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** [[HeManWomanHater Coach Norton]]'s speech about how women distract you from sports (and encouraging ADateWithRosiePalms) near the start of the movie makes a lot more sense [[spoiler: when it's revealed that he's actually gay]].

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** [[HeManWomanHater Coach Norton]]'s speech about how women distract you from sports (and encouraging ADateWithRosiePalms) encourage {{lust}}) near the start of the movie makes a lot more sense [[spoiler: when it's revealed that he's actually gay]].



* ADateWithRosiePalms: Presented in chart form by Wayne and J.D. when trying to get Darren to hang out with them more.
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%% * AmbiguouslyJewish: Both Darren and Judith (JewishAndNerdy in the first case, MatzoFever in the second).
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** YMMV, since even though it’s handled more lightheartedly than when genders are reversed, Judith is still unequivocally portrayed as a villain.
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* SlapstickKnowsNoGender: Judith gets ShotInTheAss and punched in the mouth.

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* SlapstickKnowsNoGender: {{Slapstick}}: Judith gets ShotInTheAss and punched in the mouth.
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The story involves our two loser heroes, Wayne (Zahn) and J.D. (Black), trying to prevent the impending marriage of their friend Darren (Biggs) and his ControlFreak fiancee Judith (Peet), due to Darren's high school crush [[TheOneThatGotAway Sandy]] (Creator/AmandaDetmer) coming back into town. To this end, they kidnap Judith, fake her death, and try to hook Darren up immediately after giving him the "sad news". But will Darren get over Judith's supposed death before she exposes his friends' plan to get rid of her?

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The story involves our two loser heroes, Wayne (Zahn) and J.D. (Black), trying to prevent the impending marriage of their friend Darren (Biggs) and his ControlFreak fiancee fiancée Judith (Peet), due to Darren's high school crush [[TheOneThatGotAway Sandy]] (Creator/AmandaDetmer) coming back into town. To this end, they kidnap Judith, fake her death, and try to hook Darren up immediately after giving him the "sad news". But will Darren get over Judith's supposed death before she exposes his friends' plan to get rid of her?



%% ** Judith's late-fiancee fit the Hercules mold more strongly, having died in a [[Film/BloodSport kickboxing match]].

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%% ** Judith's late-fiancee late-fiancé fit the Hercules mold more strongly, having died in a [[Film/BloodSport kickboxing match]].



* LysistrataGambit: A variation. When Darren refuses to follow Judith's order to quit the band, she forbids him from having sex with her again, despite the fact their sex life is incredibly one-sided.

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* LysistrataGambit: A variation. When Darren refuses to follow Judith's order to quit the band, she forbids him from having sex with her again, again despite the fact their sex life is incredibly one-sided.

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* AlliterativeTitle: '''S'''aving '''S'''ilverman.



* DamselOutOfDistress: When Wayne and J.D. try to "kidnap" Judith, she promptly kicks their asses with her martial arts skills, and they just barely manage to subdue her by tazing her. And later, she still manages to escape on her own by breaking a vase at J.D.'s head. PlayedWith since she is the villain.

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* DamselOutOfDistress: When Wayne and J.D. try to "kidnap" Judith, she promptly kicks their asses with her martial arts skills, and they just barely manage to subdue her by tazing her. And later, she still manages to escape on her own by breaking a vase at J.D.'s head.head, [[TheVamp seducing Wayne]] and beating up Coach Norton. PlayedWith since she is the villain.



* FetishizedAbuser: Wayne ends up falling for ControlFreak and ManipulativeBitch Judith because, as he says she is "the hardcore bitch that [he] always dreamed of" (which he says while she's strangling him).

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* FetishizedAbuser: FetishizedAbuser:
** Judith is older, taller and smarter than her naive boyfriend Darren and she bullies him into changing all of his personal habits, and makes life hell for his [[ThoseTwoGuys two friends]], as well. Through it all, [[ExtremeDoormat Darren never stops loving Judith]]; after the two buddies [[WhatTheHellHero kidnap her, stash her in a basement, and tell Silverman that she died]], he is inconsolable and builds a shrine to her memory. He only really ends up leaving her because he loved Sandy more.
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Wayne ends up falling for ControlFreak and ManipulativeBitch Judith because, as he says she is "the hardcore bitch that [he] always dreamed of" (which he says while she's strangling him).



