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->''"The Lamborghini; what you're saying is it would be better, if it were a bit worse?"''
-->-- '''Clarkson''' to Hammond on ''Series/TopGear''.
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[[caption-width-right:350:The UncannyValley of writing.]]
SoBadItsGood can be popular to the point that a whole fandom can arise out of a mocked work. This is the magic of {{Camp}}, in that even if the writers weren't trying to be tacitly absurd, it's still possible to get a lot of legitimate enjoyment and laughs out of it if the writing is bad enough.
Sometimes, though, a copyright holder will try to fix the image of the SoBadItsGood franchise by trying to give it a [[ContinuityReboot Reboot]]. The purpose being, hopefully, to make what once was {{Camp}} serious drama. When this falls by the wayside, the viewers get a poor result. The show is no longer SoBadItsGood, but now it's SoOkayItsAverage. In other words, a thorough "meh". Still bad, but not ''so'' bad that it's fun to mock anymore.
This is also a common reaction to the patching of bad games that had a saving grace in the form of GoodBadBugs. More often than not, said bugs are the easiest things to fix, and so the fun to be had in thoroughly breaking the game is removed by the patch, while the more deeply ingrained mediocrity of such a game often remains. Even good games can get this reaction if the bugs were fun enough to play with, resulting in that aspect of the game falling into this trope.
'''This is ''only'' for fans who honestly felt the original sucked SoBadItsGood.''' If the fans didn't think the original sucked, or if they honestly liked features that were removed on their own merits -- or if nostalgia means that they just hate change -- then that belongs under TheyChangedItNowItSucks and NostalgiaFilter instead.
This is, to a great extent, incredibly subjective. Note that the perceptions listed here are ''general'' perceptions of a work as a whole.
Contrast NarmCharm. This is the lack -- more specifically, the loss -- thereof. Also see GenreThrowback, which may or may not result in one of these.
Compare ItsPopularNowItSucks
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[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
* With the switch from traditional to digital animation, it became much easier (and cheaper) for animation studios to fix mistakes. Nowadays, anime series will often have scenes - or on rare occasions ''entire episodes'' - cleaned up in the time between TV broadcast and the home video release. Fans usually welcome this. But, sometimes there's a show like ''Anime/MusashiGundoh'', whose popularity is based entirely on how hilariously awful it is. When the animators go back and fix the mistakes, fans complain because they considered the terrible animation a big part of its charm.
* The Latin American dub of ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' had a completely different (and worse, [[SoBadItsGood and much more fun]]) opening. When the series was re-released, the opening was changed to a translated version of "Pegasus Fantasy". Old-school fans (90% of the whole) didn't like it.
** Even if you don't speak Spanish, compare: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009GRHKykUk&feature=related So Bad It's Good Intro]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbVNSFVW_Q So Ok It's Average Intro]][[note]]To be fair, the opening is actually good (and above average for an intro) but there is no way it can compete with the NarmCharm of the original. This is true even for the more hardcore fans, who tend to prefer the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2zX-M2alQ Japanese Pegasus Fantasy.]][[/note]]
** That does not hold true of the Portuguese dub, however. Especially since the "Pegasus Fantasy" version that eventually ended up in the opening was sung by Music/{{Angra}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCV74ZtLx6I Edu Falaschi]].
* The English dub of ''Angel Blade'' gives all the women rounded even tones... including [[PsychopathicManchild Karin]], which isn't ravingly ''bad'' per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.
* The Ocean dub of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' has a huge number of fans, despite its strict adherence to NeverSayDie. The BGM and Vegeta's hammy voice (and MemeticMutation) are what make people prefer it.
** The Funimation dub of the same series, which was of similar quality (at least in its early days), also has its defenders compared to the much more polished dub of ''Anime/DragonBallKai'' by the same company.
** The original German dub produced by the TV company airing it had Vegeta voiced by the same voice actor who also dubbed "Family Matters" original Steve Urkel. Yeah, in the very same whiny, high-pitched voice. (Just imagine: *planet explodes* "Did I do that?")
* At one time, {{Creator/Netflix}} had the Japanese versions of the first four seasons of ''{{Franchise/Digimon}}'' but they were soon removed, as most American fans prefer the cornier, {{Bowdlerized}} versions from [[Creator/SabanEntertainment Saban.]]
* The Creator/VizMedia dub of ''Anime/SailorMoon'' is victim to this from people who watched the Creator/DiC dub in their childhoods. If you watch some of the sample clips on [=YouTube=], you'll see complaints such as Mamoru calling Usagi "bunhead" instead of "meatball head," or Luna not having a British accent. While several appreciated the re-dub with a pretty faithful translation, professional voice actors, keeping the original music, and no CutAndPasteTranslation, many of the aforementioned purists decry the Viz Media dub as much less fun to watch. Where's the [[HamAndCheese overly hammy]] voice acting? Where's the ridiculous American slang? The clumsy censorship? The unfitting voices? For some, the awkward localization of the original dub ironically added a whole new level of NarmCharm to a show that was already over-the-top to begin with, and it's just not ''Sailor Moon'' without it. One of the major points of contention is that the show is largely a comedy on top of being a MagicalGirlWarrior adventure, and those who prefer the 90's dub argue that while the Viz dub is more faithful, the dialogue and voice direction is not as funny or memorable compared to the improvisations and liberties added by [=DiC=]. The biggest thing that fans actually miss however is the soundtrack, which even the biggest critics of the [=DiC=] dub admitted was pretty awesome.
** ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' invoked this reaction in many fans of the 90's anime (both original and dub fans). Despite the former's promise of being [[TruerToTheText truer to the manga]], said fans found it boring without the sheer amount of {{camp}} and silliness of the original anime.
* Some fans of the [[LighterAndSofter tamer]], [[HurricaneOfPuns pun-laden]] dub of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', were disappointed by the straight video game adaptation ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' for not being cheesy.
* The US finally got a DVD release of ''Anime/TransformersHeadmasters''... with only subtitles. Many fans of the original god-awful HongKongDub (aired on Star TV in Asia) ''hated'' this, as it was considered the best reason to watch ''Headmasters''... otherwise many just found the show dull and repetitive.
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[[folder:Comic Books]]
* The character of Frank Drake in 1970s Marvel Comic ''Comicbook/TheTombOfDracula'' was originally an emasculated neurotic and certified wimp when it came to women and anything else for that matter. His more mature self, as seen in the 1990s ''Nightstalkers'', is your typical sanest member of the group. But that's because he's a cardboard Ghostbuster clone without the comedy part. Actually without a personality of any type.
* Speedball was a '60s comic character created in the '80s, with all the Narm you could shake a stick at. His power was just being able to bounce really well, and the less said about his costume, the better. Mocking him was par for the course among fans. Then came the "ComicBook/CivilWar" storyline, in which his inability to save a school full of kids led him to change: his powers were now activated by pain and he changed his name to Penance, complete with an Iron-Maiden-like costume, becoming a full-on NinetiesAntiHero. No one liked it, and after a while, the old, silly Speedball returned.
* Since the book's rediscovery, there have been a number of attempts to "revive" the cult-favorite public-domain superhero ''ComicBook/StardustTheSuperWizard''. These attempts usually aren't very popular with ''Stardust'' fans, since when you take out the [[OffModel badly-proportioned artwork,]] [[RandomEventsPlot nonsensical plots,]] and [[UnscrupulousHero the protagonist's]] love of [[InferredHolocaust wanton murder]] and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath needlessly elaborate punishment,]] you just have a generic superhero story where the main character has a really ugly costume. Even writers who do try to recreate those elements rarely tune into [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs whatever insane wavelength Fletcher Hanks was on]], and just come across as trying too hard to match the original.
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[[folder:Comic Strips]]
* After it underwent CerebusSyndrome in the 90s, ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' became a famed piece of SnarkBait for it's [[{{Narm}} overwrought melodrama]], [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy obsession with being as depressing as possible]], and equally-odd preoccupation with TheTopicOfCancer. Then in 2015 onward, Tom Batiuk turned into a major party-pooper by listening to the criticisms and [[LighterAndSofter lightening things up]]. It didn't make the strip actually ''good''; it just sucked out a lot of the unintentional hilarity by replacing the {{Glurge}} with self-aggrandizing AuthorAppeal that wasn't nearly as much fun to read.
* Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon and many others took up this line of thought sometime after ComicStrip/DickTracy changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "[[MemeticPsychopath the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth]]."
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[[folder:Fanfiction]]
* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' FanFiction writer Stephen Ratliff once wrote an update to his Fanfic/MarissaPicard story ''Time Speeder'' called ''Athena Prospects''. Anyone who has read both stories knows that Athena Prospects is a much better story than Time Speeder, although it's still pretty bad. Time Speeder, by contrast, is ''way'' more fun to read because all the incredibly stupid stuff is in it. Such as the two villains checking into hotels as James Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard. In a universe where all the ''Star Trek'' shows are accurate foretelling of the future (!) or when Saddam Hussein takes over the entire Middle East in a throwaway line.
* The chapters of ''FanFic/ThePrayerWarriors'' written by Thomas are chock-full of embarrassing spelling errors, unbelievably awkward dialogue, heavy-handed and rather disturbing preaching slapping the reader in the face every other word, and just plain lazy writing. The chapters written by Ebony are... kinda okay, with a little less religious themes, slightly improved spelling, and actually listening to bad reviews instead of just screaming about the fires of hell. The chapters written by Thomas are a lot more fun to read because of this.
* The Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion fanfic ''Fanfic/NeonGenesisEvangelionIIDeltaInvasion'' is an [[SoBadItsGood honored favorite]] among the community for how nonsensical and shameless it is. When the author pulled it from the sites it was hosted on and replaced it with "Gates of Oblivion", it was just as poorly written and self-serving, except it no longer had the spelling and grammar errors and sheer audacity that made the original so much fun to read.
* {{Franchise/Transformers}} ''Beast Wars'' fanfic author William A. Renfield was quite popular for his early Echowarrior fanfics on the TF usenet group alt.toys.transformers in the late 90s...mostly because they were horrible self-insertion schlock. Hey, he was 12. Fast forward to WAR's material 6-7 years later now as a young adult, which had settled into the mediocre range...and zero people caring about it.
* There's a side story of sorts to the infamous ''FanFic/MyImmortal'', called ''I'm Not Okay'' and supposedly written by Tara's beta reader, Raven (whether it was written by a real person named Raven, an imitator, or the same writer as ''My Immortal'' is [[PoesLaw impossible to determine]]). It's very similar to ''My Immortal'' (obsession with goth culture, InNameOnly characterization, short chapters, extremely obvious Mary Sue protagonist), but a considerable step up in terms of spelling, grammar, fidelity to the source material, and overall coherence. It ends up feeling a bit like the sort of story that ''My Immortal'' was intended to be. It's also nowhere near as famous, as said step up is only into the realm of half-functional mediocrity rather than incomprehensible failure. It didn't help that it became a DeadFic only a few chapters in, while its counterpart made it past 40 chapters; one theory about its abandonment is that it simply wasn't as fun to write or attracting as much attention as ''My Immortal.''
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[[folder:Film]]
* ''{{Film/Birdemic}}'' is terrible to a legendary degree. Awful acting, awful scripting, awful effects. It's a disaster in every possible way, and it's perhaps the perfect movie for people who like movies that are the exact opposite of perfect. Then, a couple of years later, a sequel came out. Unlike many examples on this page, ''Film/Birdemic2TheResurrection'' is actually really terrible, as well. However, ''Birdemic 2'' is terrible ''on purpose''. Now that he had an actual budget, James Nguyen was clearly spent it all trying to make the sequel equally bad, but it just ended up feeling forced and overly self-referential, and it was a ''lot'' less fun to watch.
* The Creator/AngLee-directed ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' tried to be serious, but some people felt it had cheesy lines, poor acting, an awful pace, and dodgy effects (such as bouncy tanks) which to them, made the film become a humorous example of SoBadItsGood. Then [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk the second film]] actually didn't suck and was instead... [[SoOkayItsAverage watchable]]. Good if you're a fan of the film, not so good if you enjoyed laughing at it. Then again, a similar argument could be made for those who preferred the charm of [[Series/TheIncredibleHulk the low-budget TV series]] over the first big-budget movie's excesses.
* The original ''Film/DeathRace2000'' was great, schlocky, over-the-top Roger Corman-esque fare, perfect for [[Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3K]]-style ribbing. ''Film/DeathRace'', the remake, was a watchable action flick (and featured the presence of Jason Statham) but felt like the soul had been ripped out of the concept.
* Likewise, if you can find it, the Creator/RogerCorman ''Film/TheFantasticFour'' film from the early 1990s is SoBadItsGood, compared to the two SoOkayItsAverage 2000s [[Film/FantasticFour2005 films]].
** On the other hand, all three are being held in higher regard than ''Film/FantasticFour2015'', if only because they're having some fun with the source material instead of taking it on a DarkerAndEdgier approach. Although this case is more in the line of "I like it better when it sucks ''less''" as the new reboot is considered [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dull, lifeless]] and plagued with [[EightDeadlyWords underdeveloped characters nobody cares about]] by many fans.
* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighter'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese absurdity and camp, while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]] with any camp kept to a minimum. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as goofy, and ends up being far less charming or fun to watch while also being nowhere near actual quality.
* While in real life, ''Film/StarTrek2009'' was a hit among Trekkies and layfolk, the new movie's slick production values combined with this to make a [[https://entertainment.theonion.com/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable-1819594814 great Onion News Network piece]].
** That brings us some amusing comments from viewers complaining about the dazzling action scenes and fast-paced writing. "Where's the heavy-handed moralism and political commentary? Why aren't the fights more like two out-of-shape guys in rubber suits doing lame karate chops at each other? The bridge is supposed to look like it's made out of cardboard and plywood!"
