voice actor), and most of the show's production crew, are Americans. In fact, Creator/WarnerBrosAnimation produced the early seasons while the later seasons were made in association with both Creator/CartoonNetwork Cartoon Network ''and'' Creator/{{Teletoon}}.
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* Music/BlackFlag fans tend to be [[BrokenBase divided]] over the more experimental, heavy metal influenced direction the band started heading in after ''Damaged''. Those who don't like this period sometimes blame Music/HenryRollins for the change (or at least the "heavy metal" aspect of it). While Rollins was the FaceOfTheBand at the time and contributed to the songwriting process, founding member Greg Ginn was still writing most of the band's music, and he was mainly the one behind their change in direction. In fact he said part of the reason Rollins was hired as a singer was because he wasn't solely interested in singing HardcorePunk songs. That said, Ginn ''did'' lament that ever since Rollins joined they had to consistently [[DarkerAndEdgier keep things dark and edgy]] lyrically.
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* Music/BlackFlag fans tend to be [[BrokenBase divided]] over the more experimental, heavy metal influenced direction the band started heading in after ''Damaged''. Those who don't like this period sometimes blame Music/HenryRollins for the change (or at least the "heavy metal" aspect of it). While Rollins was the FaceOfTheBand band's front man at the time and contributed to the songwriting process, founding member Greg Ginn was still writing most of the band's music, and he was mainly the one behind their change in direction. In fact he said part of the reason Rollins was hired as a singer was because he wasn't solely interested in singing HardcorePunk songs. That said, Ginn ''did'' lament that ever since Rollins joined they had to consistently [[DarkerAndEdgier keep things dark and edgy]] lyrically.
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** Portman and both actors who played Anakin had a very poor script to work with, and Lucas insisted on an overly-melodramatic acting style to mimic old 30s and 40s adventure serials. There's a behind-the-scenes clip of Hayden Christensen doing an excellent line read, only to have George come in and coach him to do it again in a more drab and stilted manner.
** Creator/JJAbrams gets slammed for the decision to [[spoiler:kill off Han Solo]] in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' even though Creator/HarrisonFord has been pushing for that exact thing to happen since ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' (that is to say, ''35 years'' before Abrams's film was released). More generally, pretty much every single detail in the script that can possibly be perceived as a flaw tends to get dumped on Abrams, which completely ignores the fact that he co-wrote the movie with Lawrence Kasdan and Michael Arndt.
** Creator/RianJohnson gets a lot of flak for Luke Skywalker having exiled himself during ''Film/TheLastJedi'', but that idea was first proposed by '''Creator/GeorgeLucas''' in his initial treatment for the sequel trilogy, not to mention that it was established in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' (which Johnson had no involvement with).
** Creator/JJAbrams gets slammed for the decision to [[spoiler:kill off Han Solo]] in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' even though Creator/HarrisonFord has been pushing for that exact thing to happen since ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' (that is to say, ''35 years'' before Abrams's film was released). More generally, pretty much every single detail in the script that can possibly be perceived as a flaw tends to get dumped on Abrams, which completely ignores the fact that he co-wrote the movie with Lawrence Kasdan and Michael Arndt.
** Creator/RianJohnson gets a lot of flak for Luke Skywalker having exiled himself during ''Film/TheLastJedi'', but that idea was first proposed by '''Creator/GeorgeLucas''' in his initial treatment for the sequel trilogy, not to mention that it was established in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' (which Johnson had no involvement with).
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** Portman and both actors who played Anakin had a very poor script scripts to work with, and Lucas insisted on an overly-melodramatic overly melodramatic acting style to mimic old 30s '30s and 40s '40s adventure serials. There's a behind-the-scenes clip of Hayden Christensen Creator/HaydenChristensen doing an excellent line read, only to have George come in and coach him to do it again in a more drab and stilted manner.
