History Main / ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked

This is ''only'' for fans who honestly felt the original sucked SoBadItsGood. If the fans didn't think the original sucked, or if they honestly liked features that were removed on their own merits -- or if nostalgia means that they just hate change -- then that belongs under TheyChangedItNowItSucks and NostalgiaFilter instead.

* The first dub of ''Manga/{{Akira}}'' was a [[{{Woolseyism}} rather freely translated]] English version distributed by Carl Macek's Creator/StreamlinePictures in the 1980s. However, in 2001, a new dub was recorded, featuring a fresh and more accurate translation of the Japanese dialogue, and arguably better acting... ironically, the dub was dismissed by old-school fans as ''inferior'' to the original English dub. Which is ironic, because neither director Katsuhiro Otomo, Streamline, nor even ''Macek'' were [[OldShame pleased with the original dub]].
** The same is true for the ancient '80s dub of ''Anime/CastleInTheSky'', although that version isn't as widely known as its few defenders will attempt to make you believe.

* Many fans of ''Anime/WeissKreuz'' prefer to ignore its sequel series ''Weiß Kreuz Glühen'', whether in spite of or because of ''Glühen'''s significantly higher production values, more serious and less episodic plot, and better dub. The change of all of the main character designs due to legal issues and the large amounts of story buildup and character development [[AllThereInTheManual only covered on Drama CDs]] [[NoExportForYou not available to Western audiences]] didn't help, but one of the major complaints regarding ''Glühen'' is that its more serious plot is ''too'' dark and depressing and that it fails to capture the NarmCharm of the original.

** ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' invoked this reaction in many fans of the 90's anime (both original and dub fans). Despite the former's promise of being [[TruerToTheText truer to the manga]], said fans found it boring without the sheer amount of {{camp}} and silliness of the original anime (though they also had plenty of issues with ''Crystal'' on its own merits).

* Fans of UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks often [[http://mightygodking.com/2012/04/23/empirical-reasons-why-the-silver-age-was-better/ take this view]] towards more modern superhero stories, saying that while Silver Age stories were frequently idiotic, they were at least creative, tonally consistent, and unapologetically aimed at children, while modern superhero stories are slightly less idiotic, but went from appealing to dumb children to appealing to [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeofComicBooks dumb manchildren]], and turned into depressing atonal retreads in the process.

* A common quibble with the ''Film/{{Clash of the Titans|2010}}'' remake. While [[Film/ClashOfTheTitans1981 the original]] had lovingly crafted Creator/RayHarryhausen stop-motion beasties and a certain [[NarmCharm old-timey cheesy charm]], the remake, despite having a much greater budget and access to more advanced technology, had [[SpecialEffectFailure badly tacked-on 3D effects]] and an even more convoluted plot while being [[SadlyMythtaken even less faithful]] to Myth/GreekMythology.
* A lot of the comments from people reacting to the trailers for ''Film/{{Godzilla 2014}}'' is along the lines of "If it doesn't have monsters portrayed by PeopleInRubberSuits and human characters played by B-list actors [[HongKongDub whose lip motions don't match up with their spoken dialogue]], then it doesn't count as a Franchise/{{Godzilla}} movie." Indeed, the improved special effects, more talented cast that includes Creator/BryanCranston, and darker, more realistic tone are held up as examples of outright pretentiousness. [[DramaticallyMissingThePoint Then again, a good number of these complaints come from people who have not seen the original 1954 film.]]

* ''Film/JemAndTheHolograms'' is what happens when you take [[WesternAnimation/{{Jem}} a campy thirty-year-old toy-commercial cartoon]] and try to turn it into a serious band movie. Without the holograms (the technology, not the band), the Misfits (who are only granted a OneSceneWonder at TheStinger), the action-adventure elements and other campy charms, ''Jem'' came across as a cheap ''Series/HannahMontana'' remake that pissed off its intended fandom so badly that [[BoxOfficeBomb it couldn't make back]] [[NoBudget a $5 million budget]], and was pulled from theaters after ''two weeks''.

* The reason some people prefer ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'' to Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory''. The cheap practical effects in ''Willy Wonka'' definitely contribute to the surreal charm of the film, while the flashier, expensive CGI in Burton's film just isn't as unique or memorable.
* Some ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' fans were quite upset when in the trailer for ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' came out, a different designed Andy was shown. The irony of this is that over the years, technology has improved greatly, and an Andy with the exact same design he had in the original movie, it would look dated compared to the other models in the film.

* Attempts to mature ''Series/SavedByTheBell'' into a prime-time sitcom just resulted in a rather average sitcom with no excessive wackiness.
* The original ''Franchise/{{Dragnet}}'' was much more low-key and subtly humorous than most cop shows that we see today. So when ABC tried to remake it as an extremely gritty tough-as-nails life on the street show, well... it didn't go over very well.