* The notoriously trashy 1992 Hong Kong production ''Naked Killer'' originally sported hilariously badly-translated English subtitles (featuring such unforgettable lines as "When I saw Kitty, I had priapism!") which many viewers felt enhanced the delirious experience of the film. The "digitally restored and remastered" DVD featured newly (and apparently, more accurately) translated subtitles, which rather spoiled the fun for fans of the original version.
* The film adaptation of ''Film/FiftyShadesOfGrey'' took a lot of heat for toning down the book's more outre elements, including getting rid of the "Inner Goddess" bits entirely. Turns out that when you try to make this story more respectable, there's nothing of interest left.
* The first set of chapters to Music/RKelly's infamous [[RockOpera hip-hopera]] ''Music/TrappedInTheCloset'' are about as [[{{Narm}} gut-bustingly melodramatic]] as a [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative feature-length R&B ballad music video]] gets, and are legendarily [[SoBadItsGood hysterical as a result]]. Then Kelly and the filmmakers became serious party poopers and made the second set of chapters a borderline [[DenserAndWackier straightforward comedy]].
* The ''Film/LostInSpace'' movie toned down the {{Camp}} and replaced the [[SpecialEffectFailure cheesy special effects]] with CGI. The [[Series/LostInSpace TV show]] was SoBadItsGood, but the movie was just SoOkayItsAverage at best.
* When the trailers of ''Film/{{Sonic the Hedgehog|2020}}'' first dropped, it showed off a design of Sonic for live-action that looked terrible in just about every way. Reception was so bad that the studio actually ''delayed the film'' to rework it. When new trailers dropped showing off [[AuthorsSavingThrow a different Sonic design]], the response was generally that [[WinBackTheCrowd the new design looked great.]] This proved disappointing for a handful of people who thought the film didn't look promising otherwise and hoped a hideous UncannyValley protagonist would push it into SoBadItsGood territory.
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[[folder:Literature]]
* In an Italian short story, there's an in-universe example. A third-rate writer hires an incredibly incompetent typist, in the hope that her typos will turn his trite works into surreal humor masterpieces. It works, and in little time the author is hailed as a comic genius. That's when the typist, seeing her employer's success, decides he deserves better and takes typing lessons, leading to his downfall.
* Creator/TyraBanks's novel ''Literature/{{Modelland}}'' is so bad that most positive reviews agreed it needed additional editing before being released. However, the parts that aren't horrible and confused are just... dull. The book is a mix of so-bad-they're-good parts and mediocre, forgettable parts.
* ''{{Literature/Maradonia|Saga}} and the Seven Bridges'' was edited and split into two books. The new versions have a few improvements, such as removing some of the stupidest elements in the original. This ended up ruining much of the [[{{Narm}} unintentional hilarity]] that made the book fun to read at times, and didn't even come close to turning it into a legitimately ''good'' work. With that said, the new versions did introduce a couple of new stupid moments.
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[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
* One of the (many) reasons that ''Series/BattlestarGalactica1978'' fans were unimpressed by the [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 re-imagined series]] was the eschewing of the cheesy storylines and character designs for a tone that was deadly serious. The silly names were now just call signs. The Cylons had upgraded to look human, and even the foot-soldiers didn't speak, thus no "By your command!" And Baltar was a scientist rather than a scenery-chewing villain.
* The [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci-Fi Channel]] original series update of ''Series/{{Flash Gordon|2007}}'' suffered from this as well, turning Ming (who is hardly Merciless) into a milquetoast CorruptCorporateExecutive [[RecycledINSPACE IN]] [[AnotherDimension AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION]]!, the Hawkmen into vagrants who only THINK they can fly, etc. This from a franchise whose [[Film/FlashGordon1980 most recognizable entry]] was the most gleefully campy movie since the 1966 Batman movie (curiously, both by the same writer).
* The ''Series/EurovisionSongContest'' is better when the acts are crazy, nonsensical and generally bad. The 2009 contest failed in some respects because most of the acts were neither truly good nor [[SoBadItsGood so bad they were good]].
** There's a very good example of the difference between 2008 (ridiculous) and 2009 (serious business) by ways of Estonia on that page.
* Invoked in one episode of ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'', where Crow and Tom spend a segment complaining about the antiquated encyclopedias on the Satellite of Love (so old, in fact, that they include a picture of Stonehenge under "construction"), only for the encyclopedias to be replaced with a brand new set featuring an internet uplink for constant updates... which fails to satisfy Crow and Tom, who thought it was much more fun to [[{{MST}} mock]] the old encyclopedias.
* Invoked by Doug Naylor when fans tell him that they preferred the first two series of ''Series/RedDwarf'' because of the dull grey sets and cheap props and costumes. He and Rob Grant never intended the show to ever look cheap but were stifled by a lack of money for anything better.
* A lot of fans brought up on the original ''Series/DoctorWho'' initially rejoiced that it was coming back, but... were turned off by factors including the vastly improved sets and glossy American-styled production values. This massive FanDiscontinuity will happily accept the original series was marked by low budget, unconvincing costumes and cheap wobbly sets - but will insist they ''preferred'' it that way, so why did the BBC ruin it by trying to make it better, to the point where it isn't really Dr Who any more?
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[[folder:Music]]
* The Portsmouth Sinfonia was an orchestra founded in 1970, made up of people who didn't know how to play their instruments (really, that was one of the requirements - they would allow musicians to join, but on the condition that they were unfamiliar with the instrument they chose). Well-known songs were given them to play, and [[HilarityEnsues the results were hilarious]]. Nearly a decade later, everyone had learned to play those instruments and the popularity of the symphony declined as it lost its novelty factor. The orchestra ceased performing in 1979.
** [[FridgeLogic Wonder why the members didn't periodically switch to other instruments they didn't know how to play?]]
* Music/TheShaggs were awful musicians when ''Philosophy of The World'', their most famous album, came out. Later recordings show them to be much more experienced with their instruments, and actually listenable, if not quite good. The band was even booked to play at dances in their native New Hampshire. These later recordings are nowhere near as well known as ''Philosophy'' is, owing to them being fairly non-descript and somewhat bland. The group wasn't particularly unique once they were able to play with some level of competence. Dot Wiggin is a ''much'' better musician than when she was a teenager, and a few of her songs are actually quite good, though it's unlikely she'll ever make it out of obscurity.
* Music/TheMostUnwantedSong was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on Website/YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece straight out of the most boring parts of 90s easy listening]]. Which was, indeed, the entire point.
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[[folder:Radio]]
* One episode of ''Radio/ThisAmericanLife'' entitled "[[http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/61/fiasco Fiasco!]]" explicitly discusses this. The interviewee describes seeing a catastrophic stage production of ''Peter Pan'', and admits there was a tipping point after which the crowd had turned on the performers and wanted the show to continue to fail. As he admits, had the show gone off flawlessly from that point, he would have been extremely disappointed.
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[[folder:Theater]]
* The Broadway musical version of ''Theatre/LittleShopOfHorrors'' got poor reviews. The most common critical opinion was that the appeal of most productions was their low-budget intimacy, and the crazy special effects and massive stage of the Broadway production just felt wrong.
* The original run of the musical version of ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'' was best remembered for two things: the astronomical [[TroubledProduction amount of time and money]] poured into it and its spectacular awfulness it resulted in. Twenty-some years later, a revival, which amended many of the original's shortcomings, was dismissed for being completely forgettable.
* The [[SelfDeprecation incredibly self-aware]] ScreenToStageAdaptation of the [[SoBadItsGood ironic classic]] ''Film/{{Xanadu}}'' was dismissed by hardcore fans who felt that all the show did was explain the joke.
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[[folder:Video Games]]
* When ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' received an UpdatedRerelease for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]] as War of the Lions, fans lamented the loss of much of the game's NarmCharm derived from poorly translated lines. Additionally, some fans felt that the original translation, while quite spotty in several areas, was still far from the incomprehensible mess some people make it out to be, and that the excessive PurpleProse used in War of the Lions translation is thoroughly unnecessary, makes the game harder to understand, and makes a lot of the dialouge feel sterile and emotionless.
* A chunk of the original ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'''s fanbase was put off by the [=GameCube=] remake of the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually, for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.
* The ''VideoGame/HouseOfTheDead'' series used to be known as a rich source of weapons-grade NarmCharm and MemeticMutation. The quality of the voice acting improved dramatically in part 3 and it's even within a hair's breadth of actually being ''good'' in the fourth game. Enough people missed the endearingly god-awful dialogue from parts 1 and 2 that the next game, ''Overkill'', employs StylisticSuck and deliberately aims for a grindhouse B-movie approach.
* ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' and its remade dialogue in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaTheDraculaXChronicles''. The original dialogue was totally cheesy, but a rich well of NarmCharm and a FountainOfMemes. The new one? It's better dialogue, but it's not nearly as [[HamAndCheese hammy]] or fun to listen to.
* Some fans of ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake'' prefer the hilarious borderline-{{Engrish}} fan translation of the MSX version, complete with ComicBookFantasyCasting digitised portraits of celebrities, to the official translation included on the ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence]]'' disc.
* ''VideoGame/BigRigsOverTheRoadRacing'' series:
** A patch for the game does very little to improve the gameplay (the opponent which used to not move now moves very slowly, but still doesn't reach the finish line), but what it does do is take the [[MemeticMutation iconic "You're Winner!" image]] and replaces it with "You Win!". [[FlatJoy Yay.]]
** ''Big Rigs'' has a sequel, named ''Midnight Race Club: Supercharged!'' It's barely remembered, mainly because there's actually collision detection and a moving opponent. It's mostly considered very mediocre.
* ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForceInsectArmageddon'', the western developed spin-off of the notoriously campy ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForce'' series, made many improvements to the controls, graphics and framerate. They also hired top-tier voice talent like Steve Blum and Cam Clarke. Many fans disliked the changes as they came at the cost of the cheesy B-movie absurdity and shoddy production values that gave the series its cult status.
* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'': The series started to fall into this trope after 1998 with the jump to 3D. The 3D games were rather infamous for their questionable control schemes, linear and automated level designs, and having multiple gameplay styles that were required for 100% completion. On top of that, the games started to put a way bigger emphasis on dramatic plots and characterization, with very dubious success due to translations from the Japanese scripts as well as voice acting. Critical reception to these games was heavily mixed, but this is also the biggest NewbieBoom the series experienced as a new generation of fans who started with the Gamecube port of ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2''. This is also the time when many fan favorite characters were introduced to the series (Shadow, Silver, etc etc), so these games developed quite a cult following despite the mixed reception. It helps that while the games weren't exactly ''good'', they were still considered playable. After the [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 infamous game in 2006]] however, the series scaled back heavily on these elements, resulting in a bit of a BrokenBase between the ones who preferred the older, more ambitious direction from before and feel the newer games play things too safe and are too juvenile. It doesn't help that the newer games received far better critical reception and were much more publicly accepted compared to the games that came before which divides people even more.
** ''VideoGame/SonicBoom: Rise of Lyric'' was patched to remove GoodBadBugs such as the infamous Knuckles infinite jump glitch. It also fixed some actual gameplay problems, but it's still regarded as an unenjoyable game. Previously, ''Rise of Lyric'' was an ObviousBeta that was more fun to break than to actually play, then the game was patched, significantly cutting what entertainment value there was in it, and is now considered a resoundingly boring, mediocre game.
* There have always been bugs of all kinds in ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'', the most infamous ones being lighting and world generation bugs. As much as they sucked, fans came to grin and snark alike when they came across them -- until they slowly began to be fixed. A lot of people were nostalgic about the loss of these hilarious EpicFail bugs. So much, that some of them were put back in the game due to popular demand.
* ''[[VideoGame/PrincessMaker Princess Maker 2]]'' was translated into English twice, due to the original publisher falling through. The original dialogue was a bit of a mess, but it was cheesy and fun to read. Many players dislike the new translation for fixing such mistakes as [[ItMakesSenseInContext Wendy's fixation on "Magician Girls!"]]
* The creators of ''VideoGame/RainbowSixSiege'' have stated this of Tachanka. Widely seen as the worst character by a wide margin, he also happens to be the most popular, and much of this popularity comes from what an absolute joke he is; in a game all about mobility and flanking, his unique trick is to park himself in one spot and become a sitting duck. Add in his HuskyRusskie personality and giant machine gun, and you have a recipe for a MemeticBadass and a MemeticLoser at the same time. They could probably rework him to be more useful or more fitting ''Siege'''s design, but then he wouldn't be LORD TACHANKA anymore.
* The English names of the Maverick bosses in ''VideoGame/MegaManX5'' were changed to be references to Music/GunsNRoses members, which was a contentious decision back then, but the names, particularly the incredibly silly-sounding Duff [=McWhalen=], grew on the fanbase. When the ''Mega Man X Legacy Collection'' changed their names back to the original Japanese versions, a subsection of the fanbase voiced their displeasure that Duff [=McWhalen=] was reverted to the more generic-sounding "Tidal Whale."
* Fans of ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776'' were a little displeased when the creators of the Project Exile translation figured out that Orsin's WeaponOfChoice [[SpellMyNameWithAnS was meant to be named after]] [[AluminumChristmasTrees a real-life weapon called the Bhuj.]] Previous fan translations had written it as "Pugi", which was a lot dumber and a lot more fun to say, especially when the Pugi was the game's DiscOneNuke and essential for beating the very difficult early maps. Hardcore ChallengeGamer-types rambling about the greatness of a weapon that sounded like a nickname you'd give a very stupid dog just wasn't an experience you got anywhere else.
* ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}'' has cacophonous music, pug-ugly graphics, monotonous and grindy gameplay, a hilariously edgy tone, a nonsensical plot, absurd concepts, and approximately one-fourth of a likeable character in its entire cast. It was all these traits that earned it a strong cult following who saw it as a fascinating trainwreck like few others in its genre. ''VideoGame/Drakengard2'' got rid of the first game's director, and it shows: the graphics look better, the plot is more understandable, and the characters are less hideously unlikable. This raised it up from "fascinating trainwreck like no other" to "generic JRPG you rent once, beat in a weekend, and then never play or think about again", and as a result the fandom has mostly ignored it.