** Creator/JJAbrams gets slammed for the decision to [[spoiler:kill off Han Solo]] in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' even though Creator/HarrisonFordhas had been pushing for that exact thing to happen since ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' (that is to say, ''35 years'' before Abrams's film was released). More generally, pretty much every single detail in the script that can possibly be perceived as a flaw tends to get dumped on Abrams, which completely ignores the fact that he co-wrote the movie with Lawrence Kasdan and Michael Arndt.
** Creator/RianJohnson gets a lot of flak for Luke Skywalker having exiled himself during ''Film/TheLastJedi'', but that idea was first proposed by '''Creator/GeorgeLucas''' in his initial treatment for the sequel trilogy, not to mention that it was established in''Film/TheForceAwakens'' ''The Force Awakens'' (which Johnson had no involvement with).
** Creator/JJAbrams gets slammed for the decision to [[spoiler:kill off Han Solo]] in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' even though Creator/HarrisonFord
** Creator/RianJohnson gets a lot of flak for Luke Skywalker having exiled himself during ''Film/TheLastJedi'', but that idea was first proposed by '''Creator/GeorgeLucas''' in his initial treatment for the sequel trilogy, not to mention that it was established in
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** The [[TheScrappy thoroughly reviled]] Jar Jar Binks (arguably the single most unpopular part of the prequel trilogy) gets criticized for an awful lot of reasons, but one of the most common criticisms of the character is that his thick faux-Caribbean accent makes him [[SpaceJews an insulting caricature of African-Americans]]. While George Lucas may have come up with the general concept of a non-human PluckyComicRelief character, several behind-the-scenes accounts have claimed that the accent wasn't actually his idea. In fact, Jar Jar's actor Ahmed Best (who actually ''is'' African-American, and of partial Caribbean ancestry) has actually claimed that [[ThrowItIn he came up with it himself]] while experimenting with different voices in pre-production, and that he got the idea while imitating his Jamaican uncle.
* Creator/MichaelBay and the screenwriters of ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'' may be guilty of many crimes against art, but they did not, as the [[http://www.agonybooth.com/movies/Transformers__Revenge_of_the_Fallen_2009.aspx Agony Booth review]] accuses, feel the need to "make up a new character like the Fallen instead of using someone (or something) established like Unicron." The Fallen was a pre-existing character, taken from the comics. (The review was later corrected.)
* Creator/MichaelBay and the screenwriters of ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'' may be guilty of many crimes against art, but they did not, as the [[http://www.agonybooth.com/movies/Transformers__Revenge_of_the_Fallen_2009.aspx Agony Booth review]] accuses, feel the need to "make up a new character like the Fallen instead of using someone (or something) established like Unicron." The Fallen was a pre-existing character, taken from the comics. (The review was later corrected.)
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** The [[TheScrappy thoroughly reviled]] Jar Jar Binks (arguably the single most unpopular part of the prequel trilogy) gets criticized for an awful lot of reasons, but one of the most common criticisms of the character is that his thick faux-Caribbean accent makes him [[SpaceJews an insulting caricature of African-Americans]]. While George Lucas may have come up with the general concept of a non-human PluckyComicRelief character, several behind-the-scenes accounts have claimed that the accent wasn't actually his idea. In fact, Jar Jar's actor Ahmed Best (who actually ''is'' African-American, and of partial Caribbean ancestry) has actually claimed that [[ThrowItIn he came up with it himself]] while experimenting with different voices in pre-production, and that he got the idea while imitating his Jamaican uncle.
* Creator/MichaelBay and the screenwriters of ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'' may be guilty of many crimes against art, but they did not, as the [[http://www.agonybooth.com/movies/Transformers__Revenge_of_the_Fallen_2009.aspx Agony Boothreview]] recap]] accuses, feel the need to "make up a new character like the Fallen instead of using someone (or something) established like Unicron." The Fallen was a pre-existing character, taken from the comics. (The review was later corrected.)