* This, combined with NarmCharm, is part of the reason why quite a few ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' fans detest the remastered episodes - it just isn't 60s ''Trek'' without analog clocks in the 23rd century and cheesy special effects. Of course, another factor is that the remastered special effects are still really obvious; it's just that they now look like crappy 90s special effects than crappy 60s special effects, and stick out like sore thumbs.
** Many fans of the classic ''Star Trek'' weren't exactly thrilled to see the modern ''Trek'' series with the updated sets, costumes and visual effects, and more serious storylines. To them, the cheese was part of the fun.

** Hence the reason that ''Red Dwarf Remastered'' that updated the first three series went over badly with the fanbase who felt that the titular ship looked too spit and polished for a three-million-year-old mining vessel, constantly on the verge of falling apart even when it was ''new'' and built on the cheap. Similarly, fans hated the look of the ship in ''Red Dwarf VIII'' when the errant nanites repaired the ship to its original in-universe design before the Jupiter Mining Corp slashed the budget.
* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** Certain fans say that they prefer the low budget special effects of the original to the modern looking effects of the revival. It might be worth noting that Creator/ColinBaker accuses this of just being rose tinted glasses. According to him, nobody really ''liked'' the crappy special effects, they just tolerated them. Still, this was a big enough concern for Creator/RussellTDavies that he deliberately tried to keep the special effects from being overly polished in order to retain some of the stylisation and NarmCharm. The same principle goes for a lot of the obviously 'bad' bits of the Classic series - cheesy synthesiser soundtracks (retro charm!), dodgy and under-rehearsed WorldOfHam acting (over-the-top and spontaneous!) and rushed ThreeCameras look (like watching a play!), DependingOnTheWriter inconsistencies and CharacterDerailment (asks the actors and the viewer to do the work!), how large chunks of it [[MissingEpisode don't exist anymore]] (better in the imagination!)...
** "The Mind of Evil" was lost, and the only copies that the BBC had in its collection were black-and-white copies from Australia. This meant that it couldn't be seen in colour until very recently when it was digitally recoloured. Some fans have opined that the black-and-white version is better, as it gives the story a 'gritty' feel.
** The BBC's [[NoBudget nonexistent finances]] are clearly on display with the original Cybermen from "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS4E2TheTenthPlanet The Tenth Planet]]", which barely have any mechanical parts, are clearly just made of surgical tape, paper, and wires, have blank mouths that just kind of...hang open when they're talking, and have fleshy, organic hands because the costume designer ''forgot to bring the gloves they were supposed to wear''. Many fans, notably including Creator/PeterCapaldi, feel that the original design is actually ''scarier'' than the later versions, which were better-made and more convincingly mechanical in nature. It's partly because their makeshift, obviously cheap, [[PeopleInRubberSuits man-in-a-costume]] look with exposed, fleshy hands makes it much more clear that they're [[BodyHorror converted]] [[WasOnceAMan humans]] and partly because the bizarre design (with [[TheBlank featureless white faces]] and eerie singsong voices) is much more [[UncannyValley disturbing]] [[SurrealHorror in a nightmarish way]] than the more traditional robot design that came later.
* In the mid-nineties, a Norwegian TV network briefly experimented with dubbing the first few episodes of the sitcom ''The Gregory Hines Show'' in a country where there's no tradition for dubbing foreign TV shows unless they are aimed specifically at children. After airing three dubbed episodes, the viewers were asked to vote over whether they wanted the show to remain dubbed or if they wanted the original version (the latter of which they didn't get a chance to see in advance). The audience overwhelmingly voted for the original version. Nevertheless, the original episodes only aired for a few weeks before the show was removed altogether - Possibly because once people saw the original, they realized that ''The Gregory Hines Show'' was a very bland sitcom, and the novelty of having it dubbed was the only thing that had made it remotely interesting.
* Many fans who don't like the Steve Harvey version of ''Series/FamilyFeud'', which has enjoyed its highest ratings in decades, prefer the original Dawson or Combs versions. Then there are those who prefer the less tolerable hosts over Harvey, even Richard Karn and Louie Anderson. For a time, the 1994-95 season where Dawson returned was cited as the worst ''Feud'' had to offer but viewer demand prompted the former Game Show Network to air that version in reruns.