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* TV Tropes. Before the policies on this Wiki changed (specifically, before the implementation of a far stricter Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment, a stricter ban on Administrivia/{{Natter}}, and the YMMV tab) there were lively debates and conversations on some of the entries, although they could easily descend to tiring arguments. Some tropers are still nostalgic for the older version of the website.
* Creator/DougWalker mentions this in one of his out-of-character ''{{Literature/Twilight}}'' film reviews: the first two movies were SoBadItsGood, but ''Eclipse'' was actually pretty competent and thus not as fun.
* {{Discussed}} by [[WebVideo/LifesAGlitchTV LAG TV]]'s hosts when fans asked them to play more ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'' after three years of silence. A large part of the fun was watching Maximus Black [[EpicFail failing and dying in hilarious ways]], all while [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl Screaming Like A Little Girl]]; however, in the intervening time Jeff got better at the game, so he and Adam outright told the viewers that they wouldn't enjoy new ''Minecraft'' videos nearly as much as the old ones for this very reason.
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[[folder:Western Animation]]
* Happens InUniverse in the ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' episode "Wacky Deli": Ralph Bighead hires Rocko, Heffer, and Filbert to create the worst possible show ever in an effort to get out of his contract. [[SpringtimeForHitler Of course, it becomes a hit]]...until Ralph decides to actually put thought and effort into it, at which point it's swiftly canceled.
* The original ''WesternAnimation/BikerMiceFromMars'' series' dub became popular in Finland because it was filled with {{double entendre}}s and overall silliness. When the new series started airing in Finland, fans weren't happy with its new toned-down dialogue.
* ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' is notorious for being, at times, [[InsaneTrollLogic aggressively anti-logical]]. The incoherent plots and ridiculously cookie-cutter nature of the characters is what makes it fun to watch.
** So when the show was retooled in the mid-eighties, well, it just wasn't as much fun anymore. The show was still bad, but now it was just generically bad like any other '80s cartoon. No more plots about Brainiac trying to steal the world's supply of credit. No more Aquaman accidentally destroying the entire Asian Pacific seaboard and using the same "Oh no!" tone of voice he uses when Gleek makes a stupid joke. No more crazy [[StrawFeminist feminists]] mind-controlling all the women in the world into turning men into data on microchips. It just wasn't the same.
** At some point in the '90s, the ComicBook/WonderTwins were re-integrated into the DC Universe and given a DarkerAndEdgier backstory which made them into oppressed slaves. Wrap your head around that. Serious Wonder Twins? What's the point?
* The original ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' had bad dialogue, low quality animation, [[SoUnfunnyItsFunny bad jokes]] and [[JigsawPuzzlePlot ridiculous plots]] as the "monster's" reason for being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after when aired years after the time it's set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along [[NarmCharm removing these charming factors]] and making it a lot less fun. It's felt that a number of later installments lack the original's lasting charm because of this.
* This is considered the reason why the "Red Sky" ReTool seasons for ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987'' flopped. All the goofiness and stupidity of the '80s cartoon was removed... and what we got was a generic mid-'90s action cartoon that took itself too seriously.
* A good chunk of ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'' fans take this view towards more modern interpretations. The 80s cartoon was solid cheese and flatly ridiculous, as a near-platonic ideal of the stupid 80s cartoon, with its [[MerchandiseDriven blatant toy advertisement]], thick HoYay, nonsense plots, and lovably pathetic villains. The reboots, such as the comics or the 2000s series, remove as much of this as possible... and the result is a generic piece of SwordAndSorcery about a very serious generic muscled dude with a sword fighting a very serious generic EvilOverlord, only [[TheArtifact everyone's still got names like]] Stinkor or Fisto.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' features ridiculous plots like Megatron trying to knock the moon out of its orbit so that he can flood a canyon or Optimus Prime playing basketball, Megatron and Starscream act LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and the animation is more frequently OffModel than not. The end result is an absurd and often-stupid cartoon that many remember fondly. Many works that try to pull directly from the cartoon in the modern day like the Dreamwave comics, Deviations, and Wings of Honor tend to get fairly lukewarm responses, as they usually end up bland instead of hilariously-corny.
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[[folder:Real Life]]
* The takeover of [[TheAllegedCar Škoda]] by Volkswagen, leading to their cars becoming actually good. Annoying for budding comedians, as suddenly Skoda jokes didn't work (well, other than the ones in the adverts that went "[[SelfDeprecation It's a Škoda]]. [[WeDontSuckAnymore Honest.]]").
* "Ken Lee", a garbled pronunciation of "Can't Live" from Music/MariahCarey's cover of the Music/{{Badfinger}} song "Without You", as sung by Valentina Hasan, was an [[MemeticMutation internet meme]], almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The SoBadItsGood silliness was lost and it became SoOkayItsAverage.
* Many New Yorkers think that Times Square was more fun when it was [[TheBigRottenApple a seedy haven for porno theaters]] before Rudy Giuliani cleaned it and the city as a whole up in TheNineties. This is the reaction of many longtime residents of gentrified cities in general.
* This can be seen as a phenomenon in sports; especially in football (the sort played by eleven men a side with a round ball). Teams like Manchester United and Manchester City, paradoxically, ''lost'' some fans when they stopped being underachievers, and began to actually win cups and championships, with monotonous and robotic regularity. Pointing to the "old days" when Man U were a struggling side mired in mediocrity and - incredibly - financial problems (but who showed occassional flashes of erratic genius), a former fan said "It's no fun now they're actually ''winning'' every week. I enjoyed it more when you came out of the ground despairing. They've taken the uncertainty out of it."
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SoBadItsGood can be popular to the point that a whole fandom can arise out of a mocked work. This is the magic of {{Camp}}, in that even if the writers weren't trying to be tacitly absurd, it's still possible to get a lot of legitimate enjoyment and laughs out of it if the writing is bad enough.
Sometimes, though, a copyright holder will try to fix the image of the SoBadItsGood franchise by trying to give it a [[ContinuityReboot Reboot]]. The purpose being, hopefully, to make what once was {{Camp}} serious drama. When this falls by the wayside, the viewers get a poor result. The show is no longer SoBadItsGood, but now it's SoOkayItsAverage. In other words, a thorough "meh". Still bad, but not ''so'' bad that it's fun to mock anymore.
This is also a common reaction to the patching of bad games that had a saving grace in the form of GoodBadBugs. More often than not, said bugs are the easiest things to fix, and so the fun to be had in thoroughly breaking the game is removed by the patch, while the more deeply ingrained mediocrity of such a game often remains. Even good games can get this reaction if the bugs were fun enough to play with, resulting in that aspect of the game falling into this trope.
'''This is ''only'' for fans who honestly felt the original sucked SoBadItsGood.''' If the fans didn't think the original sucked, or if they honestly liked features that were removed on their own merits -- or if nostalgia means that they just hate change -- then that belongs under TheyChangedItNowItSucks and NostalgiaFilter instead.
This is, to a great extent, incredibly subjective. Note that the perceptions listed here are ''general'' perceptions of a work as a whole.
Contrast NarmCharm. This is the lack -- more specifically, the loss -- thereof. Also see GenreThrowback, which may or may not result in one of these.
Compare ItsPopularNowItSucks
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[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
* With the switch from traditional to digital animation, it became much easier (and cheaper) for animation studios to fix mistakes. Nowadays, anime series will often have scenes - or on rare occasions ''entire episodes'' - cleaned up in the time between TV broadcast and the home video release. Fans usually welcome this. But, sometimes there's a show like ''Anime/MusashiGundoh'', whose popularity is based entirely on how hilariously awful it is. When the animators go back and fix the mistakes, fans complain because they considered the terrible animation a big part of its charm.
* The Latin American dub of ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' had a completely different (and worse, [[SoBadItsGood and much more fun]]) opening. When the series was re-released, the opening was changed to a translated version of "Pegasus Fantasy". Old-school fans (90% of the whole) didn't like it.
** Even if you don't speak Spanish, compare: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009GRHKykUk&feature=related So Bad It's Good Intro]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbVNSFVW_Q So Ok It's Average Intro]][[note]]To be fair, the opening is actually good (and above average for an intro) but there is no way it can compete with the NarmCharm of the original. This is true even for the more hardcore fans, who tend to prefer the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2zX-M2alQ Japanese Pegasus Fantasy.]][[/note]]
** That does not hold true of the Portuguese dub, however. Especially since the "Pegasus Fantasy" version that eventually ended up in the opening was sung by Music/{{Angra}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCV74ZtLx6I Edu Falaschi]].
* The English dub of ''Angel Blade'' gives all the women rounded even tones... including [[PsychopathicManchild Karin]], which isn't ravingly ''bad'' per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.
* The Ocean dub of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' has a huge number of fans, despite its strict adherence to NeverSayDie. The BGM and Vegeta's hammy voice (and MemeticMutation) are what make people prefer it.
** The Funimation dub of the same series, which was of similar quality (at least in its early days), also has its defenders compared to the much more polished dub of ''Anime/DragonBallKai'' by the same company.
** The original German dub produced by the TV company airing it had Vegeta voiced by the same voice actor who also dubbed "Family Matters" original Steve Urkel. Yeah, in the very same whiny, high-pitched voice. (Just imagine: *planet explodes* "Did I do that?")
* At one time, {{Creator/Netflix}} had the Japanese versions of the first four seasons of ''{{Franchise/Digimon}}'' but they were soon removed, as most American fans prefer the cornier, {{Bowdlerized}} versions from [[Creator/SabanEntertainment Saban.]]
* The Creator/VizMedia dub of ''Anime/SailorMoon'' is victim to this from people who watched the Creator/DiC dub in their childhoods. If you watch some of the sample clips on [=YouTube=], you'll see complaints such as Mamoru calling Usagi "bunhead" instead of "meatball head," or Luna not having a British accent. While several appreciated the re-dub with a pretty faithful translation, professional voice actors, keeping the original music, and no CutAndPasteTranslation, many of the aforementioned purists decry the Viz Media dub as much less fun to watch. Where's the [[HamAndCheese overly hammy]] voice acting? Where's the ridiculous American slang? The clumsy censorship? The unfitting voices? For some, the awkward localization of the original dub ironically added a whole new level of NarmCharm to a show that was already over-the-top to begin with, and it's just not ''Sailor Moon'' without it. One of the major points of contention is that the show is largely a comedy on top of being a MagicalGirlWarrior adventure, and those who prefer the 90's dub argue that while the Viz dub is more faithful, the dialogue and voice direction is not as funny or memorable compared to the improvisations and liberties added by [=DiC=]. The biggest thing that fans actually miss however is the soundtrack, which even the biggest critics of the [=DiC=] dub admitted was pretty awesome.
** ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' invoked this reaction in many fans of the 90's anime (both original and dub fans). Despite the former's promise of being [[TruerToTheText truer to the manga]], said fans found it boring without the sheer amount of {{camp}} and silliness of the original anime.
* Some fans of the [[LighterAndSofter tamer]], [[HurricaneOfPuns pun-laden]] dub of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', were disappointed by the straight video game adaptation ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' for not being cheesy.
* The US finally got a DVD release of ''Anime/TransformersHeadmasters''... with only subtitles. Many fans of the original god-awful HongKongDub (aired on Star TV in Asia) ''hated'' this, as it was considered the best reason to watch ''Headmasters''... otherwise many just found the show dull and repetitive.
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[[folder:Comic Books]]
* The character of Frank Drake in 1970s Marvel Comic ''Comicbook/TheTombOfDracula'' was originally an emasculated neurotic and certified wimp when it came to women and anything else for that matter. His more mature self, as seen in the 1990s ''Nightstalkers'', is your typical sanest member of the group. But that's because he's a cardboard Ghostbuster clone without the comedy part. Actually without a personality of any type.
* Speedball was a '60s comic character created in the '80s, with all the Narm you could shake a stick at. His power was just being able to bounce really well, and the less said about his costume, the better. Mocking him was par for the course among fans. Then came the "ComicBook/CivilWar" storyline, in which his inability to save a school full of kids led him to change: his powers were now activated by pain and he changed his name to Penance, complete with an Iron-Maiden-like costume, becoming a full-on NinetiesAntiHero. No one liked it, and after a while, the old, silly Speedball returned.
* Since the book's rediscovery, there have been a number of attempts to "revive" the cult-favorite public-domain superhero ''ComicBook/StardustTheSuperWizard''. These attempts usually aren't very popular with ''Stardust'' fans, since when you take out the [[OffModel badly-proportioned artwork,]] [[RandomEventsPlot nonsensical plots,]] and [[UnscrupulousHero the protagonist's]] love of [[InferredHolocaust wanton murder]] and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath needlessly elaborate punishment,]] you just have a generic superhero story where the main character has a really ugly costume. Even writers who do try to recreate those elements rarely tune into [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs whatever insane wavelength Fletcher Hanks was on]], and just come across as trying too hard to match the original.
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* After it underwent CerebusSyndrome in the 90s, ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' became a famed piece of SnarkBait for it's [[{{Narm}} overwrought melodrama]], [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy obsession with being as depressing as possible]], and equally-odd preoccupation with TheTopicOfCancer. Then in 2015 onward, Tom Batiuk turned into a major party-pooper by listening to the criticisms and [[LighterAndSofter lightening things up]]. It didn't make the strip actually ''good''; it just sucked out a lot of the unintentional hilarity by replacing the {{Glurge}} with self-aggrandizing AuthorAppeal that wasn't nearly as much fun to read.
* Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon and many others took up this line of thought sometime after ComicStrip/DickTracy changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "[[MemeticPsychopath the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth]]."