* Creator/MichaelBay and the screenwriters of ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'' may be guilty of many crimes against art, but they did not, as the [[http://www.agonybooth.com/movies/Transformers__Revenge_of_the_Fallen_2009.aspx Agony Booth
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* Creator/MNightShyamalan is certainly not blameless in the overall quality of ''Film/TheLastAirbender'' but a lot of the issues with the film came from above his pay grade.
** Creator/{{Paramount}} didn’t want to wait a year to let the show wrap up so there was a fair amount of writing in the dark. His original script that was thrown out is reported to more or less have stuck plot by plot to the show. The ghostwriter of the final script accidentally backed them into a huge corner plot wise for the rest of the series. Specifically Aang running away because he was told the avatar couldn’t have kids. Zuko’s whole character arc depends on him being the direct descendant of an avatar.
** Creator/{{Paramount}} didn’t want to wait a year to let the show wrap up so there was a fair amount of writing in the dark. His original script that was thrown out is reported to more or less have stuck plot by plot to the show. The ghostwriter of the final script accidentally backed them into a huge corner plot wise for the rest of the series. Specifically Aang running away because he was told the avatar couldn’t have kids. Zuko’s whole character arc depends on him being the direct descendant of an avatar.
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* Creator/MNightShyamalan is certainly not blameless in the overall quality of ''Film/TheLastAirbender'' ''Film/TheLastAirbender'', but a lot of the issues with the film came from above his pay grade.
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** Creator/{{Paramount}} didn’t want to wait a year to let the show wrap up so there was a fair amount of writing in the dark. His original script that was thrown out is reported to more or less have stuck plot by plot to the show. The ghostwriter of the final script accidentally backed them into a huge corner plot wise for the rest of the series. Specifically Aang running away because he was told theavatar Avatar couldn’t have kids. Zuko’s whole character arc depends on him being the direct descendant of an avatar. Avatar.
** Creator/{{Paramount}} didn’t want to wait a year to let the show wrap up so there was a fair amount of writing in the dark. His original script that was thrown out is reported to more or less have stuck plot by plot to the show. The ghostwriter of the final script accidentally backed them into a huge corner plot wise for the rest of the series. Specifically Aang running away because he was told the
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** Many fans have blamed producer Creator/ChristopherNolan for [[spoiler:Superman killing General Zod]]. In actuality, Nolan disliked that scene and only agreed to it after pressure from both Snyder and writer David Goyer.
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** Many fans have blamed producer Creator/ChristopherNolan for [[spoiler:Superman killing General Zod]]. In actuality, Nolan disliked that scene and only agreed to it after pressure from both Snyder and writer screenwriter David Goyer.
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* When the 2010 ''Film/{{Robin Hood|2010}}'' movie hit theatres, the critics were quick to blame their disappointment on the lesser-known writers Ethan Reiff and Cyrus Voris, who were credited as authors of the "story". [[NominalImportance Who else]] could have bungled it in a movie directed by Creator/RidleyScott, starring Creator/RussellCrowe, and written by Brian Helgeland, the writer of ''Film/MysticRiver'' and ''Film/LAConfidential''? In fact, Reiff and Voris' original script was a completely different story altogether, ''Nottingham'', that told Robin Hood's story from the Sheriff's [[PerspectiveFlip point of view]]. This premise was dismissed from the start by Scott, and after several rewrites there was practically nothing left of the original script (in Reiff and Voris' words, ''a single sentence'' of the dialogue they wrote made it into the final film, and was said by a different character).
* Whenever a new adaptation of ''Literature/GulliversTravels'' is made, there's a good chance it will involve the scene in which Gulliver puts out a fire in the Lilliputian palace by urinating on it. As such there will ''always'' be a reviewer who claims that this is gross, crude humour and that "Jonathan Swift would be rolling in his grave!", presumably unaware that this exact scene (and more even grosser, cruder stuff) actually happened in the book.