* Plenty of fans felt that the 2011 Broadway revival of ''Theatre/{{Godspell}}'' missed the point of the show— originally performed off-Broadway by newcomers and still favored by community theater groups for its simplicity—with its polished orchestrations and professional cast.
* It's entirely possible to ruin a production of ''Theatre/ArsenicAndOldLace'' by staging it too well. The show is a horror-comedy, and a production that's too "high quality" can make it lean a bit too much towards the disturbing than the hilarious, leaving it both too comic to succeed as horror and not silly enough to be as funny as it might have been. Ideally, you should see it performed by either a cast of untrained but enthusiastic high school students or a cast of absolute master performers that know the rules of theater well enough to break them.

* When ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' received an UpdatedRerelease for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]] as War of the Lions, fans lamented the loss of much of the game's NarmCharm derived from poorly translated lines and decried the new translation's excessive use of PurpleProse that makes the game's already-complicated story even harder to understand. This is due in part to the fact that only the English translation used archaic-sounding dialogue (the Japanese version always used modern Japanese), and actually made some nonsensical changes such as Inkidasu being "Iaido" (drawing the sword from the sheath, and a real martial art) instead of "Draw Out" (drawing spirits from the sword). (The ability to press select to see descriptions helps somewhat.) Say what you will about the [=PS1=] version's bad dialogue, but the item/skill names were dead-on literal. (Until you wonder why "Fire Bracelet" is breathing fire on you, or why you're summoning "Rich") In a slight reversal of this, the "write entirely new dialogue to match an aesthetic not found in the original" was applied ''later'' and tends to be more well-received amongst fans who weren't around for the original. They also kept some "bad" translations, such as "Wiegraf" instead of "Wiglaf".\\\
The same thing happened with the PSP version of ''Tactics Ogre''. To say that a part of the hardcore fanbase was... ''displeased'' with their arbitrary name changes would be an understatement. In particular, fans weren't amused when [[UnfortunateNames Aloser's]] name was changed to Arycelle - 'Aloser' was a rather obvious example of So Bad It's Good name (plus there's the hilarity in a hard boss being destroyed in one hit by 'A Loser', who happens to be a GameBreaker), while Arycelle was viewed by many as a mere generic fantasy name. It doesn't help that Aloser's name is clearly romanized in the original [[NoExportForYou SNES version's supplemental material]] as [[Literature/ArsGoetia 'Alocer']]... so 'Arycelle' isn't any more correct than 'Aloser'. But given that the SNES version was only fan-translated, and the 1998 translation was not done by Creator/SquareEnix but ''Atlus'' in their infancy, this doesn't come as a surprise.

* ''VideoGame/StarOceanTheSecondStory'''s EnhancedRemake got this. The fans were ''all'' saying, "Boy I hope they redo the voice acting!" and/or "I hope they translate it better this time!" when the EnhancedRemake was announced for the [=PlayStation=] Portable. Those were perhaps the ''number one criticism'' from fans, and even critics who dislike the genre as a whole. Then it comes, and fans actually said they liked the [=PlayStation=] version ''better'', partly due to the NostalgiaFilter. (The Ten Wise Men names, however, are all up to the subject of opinion and are therefore excluded, some people who liked the PSP version better actually appreciated Indalecio) Never mind that not only were some characters saying "Claude" and others "Craude" in the Playstation version, the developers actually ''forgot to record'' two of Rena's spells (That she often uses) and they play the Japanese audio, and it was in general, just a rush job.

* Most of the retranslation of ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' for the DS is relatively good, but some fans lamented the loss of Frog's YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe dialogue, which added to the character's status as TheComicallySerious.

* When ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' was remastered in an "HD Collection", many fans expressed everything from annoyance to outrage at the recasting of character voices and clearer, more crisp graphics. Many made the claims that the original [=PS2=] game's less-professional, somewhat corny voice acting was part of its [[NarmCharm charm]], and the murkier graphics added to the experience of being lost in a nightmare world. The HD version did have plenty of other problems too though; see PortingDisaster for the details.

* Go to any video comparison of the UsefulNotes/{{Nintendo 64}} and UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS versions of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' or ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask'' (such as [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT6JqJXeHpA these]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mMfPcjZ7U8 two]]), and you'll find the comments section full of people who prefer the crude polygonal models, dull blurry textures, poor lighting, draw distance fog, etc. of the Nintendo 64 originals, claiming that they're more "realistic", "atmospheric", "mature", etc.

* Fans of ''VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay'' tend to be none too fond of the remastered graphics of ''Conker: Live And Reloaded''. They’re perfectly decent in their own right, but the original's more primitive and cartoony graphics made it fit in perfectly visually with other Nintendo 64 collectathons like ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie'' - [[SubvertedKidsShow which was the entire point.]] Thankfully, when the game was brought over to [[CompilationRerelease Rare Replay]], it was the original Nintendo 64 version, with ''Live and Reloaded'' nowhere in sight.