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[[folder:Fanfiction]]
* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' FanFiction writer Stephen Ratliff once wrote an update to his Fanfic/MarissaPicard story ''Time Speeder'' called ''Athena Prospects''. Anyone who has read both stories knows that Athena Prospects is a much better story than Time Speeder, although it's still pretty bad. Time Speeder, by contrast, is ''way'' more fun to read because all the incredibly stupid stuff is in it. Such as the two villains checking into hotels as James Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard. In a universe where all the ''Star Trek'' shows are accurate foretelling of the future (!) or when Saddam Hussein takes over the entire Middle East in a throwaway line.
* The chapters of ''FanFic/ThePrayerWarriors'' written by Thomas are chock-full of embarrassing spelling errors, unbelievably awkward dialogue, heavy-handed and rather disturbing preaching slapping the reader in the face every other word, and just plain lazy writing. The chapters written by Ebony are... kinda okay, with a little less religious themes, slightly improved spelling, and actually listening to bad reviews instead of just screaming about the fires of hell. The chapters written by Thomas are a lot more fun to read because of this.
* The Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion fanfic ''Fanfic/NeonGenesisEvangelionIIDeltaInvasion'' is an [[SoBadItsGood honored favorite]] among the community for how nonsensical and shameless it is. When the author pulled it from the sites it was hosted on and replaced it with "Gates of Oblivion", it was just as poorly written and self-serving, except it no longer had the spelling and grammar errors and sheer audacity that made the original so much fun to read.
* {{Franchise/Transformers}} ''Beast Wars'' fanfic author William A. Renfield was quite popular for his early Echowarrior fanfics on the TF usenet group alt.toys.transformers in the late 90s...mostly because they were horrible self-insertion schlock. Hey, he was 12. Fast forward to WAR's material 6-7 years later now as a young adult, which had settled into the mediocre range...and zero people caring about it.
* There's a side story of sorts to the infamous ''FanFic/MyImmortal'', called ''I'm Not Okay'' and supposedly written by Tara's beta reader, Raven (whether it was written by a real person named Raven, an imitator, or the same writer as ''My Immortal'' is [[PoesLaw impossible to determine]]). It's very similar to ''My Immortal'' (obsession with goth culture, InNameOnly characterization, short chapters, extremely obvious Mary Sue protagonist), but a considerable step up in terms of spelling, grammar, fidelity to the source material, and overall coherence. It ends up feeling a bit like the sort of story that ''My Immortal'' was intended to be. It's also nowhere near as famous, as said step up is only into the realm of half-functional mediocrity rather than incomprehensible failure. It didn't help that it became a DeadFic only a few chapters in, while its counterpart made it past 40 chapters; one theory about its abandonment is that it simply wasn't as fun to write or attracting as much attention as ''My Immortal.''
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[[folder:Film]]
* ''{{Film/Birdemic}}'' is terrible to a legendary degree. Awful acting, awful scripting, awful effects. It's a disaster in every possible way, and it's perhaps the perfect movie for people who like movies that are the exact opposite of perfect. Then, a couple of years later, a sequel came out. Unlike many examples on this page, ''Film/Birdemic2TheResurrection'' is actually really terrible, as well. However, ''Birdemic 2'' is terrible ''on purpose''. Now that he had an actual budget, James Nguyen was clearly spent it all trying to make the sequel equally bad, but it just ended up feeling forced and overly self-referential, and it was a ''lot'' less fun to watch.
* The Creator/AngLee-directed ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' tried to be serious, but some people felt it had cheesy lines, poor acting, an awful pace, and dodgy effects (such as bouncy tanks) which to them, made the film become a humorous example of SoBadItsGood. Then [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk the second film]] actually didn't suck and was instead... [[SoOkayItsAverage watchable]]. Good if you're a fan of the film, not so good if you enjoyed laughing at it. Then again, a similar argument could be made for those who preferred the charm of [[Series/TheIncredibleHulk the low-budget TV series]] over the first big-budget movie's excesses.
* The original ''Film/DeathRace2000'' was great, schlocky, over-the-top Roger Corman-esque fare, perfect for [[Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3K]]-style ribbing. ''Film/DeathRace'', the remake, was a watchable action flick (and featured the presence of Jason Statham) but felt like the soul had been ripped out of the concept.
* Likewise, if you can find it, the Creator/RogerCorman ''Film/TheFantasticFour'' film from the early 1990s is SoBadItsGood, compared to the two SoOkayItsAverage 2000s [[Film/FantasticFour2005 films]].
** On the other hand, all three are being held in higher regard than ''Film/FantasticFour2015'', if only because they're having some fun with the source material instead of taking it on a DarkerAndEdgier approach. Although this case is more in the line of "I like it better when it sucks ''less''" as the new reboot is considered [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dull, lifeless]] and plagued with [[EightDeadlyWords underdeveloped characters nobody cares about]] by many fans.
* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighter'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese absurdity and camp, while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]] with any camp kept to a minimum. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as goofy, and ends up being far less charming or fun to watch while also being nowhere near actual quality.
* While in real life, ''Film/StarTrek2009'' was a hit among Trekkies and layfolk, the new movie's slick production values combined with this to make a [[https://entertainment.theonion.com/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable-1819594814 great Onion News Network piece]].
** That brings us some amusing comments from viewers complaining about the dazzling action scenes and fast-paced writing. "Where's the heavy-handed moralism and political commentary? Why aren't the fights more like two out-of-shape guys in rubber suits doing lame karate chops at each other? The bridge is supposed to look like it's made out of cardboard and plywood!"
* The notoriously trashy 1992 Hong Kong production ''Naked Killer'' originally sported hilariously badly-translated English subtitles (featuring such unforgettable lines as "When I saw Kitty, I had priapism!") which many viewers felt enhanced the delirious experience of the film. The "digitally restored and remastered" DVD featured newly (and apparently, more accurately) translated subtitles, which rather spoiled the fun for fans of the original version.
* The film adaptation of ''Film/FiftyShadesOfGrey'' took a lot of heat for toning down the book's more outre elements, including getting rid of the "Inner Goddess" bits entirely. Turns out that when you try to make this story more respectable, there's nothing of interest left.
* The first set of chapters to Music/RKelly's infamous [[RockOpera hip-hopera]] ''Music/TrappedInTheCloset'' are about as [[{{Narm}} gut-bustingly melodramatic]] as a [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative feature-length R&B ballad music video]] gets, and are legendarily [[SoBadItsGood hysterical as a result]]. Then Kelly and the filmmakers became serious party poopers and made the second set of chapters a borderline [[DenserAndWackier straightforward comedy]].
* The ''Film/LostInSpace'' movie toned down the {{Camp}} and replaced the [[SpecialEffectFailure cheesy special effects]] with CGI. The [[Series/LostInSpace TV show]] was SoBadItsGood, but the movie was just SoOkayItsAverage at best.
* When the trailers of ''Film/{{Sonic the Hedgehog|2020}}'' first dropped, it showed off a design of Sonic for live-action that looked terrible in just about every way. Reception was so bad that the studio actually ''delayed the film'' to rework it. When new trailers dropped showing off [[AuthorsSavingThrow a different Sonic design]], the response was generally that [[WinBackTheCrowd the new design looked great.]] This proved disappointing for a handful of people who thought the film didn't look promising otherwise and hoped a hideous UncannyValley protagonist would push it into SoBadItsGood territory.
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[[folder:Literature]]
* In an Italian short story, there's an in-universe example. A third-rate writer hires an incredibly incompetent typist, in the hope that her typos will turn his trite works into surreal humor masterpieces. It works, and in little time the author is hailed as a comic genius. That's when the typist, seeing her employer's success, decides he deserves better and takes typing lessons, leading to his downfall.
* Creator/TyraBanks's novel ''Literature/{{Modelland}}'' is so bad that most positive reviews agreed it needed additional editing before being released. However, the parts that aren't horrible and confused are just... dull. The book is a mix of so-bad-they're-good parts and mediocre, forgettable parts.
* ''{{Literature/Maradonia|Saga}} and the Seven Bridges'' was edited and split into two books. The new versions have a few improvements, such as removing some of the stupidest elements in the original. This ended up ruining much of the [[{{Narm}} unintentional hilarity]] that made the book fun to read at times, and didn't even come close to turning it into a legitimately ''good'' work. With that said, the new versions did introduce a couple of new stupid moments.
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[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
* One of the (many) reasons that ''Series/BattlestarGalactica1978'' fans were unimpressed by the [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 re-imagined series]] was the eschewing of the cheesy storylines and character designs for a tone that was deadly serious. The silly names were now just call signs. The Cylons had upgraded to look human, and even the foot-soldiers didn't speak, thus no "By your command!" And Baltar was a scientist rather than a scenery-chewing villain.
* The [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci-Fi Channel]] original series update of ''Series/{{Flash Gordon|2007}}'' suffered from this as well, turning Ming (who is hardly Merciless) into a milquetoast CorruptCorporateExecutive [[RecycledINSPACE IN]] [[AnotherDimension AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION]]!, the Hawkmen into vagrants who only THINK they can fly, etc. This from a franchise whose [[Film/FlashGordon1980 most recognizable entry]] was the most gleefully campy movie since the 1966 Batman movie (curiously, both by the same writer).
* The ''Series/EurovisionSongContest'' is better when the acts are crazy, nonsensical and generally bad. The 2009 contest failed in some respects because most of the acts were neither truly good nor [[SoBadItsGood so bad they were good]].
** There's a very good example of the difference between 2008 (ridiculous) and 2009 (serious business) by ways of Estonia on that page.
* Invoked in one episode of ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'', where Crow and Tom spend a segment complaining about the antiquated encyclopedias on the Satellite of Love (so old, in fact, that they include a picture of Stonehenge under "construction"), only for the encyclopedias to be replaced with a brand new set featuring an internet uplink for constant updates... which fails to satisfy Crow and Tom, who thought it was much more fun to [[{{MST}} mock]] the old encyclopedias.
* Invoked by Doug Naylor when fans tell him that they preferred the first two series of ''Series/RedDwarf'' because of the dull grey sets and cheap props and costumes. He and Rob Grant never intended the show to ever look cheap but were stifled by a lack of money for anything better.
* A lot of fans brought up on the original ''Series/DoctorWho'' initially rejoiced that it was coming back, but... were turned off by factors including the vastly improved sets and glossy American-styled production values. This massive FanDiscontinuity will happily accept the original series was marked by low budget, unconvincing costumes and cheap wobbly sets - but will insist they ''preferred'' it that way, so why did the BBC ruin it by trying to make it better, to the point where it isn't really Dr Who any more?
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[[folder:Music]]
* The Portsmouth Sinfonia was an orchestra founded in 1970, made up of people who didn't know how to play their instruments (really, that was one of the requirements - they would allow musicians to join, but on the condition that they were unfamiliar with the instrument they chose). Well-known songs were given them to play, and [[HilarityEnsues the results were hilarious]]. Nearly a decade later, everyone had learned to play those instruments and the popularity of the symphony declined as it lost its novelty factor. The orchestra ceased performing in 1979.
** [[FridgeLogic Wonder why the members didn't periodically switch to other instruments they didn't know how to play?]]
* Music/TheShaggs were awful musicians when ''Philosophy of The World'', their most famous album, came out. Later recordings show them to be much more experienced with their instruments, and actually listenable, if not quite good. The band was even booked to play at dances in their native New Hampshire. These later recordings are nowhere near as well known as ''Philosophy'' is, owing to them being fairly non-descript and somewhat bland. The group wasn't particularly unique once they were able to play with some level of competence. Dot Wiggin is a ''much'' better musician than when she was a teenager, and a few of her songs are actually quite good, though it's unlikely she'll ever make it out of obscurity.
* Music/TheMostUnwantedSong was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on Website/YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece straight out of the most boring parts of 90s easy listening]]. Which was, indeed, the entire point.
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* One episode of ''Radio/ThisAmericanLife'' entitled "[[http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/61/fiasco Fiasco!]]" explicitly discusses this. The interviewee describes seeing a catastrophic stage production of ''Peter Pan'', and admits there was a tipping point after which the crowd had turned on the performers and wanted the show to continue to fail. As he admits, had the show gone off flawlessly from that point, he would have been extremely disappointed.
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* The Broadway musical version of ''Theatre/LittleShopOfHorrors'' got poor reviews. The most common critical opinion was that the appeal of most productions was their low-budget intimacy, and the crazy special effects and massive stage of the Broadway production just felt wrong.
* The original run of the musical version of ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'' was best remembered for two things: the astronomical [[TroubledProduction amount of time and money]] poured into it and its spectacular awfulness it resulted in. Twenty-some years later, a revival, which amended many of the original's shortcomings, was dismissed for being completely forgettable.
* The [[SelfDeprecation incredibly self-aware]] ScreenToStageAdaptation of the [[SoBadItsGood ironic classic]] ''Film/{{Xanadu}}'' was dismissed by hardcore fans who felt that all the show did was explain the joke.
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* When ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' received an UpdatedRerelease for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]] as War of the Lions, fans lamented the loss of much of the game's NarmCharm derived from poorly translated lines. Additionally, some fans felt that the original translation, while quite spotty in several areas, was still far from the incomprehensible mess some people make it out to be, and that the excessive PurpleProse used in War of the Lions translation is thoroughly unnecessary, makes the game harder to understand, and makes a lot of the dialouge feel sterile and emotionless.
* A chunk of the original ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'''s fanbase was put off by the [=GameCube=] remake of the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually, for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.
* The ''VideoGame/HouseOfTheDead'' series used to be known as a rich source of weapons-grade NarmCharm and MemeticMutation. The quality of the voice acting improved dramatically in part 3 and it's even within a hair's breadth of actually being ''good'' in the fourth game. Enough people missed the endearingly god-awful dialogue from parts 1 and 2 that the next game, ''Overkill'', employs StylisticSuck and deliberately aims for a grindhouse B-movie approach.
* ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' and its remade dialogue in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaTheDraculaXChronicles''. The original dialogue was totally cheesy, but a rich well of NarmCharm and a FountainOfMemes. The new one? It's better dialogue, but it's not nearly as [[HamAndCheese hammy]] or fun to listen to.
* Some fans of ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake'' prefer the hilarious borderline-{{Engrish}} fan translation of the MSX version, complete with ComicBookFantasyCasting digitised portraits of celebrities, to the official translation included on the ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence]]'' disc.
* ''VideoGame/BigRigsOverTheRoadRacing'' series:
** A patch for the game does very little to improve the gameplay (the opponent which used to not move now moves very slowly, but still doesn't reach the finish line), but what it does do is take the [[MemeticMutation iconic "You're Winner!" image]] and replaces it with "You Win!". [[FlatJoy Yay.]]
** ''Big Rigs'' has a sequel, named ''Midnight Race Club: Supercharged!'' It's barely remembered, mainly because there's actually collision detection and a moving opponent. It's mostly considered very mediocre.
* ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForceInsectArmageddon'', the western developed spin-off of the notoriously campy ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForce'' series, made many improvements to the controls, graphics and framerate. They also hired top-tier voice talent like Steve Blum and Cam Clarke. Many fans disliked the changes as they came at the cost of the cheesy B-movie absurdity and shoddy production values that gave the series its cult status.
* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'': The series started to fall into this trope after 1998 with the jump to 3D. The 3D games were rather infamous for their questionable control schemes, linear and automated level designs, and having multiple gameplay styles that were required for 100% completion. On top of that, the games started to put a way bigger emphasis on dramatic plots and characterization, with very dubious success due to translations from the Japanese scripts as well as voice acting. Critical reception to these games was heavily mixed, but this is also the biggest NewbieBoom the series experienced as a new generation of fans who started with the Gamecube port of ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2''. This is also the time when many fan favorite characters were introduced to the series (Shadow, Silver, etc etc), so these games developed quite a cult following despite the mixed reception. It helps that while the games weren't exactly ''good'', they were still considered playable. After the [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 infamous game in 2006]] however, the series scaled back heavily on these elements, resulting in a bit of a BrokenBase between the ones who preferred the older, more ambitious direction from before and feel the newer games play things too safe and are too juvenile. It doesn't help that the newer games received far better critical reception and were much more publicly accepted compared to the games that came before which divides people even more.
** ''VideoGame/SonicBoom: Rise of Lyric'' was patched to remove GoodBadBugs such as the infamous Knuckles infinite jump glitch. It also fixed some actual gameplay problems, but it's still regarded as an unenjoyable game. Previously, ''Rise of Lyric'' was an ObviousBeta that was more fun to break than to actually play, then the game was patched, significantly cutting what entertainment value there was in it, and is now considered a resoundingly boring, mediocre game.
* There have always been bugs of all kinds in ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'', the most infamous ones being lighting and world generation bugs. As much as they sucked, fans came to grin and snark alike when they came across them -- until they slowly began to be fixed. A lot of people were nostalgic about the loss of these hilarious EpicFail bugs. So much, that some of them were put back in the game due to popular demand.
* ''[[VideoGame/PrincessMaker Princess Maker 2]]'' was translated into English twice, due to the original publisher falling through. The original dialogue was a bit of a mess, but it was cheesy and fun to read. Many players dislike the new translation for fixing such mistakes as [[ItMakesSenseInContext Wendy's fixation on "Magician Girls!"]]
* The creators of ''VideoGame/RainbowSixSiege'' have stated this of Tachanka. Widely seen as the worst character by a wide margin, he also happens to be the most popular, and much of this popularity comes from what an absolute joke he is; in a game all about mobility and flanking, his unique trick is to park himself in one spot and become a sitting duck. Add in his HuskyRusskie personality and giant machine gun, and you have a recipe for a MemeticBadass and a MemeticLoser at the same time. They could probably rework him to be more useful or more fitting ''Siege'''s design, but then he wouldn't be LORD TACHANKA anymore.
* The English names of the Maverick bosses in ''VideoGame/MegaManX5'' were changed to be references to Music/GunsNRoses members, which was a contentious decision back then, but the names, particularly the incredibly silly-sounding Duff [=McWhalen=], grew on the fanbase. When the ''Mega Man X Legacy Collection'' changed their names back to the original Japanese versions, a subsection of the fanbase voiced their displeasure that Duff [=McWhalen=] was reverted to the more generic-sounding "Tidal Whale."
* Fans of ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776'' were a little displeased when the creators of the Project Exile translation figured out that Orsin's WeaponOfChoice [[SpellMyNameWithAnS was meant to be named after]] [[AluminumChristmasTrees a real-life weapon called the Bhuj.]] Previous fan translations had written it as "Pugi", which was a lot dumber and a lot more fun to say, especially when the Pugi was the game's DiscOneNuke and essential for beating the very difficult early maps. Hardcore ChallengeGamer-types rambling about the greatness of a weapon that sounded like a nickname you'd give a very stupid dog just wasn't an experience you got anywhere else.
* ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}'' has cacophonous music, pug-ugly graphics, monotonous and grindy gameplay, a hilariously edgy tone, a nonsensical plot, absurd concepts, and approximately one-fourth of a likeable character in its entire cast. It was all these traits that earned it a strong cult following who saw it as a fascinating trainwreck like few others in its genre. ''VideoGame/Drakengard2'' got rid of the first game's director, and it shows: the graphics look better, the plot is more understandable, and the characters are less hideously unlikable. This raised it up from "fascinating trainwreck like no other" to "generic JRPG you rent once, beat in a weekend, and then never play or think about again", and as a result the fandom has mostly ignored it.
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* TV Tropes. Before the policies on this Wiki changed (specifically, before the implementation of a far stricter Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment, a stricter ban on Administrivia/{{Natter}}, and the YMMV tab) there were lively debates and conversations on some of the entries, although they could easily descend to tiring arguments. Some tropers are still nostalgic for the older version of the website.
* Creator/DougWalker mentions this in one of his out-of-character ''{{Literature/Twilight}}'' film reviews: the first two movies were SoBadItsGood, but ''Eclipse'' was actually pretty competent and thus not as fun.
* {{Discussed}} by [[WebVideo/LifesAGlitchTV LAG TV]]'s hosts when fans asked them to play more ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'' after three years of silence. A large part of the fun was watching Maximus Black [[EpicFail failing and dying in hilarious ways]], all while [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl Screaming Like A Little Girl]]; however, in the intervening time Jeff got better at the game, so he and Adam outright told the viewers that they wouldn't enjoy new ''Minecraft'' videos nearly as much as the old ones for this very reason.
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* Happens InUniverse in the ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' episode "Wacky Deli": Ralph Bighead hires Rocko, Heffer, and Filbert to create the worst possible show ever in an effort to get out of his contract. [[SpringtimeForHitler Of course, it becomes a hit]]...until Ralph decides to actually put thought and effort into it, at which point it's swiftly canceled.
* The original ''WesternAnimation/BikerMiceFromMars'' series' dub became popular in Finland because it was filled with {{double entendre}}s and overall silliness. When the new series started airing in Finland, fans weren't happy with its new toned-down dialogue.
* ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' is notorious for being, at times, [[InsaneTrollLogic aggressively anti-logical]]. The incoherent plots and ridiculously cookie-cutter nature of the characters is what makes it fun to watch.
** So when the show was retooled in the mid-eighties, well, it just wasn't as much fun anymore. The show was still bad, but now it was just generically bad like any other '80s cartoon. No more plots about Brainiac trying to steal the world's supply of credit. No more Aquaman accidentally destroying the entire Asian Pacific seaboard and using the same "Oh no!" tone of voice he uses when Gleek makes a stupid joke. No more crazy [[StrawFeminist feminists]] mind-controlling all the women in the world into turning men into data on microchips. It just wasn't the same.
** At some point in the '90s, the ComicBook/WonderTwins were re-integrated into the DC Universe and given a DarkerAndEdgier backstory which made them into oppressed slaves. Wrap your head around that. Serious Wonder Twins? What's the point?
* The original ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' had bad dialogue, low quality animation, [[SoUnfunnyItsFunny bad jokes]] and [[JigsawPuzzlePlot ridiculous plots]] as the "monster's" reason for being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after when aired years after the time it's set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along [[NarmCharm removing these charming factors]] and making it a lot less fun. It's felt that a number of later installments lack the original's lasting charm because of this.
* This is considered the reason why the "Red Sky" ReTool seasons for ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987'' flopped. All the goofiness and stupidity of the '80s cartoon was removed... and what we got was a generic mid-'90s action cartoon that took itself too seriously.
* A good chunk of ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'' fans take this view towards more modern interpretations. The 80s cartoon was solid cheese and flatly ridiculous, as a near-platonic ideal of the stupid 80s cartoon, with its [[MerchandiseDriven blatant toy advertisement]], thick HoYay, nonsense plots, and lovably pathetic villains. The reboots, such as the comics or the 2000s series, remove as much of this as possible... and the result is a generic piece of SwordAndSorcery about a very serious generic muscled dude with a sword fighting a very serious generic EvilOverlord, only [[TheArtifact everyone's still got names like]] Stinkor or Fisto.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' features ridiculous plots like Megatron trying to knock the moon out of its orbit so that he can flood a canyon or Optimus Prime playing basketball, Megatron and Starscream act LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and the animation is more frequently OffModel than not. The end result is an absurd and often-stupid cartoon that many remember fondly. Many works that try to pull directly from the cartoon in the modern day like the Dreamwave comics, Deviations, and Wings of Honor tend to get fairly lukewarm responses, as they usually end up bland instead of hilariously-corny.
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* The takeover of [[TheAllegedCar Škoda]] by Volkswagen, leading to their cars becoming actually good. Annoying for budding comedians, as suddenly Skoda jokes didn't work (well, other than the ones in the adverts that went "[[SelfDeprecation It's a Škoda]]. [[WeDontSuckAnymore Honest.]]").
* "Ken Lee", a garbled pronunciation of "Can't Live" from Music/MariahCarey's cover of the Music/{{Badfinger}} song "Without You", as sung by Valentina Hasan, was an [[MemeticMutation internet meme]], almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The SoBadItsGood silliness was lost and it became SoOkayItsAverage.
* Many New Yorkers think that Times Square was more fun when it was [[TheBigRottenApple a seedy haven for porno theaters]] before Rudy Giuliani cleaned it and the city as a whole up in TheNineties. This is the reaction of many longtime residents of gentrified cities in general.
* This can be seen as a phenomenon in sports; especially in football (the sort played by eleven men a side with a round ball). Teams like Manchester United and Manchester City, paradoxically, ''lost'' some fans when they stopped being underachievers, and began to actually win cups and championships, with monotonous and robotic regularity. Pointing to the "old days" when Man U were a struggling side mired in mediocrity and - incredibly - financial problems (but who showed occassional flashes of erratic genius), a former fan said "It's no fun now they're actually ''winning'' every week. I enjoyed it more when you came out of the ground despairing. They've taken the uncertainty out of it."
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SoBadItsGood can be popular to the point that a whole fandom can arise out of a mocked work. This is the magic of {{Camp}}, in that even if the writers weren't trying to be tacitly absurd, it's still possible to get a lot of legitimate enjoyment and laughs out of it if the writing is bad enough.
Sometimes, though, a copyright holder will try to fix the image of the SoBadItsGood franchise by trying to give it a [[ContinuityReboot Reboot]]. The purpose being, hopefully, to make what once was {{Camp}} serious drama. When this falls by the wayside, the viewers get a poor result. The show is no longer SoBadItsGood, but now it's SoOkayItsAverage. In other words, a thorough "meh". Still bad, but not ''so'' bad that it's fun to mock anymore.
This is also a common reaction to the patching of bad games that had a saving grace in the form of GoodBadBugs. More often than not, said bugs are the easiest things to fix, and so the fun to be had in thoroughly breaking the game is removed by the patch, while the more deeply ingrained mediocrity of such a game often remains. Even good games can get this reaction if the bugs were fun enough to play with, resulting in that aspect of the game falling into this trope.
'''This is ''only'' for fans who honestly felt the original sucked SoBadItsGood.''' If the fans didn't think the original sucked, or if they honestly liked features that were removed on their own merits -- or if nostalgia means that they just hate change -- then that belongs under TheyChangedItNowItSucks and NostalgiaFilter instead.
This is, to a great extent, incredibly subjective. Note that the perceptions listed here are ''general'' perceptions of a work as a whole.
Contrast NarmCharm. This is the lack -- more specifically, the loss -- thereof. Also see GenreThrowback, which may or may not result in one of these.
Compare ItsPopularNowItSucks
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* With the switch from traditional to digital animation, it became much easier (and cheaper) for animation studios to fix mistakes. Nowadays, anime series will often have scenes - or on rare occasions ''entire episodes'' - cleaned up in the time between TV broadcast and the home video release. Fans usually welcome this. But, sometimes there's a show like ''Anime/MusashiGundoh'', whose popularity is based entirely on how hilariously awful it is. When the animators go back and fix the mistakes, fans complain because they considered the terrible animation a big part of its charm.
* The Latin American dub of ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' had a completely different (and worse, [[SoBadItsGood and much more fun]]) opening. When the series was re-released, the opening was changed to a translated version of "Pegasus Fantasy". Old-school fans (90% of the whole) didn't like it.
** Even if you don't speak Spanish, compare: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009GRHKykUk&feature=related So Bad It's Good Intro]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbVNSFVW_Q So Ok It's Average Intro]][[note]]To be fair, the opening is actually good (and above average for an intro) but there is no way it can compete with the NarmCharm of the original. This is true even for the more hardcore fans, who tend to prefer the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2zX-M2alQ Japanese Pegasus Fantasy.]][[/note]]
** That does not hold true of the Portuguese dub, however. Especially since the "Pegasus Fantasy" version that eventually ended up in the opening was sung by Music/{{Angra}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCV74ZtLx6I Edu Falaschi]].