* Whenever a new adaptation of ''Literature/GulliversTravels'' is made, there's a good chance it will involve the scene in which Gulliver puts out a fire in the Lilliputian palace by urinating on it. As such there will ''always'' be a reviewer who claims that this is gross, crude humour and that "Jonathan Swift would be rolling in his grave!", presumably unaware that this exact scene (and more even grosser, cruder stuff) actually happened in the book.
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* When the 2010 ''Film/{{Robin Hood|2010}}'' movie hit theatres, the critics were quick to blame their disappointment on the lesser-known writers Ethan Reiff and Cyrus Voris, who were credited as authors of the "story". [[NominalImportance Who else]] could have bungled it in a movie directed by Creator/RidleyScott, starring Creator/RussellCrowe, and written by Brian Helgeland, the writer screenwriter of ''Film/MysticRiver'' and ''Film/LAConfidential''? In fact, Reiff and Voris' original script was a completely different story altogether, ''Nottingham'', that told Robin Hood's story from the Sheriff's [[PerspectiveFlip point of view]]. This premise was dismissed from the start by Scott, and after several rewrites there was practically nothing left of the original script (in Reiff and Voris' words, ''a single sentence'' of the dialogue they wrote made it into the final film, and was said by a different character).
* Whenever a new adaptation of ''Literature/GulliversTravels'' is made, there's a good chance it will involve the scene in which Gulliver puts out a fire in the Lilliputian palace by urinating on it. As such there will ''always'' be a reviewer who claims that this isgross, crude humour unnecessary VulgarHumor and that "Jonathan Swift "Creator/JonathanSwift would be rolling in his grave!", presumably unaware that this exact scene (and more even grosser, cruder stuff) actually happened in the book.
* Whenever a new adaptation of ''Literature/GulliversTravels'' is made, there's a good chance it will involve the scene in which Gulliver puts out a fire in the Lilliputian palace by urinating on it. As such there will ''always'' be a reviewer who claims that this is
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* Many reviews of Paul W.S. Anderson's remake of ''[[Film/TheThreeMusketeers2011 The Three Musketeers]]'' apparently decided that because it was Anderson, any trace of the original Dumas story would be gone. Many of the reviews acted as if the story bore no resemblance to the novel at all. Well, of course some things were changed, including turning Milady into an ActionGirl and the addition of airships, but honestly, the overall plot is pretty much exactly what Dumas wrote. All in all, it probably took fewer liberties than the 1993 version. Indeed, it may be the dissimilarity to the 1993 version that caused people to think Anderson's film wasn't faithful; because it wasn't faithful to the ''significantly altered'' version they were more familiar with.
* People who dislike the ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2 its sequel]] tend to pile all of the hate and blame on Creator/AndrewGarfield, despite Garfield merely playing the role and not being responsible for the costume, the writing, the soundtrack, or anything that tends to be hated in particular concerning the film. Even issues people take with the characterization of Spidey tend to be things based more on how Spider-Man is written rather than how he's acted; even his ''hair'' (which gets a surprisingly large amount of hate) is at least partially the fault of the stylist for the film rather than him. As he is pretty much seen as the face of the new franchise, every problem with it is blamed on him, regardless of what sense it makes. And if it's not him, it's the director, even if the series' problems obviously not being all Webb's fault.
* People who dislike the ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2 its sequel]] tend to pile all of the hate and blame on Creator/AndrewGarfield, despite Garfield merely playing the role and not being responsible for the costume, the writing, the soundtrack, or anything that tends to be hated in particular concerning the film. Even issues people take with the characterization of Spidey tend to be things based more on how Spider-Man is written rather than how he's acted; even his ''hair'' (which gets a surprisingly large amount of hate) is at least partially the fault of the stylist for the film rather than him. As he is pretty much seen as the face of the new franchise, every problem with it is blamed on him, regardless of what sense it makes. And if it's not him, it's the director, even if the series' problems obviously not being all Webb's fault.
