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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Norman Bowker after the war]]. He quietly hung himself at the YMCA without leaving a suicide note, and his mopther comments that he was a quiet boy and likely didn't want to bother anyone.

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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Norman Bowker after the war]]. He quietly hung himself at the YMCA without leaving a suicide note, and his mopther mother comments that he was a quiet boy and likely didn't want to bother anyone.
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* GoingNative: "Sweetheart of Son Tra Bong" consists of Rat Kiley telling Mitchell Sanders about a girl he knew at his previous station. She was flown in by her boyfriend and starts the chapter as a naive and optimistic teenager, and by the end she's wandering the jungles of Vietnam, murdering with abandon and wearing a necklace of human tongues.

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* GoingNative: "Sweetheart of Son Song Tra Bong" consists of Rat Kiley telling Mitchell Sanders about a girl he knew at his previous station. She was flown in by her boyfriend and starts the chapter as a naive and optimistic teenager, and by the end she's wandering the jungles of Vietnam, murdering with abandon and wearing a necklace of human tongues.
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* BreadEggsMilkSquick: [[spoiler:At the end of "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong," Mary Anne is described as wearing "her culottes, her pink sweater, and a necklace of human tongues."

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* BreadEggsMilkSquick: [[spoiler:At the end of "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong," Mary Anne is described as wearing "her culottes, her pink sweater, and a necklace of human tongues.""]]
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* BlackComedy: Several instances. Most notably, the Green Berets in "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong" have a collection of human bones in their barracks, with a sign reading "Build your own gook! Free assembly kit". There's also Norman Bowker singing "Lemon Tree" to himself [[spoiler: while cleaning Curt Lemon's guts off of a tree branch]].

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* BlackComedy: Several instances. Most notably, the Green Berets in "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong" have a collection of human bones in their barracks, with a sign reading "Build your own gook! "Assemble Your Own Gook! Free assembly kit". Sample Kit!!" There's also Norman Bowker singing "Lemon Tree" to himself [[spoiler: while cleaning Curt Lemon's guts off of a tree branch]].



* BreadEggsMilkSquick: At the end of "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong," Mary Anne is described as wearing "her culottes, her pink sweater, and a necklace of human tongues."

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* BreadEggsMilkSquick: At [[spoiler:At the end of "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong," Mary Anne is described as wearing "her culottes, her pink sweater, and a necklace of human tongues."



* CreepySouvenir: When Mary Anne goes off the deep end, she makes herself a necklace strung with the tongues of executed Viet Cong soldiers.]]

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* CreepySouvenir: When [[spoiler:In "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong", when Mary Anne goes off the deep end, she makes herself a necklace strung with the tongues of executed Viet Cong soldiers.]]
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* CreepySouvenir: When Mary Anne goes off the deep end, she makes herself a necklace from the tongues of executed Viet Cong soldiers.]]

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* CreepySouvenir: When Mary Anne goes off the deep end, she makes herself a necklace from strung with the tongues of executed Viet Cong soldiers.]]
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* CreepySouvenir: When Mary Anne goes off the deep end, she makes herself a necklace from the tongues of executed Viet Cong soldiers.]]
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* MeaningfulName: [[UpToEleven Several.]] Norman ([[TheEveryman "Normal"]]) Bowker, Ted [[ProneToTears Lavender]], Lt. Jimmy [[CrucifiedHeroShot Cross]] (initials [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory J.C.]]), Kiowa (name of a famous American [[DeathFromAbove attack helicopter]]), the list goes on.