* HandSignals: {{Parodied|Trope}} when Wayne and J.D. are preparing to sneak into the Judith's house to kidnap her and Wayne makes a few hand signals that J.D. doesn't understand.
-->'''Wayne:''' Come on man, I'm using SEAL signals.\\
'''J.D.:''' Lay off me, I only know the Ranger signals.
* HaveIMentionedIAmGay: Judith uses her psychological know-how to give J.D. an impromptu therapy where she tries to convince him he's gay. She's actually surprised by how easily it works, implying he actually ''was'' actually gay and didn't know, and starts telling it to everyone. By the end of the film, Coach Norton also suddenly reveals he's gay and [[LastMinuteHookup they get married]].



* LastMinuteHookup: J.D. hooks up with Coach Norton at the end of the movie, immediately after both admit they are gay. They get married in the next scene.



* MarketBasedTitle': The film was titled ''Evil Woman'' outside of America.



* RaceForYourLove: A variation, with Wayne and J.D. convincing Sandy to abandon being a nun and race with them to Darren's wedding so they can stop it.
* RelationshipSabotage: Darren is dating a ''very'' controlling woman named Judith and his friends decide to sabotage their relationship by [[ZanyScheme kidnapping Judith and faking her death]] so that he'll be free to go after his high school crush Sandy instead.



* RaceForYourLove: A variation, with Wayne and J.D. convincing Sandy to abandon being a nun and race with them Darren's wedding so they can stop it.



* ShotInTheAss: Wayne shoots a tranquilizer dart in Judith's butt during one of her escape attempts.



* {{Swirlie}}: J.D. ends up getting one courtesy of Judith when he's fighting her in the bathroom.



* TrailerSpoof: A TV spot for the film used the same typeface as ''Film/{{Hannibal}}'''s ads to spell out "Get rid of the fava beans. Hide the Chianti. He's coming" before cutting to Creator/JackBlack's "Beer bong for the lady?".



* WatchingTheReflectionUndress: After Sandy falls into water, Darren watches her dress in a laundromat dryer door reflection.
* WeddingFinale: The climax and final scene of the film take place in a wedding.

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* WatchingTheReflectionUndress: After Sandy falls into the water, Darren watches her dress in a laundromat dryer door reflection.
* WeddingFinale: The climax and final scene of the film take place in at a wedding.


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* ZipMeUp: Sandy asks Darren to zip up her nun's habit after she's fone changing in the laundromat.

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* InconvenientAttraction: While Wayne loathes Judith, he's also obviously very attracted to her. This eventually ends up evolving into a SlapSlapKiss relationship when she reciprocates the inconvenient attraction.



* InconvenientAttraction: While Wayne loathes Judith, he's also obviously very attracted to her. This eventually ends up evolving into a SlapSlapKiss relationship when she reciprocates the inconvenient attraction.



* TheLostLenore: Judith serves as this to Darren, which makes it far less comfortable when Wayne keeps trying to push him into hooking up with Sandy.
-->'''Darren''': Come on Wayne. When are you gonna forget about the idea that I'll go out with Sandy?\\
'''Wayne''': When you go out with Sandy!


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* TheOneThatGotAway: Judith serves as this to Darren, which makes it far less comfortable when Wayne keeps trying to push him into hooking up with Sandy.
-->'''Darren''': Come on Wayne. When are you gonna forget about the idea that I'll go out with Sandy?\\
'''Wayne''': When you go out with Sandy!

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The story involves our two loser heroes, Wayne (Zahn) and J.D. (Black), trying to prevent the impending marriage of their friend Darren (Biggs) and his ControlFreak fiancee Judith (Peet), due to Darren's high school crush [[TheOneThatGotAway Sandy]] (Amanda Detmer) coming back into town. To this end, they kidnap Judith, fake her death, and try to hook Darren up immediately after giving him the "sad news". But will Darren get over Judith's supposed death before she exposes his friends' plan to get rid of her?