* The English dub of ''Angel Blade'' gives all the women rounded even tones... including [[PsychopathicManchild Karin]], which isn't ravingly ''bad'' per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.
* The Ocean dub of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' has a huge number of fans, despite its strict adherence to NeverSayDie. The BGM and Vegeta's hammy voice (and MemeticMutation) are what make people prefer it.
** The Funimation dub of the same series, which was of similar quality (at least in its early days), also has its defenders compared to the much more polished dub of ''Anime/DragonBallKai'' by the same company.
** The original German dub produced by the TV company airing it had Vegeta voiced by the same voice actor who also dubbed "Family Matters" original Steve Urkel. Yeah, in the very same whiny, high-pitched voice. (Just imagine: *planet explodes* "Did I do that?")
* At one time, {{Creator/Netflix}} had the Japanese versions of the first four seasons of ''{{Franchise/Digimon}}'' but they were soon removed, as most American fans prefer the cornier, {{Bowdlerized}} versions from [[Creator/SabanEntertainment Saban.]]
* The Creator/VizMedia dub of ''Anime/SailorMoon'' is victim to this from people who watched the Creator/DiC dub in their childhoods. If you watch some of the sample clips on [=YouTube=], you'll see complaints such as Mamoru calling Usagi "bunhead" instead of "meatball head," or Luna not having a British accent. While several appreciated the re-dub with a pretty faithful translation, professional voice actors, keeping the original music, and no CutAndPasteTranslation, many of the aforementioned purists decry the Viz Media dub as much less fun to watch. Where's the [[HamAndCheese overly hammy]] voice acting? Where's the ridiculous American slang? The clumsy censorship? The unfitting voices? For some, the awkward localization of the original dub ironically added a whole new level of NarmCharm to a show that was already over-the-top to begin with, and it's just not ''Sailor Moon'' without it. One of the major points of contention is that the show is largely a comedy on top of being a MagicalGirlWarrior adventure, and those who prefer the 90's dub argue that while the Viz dub is more faithful, the dialogue and voice direction is not as funny or memorable compared to the improvisations and liberties added by [=DiC=]. The biggest thing that fans actually miss however is the soundtrack, which even the biggest critics of the [=DiC=] dub admitted was pretty awesome.
** ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' invoked this reaction in many fans of the 90's anime (both original and dub fans). Despite the former's promise of being [[TruerToTheText truer to the manga]], said fans found it boring without the sheer amount of {{camp}} and silliness of the original anime.
* Some fans of the [[LighterAndSofter tamer]], [[HurricaneOfPuns pun-laden]] dub of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', were disappointed by the straight video game adaptation ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' for not being cheesy.
* The US finally got a DVD release of ''Anime/TransformersHeadmasters''... with only subtitles. Many fans of the original god-awful HongKongDub (aired on Star TV in Asia) ''hated'' this, as it was considered the best reason to watch ''Headmasters''... otherwise many just found the show dull and repetitive.
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* The character of Frank Drake in 1970s Marvel Comic ''Comicbook/TheTombOfDracula'' was originally an emasculated neurotic and certified wimp when it came to women and anything else for that matter. His more mature self, as seen in the 1990s ''Nightstalkers'', is your typical sanest member of the group. But that's because he's a cardboard Ghostbuster clone without the comedy part. Actually without a personality of any type.
* Speedball was a '60s comic character created in the '80s, with all the Narm you could shake a stick at. His power was just being able to bounce really well, and the less said about his costume, the better. Mocking him was par for the course among fans. Then came the "ComicBook/CivilWar" storyline, in which his inability to save a school full of kids led him to change: his powers were now activated by pain and he changed his name to Penance, complete with an Iron-Maiden-like costume, becoming a full-on NinetiesAntiHero. No one liked it, and after a while, the old, silly Speedball returned.
* Since the book's rediscovery, there have been a number of attempts to "revive" the cult-favorite public-domain superhero ''ComicBook/StardustTheSuperWizard''. These attempts usually aren't very popular with ''Stardust'' fans, since when you take out the [[OffModel badly-proportioned artwork,]] [[RandomEventsPlot nonsensical plots,]] and [[UnscrupulousHero the protagonist's]] love of [[InferredHolocaust wanton murder]] and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath needlessly elaborate punishment,]] you just have a generic superhero story where the main character has a really ugly costume. Even writers who do try to recreate those elements rarely tune into [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs whatever insane wavelength Fletcher Hanks was on]], and just come across as trying too hard to match the original.
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* After it underwent CerebusSyndrome in the 90s, ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' became a famed piece of SnarkBait for it's [[{{Narm}} overwrought melodrama]], [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy obsession with being as depressing as possible]], and equally-odd preoccupation with TheTopicOfCancer. Then in 2015 onward, Tom Batiuk turned into a major party-pooper by listening to the criticisms and [[LighterAndSofter lightening things up]]. It didn't make the strip actually ''good''; it just sucked out a lot of the unintentional hilarity by replacing the {{Glurge}} with self-aggrandizing AuthorAppeal that wasn't nearly as much fun to read.
* Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon and many others took up this line of thought sometime after ComicStrip/DickTracy changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "[[MemeticPsychopath the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth]]."
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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' FanFiction writer Stephen Ratliff once wrote an update to his Fanfic/MarissaPicard story ''Time Speeder'' called ''Athena Prospects''. Anyone who has read both stories knows that Athena Prospects is a much better story than Time Speeder, although it's still pretty bad. Time Speeder, by contrast, is ''way'' more fun to read because all the incredibly stupid stuff is in it. Such as the two villains checking into hotels as James Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard. In a universe where all the ''Star Trek'' shows are accurate foretelling of the future (!) or when Saddam Hussein takes over the entire Middle East in a throwaway line.
* The chapters of ''FanFic/ThePrayerWarriors'' written by Thomas are chock-full of embarrassing spelling errors, unbelievably awkward dialogue, heavy-handed and rather disturbing preaching slapping the reader in the face every other word, and just plain lazy writing. The chapters written by Ebony are... kinda okay, with a little less religious themes, slightly improved spelling, and actually listening to bad reviews instead of just screaming about the fires of hell. The chapters written by Thomas are a lot more fun to read because of this.
* The Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion fanfic ''Fanfic/NeonGenesisEvangelionIIDeltaInvasion'' is an [[SoBadItsGood honored favorite]] among the community for how nonsensical and shameless it is. When the author pulled it from the sites it was hosted on and replaced it with "Gates of Oblivion", it was just as poorly written and self-serving, except it no longer had the spelling and grammar errors and sheer audacity that made the original so much fun to read.
* {{Franchise/Transformers}} ''Beast Wars'' fanfic author William A. Renfield was quite popular for his early Echowarrior fanfics on the TF usenet group alt.toys.transformers in the late 90s...mostly because they were horrible self-insertion schlock. Hey, he was 12. Fast forward to WAR's material 6-7 years later now as a young adult, which had settled into the mediocre range...and zero people caring about it.
* There's a side story of sorts to the infamous ''FanFic/MyImmortal'', called ''I'm Not Okay'' and supposedly written by Tara's beta reader, Raven (whether it was written by a real person named Raven, an imitator, or the same writer as ''My Immortal'' is [[PoesLaw impossible to determine]]). It's very similar to ''My Immortal'' (obsession with goth culture, InNameOnly characterization, short chapters, extremely obvious Mary Sue protagonist), but a considerable step up in terms of spelling, grammar, fidelity to the source material, and overall coherence. It ends up feeling a bit like the sort of story that ''My Immortal'' was intended to be. It's also nowhere near as famous, as said step up is only into the realm of half-functional mediocrity rather than incomprehensible failure. It didn't help that it became a DeadFic only a few chapters in, while its counterpart made it past 40 chapters; one theory about its abandonment is that it simply wasn't as fun to write or attracting as much attention as ''My Immortal.''
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* ''{{Film/Birdemic}}'' is terrible to a legendary degree. Awful acting, awful scripting, awful effects. It's a disaster in every possible way, and it's perhaps the perfect movie for people who like movies that are the exact opposite of perfect. Then, a couple of years later, a sequel came out. Unlike many examples on this page, ''Film/Birdemic2TheResurrection'' is actually really terrible, as well. However, ''Birdemic 2'' is terrible ''on purpose''. Now that he had an actual budget, James Nguyen was clearly spent it all trying to make the sequel equally bad, but it just ended up feeling forced and overly self-referential, and it was a ''lot'' less fun to watch.
* The Creator/AngLee-directed ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' tried to be serious, but some people felt it had cheesy lines, poor acting, an awful pace, and dodgy effects (such as bouncy tanks) which to them, made the film become a humorous example of SoBadItsGood. Then [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk the second film]] actually didn't suck and was instead... [[SoOkayItsAverage watchable]]. Good if you're a fan of the film, not so good if you enjoyed laughing at it. Then again, a similar argument could be made for those who preferred the charm of [[Series/TheIncredibleHulk the low-budget TV series]] over the first big-budget movie's excesses.
* The original ''Film/DeathRace2000'' was great, schlocky, over-the-top Roger Corman-esque fare, perfect for [[Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3K]]-style ribbing. ''Film/DeathRace'', the remake, was a watchable action flick (and featured the presence of Jason Statham) but felt like the soul had been ripped out of the concept.
* Likewise, if you can find it, the Creator/RogerCorman ''Film/TheFantasticFour'' film from the early 1990s is SoBadItsGood, compared to the two SoOkayItsAverage 2000s [[Film/FantasticFour2005 films]].
** On the other hand, all three are being held in higher regard than ''Film/FantasticFour2015'', if only because they're having some fun with the source material instead of taking it on a DarkerAndEdgier approach. Although this case is more in the line of "I like it better when it sucks ''less''" as the new reboot is considered [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dull, lifeless]] and plagued with [[EightDeadlyWords underdeveloped characters nobody cares about]] by many fans.
* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighter'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese absurdity and camp, while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]] with any camp kept to a minimum. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as goofy, and ends up being far less charming or fun to watch while also being nowhere near actual quality.
* While in real life, ''Film/StarTrek2009'' was a hit among Trekkies and layfolk, the new movie's slick production values combined with this to make a [[https://entertainment.theonion.com/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable-1819594814 great Onion News Network piece]].
** That brings us some amusing comments from viewers complaining about the dazzling action scenes and fast-paced writing. "Where's the heavy-handed moralism and political commentary? Why aren't the fights more like two out-of-shape guys in rubber suits doing lame karate chops at each other? The bridge is supposed to look like it's made out of cardboard and plywood!"
* The notoriously trashy 1992 Hong Kong production ''Naked Killer'' originally sported hilariously badly-translated English subtitles (featuring such unforgettable lines as "When I saw Kitty, I had priapism!") which many viewers felt enhanced the delirious experience of the film. The "digitally restored and remastered" DVD featured newly (and apparently, more accurately) translated subtitles, which rather spoiled the fun for fans of the original version.
* The film adaptation of ''Film/FiftyShadesOfGrey'' took a lot of heat for toning down the book's more outre elements, including getting rid of the "Inner Goddess" bits entirely. Turns out that when you try to make this story more respectable, there's nothing of interest left.
* The first set of chapters to Music/RKelly's infamous [[RockOpera hip-hopera]] ''Music/TrappedInTheCloset'' are about as [[{{Narm}} gut-bustingly melodramatic]] as a [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative feature-length R&B ballad music video]] gets, and are legendarily [[SoBadItsGood hysterical as a result]]. Then Kelly and the filmmakers became serious party poopers and made the second set of chapters a borderline [[DenserAndWackier straightforward comedy]].
* The ''Film/LostInSpace'' movie toned down the {{Camp}} and replaced the [[SpecialEffectFailure cheesy special effects]] with CGI. The [[Series/LostInSpace TV show]] was SoBadItsGood, but the movie was just SoOkayItsAverage at best.
* When the trailers of ''Film/{{Sonic the Hedgehog|2020}}'' first dropped, it showed off a design of Sonic for live-action that looked terrible in just about every way. Reception was so bad that the studio actually ''delayed the film'' to rework it. When new trailers dropped showing off [[AuthorsSavingThrow a different Sonic design]], the response was generally that [[WinBackTheCrowd the new design looked great.]] This proved disappointing for a handful of people who thought the film didn't look promising otherwise and hoped a hideous UncannyValley protagonist would push it into SoBadItsGood territory.
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* In an Italian short story, there's an in-universe example. A third-rate writer hires an incredibly incompetent typist, in the hope that her typos will turn his trite works into surreal humor masterpieces. It works, and in little time the author is hailed as a comic genius. That's when the typist, seeing her employer's success, decides he deserves better and takes typing lessons, leading to his downfall.
* Creator/TyraBanks's novel ''Literature/{{Modelland}}'' is so bad that most positive reviews agreed it needed additional editing before being released. However, the parts that aren't horrible and confused are just... dull. The book is a mix of so-bad-they're-good parts and mediocre, forgettable parts.
* ''{{Literature/Maradonia|Saga}} and the Seven Bridges'' was edited and split into two books. The new versions have a few improvements, such as removing some of the stupidest elements in the original. This ended up ruining much of the [[{{Narm}} unintentional hilarity]] that made the book fun to read at times, and didn't even come close to turning it into a legitimately ''good'' work. With that said, the new versions did introduce a couple of new stupid moments.
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* One of the (many) reasons that ''Series/BattlestarGalactica1978'' fans were unimpressed by the [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 re-imagined series]] was the eschewing of the cheesy storylines and character designs for a tone that was deadly serious. The silly names were now just call signs. The Cylons had upgraded to look human, and even the foot-soldiers didn't speak, thus no "By your command!" And Baltar was a scientist rather than a scenery-chewing villain.