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* Many reviews of Paul W.S. Anderson's Creator/PaulWSAnderson's remake of ''[[Film/TheThreeMusketeers2011 The ''Film/{{The Three Musketeers]]'' Musketeers|2011}}'' apparently decided that because it was Anderson, any trace of the original Dumas story [[Creator/AlexandreDumas Dumas]] [[Literature/TheThreeMusketeers story]] would be gone. Many of the reviews acted as if the story bore no resemblance to the novel at all. Well, of course some things were changed, including turning Milady into an ActionGirl and the addition of airships, but honestly, the overall plot is pretty much exactly what Dumas wrote. All in all, it probably took fewer liberties than the [[Film/TheThreeMusketeers1993 1993 version. version]]. Indeed, it may be the dissimilarity to the 1993 version that caused people to think Anderson's film wasn't faithful; faithful -- because it wasn't faithful to the ''significantly altered'' version they were more familiar with.
* People who dislike the ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2 its sequel]] tend to pile allof the hate and blame on Creator/AndrewGarfield, despite Garfield merely playing the role and not being responsible for the costume, the writing, the soundtrack, or anything that tends to be hated in particular concerning the film. Even issues people take with the characterization of Spidey tend to be things based more on how Spider-Man is written rather than how he's acted; even his ''hair'' (which gets a surprisingly large amount of hate) is at least partially the fault of the stylist for the film rather than him. As he is pretty much seen as the face of the new franchise, every problem with it is blamed on him, regardless of what sense it makes. And if it's not him, it's the director, even if the series' problems are obviously not being all Marc Webb's fault.
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** The "Turtles as aliens" rumours. They were eventually revealed to have ''never'' been an official part of the story. The rumour was based on a line which, in context, seemed to indicate that the Ooze, rather than the Turtles, would be alien in origin. [[spoiler:A throwaway line confirmed this to still be true.]]
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** The "Turtles as aliens" rumours. They were eventually revealed to have ''never'' been an official part of the story. The rumour was based on a line which, in context, seemed to indicate that the Ooze, rather than the Turtles, would be alien in origin. [[spoiler:A throwaway line confirmed this to be still be true.]]
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* M. Night Shyamalan, already an easy target, ended up getting the brunt of the criticism for ''Film/AfterEarth'', even though by all accounts it was really Will Smith's brainchild, who essentially had complete creative control over the film. Shyamalan acted as little more than the cinematographer/director-for-hire.
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* M. Night Shyamalan, already an easy target, ended up getting the brunt of the criticism for ''Film/AfterEarth'', even though by all accounts it was really Will Smith's Creator/WillSmith's brainchild, who essentially had complete creative control over the film. Shyamalan acted as little more than the cinematographer/director-for-hire.
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* ''Film/{{Psycho}}'' has received criticism in recent years for being allegedly responsible for transphobia in the media, as well as misogyny (due to the reveal that Norman's condition is due to his mother's abuse). This is despite the film going out of its way to ''not'' describe or even imply that he is transgender, Norman has an alternate personality that happens to be a woman. The claims of misogyny are also fairly baseless, as they imply that [[DoubleStandard a woman could not be capable of causing her child such psychological harm,]] and is arguably an example of FemalesAreMoreInnocent [[labelnote:Note]] By criticizing the film for placing blame for Norman's actions on his mother, and therefore imlying that women are the source of all evil, these criticisms simultaneously ignore the ''much more'' common trope of female villains being given the same excuse, but with the abuser being a man.[[/labelnote]].