** Fans of ''VideoGame/MegaManClassic'' tend to prefer the NES spritework and soundtrack over more modern looks and sounds. It doesn't hurt that they're very familiar with them as a result of romhacks and fangames. This is at least a chunk of the reason that ''VideoGame/MegaMan9'' and its followup went the {{Retraux}} route. A particularly funny example is that ''VideoGame/MegaMan11'', though largely well-liked for updating the visuals properly, got some tongue-in-cheek grousing for removing that odd effect where Mega Man freezes in place as the screen scrolls if he jumps into the boss door.
* Fans of old-school MMORPG titles like ''VideoGame/{{Everquest}}'', ''VideoGame/UltimaOnline'', and classic ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' tend to cite their relative lack of AntiFrustrationFeatures. In their view, having to slog around the map on foot, manage troublesome queues, and try to communicate and organize through a clunky interface was a lot of what made those games absorbing. Modern titles cut out a lot of this cruft, but in the process made them feel less alive.

* An intern wrote into the advice blog Ask A Manager because they'd been fired and were seeking recourse. The intern had noticed that a coworker typed in a way the intern considered inefficient, so the intern changed the coworker's computer setting to force the coworker to type differently. The blogger responded by telling the letter writer that changing the way someone types is going to result in an adjustment period that might cancel out any gains in efficiency (and also that an intern trying to enforce changes on actual employees was a pretty gross case of overstepping one's bounds).

* For some of those who like ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog'' over ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM,'' it's like this. Adventures is ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy'' meets ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog,'' the perfect storm for WebAnimation/YouTubePoop. Concurrently, ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM'' is a more serious version of Sonic that is closer to other '90s cartoons at the time. Depends whether you liked the humor or wanted a stronger narrative. ''WesternAnimation/SonicUnderground'', by contrast, is frequently considered as the mean between the two... having ''neither''.

* The ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003'' series, while it has fans, became a divisive due to this; a lot of fans were nostalgic about the goofy, silly 80 cartoon and didn't appreciate the DarkerAndEdgier approach of the 2003 version (despite it being closer to the original comic).
** This is also considered the reason why the "Red Sky" ReTool seasons flopped. All the goofiness and stupidity of the '80s cartoon was removed... and what we got was a generic mid-'90s action cartoon that took itself too seriously.

* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' tend to favor its hokiness and absurdity over more serious modern takes. Megatron and Starscream's relationship being LikeAnOldMarriedCouple is silly, but it's a lot funnier than settings where they're supposed to be competent (not to mention, it provides lots of HoYay). Optimus playing basketball and trash-talking his opponents is dumb, but it gives him a lot more character than the StandardizedLeader he's depicted as in modern works. The animation is more frequently OffModel than not, but dang if it doesn't make for a good DrinkingGame. Works that try to pull directly from the cartoon in the modern day (the Dreamwave comics, Deviations, Wings of Honor) tend to get fairly lukewarm responses, as it usually ends up with the bland parts of a Saturday morning cartoon without the charming or funny parts.

* The 1980s incarnation of Ride/ActionPark in New Jersey, when it was a real-life AmusementParkOfDoom, has many fans who hold nostalgia for its particular brand of mayhem (drownings in the tidal pool, numerous injuries, drunken ride operators) as being part of a freer, less 'sissy' world where teenagers could learn lessons at the SchoolOfHardKnocks rather than visiting the sanitized corporate modern day theme park.
* In a general sense, upgrading to newer vehicles, appliances, software and whatnot can cause frustration after one has grown familiar with the various idiosyncrasies of the older tech, ironically making it ''[[DamnYouMuscleMemory harder]]'' for some people to figure out how to work with the more simplified, "user-friendly" stuff. This is especially pronounced with cars, where the increasing number of modern conveniences and digitized functions also make them significantly more difficult and expensive to repair compared to older models that relied on largely mechanical parts.
* For VHS collectors, it's generally like this. There are practical reasons to collect VHS tapes, of course (their cheapness, [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes the non-existence of some DVD releases]], or wanting [[GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion the original unaltered versions of some films]]); but perhaps for reasons of NostalgiaFilter, some prefer the retro feel of watching older movies with the soft, grainy picture quality of VHS. Some horror movie buffs maintain that VHS is the ''true way'' to watch just about any horror movie made before 2000, maintaining that not being able to see a slasher villain lurking in the shadows due to the picture quality actually makes the movie scarier (and indeed some filmmakers from the VHS era did this deliberately). There are also people who prefer DVD or Blu-ray for similar reasons.
* Vinyl record and cassette collectors often insist that vinyl is actually higher-quality, which is sometimes true, but only because records are usually old enough to predate the LoudnessWar that afflicts many modern [=CDs=] (which is the fault of marketing-driven sound engineering, not the distribution format). Record fans prefer the characteristic sound of analog vinyl playback, even though it's technically less clean and accurate than a properly-mastered CD or digital file. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_sound The sound distortion of vacuum tubes]] is a similar phenomenon.