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The story involves our two loser heroes, Wayne (Zahn) and J.D. (Black), trying to prevent the impending marriage of their friend Darren (Biggs) and his ControlFreak fiancee Judith (Peet), due to Darren's high school crush [[TheOneThatGotAway Sandy]] (Amanda Detmer) (Creator/AmandaDetmer) coming back into town. To this end, they kidnap Judith, fake her death, and try to hook Darren up immediately after giving him the "sad news". But will Darren get over Judith's supposed death before she exposes his friends' plan to get rid of her?



%% * AbsoluteCleavage: Judith sports this in a few different outfits.



* AmazonChaser: Wayne is attracted to Judith partly because of her tough, no-nonsense personality and her fighting skills.
-->'''Wayne''': ''[While [[spoiler: he and Judith [[MasochismTango strangle each other]]]]]'' [[spoiler: I'm the strong-willed, assertive man that you need, and you're the hardcore bitch I've always dreamed of!]]



%% -->'''Wayne''': ''(While [[spoiler: he and Judith [[MasochismTango strangle each other]]]])'' [[spoiler: I'm the strong-willed, assertive man that you need, and you're the hardcore bitch I've always dreamed of!]]



%% * BigEater: J.D.

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%% * BigEater: J.D. is constantly eating or talking about eating.



%% * TheCameo: Neil Diamond.

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%% * TheCameo: Neil Diamond.Music/NeilDiamond shows up AsHimself at the end of the movie to help the characters RaceForYourLove. He even sings at the wedding.



* DamselOutOfDistress: When Wayne and J.D. try to "kidnap" Judith, she promptly kicks their asses with her martial arts skills, and they just barely manage to subdue her by tazing her. And later, she still manages to escape on her own by breaking a vase at J.D.'s head. PlayedWith since she is the villain.



-->'''Judith:''' [[LampshadeHanging How is that related?]]
-->'''Wayne:''' *[[{{Beat}} beat]]* We both help people.

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-->'''Judith:''' [[LampshadeHanging How is that related?]]
-->'''Wayne:''' *[[{{Beat}} beat]]*
related?]]\\
'''Wayne:''' ''[{{Beat}} beat]''
We both help people.



* ExtremeDoormat: Darren agrees to take Judith's last name and even gets ass implants at her request.

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* ExtremeDoormat: Darren is very weak-willed and has a very submissive personality, which is why Judith so easily bosses him around. He agrees to take Judith's last name and even gets ass implants at her request.



* FetishizedAbuser: Wayne ends up falling for ControlFreak and ManipulativeBitch Judith because, as he says she is "the hardcore bitch that [he] always dreamed of" (which he says while she's strangling him).



* FriendVersusLover: The entire conflict of the movie is based on ControlFreak Judith not getting along with Wayne and J.D., to the point she "forbids" Darren to see them again and has him quit their band.
* GroinAttack: Judith zaps J.D. in the crotch with a taser (we later see him with a bag of ice on his clothed crotch). Later she also kicks Wayne in the crotch while fighting him.



* [[HenpeckedHusband Henpecked Boyfriend]]: Darren.

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* [[HenpeckedHusband Henpecked Boyfriend]]: Darren.HenpeckedHusband: Darren is a boyfriend version, due to a combination of Judith being a skilled ManipulativeBitch and his own ExtremeDoormat personality.



* InconvenientAttraction: While Wayne loathes Judith, he's also obviously very attracted to her. This eventually ends up evolving into a SlapSlapKiss relationship when she reciprocates the inconvenient attraction.
* LetsWaitAWhile: Played unsympathetically. Judith refuses to have sex with Darren until they're married, but is portrayed as inconsiderate since she keeps him sexually frustrated by changing her clothes in front of him or acting seductively. When she relents that oral sex before marriage is acceptable, she only has ''him'' get her off and doesn't return the favor.



* [[MamaBear Mama Raccoon]]: Wayne, as an [[InformedAttribute Animal Control Specialist]], should know better than to handle a baby animal when its mother might be around.
* [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bitch]]: Judith is the queen of this trope.