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* ''Film/{{Psycho}}'' has received criticism in recent years for being allegedly responsible for transphobia in the media, as well as misogyny (due to the reveal that Norman's condition is due to his mother's abuse). This is despite the film going out of its way to ''not'' to describe or even imply that he is transgender, Norman has an alternate personality that happens to be a woman. The claims of misogyny are also fairly baseless, as they imply that [[DoubleStandard a woman could not be capable of causing her child such psychological harm,]] and is arguably an example of FemalesAreMoreInnocent [[labelnote:Note]] By FemalesAreMoreInnocent.[[note]]By criticizing the film for placing blame for Norman's actions on his mother, and therefore imlying implying that women are the source of all evil, these criticisms simultaneously ignore the ''much more'' common trope of female villains being given the same excuse, but with the abuser being a man.[[/labelnote]].[[/note]]
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** Series/{{Firefly}} is the perfect example of the above-mentioned phenomenon where a popular show gets cancelled because the "wrong" audience liked it. Quoth the producer: "The initial results – they made the network nervous. The men didn’t respond as strongly as they thought they would, and the women responded more strongly."
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** Series/{{Firefly}} ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' is the perfect example of the above-mentioned phenomenon where a popular show gets cancelled because the "wrong" audience liked it. Quoth the producer: Producer Chris Buchanan said: "The initial results – -- they made the network nervous. The men didn’t respond as strongly as they thought they would, and the women responded more strongly."
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* Mr and Mrs Smith: When the film was released, Angelina Jolie was vilified as “the other woman” who stole Brad Pitt from “America’s Sweetheart”, Jennifer Anniston. In the time since, both Brad and Angie have openly stated that he was well beyond separated from Jen when he and Angie began their affair, and in case anyone had any other doubts, she had made it ABUNDANTLY clear that her father cheated on her mother, and the devastation it caused her mother made her swear she would never steal another woman’s husband. Lest there be any remaining doubts, Pitt had made it clear from day one that he always wanted to be a father, that Jen didn’t want kids at tue time, and that Angie was already a mother, and that even before adopting him, her oldest child considered him a father figure.
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* Mr and Mrs Smith: ''Film/MrAndMrsSmith2005'': When the film was released, Angelina Jolie was vilified as “the other woman” who stole Brad Pitt from “America’s Sweetheart”, Jennifer Anniston. In the time since, both Brad and Angie have openly stated that he was well beyond separated from Jen when he and Angie began their affair, and in case anyone had any other doubts, she had made it ABUNDANTLY clear that her father cheated on her mother, and the devastation it caused her mother made her swear she would never steal another woman’s husband. Lest there be any remaining doubts, Pitt had made it clear from day one that he always wanted to be a father, that Jen didn’t want kids at tue time, and that Angie was already a mother, and that even before adopting him, her oldest child considered him a father figure.
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* Much of the Hatedom for ''WesternAnimation/{{Planes}}'' is aimed at Pixar despite the movie being filmed and animated by [=DisneyToon=] Studios. It didn't help that the movie was executive produced by John Lasseter.
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* Much of the Hatedom {{Hatedom}} for ''WesternAnimation/{{Planes}}'' is aimed at Pixar despite the movie being filmed and animated by [=DisneyToon=] Studios. It didn't help that the movie was executive produced by John Lasseter.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongeBobSquarePantsMovie'' is often accused of getting the [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants the series proper]] UnCancelled and causing it to go through SeasonalRot as a result. In reality, Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} was trying to convince Stephen Hillenburg to renew the show for a fourth season between 2002 and 2004, and he refused, so they hired Paul Tibbit instead. In fact, new episodes couldn't have been produced between the movie's release and Season 4's release, as the two were only six months apart (November 2004 and May 2005 respectively), while ''[=SpongeBob=]'' episodes take [[ProductionLeadTime at least nine months to produce]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongeBobSquarePantsMovie'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongebobSquarepantsMovie'' is often accused of getting the [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants the [[WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants series proper]] UnCancelled and causing it to go through SeasonalRot as a result. In reality, Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} was trying to convince Stephen Hillenburg to renew the show for a fourth season between 2002 and 2004, and he refused, so they hired Paul Tibbit instead. In fact, new episodes couldn't have been produced between the movie's release and Season 4's release, as the two were only six months apart (November 2004 and May 2005 respectively), while ''[=SpongeBob=]'' episodes take [[ProductionLeadTime at least nine months to produce]].