* In the ''Boss Mabel'' vlog, [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Rob Walker]] complained that they could put a lot of effort into something, and a VocalMinority would rather just have Doug half-assing it in front of a wall. In general, the low-budget nature of the early episodes was seen as part of the charm, as it came across as just a guy giving his opinions and reminiscing about his childhood, while the attempts to make the show "professional" came across as overproduced and unfunny.

* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' FanFiction writer Stephen Ratliff once wrote an update to his Fanfic/MarissaPicard story ''Time Speeder'' called ''Athena Prospects''. Anyone who has read both stories knows that Athena Prospects is a much better story than Time Speeder, although it's still pretty bad. Time Speeder, by contrast, is ''way'' more fun to read because all the incredibly stupid stuff is in it. Such as the two villains checking into hotels as James Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard. In a universe where all the Franchise/StarTrek shows are accurate foretelling of the future (!) or when Saddam Hussein takes over the entire Middle East in a throwaway line.

** Many fans of the classic ''Series/StarTrek'' weren't exactly thrilled to see the modern ''Trek'' series with the updated sets, costumes and visual effects, and more serious storylines. To them, the cheese was part of the fun.

* ThePortsmouthSinfonia was an orchestra founded in 1970, made up of people who didn't know how to play their instruments (really, that was one of the requirements - they would allow musicians to join, but on the condition that they were unfamiliar with the instrument they chose). Well-known songs were given them to play, and [[HilarityEnsues the results were hilarious]]. Nearly a decade later, everyone had learned to play those instruments and the popularity of the symphony declined as it lost its novelty factor. The orchestra ceased performing in 1979.

** The same is true of vinyl record and cassette collectors. Many will insist that vinyl is actually higher-quality, which is sometimes true, but only because records are usually old enough to predate the LoudnessWar that afflicts many modern [=CDs=] (which is the fault of marketing-driven sound engineering, not the distribution format). Record fans prefer the characteristic sound of analog vinyl playback, even though it's technically less clean and accurate than a properly-mastered CD or digital file. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_sound The sound distortion of vacuum tubes]] is a similar phenomenon.

*** It should be noted that the [[SoBadItsGood So Bad It's Good]] opening is from the Spanish dub, not the Latin American one, as it was from the version that came out in 1990. The proper Latin American dub used Pegasus Fantasy.

* Music/TheMostUnwantedSong was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. [[Wiki/{[Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on Website/YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece straight out of the most boring parts of 90s easy listening]]. Which was, indeed, the entire point.

* A common quibble with the ''Film/{{Clash of the Titans|2010}}'' remake. While [[Film/ClashOfTheTitans1981 the original]] had lovingly crafted Creator/RayHarryhausen stop-motion beasties and a certain [[NarmCharm old-timey cheesy charm]], the remake, despite having a much greater budget and access to more advanced technology, had [[SpecialEffectsFailure badly tacked-on 3D effects]] and an even more convoluted plot while being [[SadlyMythtaken even less faithful]] to Myth/GreekMythology.

* The ''Film/LostInSpace'' movie toned down the {{Camp}} and replaced the [[SpecialEffectsFailure cheesy special effects]] with CGI. The [[Series/LostInSpace TV show]] was SoBadItsGood, but the movie was just SoOkayItsAverage at best.

* Tyra Banks's novel ''Literature/{{Modelland}}'' is so bad that most positive reviews agreed it needed additional editing before being released. However, the parts that aren't horrible and confused are just... dull. The book is a mix of so-bad-they're-good parts and mediocre, forgettable parts.

* The Sci-Fi Channel original series update of ''Series/{{Flash Gordon|2007}}'' suffered from this as well, turning Ming (who is hardly Merciless) into a milquetoast CorruptCorporateExecutive [[RecycledINSPACE IN]] [[AnotherDimension AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION]]!, the Hawkmen into vagrants who only THINK they can fly, etc. This from a franchise whose [[Film/FlashGordon1980 most recognizable entry]] was the most gleefully campy movie since the 1966 Batman movie (curiously, both by the same writer).

* Music/TheMostUnwantedSong was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. Wiki/TheOtherWiki describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on Website/YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece straight out of the most boring parts of 90s easy listening]]. Which was, indeed, the entire point.

* Wiki/TVTropes. Before the policies on this Wiki changed (specifically, before the implementation of a far stricter Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment, a stricter ban on Administrivia/{{Natter}}, and the YMMV tab) there were lively debates and conversations on some of the entries, although they could easily descend to tiring arguments. Some tropers are still nostalgic for the older version of the website.