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* [[MamaBear Mama Raccoon]]: LousyLoversAreLosers: Despite being gorgeous, Judith is shown to be a selfish lover when she has Darren spend hours pleasuring her via oral sex, to the point that he gets a sore jaw, but is unwilling to do anything for him after, giving him a lame excuse that she has "Sensitive gums". When he suggests she can pleasure him in other ways (obviously implying a handjob) she just dismissively hands him over a porn magazine and some lotion and tells him "Have fun" before she rolls over (implying that he's supposed to masturbate on his own).
* LysistrataGambit: A variation. When Darren refuses to follow Judith's order to quit the band, she forbids him from having sex with her again, despite the fact their sex life is incredibly one-sided.
-->'''Judith''': Okay, fine. No more sex.\\
'''Darren:''' What?\\
'''Judith:''' You're not allowed to go down on me for one month.\\
'''Darren:''' No, Judith, please--\\
'''Judith:''' Don't make me take away your masturbation privileges!
* MamaBear:
Wayne, as an [[InformedAttribute Animal Control Specialist]], should know better than to handle a baby animal when its mother might be around.
* [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bitch]]: ManipulativeBitch: Judith is the queen takes full advantage of this trope.her psychologist skills to manipulate Darren into being a complete HenpeckedHusband in their relationship. She also tries to turn J.D. against Wayne when psychoanalyzing him.



* MsFanservice: [[InnocentFanserviceGirl Sandy]], who shows quite a bit of skin through the course of the movie despite training to become a nun. Judith may also qualify.

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* MsFanservice: [[InnocentFanserviceGirl Sandy]], MsFanservice:
** Sandy,
who shows quite a bit of skin through the course of the movie despite training to become a nun. nun.
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Judith may also qualify.wears a lot of revealing outfits and acts [[TheVamp quite seductively at times]].
* NavelDeepNeckline: When she first meets Wayne and Darren, Judith has a shirt with a large cutout that exposes her cleavage and some stomach. Later at the engagement party she wears a dress with a plunging neckline that reaches her navel.



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Darren and Judith only meet because of Wayne telling Darren that Judith is in to him.

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Darren and Judith only meet because of Wayne telling Darren that Judith is in to into him.



-->'''Mother Superior:''' Damn! Lost another one!
-->'''Nun #1''': [[PrecisionFStrike Son of a bitch.]]

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-->'''Mother Superior:''' Damn! Lost another one!
-->'''Nun
one!\\
'''Nun
#1''': [[PrecisionFStrike Son of a bitch.]]]]
* OneSidedArmWrestling: When Wayne challenges Judith to arm-wrestling she easily defeats him, all while giving him a humiliating DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything speech
-->'''Judith:''' ''[holding him still while arm-wrestling]'' You've got quite a grip. You must be a heavy masturbator. My guess is three times a day? I bet you're a [[SpeedSex premature ejaculator]]. ''[she starts overpowering him]'' You start off with a big bang. Before you know it ''[slams his arm on the table]'' you're limp.



* PoisonousCaptive: Judith.

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* PitbullDatesPuppy: Judith is a controlling bitch while Darren is utterly spineless.
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PoisonousCaptive: Judith.



* ShiksaGoddess: Sandy

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* RaceForYourLove: A variation, with Wayne and J.D. convincing Sandy to abandon being a nun and race with them Darren's wedding so they can stop it.
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ShiksaGoddess: Sandy



* SmugSnake: Judith.

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* %%* SmugSnake: Judith.



* TeethFlying: Wayne and Judith punch each other's teeth out during their fight at the wedding. When she see them smiling at the end of the film, they're both still missing a tooth.



-->'''Wayne:''' Is there anything else you wanna tell me?
-->'''J.D.''': I got three balls.
-->'''Wayne:''' [[NoJustNoReaction Shut up! God!]]
* VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Darren and Sandy.
* WatchingTheReflectionUndress: After falling into water, Silverman watches the girl dress in a laundromat dryer door reflection.

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-->'''Wayne:''' Is there anything else you wanna tell me?
-->'''J.
me?\\
'''J.
D.''': I got three balls.
-->'''Wayne:'''
balls.\\
'''Wayne:'''
[[NoJustNoReaction Shut up! God!]]
* ToplessnessFromTheBack: When Sandy is getting dressed at the laundromat, there is a shot of her bare back, along with some gratuitous {{Sideboob}}.
* VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Darren and Sandy.
Sandy end up getting married at the end.
* WaifFu: Judith is portrayed as being physically strong, easily besting Wayne in an arm-wrestling contest, despite not having much muscle.
* WatchingTheReflectionUndress: After falling Sandy falls into water, Silverman Darren watches the girl her dress in a laundromat dryer door reflection.reflection.
* WeddingFinale: The climax and final scene of the film take place in a wedding.
* WeddingsForEveryone: The film ends with Darren & Sandy, Wayne & Judith, and J.D. & Coach Norton getting married.
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* DistractedByTheSexy: Happens to Wayne, thanks to an overwhelming amount of FoeYay.