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* MeaningfulName: [[UpToEleven Several.]] Several. Norman ([[TheEveryman "Normal"]]) Bowker, Ted [[ProneToTears Lavender]], Lt. Jimmy [[CrucifiedHeroShot Cross]] (initials [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory J.C.]]), Kiowa (name of a famous American [[DeathFromAbove attack helicopter]]), the list goes on.
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* BaitAndSwitchCompassion: When the gang runs across a one-legged boy, [[TokenEvilTeammate Azar]] gives the kid a chocolate bar, and for a moment it looks like he may feel sorry for the kid when he says "One leg, for Chrissake." Then he finishes the sentence with, "[[OnceIsNotEnough Some poor fucker ran out of ammo]]."
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* AndThatLittleGirlWasMe: In "Speaking of Courage," it's presented that Norman Bowker is responsible for [[spoiler: Kiowa's death]]. However, in "Notes" O'Brien confesses that it was his fault. In the next chapter, "In the Field" where the incident happens, the soldier with the flashlight is never named outright, but Tim O'Brien's character is the only still-living, named soldier absent in the search.

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* AndThatLittleGirlWasMe: In "Speaking of Courage," it's presented that Norman Bowker is responsible for [[spoiler: Kiowa's death]]. However, in "Notes" O'Brien confesses that it was his fault. In the next chapter, "In the Field" Field," where the incident happens, the soldier with the flashlight is never named outright, but Tim O'Brien's character is the only still-living, named soldier absent in the search.search, indicating that the flashlight soldier is him.
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--> For Rat Kiley, I think, facts were formed by sensation, not the other way around, and when you listened to one of his stories, you'd find yourself performing rapid calculations in your head, subtracting superlatives, figuring the square root of an absolute and then multiplying by maybe.

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--> ---> For Rat Kiley, I think, facts were formed by sensation, not the other way around, and when you listened to one of his stories, you'd find yourself performing rapid calculations in your head, subtracting superlatives, figuring the square root of an absolute and then multiplying by maybe.

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* TheStoryteller: Mitchell Sanders, again.

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* TheStoryteller: Mitchell Sanders is the usual story teller, though Rat Kiley also tells one in "The Sweetheart of Song Tra Bong." Somewhat fittingly, Rat tells his story to Sanders, again.who spends the chapter critiquing Rat's technique.


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* UnreliableNarrator:
** Rat Kiley is explicitly stated to be an unreliable narrator in his stories, often adding details in for effect.
--> For Rat Kiley, I think, facts were formed by sensation, not the other way around, and when you listened to one of his stories, you'd find yourself performing rapid calculations in your head, subtracting superlatives, figuring the square root of an absolute and then multiplying by maybe.
** O'Brien himself is an unreliable narrator, and often chapters alternate between a straightforward story taking place during the war, and then a chapter of O'Brien musing on the nature of story telling, and what he fabricated in a previous story and why. This is used often to reflect on the concepts of making things ''feel'' as true as experiencing them felt. Examples include:
*** O'Brien admits that the chapter "Speaking of Courage" detailing Norman Bowker's experiences in his home town were made up, based loosely on a letter he received from Norman about how he was adjusting (or failing to adjust) to civilian life. O'Brien describes how he based Norman's town on his own, moved it to the plains, and initially wrote the story differently so that it would fit in another novel he was working on, and how Norman disliked the result. The current version of "Speaking of Courage" is said to be his homage to Norman, written the way Norman would have wanted it to be, with the addition of [[spoiler: Norman being responsible for Kiowa's death instead of Tim]].
*** O'Brien says that he didn't actually kill the Dainty Young Man in "The Man I Killed," and says he was merely present when he died, and that he still felt responsible. Then he says no, that was a lie too, he never actually looked at the body, and so now he feels "faceless" guilt over him and the others killed during the war, and that this constant rewriting of history is his way of coping.
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Is this a different verson of the book? Nowhere does it say that Curt didn't die by being blown up into a tree. The final chapter, "Lives of the Dead" makes several references to the event.


* UnreliableNarrator:
** Midway through the book the narrator admits that the entire section of book detailing [[spoiler: Curt Lemon's death]] was entirely made up. He was never playing catch with Rat Kiley using smoke grenades, he didn't step on a rigged 105 round in the sunlight, and Rat Kiley never reacted that way to his death. The real Curt Lemon was killed by a sniper in a swamp some place. The narrator then notes that just because it's untrue doesn't make it [[ItMeantSomethingToMe any less real]] to the guys who saw it. Which is why it's a love story, not a war story.
** The real kicker is when you realize the story of him dying in the swamp is untrue as well. [[spoiler: The real Curt Lemon didn't die on the Batangan Peninsula. He was never real, the book is a work of fiction.]] [[MindFuck And the narrator knows it.]]