* The [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci-Fi Channel]] original series update of ''Series/{{Flash Gordon|2007}}'' suffered from this as well, turning Ming (who is hardly Merciless) into a milquetoast CorruptCorporateExecutive [[RecycledINSPACE IN]] [[AnotherDimension AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION]]!, the Hawkmen into vagrants who only THINK they can fly, etc. This from a franchise whose [[Film/FlashGordon1980 most recognizable entry]] was the most gleefully campy movie since the 1966 Batman movie (curiously, both by the same writer).
* The ''Series/EurovisionSongContest'' is better when the acts are crazy, nonsensical and generally bad. The 2009 contest failed in some respects because most of the acts were neither truly good nor [[SoBadItsGood so bad they were good]].
** There's a very good example of the difference between 2008 (ridiculous) and 2009 (serious business) by ways of Estonia on that page.
* Invoked in one episode of ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'', where Crow and Tom spend a segment complaining about the antiquated encyclopedias on the Satellite of Love (so old, in fact, that they include a picture of Stonehenge under "construction"), only for the encyclopedias to be replaced with a brand new set featuring an internet uplink for constant updates... which fails to satisfy Crow and Tom, who thought it was much more fun to [[{{MST}} mock]] the old encyclopedias.
* Invoked by Doug Naylor when fans tell him that they preferred the first two series of ''Series/RedDwarf'' because of the dull grey sets and cheap props and costumes. He and Rob Grant never intended the show to ever look cheap but were stifled by a lack of money for anything better.
* A lot of fans brought up on the original ''Series/DoctorWho'' initially rejoiced that it was coming back, but... were turned off by factors including the vastly improved sets and glossy American-styled production values. This massive FanDiscontinuity will happily accept the original series was marked by low budget, unconvincing costumes and cheap wobbly sets - but will insist they ''preferred'' it that way, so why did the BBC ruin it by trying to make it better, to the point where it isn't really Dr Who any more?
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* The Portsmouth Sinfonia was an orchestra founded in 1970, made up of people who didn't know how to play their instruments (really, that was one of the requirements - they would allow musicians to join, but on the condition that they were unfamiliar with the instrument they chose). Well-known songs were given them to play, and [[HilarityEnsues the results were hilarious]]. Nearly a decade later, everyone had learned to play those instruments and the popularity of the symphony declined as it lost its novelty factor. The orchestra ceased performing in 1979.
** [[FridgeLogic Wonder why the members didn't periodically switch to other instruments they didn't know how to play?]]
* Music/TheShaggs were awful musicians when ''Philosophy of The World'', their most famous album, came out. Later recordings show them to be much more experienced with their instruments, and actually listenable, if not quite good. The band was even booked to play at dances in their native New Hampshire. These later recordings are nowhere near as well known as ''Philosophy'' is, owing to them being fairly non-descript and somewhat bland. The group wasn't particularly unique once they were able to play with some level of competence. Dot Wiggin is a ''much'' better musician than when she was a teenager, and a few of her songs are actually quite good, though it's unlikely she'll ever make it out of obscurity.
* Music/TheMostUnwantedSong was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on Website/YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece straight out of the most boring parts of 90s easy listening]]. Which was, indeed, the entire point.
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* One episode of ''Radio/ThisAmericanLife'' entitled "[[http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/61/fiasco Fiasco!]]" explicitly discusses this. The interviewee describes seeing a catastrophic stage production of ''Peter Pan'', and admits there was a tipping point after which the crowd had turned on the performers and wanted the show to continue to fail. As he admits, had the show gone off flawlessly from that point, he would have been extremely disappointed.
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* The Broadway musical version of ''Theatre/LittleShopOfHorrors'' got poor reviews. The most common critical opinion was that the appeal of most productions was their low-budget intimacy, and the crazy special effects and massive stage of the Broadway production just felt wrong.
* The original run of the musical version of ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'' was best remembered for two things: the astronomical [[TroubledProduction amount of time and money]] poured into it and its spectacular awfulness it resulted in. Twenty-some years later, a revival, which amended many of the original's shortcomings, was dismissed for being completely forgettable.
* The [[SelfDeprecation incredibly self-aware]] ScreenToStageAdaptation of the [[SoBadItsGood ironic classic]] ''Film/{{Xanadu}}'' was dismissed by hardcore fans who felt that all the show did was explain the joke.
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* When ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' received an UpdatedRerelease for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]] as War of the Lions, fans lamented the loss of much of the game's NarmCharm derived from poorly translated lines. Additionally, some fans felt that the original translation, while quite spotty in several areas, was still far from the incomprehensible mess some people make it out to be, and that the excessive PurpleProse used in War of the Lions translation is thoroughly unnecessary, makes the game harder to understand, and makes a lot of the dialouge feel sterile and emotionless.
* A chunk of the original ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'''s fanbase was put off by the [=GameCube=] remake of the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually, for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.
* The ''VideoGame/HouseOfTheDead'' series used to be known as a rich source of weapons-grade NarmCharm and MemeticMutation. The quality of the voice acting improved dramatically in part 3 and it's even within a hair's breadth of actually being ''good'' in the fourth game. Enough people missed the endearingly god-awful dialogue from parts 1 and 2 that the next game, ''Overkill'', employs StylisticSuck and deliberately aims for a grindhouse B-movie approach.
* ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' and its remade dialogue in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaTheDraculaXChronicles''. The original dialogue was totally cheesy, but a rich well of NarmCharm and a FountainOfMemes. The new one? It's better dialogue, but it's not nearly as [[HamAndCheese hammy]] or fun to listen to.
* Some fans of ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake'' prefer the hilarious borderline-{{Engrish}} fan translation of the MSX version, complete with ComicBookFantasyCasting digitised portraits of celebrities, to the official translation included on the ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence]]'' disc.
* ''VideoGame/BigRigsOverTheRoadRacing'' series:
** A patch for the game does very little to improve the gameplay (the opponent which used to not move now moves very slowly, but still doesn't reach the finish line), but what it does do is take the [[MemeticMutation iconic "You're Winner!" image]] and replaces it with "You Win!". [[FlatJoy Yay.]]
** ''Big Rigs'' has a sequel, named ''Midnight Race Club: Supercharged!'' It's barely remembered, mainly because there's actually collision detection and a moving opponent. It's mostly considered very mediocre.
* ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForceInsectArmageddon'', the western developed spin-off of the notoriously campy ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForce'' series, made many improvements to the controls, graphics and framerate. They also hired top-tier voice talent like Steve Blum and Cam Clarke. Many fans disliked the changes as they came at the cost of the cheesy B-movie absurdity and shoddy production values that gave the series its cult status.
* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'': The series started to fall into this trope after 1998 with the jump to 3D. The 3D games were rather infamous for their questionable control schemes, linear and automated level designs, and having multiple gameplay styles that were required for 100% completion. On top of that, the games started to put a way bigger emphasis on dramatic plots and characterization, with very dubious success due to translations from the Japanese scripts as well as voice acting. Critical reception to these games was heavily mixed, but this is also the biggest NewbieBoom the series experienced as a new generation of fans who started with the Gamecube port of ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2''. This is also the time when many fan favorite characters were introduced to the series (Shadow, Silver, etc etc), so these games developed quite a cult following despite the mixed reception. It helps that while the games weren't exactly ''good'', they were still considered playable. After the [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 infamous game in 2006]] however, the series scaled back heavily on these elements, resulting in a bit of a BrokenBase between the ones who preferred the older, more ambitious direction from before and feel the newer games play things too safe and are too juvenile. It doesn't help that the newer games received far better critical reception and were much more publicly accepted compared to the games that came before which divides people even more.
** ''VideoGame/SonicBoom: Rise of Lyric'' was patched to remove GoodBadBugs such as the infamous Knuckles infinite jump glitch. It also fixed some actual gameplay problems, but it's still regarded as an unenjoyable game. Previously, ''Rise of Lyric'' was an ObviousBeta that was more fun to break than to actually play, then the game was patched, significantly cutting what entertainment value there was in it, and is now considered a resoundingly boring, mediocre game.
* There have always been bugs of all kinds in ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'', the most infamous ones being lighting and world generation bugs. As much as they sucked, fans came to grin and snark alike when they came across them -- until they slowly began to be fixed. A lot of people were nostalgic about the loss of these hilarious EpicFail bugs. So much, that some of them were put back in the game due to popular demand.
* ''[[VideoGame/PrincessMaker Princess Maker 2]]'' was translated into English twice, due to the original publisher falling through. The original dialogue was a bit of a mess, but it was cheesy and fun to read. Many players dislike the new translation for fixing such mistakes as [[ItMakesSenseInContext Wendy's fixation on "Magician Girls!"]]
* The creators of ''VideoGame/RainbowSixSiege'' have stated this of Tachanka. Widely seen as the worst character by a wide margin, he also happens to be the most popular, and much of this popularity comes from what an absolute joke he is; in a game all about mobility and flanking, his unique trick is to park himself in one spot and become a sitting duck. Add in his HuskyRusskie personality and giant machine gun, and you have a recipe for a MemeticBadass and a MemeticLoser at the same time. They could probably rework him to be more useful or more fitting ''Siege'''s design, but then he wouldn't be LORD TACHANKA anymore.
* The English names of the Maverick bosses in ''VideoGame/MegaManX5'' were changed to be references to Music/GunsNRoses members, which was a contentious decision back then, but the names, particularly the incredibly silly-sounding Duff [=McWhalen=], grew on the fanbase. When the ''Mega Man X Legacy Collection'' changed their names back to the original Japanese versions, a subsection of the fanbase voiced their displeasure that Duff [=McWhalen=] was reverted to the more generic-sounding "Tidal Whale."
* Fans of ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776'' were a little displeased when the creators of the Project Exile translation figured out that Orsin's WeaponOfChoice [[SpellMyNameWithAnS was meant to be named after]] [[AluminumChristmasTrees a real-life weapon called the Bhuj.]] Previous fan translations had written it as "Pugi", which was a lot dumber and a lot more fun to say, especially when the Pugi was the game's DiscOneNuke and essential for beating the very difficult early maps. Hardcore ChallengeGamer-types rambling about the greatness of a weapon that sounded like a nickname you'd give a very stupid dog just wasn't an experience you got anywhere else.
* ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}'' has cacophonous music, pug-ugly graphics, monotonous and grindy gameplay, a hilariously edgy tone, a nonsensical plot, absurd concepts, and approximately one-fourth of a likeable character in its entire cast. It was all these traits that earned it a strong cult following who saw it as a fascinating trainwreck like few others in its genre. ''VideoGame/Drakengard2'' got rid of the first game's director, and it shows: the graphics look better, the plot is more understandable, and the characters are less hideously unlikable. This raised it up from "fascinating trainwreck like no other" to "generic JRPG you rent once, beat in a weekend, and then never play or think about again", and as a result the fandom has mostly ignored it.
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* TV Tropes. Before the policies on this Wiki changed (specifically, before the implementation of a far stricter Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment, a stricter ban on Administrivia/{{Natter}}, and the YMMV tab) there were lively debates and conversations on some of the entries, although they could easily descend to tiring arguments. Some tropers are still nostalgic for the older version of the website.
* Creator/DougWalker mentions this in one of his out-of-character ''{{Literature/Twilight}}'' film reviews: the first two movies were SoBadItsGood, but ''Eclipse'' was actually pretty competent and thus not as fun.
* {{Discussed}} by [[WebVideo/LifesAGlitchTV LAG TV]]'s hosts when fans asked them to play more ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'' after three years of silence. A large part of the fun was watching Maximus Black [[EpicFail failing and dying in hilarious ways]], all while [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl Screaming Like A Little Girl]]; however, in the intervening time Jeff got better at the game, so he and Adam outright told the viewers that they wouldn't enjoy new ''Minecraft'' videos nearly as much as the old ones for this very reason.
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* Happens InUniverse in the ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' episode "Wacky Deli": Ralph Bighead hires Rocko, Heffer, and Filbert to create the worst possible show ever in an effort to get out of his contract. [[SpringtimeForHitler Of course, it becomes a hit]]...until Ralph decides to actually put thought and effort into it, at which point it's swiftly canceled.
* The original ''WesternAnimation/BikerMiceFromMars'' series' dub became popular in Finland because it was filled with {{double entendre}}s and overall silliness. When the new series started airing in Finland, fans weren't happy with its new toned-down dialogue.
* ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' is notorious for being, at times, [[InsaneTrollLogic aggressively anti-logical]]. The incoherent plots and ridiculously cookie-cutter nature of the characters is what makes it fun to watch.
** So when the show was retooled in the mid-eighties, well, it just wasn't as much fun anymore. The show was still bad, but now it was just generically bad like any other '80s cartoon. No more plots about Brainiac trying to steal the world's supply of credit. No more Aquaman accidentally destroying the entire Asian Pacific seaboard and using the same "Oh no!" tone of voice he uses when Gleek makes a stupid joke. No more crazy [[StrawFeminist feminists]] mind-controlling all the women in the world into turning men into data on microchips. It just wasn't the same.
** At some point in the '90s, the ComicBook/WonderTwins were re-integrated into the DC Universe and given a DarkerAndEdgier backstory which made them into oppressed slaves. Wrap your head around that. Serious Wonder Twins? What's the point?
* The original ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' had bad dialogue, low quality animation, [[SoUnfunnyItsFunny bad jokes]] and [[JigsawPuzzlePlot ridiculous plots]] as the "monster's" reason for being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after when aired years after the time it's set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along [[NarmCharm removing these charming factors]] and making it a lot less fun. It's felt that a number of later installments lack the original's lasting charm because of this.
* This is considered the reason why the "Red Sky" ReTool seasons for ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987'' flopped. All the goofiness and stupidity of the '80s cartoon was removed... and what we got was a generic mid-'90s action cartoon that took itself too seriously.