* While in real life, ''Film/StarTrek2009'' was a hit among Trekkies and layfolk, the new movie's slick production values combined with this to make a [[http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable,14333/ great Onion News Network piece]].

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* The first dub of ''Manga/{{Akira}}'' was a [[{{Woolseyism}} rather freely translated]] English version distributed by Carl Macek's Creator/StreamlinePictures in the 1980's. However, in 2001, a new dub was recorded, featuring a fresh and more accurate translation of the Japanese dialogue, and arguably better acting... ironically, the dub was dismissed by old-school fans as ''inferior'' to the original English dub. Which is ironic, because neither director Katsuhiro Otomo, Streamline, nor even ''Macek'' were [[OldShame pleased with the original dub]].

* Many fans of ''Anime/WeissKreuz'' prefer to ignore its sequel series ''Weiß Kreuz Glühen'', whether in spite of or because of ''Glühen'''s significantly higher production values, more serious and less episodic plot, and better dub. The change of all of the main character designs due to legal issues and the large amounts of story buildup and character development [[AllThereInTheManual only covered on Drama CDs]] [[NoExportForYou not available to Western audiences]] didn't help, but one of the major complaints regarding ''Glühen'' is that its more serious plot is ''too'' dark and depressing, and that it fails to capture the NarmCharm of the original.

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* Speedball was a 60's comic character created in the 80's, with all the Narm you could shake a stick at. His power was just being able to bounce really well, and the less said about his costume, the better. Mocking him was par for the course among fans. Then came the "ComicBook/CivilWar" storyline, in which his inability to save a school full of kids led him to change: his powers were now activated by pain and he changed his name to Penance, complete with an Iron-Maiden-like costume, becoming a full-on NinetiesAntiHero. No one liked it, and after a while, the old, silly Speedball returned.

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* {{Franchise/Transformers}} ''Beast Wars'' fanfic author William A. Renfield was quite popular for his early Echowarrior fanfics on the TF usenet group alt.toys.transformers in the late 90s...mostly because they were horrible self insertion schlock. Hey, he was 12. Fast forward to WAR's material 6-7 years later now as a young adult, which had settled into the mediocre range...and zero people caring about it.

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* The original ''Film/DeathRace2000'' was great, schlocky, over-the-top Roger Corman-esque fare, perfect for [[Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3K]]-style ribbing. ''Film/DeathRace'', the remake, was a watchable action flick (and featured the presence of Jason Statham), but felt like the soul had been ripped out of the concept.

* The first set of chapters to Music/RKelly's infamous [[RockOpera hip-hopera]] ''Music/TrappedInTheCloset'' are about as [[{{Narm}} gut-bustigly melodramatic]] as a [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative feature-length R&B ballad music video]] gets, and are legendarily [[SoBadItsGood hysterical as a result]]. Then Kelly and the filmmakers became serious party poopers and made the second set of chapters a borderline [[DenserAndWackier straightforward comedy]].

* Some ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' fans were quite upset when in the trailer for ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' came out, a different designed Andy was shown. The irony of this, is that over the years, technology has improved greatly, and an Andy with the exact same design he had in the original movie, it would look dated compared to the other models in the film.

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[[folder: Live Action TV ]]

** Hence the reason that ''Red Dwarf Remastered'' that updated the first three series went over badly with the fanbase who felt that the titular ship looked too spit and polished for a three million year old mining vessel, constantly on the verge of falling apart even when it was ''new'' and built on the cheap. Similarly fans hated the look of the ship in ''Red Dwarf VIII'' when the errant nanites repaired the ship to its original in-universe design before the Jupiter Mining Corp slashed the budget.

** Certain fans say that they prefer the low budget special effects of the original to the modern looking effects of the revival. It might be worth noting that Creator/ColinBaker accuses this of just being rose tinted glasses. According to him, nobody really ''liked'' the crappy special effects, they just tolerated them. Still, this was a big enough concern for Creator/RussellTDavies that he deliberately tried to keep the special effects from being overly polished in order to retain some of the stylisation and NarmCharm. The same principle goes for a lot of the obviously 'bad' bits of the Classic series - cheesy synthesiser soundtracks (retro charm!), dodgy and under-rehearsed WorldOfHam acting (over-the-top and spontaneous!) and rushed ThreeCameras look (like watching a play!), DependingOnTheWriter inconsistencies and CharacterDerailment (asks the actors and the viewer to do the work!), how large chunks of it [[MissingEpisode don't exist any more]] (better in the imagination!)...
** "The Mind of Evil" was lost, and the only copies that the BBC had in its collection were black-and-white copies from Australia. This meant that it couldn't be seen in colour until very recently, when it was digitally recoloured. Some fans have opined that the black-and-white version is better, as it gives the story a 'gritty' feel.