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Azar doesn't say it's a comping mechanism, he says he felt bad because it was like Kiowa could hear him, and that he had some mild form of survivor's guilt. He remains unrepentant about his behavior in later chapters, specifically saying how much he loves the chaos of the war. He just felt bad this once because it was Kiowa.


* AuthorAvatar: The narrator or Mitchell Sanders, depending on the situation.

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* AndThatLittleGirlWasMe: In "Speaking of Courage," it's presented that Norman Bowker is responsible for [[spoiler: Kiowa's death]]. However, in "Notes" O'Brien confesses that it was his fault. In the next chapter, "In the Field" where the incident happens, the soldier with the flashlight is never named outright, but Tim O'Brien's character is the only still-living, named soldier absent in the search.
* AuthorAvatar: The narrator or Mitchell Sanders, depending on the situation. To make things more meta, Tim O'Brien is a named character in the story who shares many similarities with the actual author, Tim O'Brien, and the book includes several chapters where O'Brien ruminates on the nature of storytelling and writing. The only things that keep these chapters from being some kind of nonfictional essays are the references to Tim meeting or communicating or remembering members of the Alpha Company, who are all fictional.



* DanceOfDespair: Implied in chapter "Style". The platoon comes across a girl whose entire family had died in the war. This girl did nothing but dance, and was dancing when they found her, for reasons they can't understand, but figure it's a cultural thing. One rude soldier is even told off when he tries to mock her dancing.
* DraftDodging: Attempted, but not followed through with. The narrator was to afraid of being shamed. Or, as the author puts it, too afraid to be a coward.
%% * DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Norman Bowker after the war]].

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* DanceOfDespair: Implied in chapter "Style". The platoon comes across a girl whose entire family had died in the war. This girl did nothing but dance, and was dancing when they found her, for reasons they can't understand, but figure it's a cultural thing. One rude soldier Azar questions, then mocks the girl, but is even told off when he tries to mock her dancing.
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* DraftDodging: Attempted, but not followed through with. The narrator O'Brien was to too afraid of being shamed. Or, as the author puts it, too afraid to be a coward.
%% * DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Norman Bowker after the war]].war]]. He quietly hung himself at the YMCA without leaving a suicide note, and his mopther comments that he was a quiet boy and likely didn't want to bother anyone.



%% * GoingNative: Mary Anne.

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%% * GoingNative: Mary Anne."Sweetheart of Son Tra Bong" consists of Rat Kiley telling Mitchell Sanders about a girl he knew at his previous station. She was flown in by her boyfriend and starts the chapter as a naive and optimistic teenager, and by the end she's wandering the jungles of Vietnam, murdering with abandon and wearing a necklace of human tongues.



* JumpingOnAGrenade: [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed.]] "Story of my life man."

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* JumpingOnAGrenade: [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed.]] "Story O'Brien tells a couple variations of the story as an example of how to tell when a war story is real. In one version, a soldier jumps on a grenade and saves his comrade's lives. In another, he does it, but they all die anyway.
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of my life man."



** There's also the young soldier who [[spoiler: turned on his flashlight to show Kiowa a picture of his girlfriend, thus attracting mortar fire and inadvertently getting Kiowa killed]]. In the morning, all he can do is vainly search for the picture of his girlfriend that he lost in the mud while crying.

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** There's also In "In the young soldier who [[spoiler: Field," O'brien gets another one when it's revealed he[[spoiler: turned on his flashlight to show Kiowa a picture of his girlfriend, thus attracting mortar fire and inadvertently getting Kiowa killed]]. In the morning, all he can do is vainly search for the picture of his girlfriend that he lost in the mud while crying.