* A good chunk of ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'' fans take this view towards more modern interpretations. The 80s cartoon was solid cheese and flatly ridiculous, as a near-platonic ideal of the stupid 80s cartoon, with its [[MerchandiseDriven blatant toy advertisement]], thick HoYay, nonsense plots, and lovably pathetic villains. The reboots, such as the comics or the 2000s series, remove as much of this as possible... and the result is a generic piece of SwordAndSorcery about a very serious generic muscled dude with a sword fighting a very serious generic EvilOverlord, only [[TheArtifact everyone's still got names like]] Stinkor or Fisto.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' features ridiculous plots like Megatron trying to knock the moon out of its orbit so that he can flood a canyon or Optimus Prime playing basketball, Megatron and Starscream act LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and the animation is more frequently OffModel than not. The end result is an absurd and often-stupid cartoon that many remember fondly. Many works that try to pull directly from the cartoon in the modern day like the Dreamwave comics, Deviations, and Wings of Honor tend to get fairly lukewarm responses, as they usually end up bland instead of hilariously-corny.
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* The takeover of [[TheAllegedCar Škoda]] by Volkswagen, leading to their cars becoming actually good. Annoying for budding comedians, as suddenly Skoda jokes didn't work (well, other than the ones in the adverts that went "[[SelfDeprecation It's a Škoda]]. [[WeDontSuckAnymore Honest.]]").
* "Ken Lee", a garbled pronunciation of "Can't Live" from Music/MariahCarey's cover of the Music/{{Badfinger}} song "Without You", as sung by Valentina Hasan, was an [[MemeticMutation internet meme]], almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The SoBadItsGood silliness was lost and it became SoOkayItsAverage.
* Many New Yorkers think that Times Square was more fun when it was [[TheBigRottenApple a seedy haven for porno theaters]] before Rudy Giuliani cleaned it and the city as a whole up in TheNineties. This is the reaction of many longtime residents of gentrified cities in general.
* This can be seen as a phenomenon in sports; especially in football (the sort played by eleven men a side with a round ball). Teams like Manchester United and Manchester City, paradoxically, ''lost'' some fans when they stopped being underachievers, and began to actually win cups and championships, with monotonous and robotic regularity. Pointing to the "old days" when Man U were a struggling side mired in mediocrity and - incredibly - financial problems (but who showed occassional flashes of erratic genius), a former fan said "It's no fun now they're actually ''winning'' every week. I enjoyed it more when you came out of the ground despairing. They've taken the uncertainty out of it."
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* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'': The series started to fall into this trope after 1998 with the jump to 3D. The 3D games were rather infamous for their questionable control schemes, linear and automated level designs, and having multiple gameplay styles that were required for 100% completion. On top of that, the games started to put a way bigger emphasis on dramatic plots and characterization, with very dubious success due to translations from the Japanese scripts as well as voice acting. Critical reception to these games was heavily mixed, but this is also the biggest NewbieBoom the series experienced as a new generation of fans who started with the Gamecube port of ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2''. This is also the time when many fan favorite characters were introduced to the series (Shadow, Silver, etc etc), so these games developed quite a cult following despite the mixed reception. It helps that while the games weren't exactly ''good'', they were still considered playable. After the [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 infamous game in 2006]] however, the series scaled back heavily on these elements, resulting in a bit of a BrokenBase between the ones who preferred the older, more ambitious direction from before and feel the newer games play things too safe and are too juvenile. It doesn't help that the newer games received far better critical reception and were much more publicly accepted compared to the games that came before which divides people even more.
** ''VideoGame/SonicBoom: Rise of Lyric'' was patched to remove GoodBadBugs such as the infamous Knuckles infinite jump glitch. It also fixed some actual gameplay problems, but it's still regarded as an unenjoyable game. Previously, ''Rise of Lyric'' was an ObviousBeta that was more fun to break than to actually play, then the game was patched, significantly cutting what entertainment value there was in it, and is now considered a resoundingly boring, mediocre game.
** ''VideoGame/SonicBoom: Rise of Lyric'' was patched to remove GoodBadBugs such as the infamous Knuckles infinite jump glitch. It also fixed some actual gameplay problems, but it's still regarded as an unenjoyable game. Previously, ''Rise of Lyric'' was an ObviousBeta that was more fun to break than to actually play, then the game was patched, significantly cutting what entertainment value there was in it, and is now considered a resoundingly boring, mediocre game.
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* The Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion fanfic Fanfic/DeltaInvasion is an [[SoBadItsGood honored favorite]] among the community for how nonsensical and shameless it is. When the author pulled it from the sites it was hosted on and replaced it with "Gates of Oblivion", it was just as poorly written and self-serving, except it no longer had the spelling and grammar errors and sheer audacity that made the original so much fun to read.
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* The Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion fanfic Fanfic/DeltaInvasion ''Fanfic/NeonGenesisEvangelionIIDeltaInvasion'' is an [[SoBadItsGood honored favorite]] among the community for how nonsensical and shameless it is. When the author pulled it from the sites it was hosted on and replaced it with "Gates of Oblivion", it was just as poorly written and self-serving, except it no longer had the spelling and grammar errors and sheer audacity that made the original so much fun to read.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}'' has cacophonous music, pug-ugly graphics, monotonous and grindy gameplay, a hilariously edgy tone, a nonsensical plot, absurd concepts, and approximately one-fourth of a likeable character in its entire cast. It was all these traits that earned it a strong cult following who saw it as a fascinating trainwreck like few others in its genre. ''VideoGame/Drakengard2'' got rid of the first game's director, and it shows: the graphics look better, the plot is more understandable, and the characters are less hideously unlikable. This raised it up from "fascinating trainwreck like no other" to "generic JRPG you rent once, beat in a weekend, and then never play or think about again", and as a result the fandom has mostly ignored it.
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Actually thinking over it, this doesn't meet the criteria after all
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* In general, any time GoodBadBugs get patched out in single player games results in this reaction[[note]]In multiplayer games, the non-cosmetic kinds usually result in people choosing to play the game in ways that make it less fun for everyone else, so having them get patched out is usually considered a good thing[[/note]]. This is ''especially'' the bane of every speedrunner's existence, where there can exist multiple versions of physically-released games (such as ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'' or ''VideoGame/BlastCorps''), some with the GoodBadBugs intact and some that lack them, where the bugs in question allowed for SequenceBreaking tricks that are downright mandatory to be able to pull off if you want any sort of competitive time.
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* In general, any time GoodBadBugs get patched out in single player games results in this reaction[[note]]In multiplayer games, the non-cosmetic kinds usually result in people choosing to play the game in ways that make it less fun for everyone else, so having them get patched out is usually considered a good thing[[/note]]. This is ''especially'' the bane of every speedrunner's existence, where there can exist multiple versions of physically-released games (such as ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'' or ''VideoGame/BlastCorps''), some with the GoodBadBugs intact and some that lack them, where the bugs in question allowed for SequenceBreaking tricks that are downright mandatory to be able to pull off if you want any sort of competitive time.
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* After it underwent CerebusSyndrome in the 90s, ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' became a famed piece of SnarkBait for it's [[{{Narm}} overwrought melodrama]], [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy obsession with being as depressing as possible]], and equally-odd preoccupation with TheTopicOfCancer. Then in 2015 onward, Tom Batiuk turned into a major party-pooper by listening to the criticisms and [[LighterAndSofter lightening things up]]. It didn't make the strip actually ''good''; it just sucked out a lot of the unintentional hilarity by replacing the {{Glurge}} with self-aggrandizing AuthorAppeal that wasn't nearly as much fun to read.
* Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon and many others took up this line of thought sometime after ComicStrip/DickTracy changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "[[MemeticPsychopath the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth]]."
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* After it underwent CerebusSyndrome in the 90s, ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' became a famed piece of SnarkBait for it's [[{{Narm}} overwrought melodrama]], [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy obsession with being as depressing as possible]], and equally-odd preoccupation with TheTopicOfCancer. Then in 2015 onward, Tom Batiuk turned into a major party-pooper by listening to the criticisms and [[LighterAndSofter lightening things up]]. It didn't make the strip actually ''good''; it just sucked out a lot of the unintentional hilarity by replacing the {{Glurge}} with self-aggrandizing AuthorAppeal that wasn't nearly as much fun to read.
* Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon and many others took up this line of thought sometime after ComicStrip/DickTracy changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "[[MemeticPsychopath the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth]]."
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* Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon took up this line of thought sometime after ''ComicStrip/DickTracy'' changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth".
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* When the trailers of ''Film/SonicTheHedgehog'' first dropped, it showed off a design of Sonic for live-action that looked terrible in just about every way. Reception was so bad that the studio actually ''delayed the film'' to rework it. When new trailers dropped showing off [[AuthorsSavingThrow a different Sonic design]], the response was generally that [[WinBackTheCrowd the new design looked great.]] This proved disappointing for a handful of people who thought the film didn't look promising otherwise and hoped a hideous UncannyValley protagonist would push it into SoBadItsGood territory.
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* When the trailers of ''Film/SonicTheHedgehog'' ''Film/{{Sonic the Hedgehog|2020}}'' first dropped, it showed off a design of Sonic for live-action that looked terrible in just about every way. Reception was so bad that the studio actually ''delayed the film'' to rework it. When new trailers dropped showing off [[AuthorsSavingThrow a different Sonic design]], the response was generally that [[WinBackTheCrowd the new design looked great.]] This proved disappointing for a handful of people who thought the film didn't look promising otherwise and hoped a hideous UncannyValley protagonist would push it into SoBadItsGood territory.
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* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighterTheMovie'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese absurdity and camp, while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]] with any camp kept to a minimum. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as goofy, and ends up being far less charming or fun to watch while also being nowhere near actual quality.
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* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighterTheMovie'' ''Film/StreetFighter'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese absurdity and camp, while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]] with any camp kept to a minimum. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as goofy, and ends up being far less charming or fun to watch while also being nowhere near actual quality.
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* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighterTheMovie'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]] with any camp kept to a minimum. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as funny and ends up being far less fun to watch while also not being anywhere near actual quality.
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* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighterTheMovie'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese absurdity and camp, while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]] with any camp kept to a minimum. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as funny goofy, and ends up being far less charming or fun to watch while also not being anywhere nowhere near actual quality.
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* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighterTheMovie'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]]. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as funny and ends up being far less enjoyable.
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* A similar sensation exists for ''Film/StreetFighterTheMovie'' and ''Film/StreetFighterTheLegendOfChunLi.'' Neither one is considered a good movie, but the former was clearly shooting for HamAndCheese while the latter attempted [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously an uber-serious prestige drama]]. drama]] with any camp kept to a minimum. ''Chun-Li'' is probably the better-crafted film, but it's nowhere near as funny and ends up being far less enjoyable.fun to watch while also not being anywhere near actual quality.
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* Fans of ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776'' were a little displeased when the creators of the Project Exile translation figured out that Orsin's WeaponOfChoice [[SpellMyNameWithAnS was meant to be named after]] [[AluminumChristmasTrees a real-life weapon called the Bhuj.]] Previous fan translations had written it as "Pugi", which was a lot dumber and a lot more fun to say, especially when the Pugi was the game's DiscOneNuke and essential for beating the very difficult early maps. Hardcore ChallengeGamer-types rambling about the greatness of a weapon that sounded like a nickname you'd give a very stupid dog just wasn't an experience you got anywhere else.
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people who prefer the NC without skits tend to think that the old stuff is genuinely higher-quality, which isn't this
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* In the ''Boss Mabel'' vlog, [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Rob Walker]] complained that they could put a lot of effort into something, and a VocalMinority would rather just have Doug half-assing it in front of a wall.
** Creator/DougWalker also mentions this in one of his out-of-character ''{{Literature/Twilight}}'' film reviews: the first two movies were SoBadItsGood, but ''Eclipse'' was actually pretty competent and thus not as fun.
** Creator/DougWalker also mentions this in one of his out-of-character ''{{Literature/Twilight}}'' film reviews: the first two movies were SoBadItsGood, but ''Eclipse'' was actually pretty competent and thus not as fun.
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* In the ''Boss Mabel'' vlog, [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Rob Walker]] complained that they could put a lot of effort into something, and a VocalMinority would rather just have Doug half-assing it in front of a wall.
**Creator/DougWalker also mentions this in one of his out-of-character ''{{Literature/Twilight}}'' film reviews: the first two movies were SoBadItsGood, but ''Eclipse'' was actually pretty competent and thus not as fun.
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* A lot of fans brought up on the original ''Series/DoctorWho'' initially rejoiced that it was coming back, but... were turned off by factors including the vastly improved sets and glossy American-styled production values. This massive FanDiscontinuity will happily accept the original series was marked by low budget, unconvincing costumes and cheap wobbly sets - but will insist they ''preferred'' it that way, so why did the BBC ruin it by trying to make it better, to the point where it isn't really Dr Who any more?
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British refuge in mediocrity...
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* This can be seen as a phenomenon in sports; especially in football (the sort played by eleven men a side with a round ball). Teams like Manchester United and Manchester City, paradoxically, ''lost'' some fans when they stopped being underachievers, and began to actually win cups and championships, with monotonous and robotic regularity. Pointing to the "old days" when Man U were a struggling side mired in mediocrity and - incredibly - financial problems (but who showed occassional flashes of erratic genius), a former fan said "It's no fun now they're actually ''winning'' every week. I enjoyed it more when you came out of the ground despairing. They've taken the uncertainty out of it."
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* A chunk of the the original ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'''s fanbase was offput by the [=GameCube=] remake of the the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually, for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.
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* A chunk of the the original ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'''s fanbase was offput put off by the [=GameCube=] remake of the the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually, for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.
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Thinking it over, this one is misuse too. The quote can stay though because it still works out of context and I don't know what to replace it with.
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* As the Page Quote from ''Series/TopGear'' says, a car might be more ''fun'' to drive if it is dynamically ''worse'', since cars with more power than grip will oversteer (i.e. the back end will slide around under acceleration): more dangerous on a road, but more exciting to mess about with on a track. This can also apply to videogames where the 'less good' cars can be more fun to race than the top level cars. It is for this reason that James Hunt preferred an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_A35 Austin A35]] for everyday driving.