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* Music/TheShaggs were awful musicians when ''Philosophy of The World'', their most famous album, came out. Later recordings show them to be much more experienced with their instruments, and actually listenable, if not quite good. The band were even booked to play at dances in their native New Hampshire. These later recordings are nowhere near as well known as ''Philosophy'' is, owing to them being fairly non-descript and somewhat bland. The group wasn't particularly unique once they were able to play with some level of competence. Dot Wiggin is a ''much'' better musician than when she was a teenager, and a few of her songs are actually quite good, though it's unlikely she'll ever make it out of obscurity.

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* The original run of the musical version of ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'' was best remembered for two things: the astronomical [[TroubledProduction amount of time and money]] poured into it and its spectacular awfulness it resulted in. Twenty some years later, a revival, which amended many of the original's shortcomings, was dismissed for being completely forgettable.

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* A chunk of the the original ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'''s fanbase was offput by the [=GameCube=] remake of the the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.

* When ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' was remastered in an "HD Collection", many fans expressed everything from annoyance to outrage at the recasting of character voices and clearer, more crisp graphics. Many made the claims that the original [=PS2=] game's less-professional, somewhat corny voice acting was part of its [[NarmCharm charm]], and the murkier graphics added to the experience of being lost in a nightmare world. The HD version did have plenty other problems too though; see PortingDisaster for the details.

* ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForceInsectArmageddon'', the western developed spin-off of the notoriously campy ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForce'' series, made many improvements to the controls, graphics and framerate. They also hired top tier voice talent like Steve Blum and Cam Clarke. Many fans disliked the changes as they came at the cost of the cheesy B-movie absurdity and shoddy production values that gave the series its cult status.

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* Happens InUniverse in the ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' episode "Wacky Deli": Ralph Bighead hires Rocko, Heffer and Filbert to create the worst possible show ever in an effort to get out of his contract. [[SpringtimeForHitler Of course it becomes a hit]]... until Ralph decides to actually put thought and effort into it, at which point it's swiftly canceled.

** At some point in the '90s the ComicBook/WonderTwins were re-integrated into the DC Universe and given a DarkerAndEdgier backstory which made them into oppressed slaves. Wrap your head around that. Serious Wonder Twins? What's the point?

** This is also considered the reason why the "Red Sky" ReTool seasons flopped. All the goofiness and stupidity of the 80's cartoon was removed... and what we got was a generic mid-90's action cartoon that took itself too seriously.

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* "Ken Lee", a garbled pronounciation of "Can't Live" from Music/MariahCarey's cover of the Music/{{Badfinger}} song "Without You", as sung by Valentina Hasan, was an [[MemeticMutation internet meme]], almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The SoBadItsGood silliness was lost and it became SoOkayItsAverage.

* The 1980s incarnation of Ride/ActionPark in New Jersey, when it was a real life AmusementParkOfDoom, has many fans who hold nostalgia for its particular brand of mayhem (drownings in the tidal pool, numerous injuries, drunken ride operators) as being part of a freer, less 'sissy' world where teenagers could learn lessons at the SchoolOfHardKnocks rather than visiting the sanitized corporate modern day theme park.

* For VHS collectors, it's generally like this. There are practical reasons to collect VHS tapes, of course (their cheapness, [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes the non-existence of some DVD releases]], or wanting [[GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion the original unaltered versions of some films]]); but perhaps for reasons of NostalgiaFilter, some prefer the retro feel of watching older movies with the soft, grainy picture quality of VHS. Some horror movie buffs maintain that VHS is the ''true way'' to watch just about any horror movie made before 2000, maintaining that not being able to see a slasher villain lurking in the shadows due to the picture quality actually makes the movie scarier (and indeed some film makers from the VHS era did this deliberately). There are also people who prefer DVD or Blu-ray for similar reasons.

* For VHS collectors, it's generally like this. There are practical reasons to collect VHS tapes, of course (their cheapness, [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes the non-existence of some DVD releases]], or wanting [[GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion the original unaltered versions of some films]]); but perhaps for reasons of NostalgiaFilter, some prefer the retro feel of watching older movies with the soft, grainy picture quality of VHS. Some horror movie buffs maintain that VHS is the ''true way'' to watch just about any horror movie made before 2000. There are also people who prefer DVD or Blu-ray for similar reasons.

* In the ''Boss Mabel'' vlog, [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Rob Walker]] complained that they could put a lot of effort into something, and a VocalMinority would rather just have Doug half-assing it in front of a wall.