* ShoutOut: Mitchell Sanders' story in the chapter Spin about a guy who hooks up with a Red Cross nurse in Danang sounds an awful alot like the plot to ''Literature/AFarewellToArms''. The ending to Sanders version is [[MoodWhiplash the big difference though.]]
* SociopathicSoldier: Azar's entire role as a character. [[spoiler: Until he sees Kiowa's body after they pull it out of the shit field, after which it's revealed his cruelty is all just a facade that helps him deal with the war. Possibly one of the few idealistic moments of the book.]]

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* ShoutOut: Mitchell Sanders' story in the chapter Spin about a guy who hooks up with a Red Cross nurse in Danang sounds an awful alot lot like the plot to ''Literature/AFarewellToArms''. The ending to Sanders version is [[MoodWhiplash the big difference though.]]
* SociopathicSoldier: Azar's entire role as a character. [[spoiler: Until he sees Kiowa's body after they pull it out of the shit field, after which it's revealed his cruelty field. It is all just a facade that helps him deal with the war. Possibly one first time he shows any kind of genuine regret for the few idealistic moments of the book.jokes he's made.]]
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The quote is "One leg, for Chrissake. Some poor fucker ran out of ammo." He wasn't lamenting the kid's leg, he was joking that the guy who injured the boy ran out of ammo before finishing the job of killing him.


* PetTheDog: Azar, when he gives the boy his chocolate bar and laments the kid's missing leg.

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* PetTheDog: Azar, when he gives the a one-legged boy his chocolate bar and laments the kid's missing leg.bar.
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* AccidentalSuicide: While Curt Lemon and Rat Kiley are playing with smoke grenades, [[spoiler:Curt Lemon unknowingly steps on a grenade and dies in the explosion]].
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** Soon after Curt Lemon death, Rat Kiley found a baby water buffalo's, stroked its nose, and offered some C rations. After the animal showed disinterest, Rat mutilates the baby water buffalo with various shots over the body. The barely alive buffalo was dumped into the abandoned village well.

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** Soon after Curt Lemon death, Rat Kiley found a baby water buffalo's, buffalo, stroked its nose, and offered some C rations. After the animal showed disinterest, Rat mutilates the baby water buffalo with various shots over the body. The barely alive buffalo was dumped into the abandoned village well.
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** When Rat Kiley mutilates the baby water buffalo.

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** When Soon after Curt Lemon death, Rat Kiley found a baby water buffalo's, stroked its nose, and offered some C rations. After the animal showed disinterest, Rat mutilates the baby water buffalo.buffalo with various shots over the body. The barely alive buffalo was dumped into the abandoned village well.
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* MeaningfulName: [[UpToEleven Several.]] Norman ([[TheEveryman "Normal"]]) Bowker, Ted [[FragileFlower Lavender]], Lt. Jimmy [[CrucifiedHeroShot Cross]] (initials [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory J.C.]]), Kiowa (name of a famous American [[DeathFromAbove attack helicopter]]), the list goes on.

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* MeaningfulName: [[UpToEleven Several.]] Norman ([[TheEveryman "Normal"]]) Bowker, Ted [[FragileFlower [[ProneToTears Lavender]], Lt. Jimmy [[CrucifiedHeroShot Cross]] (initials [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory J.C.]]), Kiowa (name of a famous American [[DeathFromAbove attack helicopter]]), the list goes on.

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* DanceOfDespair: Implied in chapter "Style". The platoon comes across a girl whose entire family had died in the war. This girl did nothing but dance, and was dancing when they found her, for reasons they can't understand, but figure it's a cultural thing. One rude soldier is even told off when he tries to mock her dancing.



* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Norman Bowker after the war]].

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%% * DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler: Norman Bowker after the war]].



* FemalesAreMoreInnocent: Totally [[AvertedTrope averted]]. See HerosMuse.



* GoingNative: Mary Anne.

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* HungryJungle: Mary Anne [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget falls victim]] to it.