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* ''Film/{{Psycho}}'' has recieved criticism in recent years for being allegedly responsible for transphobia in the media, as well as misogyny (due to the reveal that Norman's condition is due to his mother's abuse). This is despite the film going out of its way to ''not'' describe or even imply that he is transgender, Norman has an alternate personality that happens to be a woman. The claims of misogyny are also fairly baseless, as they imply that [[DoubleStandard a woman could not be capable of causing her child such psychological harm,]] and is arguably an example of FemalesAreMoreInnocent [[labelnote:Note]] By criticizing the film for placing blame for Norman's actions on his mother, and therefore imlying that women are the source of all evil, these criticisms simultaneously ignore the ''much more'' common trope of female villains being given the same excuse, but with the abuser being a man.[[/labelnote]].
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* ''Film/{{Psycho}}'' has recieved received criticism in recent years for being allegedly responsible for transphobia in the media, as well as misogyny (due to the reveal that Norman's condition is due to his mother's abuse). This is despite the film going out of its way to ''not'' describe or even imply that he is transgender, Norman has an alternate personality that happens to be a woman. The claims of misogyny are also fairly baseless, as they imply that [[DoubleStandard a woman could not be capable of causing her child such psychological harm,]] and is arguably an example of FemalesAreMoreInnocent [[labelnote:Note]] By criticizing the film for placing blame for Norman's actions on his mother, and therefore imlying that women are the source of all evil, these criticisms simultaneously ignore the ''much more'' common trope of female villains being given the same excuse, but with the abuser being a man.[[/labelnote]].
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*** The hardcore Scully HateDom says he did so much damage that the show couldn't be salvaged when he stepped down as showrunner in mid-2001, but that ignores the changes Al Jean implemented on the show: of the disliked elements from Scully's time as showrunner, many were scrapped immediately while many more disappeared over time - very few of the complaints about episodes in Seasons 9-12 can be applied to seasons since then, and vice-versa.
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*** The hardcore Scully HateDom {{Hatedom}} says he did so much damage that the show couldn't be salvaged when he stepped down as showrunner in mid-2001, but that ignores the changes Al Jean implemented on the show: of the disliked elements from Scully's time as showrunner, many were scrapped immediately while many more disappeared over time - very few of the complaints about episodes in Seasons 9-12 can be applied to seasons since then, and vice-versa.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' is often blamed as the main reason for Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s decline in the late-2000s. In actuality, Nick would often [[ScrewedByTheNetwork refuse]] to give other shows a proper chance regardless, with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' likely having nothing to do with any other show's chances. Also, anyone involved with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' doesn't work in Nickelodeon's scheduling department, and would probably be receptive to their programmers actually having a schedule with various programs throughout the day rather than Ctrl+V'ing ''[=SpongeBob=]'' throughout the broadcast day.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' is often blamed as the main reason for Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s decline in the late-2000s. In actuality, Nick would often [[ScrewedByTheNetwork refuse]] to give other shows a proper chance regardless, with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' likely having nothing to do with any other show's chances. Also, anyone involved with ''[=SpongeBob=]'' doesn't work in Nickelodeon's scheduling department, and would probably be receptive to their programmers actually having a schedule with various programs throughout the day rather than Ctrl+V'ing ''[=SpongeBob=]'' throughout the broadcast day.
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* Nickelodeon took a lot of heat for the second half of the third season of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' taking so long to air that two episode [[ShortRunInPeru premiered in Canada]] and another two [[TheResolutionWillNotBeTelevised on DVD]]. However, this was because production on the finale had been delayed, and Nickelodeon didn't want to air less than half of a season only to have another hiatus right before the end of the series.