* The ''Film/LostInSpace'' movie toned down the {{Camp}} and replaced the [[SpecialEffectsFailure cheesy special effects]] with CGI. The [[Series/LostInSpace TV show]] was SoBadItsGood, but the movie was just SoOkayItsAverage at best.

* Many fans who don't like the Steve Harvey version of ''Series/FamilyFeud'', which has enjoyed its highest ratings in decades, prefer the original Dawson or Combs versions. Then there are those who prefer the less tolerable hosts over Harvey, such as John O'Hurley and even Richard Karn. For a time, the 1994-95 season where Dawson returned was cited as the worst ''Feud'' had to offer but viewer demand prompted the former Game Show Network to air that version in reruns.

* ''Film/JemAndTheHolograms'' is what happens when you take [[WesternAnimation/{{Jem}} a campy thirty-year-old toy-commercial cartoon]] and try to turn it into a serious band movie. Without the holograms, the Misfits, the action-adventure elements and other campy charms, ''Jem'' came across as a cheap ''Series/HannahMontana'' remake that pissed off its intended fandom so badly that [[BoxOfficeBomb it couldn't make back]] [[NoBudget a $5 million budget]], and was pulled from theaters after ''two weeks''.

Compare ItsPopularNowItSucks.

** That does not hold true of the Portuguese dub, however. Especially since the "Pegasus Fantasy" version that eventually ended up in the opening was sung by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angra_(band) Angra's]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCV74ZtLx6I Edu Falaschi]].

* Some ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' fans were quite upset when in the trailer for ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' came out, a different designed Andy was shown. The irony of this, is that over the years, technology has improved greatly, and an Andy with the exact same design he had in Toy Story 1, it would look dated compared to the other models in the film.

* The ''Film/LostInSpace'' movie toned down the {{Camp}} and replaced the [[SpecialEffectsFailure cheesy special effects]] with CGI. The [[Series/LostInSpace TV show]] was SoBadItsGood, but the movie was just SoOkayItsAverage at best.

** ''Big Rigs'' has a sequel, named "Midnight Race Club: Supercharged!" It's barely remembered, mainly because there's actually collision detection and a moving opponent. It's mostly considered very mediocre.

* "Ken Lee", a garbled pronounciation of "Can't Live" from Music/MariahCarey's cover of the Music/{{Badfinger}} song "Without You", as song by Valentina Hasan, was an [[MemeticMutation internet meme]], almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The SoBadItsGood silliness was lost and it became SoOkayItsAverage.

* Some ''Film/ToyStory'' fans were quite upset when in the trailer for ''Film/ToyStory4'' came out, a different designed Andy was shown. The irony of this, is that over the years, technology has improved greatly, and an Andy with the exact same design he had in Toy Story 1, it would look dated compared to the other models in the film.

* "Ken Lee", a garbled pronounciation of "Can't Live" from the Badfinger song "Without You", as song by Valentina Hasan, was an [[MemeticMutation internet meme]], almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The SoBadItsGood silliness was lost and it became SoOkayItsAverage.

* For VHS collectors, it's generally like this. There are practical reasons to collect VHS tapes, of course (their cheapness, [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes the non-existence of some DVD releases]], or wanting [[GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion the original unaltered versions of some films]]); but perhaps for reasons of NostalgiaFilter, some prefer the retro feel of watching older movies with the soft, grainy picture quality of VHS. Some horror movie buffs maintain that VHS is the ''true way'' to watch just about any horror movie made before 2000.
** The same is true of vinyl-record collectors. Many will insist that vinyl is actually higher-quality, which is sometimes true, but only because records are usually old enough to predate the LoudnessWar that afflicts many modern [=CDs=] (which is the fault of marketing-driven sound engineering, not the distribution format). Record fans prefer the characteristic sound of analog vinyl playback, even though it's technically less clean and accurate than a properly-mastered CD or digital file. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_sound The sound distortion of vacuum tubes]] is a similar phenomenon.

* Music/TheMostUnwantedSong was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. Wiki/TheOtherWiki describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on Website/YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song. Which was, indeed, the entire point.

* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' tend to favor its hokiness and absurdity over more serious modern takes. Megatron and Starscream's relationship being LikeAnOldMarriedCouple is silly, but it's a lot funnier than settings where they're supposed to be competent (not to mention, it provides lots of HoYay). Optimus playing basketball and trash-talking his opponents is dumb, but it gives him a lot more character than the VanillaProtagonist he's depicted as in modern works. The animation is more frequently OffModel than not, but dang if it doesn't make for a good DrinkingGame. Works that try to pull directly from the cartoon in the modern day (the Dreamwave comics, Deviations, Wings of Honor) tend to get fairly lukewarm responses, as it usually ends up with the bland parts of a Saturday morning cartoon without the charming or funny parts.