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* DudeNotFunny: Azar poking fun at [[spoiler:Kiowa]]'s death, making comments about "eating shit" and the like, although after he sees the horrible state the body is in, he personally apologizes to the rest of the platoon.
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Required high school reading in some places. "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong" was made into a movie, "Film/ASoldiersSweetheart" starring Creator/SkeetUlrich, Creator/GeorginaCates, and Creator/KieferSutherland.

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Required high school reading in some places. "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong" was made into a movie, "Film/ASoldiersSweetheart" "A Soldiers Sweetheart" starring Creator/SkeetUlrich, Creator/GeorginaCates, Skeet Ulrich, Georgina Cates, and Creator/KieferSutherland.
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Required high school reading in some places. "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong" was made into a movie, "Film/ASoldiersSweetheart" starring Creator/SkeetUlrich, Creator/GeorginaCates, and Creator/KieferSutherland.

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* [[KickTheDog Blow Up The Dog]]: Azar, Ted Lavender's puppy. He laughs about it and wonders why the others think it's such a big deal.

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* [[KickTheDog Blow Up The Dog]]: Dog]]:
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Azar, Ted Lavender's puppy. He laughs about it and wonders why the others think it's such a big deal.



* UnreliableNarrator: Midway through the book the narrator admits that the entire section of book detailing [[spoiler: Curt Lemon's death]] was entirely made up. He was never playing catch with Rat Kiley using smoke grenades, he didn't step on a rigged 105 round in the sunlight, and Rat Kiley never reacted that way to his death. The real Curt Lemon was killed by a sniper in a swamp some place. The narrator then notes that just because it's untrue doesn't make it [[ItMeantSomethingToMe any less real]] to the guys who saw it. Which is why it's a love story, not a war story.

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* UnreliableNarrator: UnreliableNarrator:
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Midway through the book the narrator admits that the entire section of book detailing [[spoiler: Curt Lemon's death]] was entirely made up. He was never playing catch with Rat Kiley using smoke grenades, he didn't step on a rigged 105 round in the sunlight, and Rat Kiley never reacted that way to his death. The real Curt Lemon was killed by a sniper in a swamp some place. The narrator then notes that just because it's untrue doesn't make it [[ItMeantSomethingToMe any less real]] to the guys who saw it. Which is why it's a love story, not a war story.

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* BlackComedy: Several instances. Most notably, the Green Berets in "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong" have a collection of human bones in their barracks, with a sign reading "Build your own gook! Free assembly kit". There's also Norman Bowker singing "Lemon Tree" to himself [[spoiler: while cleaning Curt Lemon's guts off of a tree branch]].



* CruelAndUnusualDeath: [[spoiler: Kiowa ends up ''drowning in human shit'' after the platoon takes mortar fire in the shit field]].



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone:
** "The Man I Killed" is all about O'Brien staring down in shock at the corpse of a Viet Cong soldier he killed with a grenade, describing his body in extreme detail as he imagines what the man's life before he died must have been like.
** There's also the young soldier who [[spoiler: turned on his flashlight to show Kiowa a picture of his girlfriend, thus attracting mortar fire and inadvertently getting Kiowa killed]]. In the morning, all he can do is vainly search for the picture of his girlfriend that he lost in the mud while crying.



* ShellShockedVeteran: What [[spoiler: Norman Bowker]] eventually becomes. [[spoiler: He tells O'Brien that he thinks he really died in the shit field.]] Or that could just be [[UnreliableNarrator O'Brien's fabrication]]. It doesn't matter either way.

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* ShellShockedVeteran: What [[spoiler: Norman Bowker]] eventually becomes. [[spoiler: He tells O'Brien that he thinks he really died in the shit field.field, and eventually hangs himself without even leaving a note.]] Or that could just be [[UnreliableNarrator O'Brien's fabrication]]. It doesn't matter either way.


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* SurprisinglySuddenDeath: Ted Lavender, who gets shot in the head by a sniper while taking a piss, and [[spoiler: Curt Lemon]], who steps on a rigged 105 round while the platoon is on break and gets blown into LudicrousGibs.

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