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* Nickelodeon took a lot of heat for the second half of the third season of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' taking so long to air that two episode [[ShortRunInPeru premiered in Canada]] and another two [[TheResolutionWillNotBeTelevised [[ConclusionInAnotherMedium on DVD]]. However, this was because production on the finale had been delayed, and Nickelodeon didn't want to air less than half of a season only to have another hiatus right before the end of the series.
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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' fans who have heard about the deeper aspects of Tolkien's mythology have often accused the Creator/PeterJackson [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings films]] of either cutting out these elements or not explaining them: for instance, not explaining [[OurAngelsAreDifferent what Gandalf and Sauron are]]. The thing is, while the Jackson films did indeed take a lot of liberties, many of these things are not actually explained or brought up in the text of ''Lord of the Rings'', either. For the most part, Tolkien kept much of the broader history of Middle-earth vague, with even [[AllThereInTheManual the appendices]] leaving a lot of blank spots, and it was only in ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' that many of those ideas (such as the very concept of Maiar) were laid down concretely. Some of the more zealous fans have even accused the films of "cutting" ideas that aren't from either story, such as Glorfindel's history or the Blue Wizards, both of which were only conceived of in private essays and musings dating to well after ''Lord of the Rings'' was written.
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* Many ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' fans blame director Kerry Shawcross and writer Miles Luna of [[spoiler:killing Pyrrha Nikos]] in the Volume 3 finale "End of the Beginning" as just nothing more than shock value so they can show that NothingIsTheSameAnymore. It took tweets from the late Creator/MontyOum's fiancee and [[spoiler:Pyrrha's voice actress]] to reveal that this was something Monty planned from the very beginning. There are many smaller examples of them getting the blame for Monty's ideas, such as the show's tendency to make new characters dramatically overpowered in their debuts and then nerf them for all subsequent appearances; Miles and Kerry actually worked to ''tone down'' this quirk to avoid ''completely'' breaking the show's internal logic.
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** After the season 3 finale, many fansblame director accused Miles and Kerry Shawcross and writer Miles Luna of [[spoiler:killing Pyrrha Nikos]] off Pyrrha]] solely as one final tragedy in the Volume 3 finale "End of the Beginning" as just nothing more than shock value so they can show a season that NothingIsTheSameAnymore. It took tweets from the late Creator/MontyOum's fiancee was already divisive due to its massive change in tone and threat level. Thankfully, this died down quickly after it was confirmed by both Monty's widow and [[spoiler:Pyrrha's voice actress]] to reveal that this was something Monty himself planned from it before the very beginning. There are many smaller examples series even began.
** Miles often gets accused ofthem getting writing Jaune (who he voices) as a self-insert and giving him an abundance of screen time. A [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/7x3w4s/crwby_ama_w_miles_luna_kerry_shawcross_and_paula/du5a1zm/ Reddit AMA]] revealed that Monty and Kerry were behind most of Jaune's prominence and that Miles actually became averse to writing scenes with Jaune because of the accusations.
** Eddy Rivas is often misblamed for the supposed queerbaiting that happened between Clover and Qrow, but little actual dialogue suggests a romantic bond between the two. Most of the blame forMonty's ideas, such as the show's tendency to make new characters dramatically overpowered in their debuts and then nerf them for all subsequent appearances; Miles and Kerry actually worked to ''tone down'' this quirk to avoid ''completely'' breaking can be laid at the show's internal logic. social media team deliberately pushing the idea of the ship, several animators deliberately adding flirtatious content like Clover's wink when the script didn't call for it, and the voice actors of Qrow and Clover for underselling that they were meant to be more antagonistic.
** After the season 3 finale, many fans
** Miles often gets accused of
** Eddy Rivas is often misblamed for the supposed queerbaiting that happened between Clover and Qrow, but little actual dialogue suggests a romantic bond between the two. Most of the blame for