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* DistractedByTheSexy: Happens to Wayne, thanks to an overwhelming amount of FoeYay.tension.
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* AbsoluteCleavage: Judith sports this in a few different outfits.
* TheAce: Judith.
* AffablyEvil: Judith, most of the time.
* AllAmazonsWantHercules: Played with -- while neither Sandy nor Judith are overtly amazon-like, Sandy is ''[[WaifFu quite]]'' [[WaifFu strong]], and Judith has an aggressive personality, and the pair [[spoiler: marry Darren and Wayne, respectively]].
-->'''Wayne''': ''(While [[spoiler: he and Judith [[MasochismTango strangle each other]]]])'' [[spoiler: I'm the strong-willed, assertive man that you need, and you're the hardcore bitch I've always dreamed of!]]
** Judith's late-fiancee fit the Hercules mold more strongly, having died g a [[Film/BloodSport kickboxing match]].
* AmbiguouslyJewish: Both Darren and Judith (JewishAndNerdy in the first case, MatzoFever in the second).

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%% * AbsoluteCleavage: Judith sports this in a few different outfits.
%% * TheAce: Judith.
%% * AffablyEvil: Judith, most of the time.
%% * AllAmazonsWantHercules: Played with -- while neither Sandy nor Judith are overtly amazon-like, Sandy is ''[[WaifFu quite]]'' [[WaifFu strong]], and Judith has an aggressive personality, and the pair [[spoiler: marry Darren and Wayne, respectively]].
%% -->'''Wayne''': ''(While [[spoiler: he and Judith [[MasochismTango strangle each other]]]])'' [[spoiler: I'm the strong-willed, assertive man that you need, and you're the hardcore bitch I've always dreamed of!]]
%% ** Judith's late-fiancee fit the Hercules mold more strongly, having died g in a [[Film/BloodSport kickboxing match]].
%% * AmbiguouslyJewish: Both Darren and Judith (JewishAndNerdy in the first case, MatzoFever in the second).



* BigEater: J.D.

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%% * BigEater: J.D.



* TheCameo: Neil Diamond.
* CloudCuckoolander: Coach Norton.

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%% * TheCameo: Neil Diamond.
%% * CloudCuckoolander: Coach Norton.



* FascinatingEyebrow: J.D.

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%% * FascinatingEyebrow: J.D.



* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: Sandy.

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%% * HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: Sandy.
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''Saving Silverman'' is a 2001 BlackComedy film directed by Creator/DennisDugan, starring Creator/JasonBiggs, Creator/SteveZahn, Creator/JackBlack, and Amanda Peet.

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''Saving Silverman'' is a 2001 BlackComedy film directed by Creator/DennisDugan, starring Creator/JasonBiggs, Creator/SteveZahn, Creator/JackBlack, and Amanda Peet.Creator/AmandaPeet.
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* BlatantLies: They tell Coach Norton that they [[IAmAHumanitarian ate Judith. Alive.]]

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* BlatantLies: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Opj1BMMytw They tell Coach Norton Norton]] that they [[IAmAHumanitarian ate Judith. Alive.]]

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* BrickJoke: The quote from J.D. under [[spoiler: SuddenlySexuality]] gets brought back when Wayne, after having some mind-games played on him by Judith, [[spoiler: is seen naked with his back on the floor, butt over his head, and the book on Yoga in his hand]].

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* BrickJoke: BrickJoke:
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The quote from J.D. under [[spoiler: SuddenlySexuality]] Suddenly Sexuality]] gets brought back when Wayne, after having some mind-games played on him by Judith, [[spoiler: is seen naked with his back on the floor, butt over his head, and the book on Yoga in his hand]].



* [[spoiler: SuddenlySexuality]]: J.D, although it's after Judith gives him therapy and helps him realize it. A more [[{{Pun}} straight]] example would be [[spoiler: Coach Norton]].
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* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: Sandy.

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